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| First post | 2025-07-24 16:30 -0400 |
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regional requirements? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-07-24 16:30 -0400
Re: regional requirements? Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> - 2025-07-25 10:37 -0400
Re: regional requirements? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-25 20:15 +0200
Re: regional requirements? Schugo <schugo@schugo.de> - 2025-07-25 20:42 +0200
Re: regional requirements? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-25 22:42 +0200
Re: regional requirements? Schugo <schugo@schugo.de> - 2025-07-26 02:51 +0200
Re: regional requirements? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-26 02:40 +0000
Re: regional requirements? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-07-26 14:25 -0400
Re: regional requirements? Schugo <schugo@schugo.de> - 2025-07-26 20:40 +0200
Re: regional requirements? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-07-26 14:49 -0400
Re: regional requirements? Schugo <schugo@schugo.de> - 2025-07-26 21:30 +0200
Re: regional requirements? Schugo <schugo@schugo.de> - 2025-07-26 18:12 +0200
Re: regional requirements? Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> - 2025-07-25 14:44 -0400
Re: regional requirements? danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2025-07-25 18:52 +0000
Re: regional requirements? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-07-26 14:34 -0400
Re: regional requirements? Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> - 2025-07-27 10:40 -0400
Re: regional requirements? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-26 02:23 +0000
Re: regional requirements? Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> - 2025-07-26 10:11 -0400
Re: regional requirements? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-27 00:20 +0000
Re: regional requirements? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-27 14:32 +0200
Re: regional requirements? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-07-27 11:44 -0400
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-24 16:30 -0400 |
| Subject | regional requirements? |
| Message-ID | <us558kdlgqeinilg6jg0hcdpp6fkoar21g@4ax.com> |
What is the point of some pages imposing regional requirments when by now almost everyone knows they can use a VPN to sidestep the regional requirements?
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| From | Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-25 10:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10604r4$1vi3t$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #14288 |
On 7/24/2025 4:30 PM, micky wrote: > What is the point of some pages imposing regional requirments when by > now almost everyone knows they can use a VPN to sidestep the regional > requirements? Your question should be directed to the membership of the state legislatures that passed the bills that became state law. Oh, and don't forget to also asked those states' governors who signed the bills into law.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-25 20:15 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <r6ucllx1k8.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #14289 |
On 2025-07-25 16:37, Retirednoguilt wrote: > On 7/24/2025 4:30 PM, micky wrote: >> What is the point of some pages imposing regional requirments when by >> now almost everyone knows they can use a VPN to sidestep the regional >> requirements? > > Your question should be directed to the membership of the state > legislatures that passed the bills that became state law. Oh, and don't > forget to also asked those states' governors who signed the bills into law. Why? I know businesses doing geolocation on their site. For instance, kobo. They sell ebooks. I want to see books in English, but they insist in showing Spanish books, per my location. Even if I configure my preferences to English. They will sell me whatever book I ask for, but I have to ask for it, they are not offered to me as "new offerings" or "Top books in UK". -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Schugo <schugo@schugo.de> |
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| Date | 2025-07-25 20:42 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1060j7b$21p6a$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #14290 |
On 25.07.2025 20:15, Carlos E.R. wrote:> On 2025-07-25 16:37, Retirednoguilt wrote: >> On 7/24/2025 4:30 PM, micky wrote: >>> What is the point of some pages imposing regional requirments when by >>> now almost everyone knows they can use a VPN to sidestep the regional >>> requirements? >> >> Your question should be directed to the membership of the state >> legislatures that passed the bills that became state law. Oh, and don't >> forget to also asked those states' governors who signed the bills into law. > > Why? > > I know businesses doing geolocation on their site. For instance, kobo. > They sell ebooks. I want to see books in English, but they insist in > showing Spanish books, per my location. Even if I configure my > preferences to English. > > They will sell me whatever book I ask for, but I have to ask for it, > they are not offered to me as "new offerings" or "Top books in UK". > welcome to 2025!!1 a web full of shit: AI search, AI vibe coders, idiot web developers, AI content, AI summaries, chat with your PDFs... ciao...
