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  Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-30 17:17 -0400
    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-30 19:27 -0400
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-01 01:05 +0000
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-05-01 07:52 -0400
          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 08:56 -0400
            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 14:58 +0000
              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 19:16 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 01:01 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 22:04 -0400
                    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 04:37 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 09:08 -0400
                        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 02:31 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 08:14 -0400
                        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-05-03 19:59 +1000
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-02 17:54 -0400
                  Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 04:35 +0000
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-30 21:19 -0400
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-01 12:06 -0400
          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 01:52 -0400
            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-05-02 11:02 +0000
              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 20:51 +0000
            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-02 07:55 -0400
              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 10:50 -0400
              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 20:46 +0000
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-05-01 10:06 +0000
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-01 17:50 -0400
    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 08:22 +0000
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 08:51 -0400
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-01 18:49 -0400
          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 19:22 -0400
          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 00:58 +0000
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-05-01 08:16 -0700
    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-05-01 07:11 -0500
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 09:00 -0400
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-01 18:05 -0400
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 00:51 +0000
          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-01 21:51 -0400
            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 04:38 +0000
              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 09:11 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-02 12:35 -0400
                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 23:06 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 19:47 -0400
                    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 02:16 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 07:41 -0400
                        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-04 16:01 -0400
                          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 06:27 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-10 04:33 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-04 02:24 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-04 00:37 -0400
                        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-04 04:47 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 08:57 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-05-04 20:04 +1000
                          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 08:08 -0400
                            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 20:17 +0000
                              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 18:04 -0400
                                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 06:38 +0000
                                  Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-05 08:39 -0400
                            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-04 21:25 +0000
                              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 06:34 +0000
                                Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-05-05 20:22 +1000
                        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 08:54 +0000
                        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-05-04 20:08 +1000
                          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-04 13:24 -0400
                      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 08:49 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-04 07:49 -0400
                        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-04 16:12 -0400
                          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-10 01:03 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-06-10 01:41 -0400
                              Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-15 21:05 +0000
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-01 13:46 +0000
    Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 22:55 +0000
      Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-02 19:46 -0400
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-02 23:53 -0400
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-05-03 13:27 +0000
          Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-05-03 10:40 -0400
            Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 13:33 +0000
        Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 23:08 +0000

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#18855 — Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans

Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively 
destroying jobs for human beings.

<https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>

In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event, 
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on 
the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development 
within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent 
of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.

CNBC reports that during a conversation at Meta’s LlamaCon AI developer 
event in Silicon Valley Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella revealed that as 
much as 30 percent of the company’s code is now written by AI. This 
startling revelation highlights the rapid integration of AI in the 
software development process.

Nadella emphasized that the percentage of AI-generated code within 
Microsoft’s repositories is steadily increasing. When asked about the 
extent of AI’s involvement in Meta’s code generation, CEO Mark 
Zuckerberg, while unable to provide an exact figure, shared that the 
company is developing an AI model capable of building future versions of 
their Llama family of AI models.

“Our bet is sort of that in the next year probably … maybe half the 
development is going to be done by AI, as opposed to people, and then 
that will just kind of increase from there,” Zuckerberg said.

The statements from Nadella and Zuckerberg underscore the significant 
shift occurring in the software development landscape. With Microsoft 
and Meta employing tens of thousands of software developers, the impact 
of AI on the industry is becoming increasingly apparent. The launch of 
OpenAI’s ChatGPT in late 2022 has accelerated the adoption of AI for 
various tasks, ranging from customer service to sales pitches and 
software development itself.

Microsoft and Meta are not alone in this trend. Google CEO Sundar Pichai 
previously stated that more than 25 percent of new code at Google was 
written by AI. Similarly, Shopify CEO Tobi Lutke recently instructed 
employees to prove that AI cannot perform a job before requesting 
additional headcount. Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn also announced plans to 
gradually replace human contractors with AI.


