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Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans

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  Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-30 17:17 -0400
    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-30 19:27 -0400
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-01 01:05 +0000
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-05-01 07:52 -0400
          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 08:56 -0400
            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 14:58 +0000
              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 19:16 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 01:01 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 22:04 -0400
                    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 04:37 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 09:08 -0400
                        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 02:31 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 08:14 -0400
                        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-05-03 19:59 +1000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-02 17:54 -0400
                  Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 04:35 +0000
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-30 21:19 -0400
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-01 12:06 -0400
          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 01:52 -0400
            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-05-02 11:02 +0000
              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 20:51 +0000
            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-02 07:55 -0400
              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 10:50 -0400
              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 20:46 +0000
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-05-01 10:06 +0000
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-01 17:50 -0400
    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 08:22 +0000
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 08:51 -0400
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-01 18:49 -0400
          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 19:22 -0400
          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 00:58 +0000
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-05-01 08:16 -0700
    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-05-01 07:11 -0500
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 09:00 -0400
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-01 18:05 -0400
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 00:51 +0000
          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 21:51 -0400
            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 04:38 +0000
              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 09:11 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-02 12:35 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 23:06 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 19:47 -0400
                    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 02:16 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 07:41 -0400
                        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-04 16:01 -0400
                          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 06:27 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-10 04:33 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-04 02:24 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-04 00:37 -0400
                        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-04 04:47 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 08:57 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-05-04 20:04 +1000
                          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 08:08 -0400
                            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 20:17 +0000
                              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 18:04 -0400
                                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 06:38 +0000
                                  Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-05 08:39 -0400
                            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-04 21:25 +0000
                              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 06:34 +0000
                                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-05-05 20:22 +1000
                        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 08:54 +0000
                        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-05-04 20:08 +1000
                          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-04 13:24 -0400
                      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 08:49 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 07:49 -0400
                        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-04 16:12 -0400
                          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-10 01:03 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-06-10 01:41 -0400
                              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-15 21:05 +0000
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-01 13:46 +0000
    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 22:55 +0000
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 19:46 -0400
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-02 23:53 -0400
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-05-03 13:27 +0000
          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 10:40 -0400
            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 13:33 +0000
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 23:08 +0000

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#19027

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-05-04 08:54 +0000
Message-ID<m7oo9cFdg5qU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#19024
On Sun, 4 May 2025 00:37:35 -0400, Paul wrote:

> Once its looted, the unimaginative parts (no money in 'em),
> can go to hell. We want it all to look like the prosperity in upper New
> York state.

Prosperity in upper New York state? Damn, things must have changed since I 
left many years ago. I was back in 2004 and it certainly hadn't improved 
by then. Like Springsteen said 'the jobs are going boys, and they ain't 
coming back'. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77gKSp8WoRg

He might as well be talking about my hometown.

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#19030

FromDaniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org>
Date2025-05-04 20:08 +1000
Message-ID<vv7eb7$1nucr$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#19024
On 4/05/2025 2:37 pm, Paul wrote:
> On Sat, 5/3/2025 10:24 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 May 2025 19:47:31 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> On 2025-05-03 19:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>> But wasn’t that going against Trump’s declared goal of annexing Canada?
>>>>
>>>> Or did you not agree with that part of the MAGA ideology?
>>>
>>> To be fair, he said that Canada would benefit from being a part of the
>>> United States, and I agree with him on that point.
>>
>>      "We’re taking care of their military," Trump said. "We're taking
>>      care of every aspect of their lives, and we don't need them to
>>      make cars for us. In fact, we don't want them to make cars for us.
>>      We want to make our own cars. We don't need their lumber. We don't
>>      need their energy. We don't need anything from Canada. And I say
>>      the only way this thing really works is for Canada to become a
>>      state."
>>
>> <https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-he-wasnt-trolling-about-acquiring-greenland-canada-51st-state>
>>
> They do need the lumber actually.
> 
> There is an area with fire damage on the west coast,
> and they could use wood for the reconstruction as
> part of fire cleanup.

