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  OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Newyana2" <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> - 2023-02-02 08:37 -0500
    Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-02-02 10:40 -0500
      Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2023-02-03 14:42 +0100
        Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-03 15:01 +0100
          Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2023-02-04 15:17 +0100
            Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2023-02-04 15:19 +0100
        Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Newyana2" <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> - 2023-02-03 09:05 -0500
          Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2023-02-03 14:35 +0000
            Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2023-02-03 19:52 +0000
          Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-03 15:38 +0100
            Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Newyana2" <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> - 2023-02-03 13:17 -0500
              Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2023-02-03 19:53 +0000
              Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-03 20:56 +0100
          Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-02-03 11:31 -0500
            Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2023-02-04 23:32 +0100
              Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-02-04 23:20 -0500
          Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2023-02-03 19:35 +0000
      Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2023-02-03 18:51 -0500
    Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2023-02-02 23:45 +0800
      Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2023-02-03 19:55 +0000
        Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2023-02-03 16:27 -0700
        Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2023-02-04 11:21 +0800
          Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-02-04 10:55 +0000
            Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2023-02-04 22:42 +0800
          Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-04 11:51 +0100
            Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2023-02-04 22:40 +0800
              Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-04 18:27 +0100
          Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2023-02-04 07:32 -0700
    Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2023-02-02 09:17 -0800
    Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Newyana2" <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> - 2023-02-02 15:43 -0500
      Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2023-02-03 19:57 +0000
    Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2023-02-03 15:18 +0000
      Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2023-02-03 19:58 +0000
      Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2023-02-03 21:03 -0600
        Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-02-04 01:09 -0500
          Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-02-04 10:58 +0000
            Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2023-02-04 07:36 -0700
              Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Newyana2" <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> - 2023-02-05 08:40 -0500
    Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-02-02 09:49 -0500
      Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Newyana2" <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> - 2023-02-03 22:57 -0500
        Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-02-04 00:58 -0500
    Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-03-20 15:18 +0000
      Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2023-03-20 08:48 -0700
        Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2023-03-20 08:41 -0800
          Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-03-20 17:08 +0000
          Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2023-03-20 10:09 -0700
        Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-03-20 16:49 +0000
          Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2023-03-20 10:18 -0700
            Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-03-20 18:07 +0000
              Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2023-03-20 12:47 -0700
              Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-03-21 02:46 -0400
        Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2023-03-20 13:22 -0400
          Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2023-03-20 10:50 -0700
            Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2023-03-20 19:33 +0000
        Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-20 23:48 +0100
          Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-03-21 13:33 +0000
            Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-21 21:41 +0100
              DO YOU NEED A GENUINE ETHICAL HACKER  FOR CRYPTO WITHDRAWAL ISSUES, ACCESS AND MORE daniel lamack <dlamack9090@gmail.com> - 2023-04-12 05:27 -0700
                DO YOU NEED A GENUINE ETHICAL HACKER FOR CRYPTO WITHDRAWAL ISSUES, ACCESS AND MORE Sharon David <sharondavidfx@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 14:16 -0800
        Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-03-21 08:36 +0100
    Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2026-09-20 17:43 +0100
      Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-21 19:45 +0200
        Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:09 +0100
          Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:15 -0400
      Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-09-22 07:39 +0000
        Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-22 10:28 -0400
          Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 17:33 +0100
            Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 18:23 +0100
              Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 02:07 -0400
                Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 14:12 +0100
                  Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Shadow <Sh@dowbr.invalid> - 2026-09-23 10:30 -0300
                  Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 03:52 -0400
                    Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 18:33 +0100
                      Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 22:41 -0400
                        Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-09-25 07:43 +0000
                          Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2026-09-25 07:32 -0500
                            Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-09-25 13:20 +0000
                              Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2026-09-25 09:49 -0500
                                Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-09-25 21:09 +0000
                                  Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 18:34 +0100
                                  Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-26 22:23 +1000
                                    Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-09-27 07:40 +0000
                              Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:22 +0100
                                Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 11:39 -0400
                                  Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:49 +0100
                          Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-25 11:04 -0400
                            Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-09-25 21:12 +0000
                              Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 11:06 -0400
                                Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-09-28 20:45 +0000
                                  Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 19:20 -0400
                                    Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-09-29 07:48 +0000
                                    Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 10:17 +0000
                                      Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 10:13 -0400
                                        Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 17:57 +0000
                                          Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 14:23 -0400
                                            Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 18:49 +0000
                                              Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 15:17 -0400
                            Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:27 +0100
                              Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 00:40 -0400

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#7518 — OT - Microsoft newsgroups

From	"Newyana2" <Newyana2@invalid.nospam>
Date	2023-02-02 08:37 -0500
Subject	OT - Microsoft newsgroups
Message-ID	<trgeb1$tcg3$1@dont-email.me>

 Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.