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-25 22:42 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sq6dllx291.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #14291 |
On 2025-07-25 20:42, Schugo wrote: > On 25.07.2025 20:15, Carlos E.R. wrote:> On 2025-07-25 16:37, Retirednoguilt > wrote: >>> On 7/24/2025 4:30 PM, micky wrote: >>>> What is the point of some pages imposing regional requirments when by >>>> now almost everyone knows they can use a VPN to sidestep the regional >>>> requirements? >>> >>> Your question should be directed to the membership of the state >>> legislatures that passed the bills that became state law. Oh, and don't >>> forget to also asked those states' governors who signed the bills into law. >> >> Why? >> >> I know businesses doing geolocation on their site. For instance, kobo. >> They sell ebooks. I want to see books in English, but they insist in >> showing Spanish books, per my location. Even if I configure my >> preferences to English. >> >> They will sell me whatever book I ask for, but I have to ask for it, >> they are not offered to me as "new offerings" or "Top books in UK". >> > welcome to 2025!!1 Nope, they have been doing the same for well over a decade. > > a web full of shit: AI search, AI vibe coders, idiot web developers, > AI content, AI summaries, chat with your PDFs... > > ciao... The developers do as ordered. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Schugo <schugo@schugo.de> |
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| Date | 2025-07-26 02:51 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <10618q1$2509t$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #14294 |
On 25.07.2025 22:42, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-07-25 20:42, Schugo wrote: >> On 25.07.2025 20:15, Carlos E.R. wrote:> On 2025-07-25 16:37, Retirednoguilt >> wrote: >>>> On 7/24/2025 4:30 PM, micky wrote: >>>>> What is the point of some pages imposing regional requirments when by >>>>> now almost everyone knows they can use a VPN to sidestep the regional >>>>> requirements? >>>> >>>> Your question should be directed to the membership of the state >>>> legislatures that passed the bills that became state law. Oh, and don't >>>> forget to also asked those states' governors who signed the bills into law. >>> >>> Why? >>> >>> I know businesses doing geolocation on their site. For instance, kobo. >>> They sell ebooks. I want to see books in English, but they insist in >>> showing Spanish books, per my location. Even if I configure my >>> preferences to English. >>> >>> They will sell me whatever book I ask for, but I have to ask for it, >>> they are not offered to me as "new offerings" or "Top books in UK". >>> >> welcome to 2025!!1 > > Nope, they have been doing the same for well over a decade. > >> >> a web full of shit: AI search, AI vibe coders, idiot web developers, >> AI content, AI summaries, chat with your PDFs... >> >> ciao... > > The developers do as ordered. maybe you're right with law requirements, but they are responsible for the shitty front-ends that make you click "I'm a human" and then 8-10s load time (e.g. LinkedIn) and the enshittified "modern", "everything rounded buttons" flat UI designs/icons... ciao...
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-26 02:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1061f6r$18ohf$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #14295 |
On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 02:51:07 +0200, Schugo wrote: > ... they are responsible for the shitty front-ends that make you click > "I'm a human" ... The sudden recent popularity of that kind of thing can be blamed on all the AI crawlers.
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-26 14:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <v97a8k51ej1ag4ugkckth9lju5d983q88o@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #14298 |
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sat, 26 Jul 2025 02:40:28 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 02:51:07 +0200, Schugo wrote: > >> ... they are responsible for the shitty front-ends that make you click >> "I'm a human" ... > >The sudden recent popularity of that kind of thing can be blamed on all >the AI crawlers. Yes, and actually many sites no longer make you click that you're human. They have some method for validating your request and all one has to do is wait 3 or 4 seconds. Doesnt' that replace the "I am human" click. I think it's nice of them to do that.
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| From | Schugo <schugo@schugo.de> |
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| Date | 2025-07-26 20:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <10637fn$2hhho$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #14313 |
On 26.07.2025 20:25, micky wrote: > In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sat, 26 Jul 2025 02:40:28 -0000 (UTC), > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >>On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 02:51:07 +0200, Schugo wrote: >> >>> ... they are responsible for the shitty front-ends that make you click >>> "I'm a human" ... >> >>The sudden recent popularity of that kind of thing can be blamed on all >>the AI crawlers. > > Yes, and actually many sites no longer make you click that you're human. > They have some method for validating your request and all one has to do > is wait 3 or 4 seconds. Doesnt' that replace the "I am human" click. I > think it's nice of them to do that. > If you think so... you are a victim. 20 years ago with 1Mbit conections websites loaded all in 1 sec, without all the bullshit. The younger generations just think it's normal to wait 5s with 1GB Broadband and 20 cores CPUs @ 4GHz with 32GB RAM machines. ciao..