Hmm! Using WOOD as part of a FIRE Clean-up?? Am I the only one seeing a 
problem there?? ;-P
-- 
Daniel70

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#19041

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-05-04 13:24 -0400
Message-ID<vv87sb$2f6r2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#19030
On Sun, 5/4/2025 6:08 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 4/05/2025 2:37 pm, Paul wrote:
>> On Sat, 5/3/2025 10:24 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Sat, 3 May 2025 19:47:31 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2025-05-03 19:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> But wasn’t that going against Trump’s declared goal of annexing Canada?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or did you not agree with that part of the MAGA ideology?
>>>>
>>>> To be fair, he said that Canada would benefit from being a part of the
>>>> United States, and I agree with him on that point.
>>>
>>>      "We’re taking care of their military," Trump said. "We're taking
>>>      care of every aspect of their lives, and we don't need them to
>>>      make cars for us. In fact, we don't want them to make cars for us.
>>>      We want to make our own cars. We don't need their lumber. We don't
>>>      need their energy. We don't need anything from Canada. And I say
>>>      the only way this thing really works is for Canada to become a
>>>      state."
>>>
>>> <https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-he-wasnt-trolling-about-acquiring-greenland-canada-51st-state>
>>>
>> They do need the lumber actually.
>>
>> There is an area with fire damage on the west coast,
>> and they could use wood for the reconstruction as
>> part of fire cleanup.
> 
> Hmm! Using WOOD as part of a FIRE Clean-up?? Am I the only one seeing a problem there?? ;-P

Dollar for dollar, wood frame construction is one of the cheapest
ways to build domiciles. That is how we can have single family
dwellings and home ownership. Other material choices would price
single family dwellings out of the market.

More robust materials, it's harder to drive fasteners into them.

There are articles available on "disaster proof" homes, but
I expect there will still be practical issues that will make
them too expensive. For some, you would not get approval
from city hall.

For the hilly country where the fire occurred, if you remove
all the vegetation to reduce fire risk, then there will be
landslides from erosion. It's not exactly the easiest place
to live, in the first place.

Our country is getting drier, and there are forest fires all
summer long here. We need to build more water bombers for the
fires. The scale of the problem is different now. When fighting
fire now, we elect to let some of them burn, because... we could
not stop them, even if we wanted to. Too big. Too hot. But if
settlement or cities are involved, they get priority.

Fire is a natural part of forest renewal. Back when the environment
in the forest was a bit cooler, it was a bit damper, and the fires
did not burn into the roots. This allows land to start the regeneration
process in two years. With the drier climate, the tree type is
not really optimal for the temp and climate, and the areas should
be replanted with some other kind of tree. Up to the point, that
the environment is so bad, that no tree will grow. If you allow a
land to erode sufficiently, it will desertify, so a worst case
would be for a large desert to open up.

   Paul


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#19026

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-05-04 08:49 +0000
Message-ID<m7oo0eFdg5qU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#19023
On Sun, 4 May 2025 02:24:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

>     "We’re taking care of their military," Trump said. "We're taking
>     care of every aspect of their lives, and we don't need them to make
>     cars for us. In fact, we don't want them to make cars for us.
>     We want to make our own cars. We don't need their lumber. We don't
>     need their energy. We don't need anything from Canada. And I say the
>     only way this thing really works is for Canada to become a state."

Softwood lumber imports have been a bone of contention way before Trump. 
The last lumber mill here is now a concert venue. The pulp mill is a toxic 
waste site. I guess a lot of trees breathed a sign of relief.

There were a lot of politics involved but part of the reason the Vermont 
Yankee and Maine Yankee nuclear plants were shut down was cheap Quebec 
hydro.

My 1986 Ford F150, the iconic US pickup, was built in Canada so that's 
nothing new either.

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#19033

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2025-05-04 07:49 -0400
Message-ID<6vIRP.3$adP7.2@fx38.iad>
In reply to#19023
On 2025-05-03 22:24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sat, 3 May 2025 19:47:31 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-05-03 19:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>> But wasn’t that going against Trump’s declared goal of annexing Canada?
>>>
>>> Or did you not agree with that part of the MAGA ideology?
>>
>> To be fair, he said that Canada would benefit from being a part of the
>> United States, and I agree with him on that point.
> 
>      "We’re taking care of their military," Trump said. "We're taking
>      care of every aspect of their lives, and we don't need them to
>      make cars for us. In fact, we don't want them to make cars for us.
>      We want to make our own cars. We don't need their lumber. We don't
>      need their energy. We don't need anything from Canada. And I say
>      the only way this thing really works is for Canada to become a
>      state."
> 
> <https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-he-wasnt-trolling-about-acquiring-greenland-canada-51st-state>

And he is correct. He doesn't say anything about using the military to 
take us over there either. He wants the United States to be 
self-sufficient because it is best for the country, and I want the same 
for Canada. If he doesn't want GM cars to be built here, that's fine: it 
might cause Canadian companies to invest in a new company to build cars 
here much like Sweden with Polestar. There are also Japanese cars being 
built here and their production has been unaffected. Even if no Canadian 
company emerges, the result is going to be that American cars will sell 
even more poorly here to the advantage of Japanese ones. It's not like 
American cars have superior reliability or better features than cars by 
Honda or Toyota or even a more interesting price, so why would anyone 
other than the GM/Ford workers and their families care? As for our oil 
and lumber, we have enough of it to be self-sufficient. We sell both at 
a loss to the United States; using it here and paying at least as much 
as it costs to produce it can only benefit us. Besides, other countries 
such as China need both, so why should the United States get to decide 
how much it will pay for a resource that can be sold for a greater price 
elsewhere?