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#7519

From	Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date	2023-02-02 10:40 -0500
Message-ID	<trgli5$unic$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#7518

On 2/2/2023 8:37 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>   Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
> 
> 

This is the status of Eternal September.

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cm2v8kkbbds.fsf%40raybanana.net%3E

    "Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2023 11:38:23 +0100

     More than 11 years after Microsoft closed down their news server and the
     microsoft support groups, and in the light of the current influx of spam
     from Google to the microsft.* groups, this hierarchy has now been
     removed from Eternal-September.
    "

*******

AIOE had a RAID failure a week ago (not a "degrade", a complete
and utter "fail").

It will be a number of weeks, to bring it up from scratch.
Reinstall INN. Redo all the peering, and so on.

At the current time, the rental machine in the COLO, answers
a ping on just one address, and that is about the level of
support you get in a COLO. When local DNS is re-added to the machine,
then the multiple machine names will work again.

    Paul

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#7524

From	Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl>
Date	2023-02-03 14:42 +0100
Message-ID	<trj316$1f81o$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#7519

Op 2-2-2023 om 16:40 schreef Paul:
> On 2/2/2023 8:37 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>>   Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>>
>>
> 
> This is the status of Eternal September.
> 
> http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cm2v8kkbbds.fsf%40raybanana.net%3E 
> 
> 
>     "Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2023 11:38:23 +0100
> 
>      More than 11 years after Microsoft closed down their news server 
> and the
>      microsoft support groups, and in the light of the current influx of 
> spam
>      from Google to the microsft.* groups, this hierarchy has now been
>      removed from Eternal-September.
>     "
> 
> *******
> 
> AIOE had a RAID failure a week ago (not a "degrade", a complete
> and utter "fail").
> 
> It will be a number of weeks, to bring it up from scratch.
> Reinstall INN. Redo all the peering, and so on.
> 
> At the current time, the rental machine in the COLO, answers
> a ping on just one address, and that is about the level of
> support you get in a COLO. When local DNS is re-added to the machine,
> then the multiple machine names will work again.
> 
>     Paul


Which is a pity,
especially for  microsoft.public.windowsxp.general ,
which is the busiest English language newsgroup
for Windows XP, as Newyana2 already wrote.

You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
-	paganini.bofh.team
-	freenews.netfront.net

Both are free newsservers.
If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.* 
groups anymore.


Rink

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#7525

From	"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date	2023-02-03 15:01 +0100
Message-ID	<k44icvFiklhU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#7524

On 2023-02-03 14:42, Rink wrote:
> Op 2-2-2023 om 16:40 schreef Paul:
>> On 2/2/2023 8:37 AM, Newyana2 wrote:

...

> Which is a pity,
> especially for  microsoft.public.windowsxp.general ,
> which is the busiest English language newsgroup
> for Windows XP, as Newyana2 already wrote.
> 
> You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
> -    paganini.bofh.team
> -    freenews.netfront.net
> 
> Both are free newsservers.
> If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.* 
> groups anymore.

I have a bunch of microsoft.* groups listed on News.Individual.NET, but 
no idea if they work.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#7550

From	occam <occam@nowhere.nix>
Date	2023-02-04 15:17 +0100
Message-ID	<k477ocF1ciuU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#7525

On 03/02/2023 15:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-02-03 14:42, Rink wrote:
>> Op 2-2-2023 om 16:40 schreef Paul:
>>> On 2/2/2023 8:37 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
>> Which is a pity,
>> especially for  microsoft.public.windowsxp.general ,
>> which is the busiest English language newsgroup
>> for Windows XP, as Newyana2 already wrote.
>>
>> You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
>> -    paganini.bofh.team
>> -    freenews.netfront.net
>>
>> Both are free newsservers.
>> If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
>> groups anymore.
> 
> I have a bunch of microsoft.* groups listed on News.Individual.NET, but
> no idea if they work.
> 

I just tried <microsoft.public.windowsxp.general> on
News.Individual.net. It works, and there are plenty of recent (2023)
posts there.