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-26 14:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <eh8a8k5t5rc7p379n8ggrm55h5qrn6s3ev@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #14316 |
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sat, 26 Jul 2025 20:40:47 +0200, Schugo <schugo@schugo.de> wrote: >On 26.07.2025 20:25, micky wrote: >> In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sat, 26 Jul 2025 02:40:28 -0000 (UTC), >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 02:51:07 +0200, Schugo wrote: >>> >>>> ... they are responsible for the shitty front-ends that make you click >>>> "I'm a human" ... >>> >>>The sudden recent popularity of that kind of thing can be blamed on all >>>the AI crawlers. >> >> Yes, and actually many sites no longer make you click that you're human. >> They have some method for validating your request and all one has to do >> is wait 3 or 4 seconds. Doesnt' that replace the "I am human" click. I >> think it's nice of them to do that. >> > >If you think so... you are a victim. ? >20 years ago with 1Mbit conections websites loaded all >in 1 sec, without all the bullshit. I don't think the 3-4 seconds is loading time. I think they are pinging or something to validate. >The younger generations just think it's normal to wait 5s with >1GB Broadband and 20 cores CPUs @ 4GHz with 32GB RAM machines. I'm not in the younger generation. I've had a home computer for 42 years, and this waiting is only on those sites that care if I'm human or not. They have a right to keep out bots. 20 years ago there were no bots. >ciao..
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| From | Schugo <schugo@schugo.de> |
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| Date | 2025-07-26 21:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1063ad9$2i0cn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #14319 |
On 26.07.2025 20:49, micky wrote: > In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sat, 26 Jul 2025 20:40:47 +0200, Schugo > <schugo@schugo.de> wrote: > >>On 26.07.2025 20:25, micky wrote: >>> In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sat, 26 Jul 2025 02:40:28 -0000 (UTC), >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 02:51:07 +0200, Schugo wrote: >>>> >>>>> ... they are responsible for the shitty front-ends that make you click >>>>> "I'm a human" ... >>>> >>>>The sudden recent popularity of that kind of thing can be blamed on all >>>>the AI crawlers. >>> >>> Yes, and actually many sites no longer make you click that you're human. >>> They have some method for validating your request and all one has to do >>> is wait 3 or 4 seconds. Doesnt' that replace the "I am human" click. I >>> think it's nice of them to do that. >>> >> >>If you think so... you are a victim. > ? >>20 years ago with 1Mbit conections websites loaded all >>in 1 sec, without all the bullshit. > > I don't think the 3-4 seconds is loading time. I think they are pinging > or something to validate. > >>The younger generations just think it's normal to wait 5s with >>1GB Broadband and 20 cores CPUs @ 4GHz with 32GB RAM machines. > > I'm not in the younger generation. I've had a home computer for 42 > years, and this waiting is only on those sites that care if I'm human or > not. They have a right to keep out bots. 20 years ago there were no > bots. there were bots, but they respected robots.txt also, there are other ways to block the AI scrapers instead of wasting 5s of my time ciao..
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| From | Schugo <schugo@schugo.de> |
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| Date | 2025-07-26 18:12 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1062uq1$2g36a$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #14294 |
On 25.07.2025 22:42, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-07-25 20:42, Schugo wrote: >> On 25.07.2025 20:15, Carlos E.R. wrote:> On 2025-07-25 16:37, Retirednoguilt >> wrote: >>>> On 7/24/2025 4:30 PM, micky wrote: >>>>> What is the point of some pages imposing regional requirments when by >>>>> now almost everyone knows they can use a VPN to sidestep the regional >>>>> requirements? >>>> >>>> Your question should be directed to the membership of the state >>>> legislatures that passed the bills that became state law. Oh, and don't >>>> forget to also asked those states' governors who signed the bills into law. >>> >>> Why? >>> >>> I know businesses doing geolocation on their site. For instance, kobo. >>> They sell ebooks. I want to see books in English, but they insist in >>> showing Spanish books, per my location. Even if I configure my >>> preferences to English. >>> >>> They will sell me whatever book I ask for, but I have to ask for it, >>> they are not offered to me as "new offerings" or "Top books in UK". >>> >> welcome to 2025!!1 > > Nope, they have been doing the same for well over a decade. > >> >> a web full of shit: AI search, AI vibe coders, idiot web developers, >> AI content, AI summaries, chat with your PDFs... >> >> ciao... > > The developers do as ordered. Another bad exammple for geolocation: more and more websites don't respect my accept-language (en-US) and present me always a German page. That's also bad for foreigners living in Germany or on vacation. That's clearly the developers fault... ciao..