Trump is fixing his country, but he's also forcing us to fix ours.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
KDE & LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#19043

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-05-04 16:12 -0400
Message-ID<vv8ho3$2ob3n$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#19033
On Sun, 5/4/2025 7:49 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

> Trump is fixing his country, but he's also forcing us to fix ours.
> 

Not in evidence. A global recession is easier to predict.

What happens afterwards, is a random number generator.

I would look at the available markets, to predict where
my products would be welcome. Should we join OPEC ?
Should we be part of a cartel ? We might have to think
about topics like that, in order to survive.

The thing is, if you engaged your brain cells, you would
have realized long ago, that "business games EVERYTHING
governments do". "The tariff on China is too high,
I will move my production to Vietnam." Notice how,
given a choice, a businessman will never do what
your silly policy intended. The more complex the
rules of the game, the more the rules get gamed.

That's why companies don't pay any taxes.

The current "plan" is to move electronics production to... Saudi Arabia.
Or at least, that's what a Saudi wealth fund proposes.

   Paul

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#20284

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-06-10 01:03 +0000
Message-ID<102809t$rmtv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#19043
On Sun, 4 May 2025 16:12:50 -0400, Paul wrote:

> The thing is, if you engaged your brain cells, you would
> have realized long ago, that "business games EVERYTHING
> governments do".

What about Government-owned businesses?

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#20290

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-06-10 01:41 -0400
Message-ID<1028gij$12jgu$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#20284
On Mon, 6/9/2025 9:03 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 4 May 2025 16:12:50 -0400, Paul wrote:
> 
>> The thing is, if you engaged your brain cells, you would
>> have realized long ago, that "business games EVERYTHING
>> governments do".
> 
> What about Government-owned businesses?
> 

I could write a book on the topic, and, I have no interest in it :-)

   Paul

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#20381

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-06-15 21:05 +0000
Message-ID<102nciq$14c9g$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#20290
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 01:41:38 -0400, Paul wrote:

> On Mon, 6/9/2025 9:03 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 4 May 2025 16:12:50 -0400, Paul wrote:
>> 
>>> The thing is, if you engaged your brain cells, you would have realized
>>> long ago, that "business games EVERYTHING governments do".
>> 
>> What about Government-owned businesses?
>> 
> I could write a book on the topic, and, I have no interest in it :-)

My point was, no matter how you look at it, that would have to be an 
exception to your claim that “business games EVERYTHING that governments 
do”.

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#18896

FromBorax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com>
Date2025-05-01 13:46 +0000
Message-ID<slrn1016up4.2qk.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh>
In reply to#18888
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
On 2025-05-01, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>>Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively 
>>destroying jobs for human beings.
>>
>><https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
>>
>>In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event, 
>>Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on 
>>the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development 
>>within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent 
>>of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
>>
>>CNBC reports that during a conversation at Meta’s LlamaCon AI developer 
>>event in Silicon Valley Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella revealed that as 
>>much as 30 percent of the company’s code is now written by AI. This 
>>startling revelation highlights the rapid integration of AI in the 
>>software development process.
>
> Thank God for AI!  An improved Farcebook experience is a genuine asset
> and a huge improvement to our lives and to our global competitiveness!
>
> Meanwhile, China applies AI and robotics to increase manufacturing
> efficiencies, out-pacing us *ever more*.
>

Yeah, the West is screwed.  Priorities are all mixed up.

China will build an army and manufacturing capacity, and we'll be
building better web tracking, ad deployment techniques and food delivery
apps.

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#19000

FromChris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Date2025-05-02 22:55 +0000
Message-ID<vv3igs$24n33$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#18855
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively 
> destroying jobs for human beings.

Or the same number of humans are generating more code. 

> <https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
> 
> In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event, 
> Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on 
> the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development 
> within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent 
> of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.

Note the "up to". You've been had by a Breitbart headline. 

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#19002

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2025-05-02 19:46 -0400
Message-ID<DPcRP.27367$0jW7.6115@fx09.iad>
In reply to#19000
On 2025-05-02 18:55, Chris wrote:
> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
>> destroying jobs for human beings.
> 
> Or the same number of humans are generating more code.
> 
>> <https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
>>
>> In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event,
>> Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on
>> the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development
>> within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent
>> of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
> 
> Note the "up to". You've been had by a Breitbart headline.