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#7551

From	occam <occam@nowhere.nix>
Date	2023-02-04 15:19 +0100
Message-ID	<k477riF1ciuU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#7550

On 04/02/2023 15:17, occam wrote:
> On 03/02/2023 15:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-02-03 14:42, Rink wrote:
>>> Op 2-2-2023 om 16:40 schreef Paul:
>>>> On 2/2/2023 8:37 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> Which is a pity,
>>> especially for  microsoft.public.windowsxp.general ,
>>> which is the busiest English language newsgroup
>>> for Windows XP, as Newyana2 already wrote.
>>>
>>> You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
>>> -    paganini.bofh.team
>>> -    freenews.netfront.net
>>>
>>> Both are free newsservers.
>>> If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
>>> groups anymore.
>>
>> I have a bunch of microsoft.* groups listed on News.Individual.NET, but
>> no idea if they work.
>>
> 
> I just tried <microsoft.public.windowsxp.general> on
> News.Individual.net. It works, and there are plenty of recent (2023)
> posts there.

P.S: News.Individual.net is not free, but almost free. (10 eur /per year)

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#7526

From	"Newyana2" <Newyana2@invalid.nospam>
Date	2023-02-03 09:05 -0500
Message-ID	<trj4be$1ffi2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#7524

"Rink" <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote

| You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
| - paganini.bofh.team
| - freenews.netfront.net
|
| Both are free newsservers.
| If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
| groups anymore.
|

  I just tried Netfront. It worked fine, but says I can't post.
What would be the point of a newsgroup where you can't post?!
I tried to visit the domain, netfront.net. It seems to be a
Chinese website.

   Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than
$30 to make a bank transfer, I would never use PayPal, and
I don't trust the security with either. I'm happy paying a few
dollars per year, but I'm not happy giving out payment details
online.

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#7527

From	John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk>
Date	2023-02-03 14:35 +0000
Message-ID	<kZgW42AUuR3jFwa7@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>
In reply to	#7526

In message <trj4be$1ffi2$1@dont-email.me>, Newyana2 
<Newyana2@invalid.nospam> writes
>   Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than $30 
>to make a bank transfer

Good grief! That's daylight robbery.
-- 
John Hall     "Do you have cornflakes in America?"
               "Well, actually, they're American."
       "So what brings you to Britain then if you have cornflakes already?"
                                   Bill Bryson: "Notes from a Small Island"

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#7533

From	ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
Date	2023-02-03 19:52 +0000
Message-ID	<-hadnZ-IktuO-0D-nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to	#7527

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <trj4be$1ffi2$1@dont-email.me>, Newyana2 
> <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> writes
> >   Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than $30 
> >to make a bank transfer

> Good grief! That's daylight robbery.

Same for banks. Dang fees. :(
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#7528

From	"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date	2023-02-03 15:38 +0100
Message-ID	<k44kjnFiklhU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#7526

On 2023-02-03 15:05, Newyana2 wrote:
> "Rink" <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote
> 
> | You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
> | - paganini.bofh.team
> | - freenews.netfront.net
> |
> | Both are free newsservers.
> | If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
> | groups anymore.
> |
> 
>    I just tried Netfront. It worked fine, but says I can't post.
> What would be the point of a newsgroup where you can't post?!
> I tried to visit the domain, netfront.net. It seems to be a
> Chinese website.
> 
>     Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than
> $30 to make a bank transfer, I would never use PayPal, and
> I don't trust the security with either. I'm happy paying a few
> dollars per year, but I'm not happy giving out payment details
> online.

In Spain, and probably in the rest of the EU, making the transfer is 
gratis and safe, if done using the bank web page. If I go to the bank 
office then there is a fee, but not much.

I have been paying them for some years now.

I also have been using Paypal for some years, no issues.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#7531

From	"Newyana2" <Newyana2@invalid.nospam>
Date	2023-02-03 13:17 -0500
Message-ID	<trjj4b$1htsg$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#7528

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

| I also have been using Paypal for some years, no issues.
|
   A few yers ago I was making a side income selling my
shareware. Paypal showed up, which presented an easier
way for people to pay. But they insisted that software
authors open a bank account under their control. There
were horror stories of PP taking out peoples' money and
not returning it. It turned out they were not just a payment
service. They wanted optimum customer satisfaction, but
wanted the merchaants to be responsible. So if someone
bought software and then changed their mind, the author
would lose the payment *plus* the fee. Eventually, selling
software was threatening to cost money rather than gain it.