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| From | Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-25 14:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1060jau$21n26$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #14290 |
On 7/25/2025 2:15 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-07-25 16:37, Retirednoguilt wrote: >> On 7/24/2025 4:30 PM, micky wrote: >>> What is the point of some pages imposing regional requirments when by >>> now almost everyone knows they can use a VPN to sidestep the regional >>> requirements? >> >> Your question should be directed to the membership of the state >> legislatures that passed the bills that became state law. Oh, and don't >> forget to also asked those states' governors who signed the bills into law. > > Why? > > I know businesses doing geolocation on their site. For instance, kobo. > They sell ebooks. I want to see books in English, but they insist in > showing Spanish books, per my location. Even if I configure my > preferences to English. > > They will sell me whatever book I ask for, but I have to ask for it, > they are not offered to me as "new offerings" or "Top books in UK". > I think Micky is referring to "adult" web sites that now need to comply with proof of age requirements imposed by new laws enacted in several states that are more worried about younger people accessing those web sites than they are about whether or not those kids get enough nourishing food to eat or appropriate medical care.
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| From | danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-25 18:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1060jpp$as2$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #14292 |
In <1060jau$21n26$1@dont-email.me> Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> writes: [snip] >I think Micky is referring to "adult" web sites that now need to comply >with proof of age requirements imposed by new laws enacted in several >states that are more worried about younger people accessing those web >sites than they are about whether or not those kids get enough >nourishing food to eat or appropriate medical care. It's not just the adult web sites. Plenty of others, especially financial ones concerned about fraud, use geo-location. And note there are _PLENTY_ of other techniques above and beyond just the IP address... -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-26 14:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <4g7a8kh1p0ktasrtadq8iksg7d3r9v5pam@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #14292 |
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Fri, 25 Jul 2025 14:44:40 -0400, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote: >On 7/25/2025 2:15 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-07-25 16:37, Retirednoguilt wrote: >>> On 7/24/2025 4:30 PM, micky wrote: >>>> What is the point of some pages imposing regional requirments when by >>>> now almost everyone knows they can use a VPN to sidestep the regional >>>> requirements? >>> >>> Your question should be directed to the membership of the state >>> legislatures that passed the bills that became state law. Oh, and don't >>> forget to also asked those states' governors who signed the bills into law. >> >> Why? >> >> I know businesses doing geolocation on their site. For instance, kobo. >> They sell ebooks. I want to see books in English, but they insist in >> showing Spanish books, per my location. Even if I configure my >> preferences to English. >> >> They will sell me whatever book I ask for, but I have to ask for it, >> they are not offered to me as "new offerings" or "Top books in UK". >> > >I think Micky is referring to "adult" web sites that now need to comply No I'm not. This started 10 years ago when I was abroad and wanted to watch a movie from my Baltimore library via Kanoply, which is in the US, maybe Baltimore. it's come up since then and the most recent was this week when I want my brother, a radiologist now visiting Peru, to look at my MRIs, on the radiology website in the USA, and I'm anticipating that he might need a VPN to do so. Hence the question, if anyone can do it with a VPH, why do they bother restricting it in the first place? Because it worked before there were VPNs and they can't break the habit? Just to slow people down a little? Some of this has to do with copyrights, I think, but not all. But I've heard about porn sites. If all they have to do is check a box that says they are 18, doesn't evey kid who knows how to read know how to do that? So it seems like no protection at all. >with proof of age requirements imposed by new laws enacted in several >states that are more worried about younger people accessing those web >sites than they are about whether or not those kids get enough >nourishing food to eat or appropriate medical care.