So, you're suggesting that we shouldn't be concerned because the number 
might be 28 or 27?

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
KDE & LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#19004

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-05-02 23:53 -0400
Message-ID<vv440l$2neep$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#19002
On Fri, 5/2/2025 7:46 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2025-05-02 18:55, Chris wrote:
>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
>>> destroying jobs for human beings.
>>
>> Or the same number of humans are generating more code.
>>
>>> <https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
>>>
>>> In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event,
>>> Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on
>>> the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development
>>> within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent
>>> of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
>>
>> Note the "up to". You've been had by a Breitbart headline.
> 
> So, you're suggesting that we shouldn't be concerned because the number might be 28 or 27?
> 
    “I'd say maybe 20 to 30 percent of the code that is inside of our repos
     today in some of our projects are probably all written by software,” the chief exec said."
                                                               ^^^^^^^^
Apparently, we've all jumped to the wrong conclusions.

That's not a reference to vibe coding. He chose
his words carefully, and we did not notice the word
was not "AI".

Now it does not matter what the percentage is.

We need clarification, on what his repos are full of.

I thought the word Python was a little strange in this diatribe.
Is there a binary code generation step ?

Maybe there is a language lawyer in the audience, who can
circle the squares on this plumb.

   Paul

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#19012

FromChris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Date2025-05-03 13:27 +0000
Message-ID<vv55kk$3kcrb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#19002
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-05-02 18:55, Chris wrote:
>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
>>> destroying jobs for human beings.
>> 
>> Or the same number of humans are generating more code.
>> 
>>> <https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
>>> 
>>> In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event,
>>> Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on
>>> the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development
>>> within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent
>>> of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
>> 
>> Note the "up to". You've been had by a Breitbart headline.
> 
> So, you're suggesting that we shouldn't be concerned because the number 
> might be 28 or 27?

It's a moral panic. Why are you concerned at all? 

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#19014

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2025-05-03 10:40 -0400
Message-ID<NVpRP.53708$0jW7.15183@fx09.iad>
In reply to#19012
On 2025-05-03 09:27, Chris wrote:
> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-05-02 18:55, Chris wrote:
>>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
>>>> destroying jobs for human beings.
>>>
>>> Or the same number of humans are generating more code.
>>>
>>>> <https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
>>>>
>>>> In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event,
>>>> Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on
>>>> the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development
>>>> within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent
>>>> of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
>>>
>>> Note the "up to". You've been had by a Breitbart headline.
>>
>> So, you're suggesting that we shouldn't be concerned because the number
>> might be 28 or 27?
> 
> It's a moral panic. Why are you concerned at all?

Because people shouldn't be losing their jobs so that the people at the 
top can make a larger commission. I'm not an anti-capitalist, but I am 
an anti-dick.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
KDE & LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#19037

FromChris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Date2025-05-04 13:33 +0000
Message-ID<vv7qbf$22td2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#19014
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-05-03 09:27, Chris wrote:
>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-05-02 18:55, Chris wrote:
>>>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
>>>>> destroying jobs for human beings.
>>>> 
>>>> Or the same number of humans are generating more code.
>>>> 
>>>>> <https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
>>>>> 
>>>>> In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event,
>>>>> Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on
>>>>> the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development
>>>>> within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent
>>>>> of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
>>>> 
>>>> Note the "up to". You've been had by a Breitbart headline.
>>> 
>>> So, you're suggesting that we shouldn't be concerned because the number
>>> might be 28 or 27?
>> 
>> It's a moral panic. Why are you concerned at all?
> 
> Because people shouldn't be losing their jobs so that the people at the 
> top can make a larger commission. I'm not an anti-capitalist, but I am 
> an anti-dick.

I don't disagree with you, but that's nothing to do with AI. That's US
corporate greed and has been happening for decades. 

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#19020

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-05-03 23:08 +0000
Message-ID<vv67lq$hbt1$11@dont-email.me>
In reply to#19002
On Fri, 2 May 2025 19:46:43 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> On 2025-05-02 18:55, Chris wrote:
>
>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>
>>> Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
>>> destroying jobs for human beings.
>>
>> Or the same number of humans are generating more code.
>>
>>> <https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
>>>
>>> In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event,
>>> Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed
>>> light on the growing role of artificial intelligence in software
>>> development within their respective companies. Nadella claims that
>>> up to 30 percent of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
>>
>> Note the "up to". You've been had by a Breitbart headline.
>
> So, you're suggesting that we shouldn't be concerned because the
> number might be 28 or 27?

“Even if he’s lying, it’s still at least 15%”.

Or maybe only 10%. Or 3%.

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