  So I avoid PP partly out of principle, and partly because
they're just yet another unnecessary middleman sucking
money out of the transaction.

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#7534

From	ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
Date	2023-02-03 19:53 +0000
Message-ID	<-hadnZ6Iktur-0D-nZ2dnZfqnPUAAAAA@earthlink.com>
In reply to	#7531

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

> | I also have been using Paypal for some years, no issues.
> |
>    A few yers ago I was making a side income selling my
> shareware. Paypal showed up, which presented an easier
> way for people to pay. But they insisted that software
> authors open a bank account under their control. There
> were horror stories of PP taking out peoples' money and
> not returning it. It turned out they were not just a payment
> service. They wanted optimum customer satisfaction, but
> wanted the merchaants to be responsible. So if someone
> bought software and then changed their mind, the author
> would lose the payment *plus* the fee. Eventually, selling
> software was threatening to cost money rather than gain it.

>   So I avoid PP partly out of principle, and partly because
> they're just yet another unnecessary middleman sucking
> money out of the transaction. 

And PP wants my banking info. No thanks.
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#7538

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date	2023-02-03 20:56 +0100
Message-ID	<ah50bjxqad.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to	#7531

On 2023-02-03 19:17, Newyana2 wrote:
> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
> 
> | I also have been using Paypal for some years, no issues.
> |
>     A few yers ago I was making a side income selling my
> shareware. Paypal showed up, which presented an easier
> way for people to pay. But they insisted that software
> authors open a bank account under their control. There
> were horror stories of PP taking out peoples' money and
> not returning it. It turned out they were not just a payment
> service. They wanted optimum customer satisfaction, but
> wanted the merchaants to be responsible. So if someone
> bought software and then changed their mind, the author
> would lose the payment *plus* the fee. Eventually, selling
> software was threatening to cost money rather than gain it.
> 
>    So I avoid PP partly out of principle, and partly because
> they're just yet another unnecessary middleman sucking
> money out of the transaction.

Fair enough.

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Cheers, Carlos.

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#7530

From	Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date	2023-02-03 11:31 -0500
Message-ID	<trjct8$1gqvn$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#7526

On 2/3/2023 9:05 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
> "Rink" <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote
> 
> | You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
> | - paganini.bofh.team
> | - freenews.netfront.net
> |
> | Both are free newsservers.
> | If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
> | groups anymore.
> |
> 
>    I just tried Netfront. It worked fine, but says I can't post.
> What would be the point of a newsgroup where you can't post?!
> I tried to visit the domain, netfront.net. It seems to be a
> Chinese website.
> 
>     Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than
> $30 to make a bank transfer, I would never use PayPal, and
> I don't trust the security with either. I'm happy paying a few
> dollars per year, but I'm not happy giving out payment details
> online.

There were some floods a while back. The flood conducted
via netfront.net, resulted in the operator of that server
taking it read-only. That's the "zero labor" way to stop
a flood :-)

The flood conducted via AIOE, resulted in the admin getting
angry and doing some stuff he shouldn't have. One of the
few times I saw Paolo lose his cool.

The little things add up, so "we can't have nice things".

    Paul

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#7557

From	Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl>
Date	2023-02-04 23:32 +0100
Message-ID	<trmmeo$25dl9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#7530

Op 3-2-2023 om 17:31 schreef Paul:
> On 2/3/2023 9:05 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>> "Rink" <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote
>>
>> | You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
>> | - paganini.bofh.team
>> | - freenews.netfront.net
>> |
>> | Both are free newsservers.
>> | If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
>> | groups anymore.
>> |
>>
>>    I just tried Netfront. It worked fine, but says I can't post.
>> What would be the point of a newsgroup where you can't post?!
>> I tried to visit the domain, netfront.net. It seems to be a
>> Chinese website.
>>
>>     Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than
>> $30 to make a bank transfer, I would never use PayPal, and
>> I don't trust the security with either. I'm happy paying a few
>> dollars per year, but I'm not happy giving out payment details
>> online.
> 
> There were some floods a while back. The flood conducted
> via netfront.net, resulted in the operator of that server
> taking it read-only. That's the "zero labor" way to stop
> a flood :-)


I think you mean news.neodome.net  ......