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| From | Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-27 10:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1065dpd$308fo$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #14315 |
On 7/26/2025 2:34 PM, micky wrote: > In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Fri, 25 Jul 2025 14:44:40 -0400, > Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote: > >> On 7/25/2025 2:15 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-07-25 16:37, Retirednoguilt wrote: >>>> On 7/24/2025 4:30 PM, micky wrote: >>>>> What is the point of some pages imposing regional requirments when by >>>>> now almost everyone knows they can use a VPN to sidestep the regional >>>>> requirements? >>>> >>>> Your question should be directed to the membership of the state >>>> legislatures that passed the bills that became state law. Oh, and don't >>>> forget to also asked those states' governors who signed the bills into law. >>> >>> Why? >>> >>> I know businesses doing geolocation on their site. For instance, kobo. >>> They sell ebooks. I want to see books in English, but they insist in >>> showing Spanish books, per my location. Even if I configure my >>> preferences to English. >>> >>> They will sell me whatever book I ask for, but I have to ask for it, >>> they are not offered to me as "new offerings" or "Top books in UK". >>> >> >> I think Micky is referring to "adult" web sites that now need to comply > > No I'm not. This started 10 years ago when I was abroad and wanted to > watch a movie from my Baltimore library via Kanoply, which is in the US, > maybe Baltimore. it's come up since then and the most recent was this > week when I want my brother, a radiologist now visiting Peru, to look at > my MRIs, on the radiology website in the USA, and I'm anticipating that > he might need a VPN to do so. Hence the question, if anyone can do it > with a VPH, why do they bother restricting it in the first place? > Because it worked before there were VPNs and they can't break the habit? > Just to slow people down a little? > > Some of this has to do with copyrights, I think, but not all. > > But I've heard about porn sites. If all they have to do is check a box > that says they are 18, doesn't evey kid who knows how to read know how > to do that? So it seems like no protection at all. > My understanding is that the "adult" web sites in states with proof of age laws for access are required to implement a method to read your IP address. If that address is a US IP address, the simple checkbox thing doesn't meet the requirement of that state law and instead, those sites must require the visitor to provide information such as driver's license #, to gain access. If the visitor's IP address is registered in a country other than the US, the law doesn't pertain. That's why a VPN that can spoof an IP address outside the US can can usually be used to gain access to those sites without soliciting or requiring a more formal proof of age. >> states that are more worried about younger people accessing those web >> sites than they are about whether or not those kids get enough >> nourishing food to eat or appropriate medical care.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-26 02:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1061e69$18ohf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #14289 |
On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 10:37:18 -0400, Retirednoguilt wrote: > On 7/24/2025 4:30 PM, micky wrote: >> >> What is the point of some pages imposing regional requirments when by >> now almost everyone knows they can use a VPN to sidestep the regional >> requirements? > > Your question should be directed to the membership of the state > legislatures that passed the bills that became state law. Oh, and don't > forget to also asked those states' governors who signed the bills into > law. Don’t businesses have a right to deal with whomever they want?
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| From | Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-26 10:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1062nm1$2eg5p$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #14297 |
On 7/25/2025 10:23 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 10:37:18 -0400, Retirednoguilt wrote: > >> On 7/24/2025 4:30 PM, micky wrote: >>> >>> What is the point of some pages imposing regional requirments when by >>> now almost everyone knows they can use a VPN to sidestep the regional >>> requirements? >> >> Your question should be directed to the membership of the state >> legislatures that passed the bills that became state law. Oh, and don't >> forget to also asked those states' governors who signed the bills into >> law. > > Don’t businesses have a right to deal with whomever they want? Not when their preferred business practices violate the law. As of this AM, we still are free to contact our legislative representative(s) and tell them we want them to change the law, to re-locate to a jurisdiction where that law does not apply, or to go to court and claim that the law violates whatever higher jurisdictional law we choose to cite. Good luck!
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-27 00:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1063rbq$2kgsj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #14306 |
On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 10:11:06 -0400, Retirednoguilt wrote: > On 7/25/2025 10:23 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >> On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 10:37:18 -0400, Retirednoguilt wrote: >> >>> On 7/24/2025 4:30 PM, micky wrote: >>>> >>>> What is the point of some pages imposing regional requirments when by >>>> now almost everyone knows they can use a VPN to sidestep the regional >>>> requirements? >>> >>> Your question should be directed to the membership of the state >>> legislatures that passed the bills that became state law. Oh, and >>> don't forget to also asked those states' governors who signed the >>> bills into law. >> >> Don’t businesses have a right to deal with whomever they want? > > Not when their preferred business practices violate the law. Are you allowed to pass laws to force businesses to deal with groups they might not want to?
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-27 14:32 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <qsihllxpbu.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #14297 |
On 2025-07-26 04:23, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 10:37:18 -0400, Retirednoguilt wrote: > >> On 7/24/2025 4:30 PM, micky wrote: >>> >>> What is the point of some pages imposing regional requirments when by >>> now almost everyone knows they can use a VPN to sidestep the regional >>> requirements? >> >> Your question should be directed to the membership of the state >> legislatures that passed the bills that became state law. Oh, and don't >> forget to also asked those states' governors who signed the bills into >> law. > > Don’t businesses have a right to deal with whomever they want? No. Over here they have to tend to anyone that enter the premises. For example, a bar or a restaurant that wants to be able to reject service to someone has to pay a special tax (AFAIR) -- Cheers, Carlos.
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