> 
> The flood conducted via AIOE, resulted in the admin getting
> angry and doing some stuff he shouldn't have. One of the
> few times I saw Paolo lose his cool.
> 
> The little things add up, so "we can't have nice things".
> 
>     Paul

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#7558

From	Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date	2023-02-04 23:20 -0500
Message-ID	<trnaq0$2bnm8$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#7557

On 2/4/2023 5:32 PM, Rink wrote:
> Op 3-2-2023 om 17:31 schreef Paul:
>> On 2/3/2023 9:05 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>>> "Rink" <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote
>>>
>>> | You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
>>> | - paganini.bofh.team
>>> | - freenews.netfront.net
>>> |
>>> | Both are free newsservers.
>>> | If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
>>> | groups anymore.
>>> |
>>>
>>>    I just tried Netfront. It worked fine, but says I can't post.
>>> What would be the point of a newsgroup where you can't post?!
>>> I tried to visit the domain, netfront.net. It seems to be a
>>> Chinese website.
>>>
>>>     Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than
>>> $30 to make a bank transfer, I would never use PayPal, and
>>> I don't trust the security with either. I'm happy paying a few
>>> dollars per year, but I'm not happy giving out payment details
>>> online.
>>
>> There were some floods a while back. The flood conducted
>> via netfront.net, resulted in the operator of that server
>> taking it read-only. That's the "zero labor" way to stop
>> a flood :-)
> 
> 
> I think you mean news.neodome.net  ......

It's possible it was attacked too, because it was an open server.
I didn't keep records of this stuff.

    Paul

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#7532

From	Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk>
Date	2023-02-03 19:35 +0000
Message-ID	<MPG.3e47725913fca625989708@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to	#7526

In article <trj4be$1ffi2$1@dont-email.me>, Newyana2@invalid.nospam 
says...
> 
> "Rink" <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote
> 
> | You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
> | - paganini.bofh.team
> | - freenews.netfront.net
> |
> | Both are free newsservers.
> | If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
> | groups anymore.
> |
> 
>   I just tried Netfront. It worked fine, but says I can't post.
> What would be the point of a newsgroup where you can't post?!
> I tried to visit the domain, netfront.net. It seems to be a
> Chinese website.
> 
>    Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than
> $30 to make a bank transfer, I would never use PayPal, and
> I don't trust the security with either. I'm happy paying a few
> dollars per year, but I'm not happy giving out payment details
> online. 

Paganini seems fine posting and receiving

-- 
Jim the Geordie

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#7540

From	Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net>
Date	2023-02-03 18:51 -0500
Message-ID	<trk6l9$1l7ai$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#7519

On 2/2/2023 10:40, Paul wrote:
> On 2/2/2023 8:37 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>
> This is the status of Eternal September.
>
> http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cm2v8kkbbds.fsf%40raybanana.net%3E
>
> "Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2023 11:38:23 +0100
>
> More than 11 years after Microsoft closed down their news server and the
> microsoft support groups, and in the light of the current influx of spam
> from Google to the microsft.* groups, this hierarchy has now been
> removed from Eternal-September.

Block News is a few bucks for a life-time supply of news.  It's far more 
reliable and less glitchy than ES.  Forget about AIOE.  I ditched ES on 
most of my newsgroups, but I see that for some reason, I'm still using 
ES to post on here.  I'll switch that over, eventually.

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#7520

From	"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com>
Date	2023-02-02 23:45 +0800
Message-ID	<trglqi$uo93$1@toylet.eternal-september.org>
In reply to	#7518

On 2/2/2023 9:37 pm, Newyana2 wrote:
>   Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
> 

Per Paul said, Micro$oft has switched to web-based forums.

Microsoft Community
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us

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#7535

From	ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
Date	2023-02-03 19:55 +0000
Message-ID	<-hadnZmIktsF-0D-nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to	#7520

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/2/2023 9:37 pm, Newyana2 wrote:
> >   Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
> > I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
> > XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
> > discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
> > the MS groups have been among the best because they had
> > a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
> > 

> Per Paul said, Micro$oft has switched to web-based forums.

> Microsoft Community
> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us

I still remember when newsgroup users got mad for them wanting to shut 
down their msnews.microsoft.com usenet server. They backed out and 
years(?) later, it was finally shut down. :( I still prefer newsgroups 
over web forums. Yes, I'm an old fart. ;P
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