-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
KDE & LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#18856

On 04/30/2025 5:17 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively 
> destroying jobs for human beings.
> 
> <https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella- 
> reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
> 
> In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event, 
> Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on 
> the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development 
> within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent 
> of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
> 
> CNBC reports that during a conversation at Meta’s LlamaCon AI developer 
> event in Silicon Valley Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella revealed that as 
> much as 30 percent of the company’s code is now written by AI. This 
> startling revelation highlights the rapid integration of AI in the 
> software development process.
> 
> Nadella emphasized that the percentage of AI-generated code within 
> Microsoft’s repositories is steadily increasing. When asked about the 
> extent of AI’s involvement in Meta’s code generation, CEO Mark 
> Zuckerberg, while unable to provide an exact figure, shared that the 
> company is developing an AI model capable of building future versions of 
> their Llama family of AI models.
> 
> “Our bet is sort of that in the next year probably … maybe half the 
> development is going to be done by AI, as opposed to people, and then 
> that will just kind of increase from there,” Zuckerberg said.
> 
> The statements from Nadella and Zuckerberg underscore the significant 
> shift occurring in the software development landscape. With Microsoft 
> and Meta employing tens of thousands of software developers, the impact 
> of AI on the industry is becoming increasingly apparent. The launch of 
> OpenAI’s ChatGPT in late 2022 has accelerated the adoption of AI for 
> various tasks, ranging from customer service to sales pitches and 
> software development itself.
> 
> Microsoft and Meta are not alone in this trend. Google CEO Sundar Pichai 
> previously stated that more than 25 percent of new code at Google was 
> written by AI. Similarly, Shopify CEO Tobi Lutke recently instructed 
> employees to prove that AI cannot perform a job before requesting 
> additional headcount. Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn also announced plans to 
> gradually replace human contractors with AI.
> 
> 
That has been obvious since the DOS days

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#18859

On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 19:27:20 -0400, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote
in <vuubkp$1ahuo$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 04/30/2025 5:17 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
>> destroying jobs for human beings.
>> 
>> <https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-
>> reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
>> 
>> In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event,
>> Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on
>> the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development
>> within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent
>> of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
>> 
>> CNBC reports that during a conversation at Meta’s LlamaCon AI developer
>> event in Silicon Valley Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella revealed that as
>> much as 30 percent of the company’s code is now written by AI. This
>> startling revelation highlights the rapid integration of AI in the
>> software development process.
>> 
>> Nadella emphasized that the percentage of AI-generated code within
>> Microsoft’s repositories is steadily increasing. When asked about the
>> extent of AI’s involvement in Meta’s code generation, CEO Mark
>> Zuckerberg, while unable to provide an exact figure, shared that the
>> company is developing an AI model capable of building future versions
>> of their Llama family of AI models.
>> 
>> “Our bet is sort of that in the next year probably … maybe half the
>> development is going to be done by AI, as opposed to people, and then
>> that will just kind of increase from there,” Zuckerberg said.
>> 
>> The statements from Nadella and Zuckerberg underscore the significant
>> shift occurring in the software development landscape. With Microsoft
>> and Meta employing tens of thousands of software developers, the impact
>> of AI on the industry is becoming increasingly apparent. The launch of
>> OpenAI’s ChatGPT in late 2022 has accelerated the adoption of AI for
>> various tasks, ranging from customer service to sales pitches and
>> software development itself.
>> 
>> Microsoft and Meta are not alone in this trend. Google CEO Sundar
>> Pichai previously stated that more than 25 percent of new code at
>> Google was written by AI. Similarly, Shopify CEO Tobi Lutke recently
>> instructed employees to prove that AI cannot perform a job before
>> requesting additional headcount. Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn also
>> announced plans to gradually replace human contractors with AI.
>> 
>> 
> That has been obvious since the DOS days

But the hell of it is:  with _competent_ humans reviewing
the AI code, it should save work.

See my report to comp.ai.shells where I gave ChatGPT the output of
"ifconfig -a", and had it spit back a netplan yaml file, then walk
me through editing into the file some policy routing rules...and other
strange and wonderful tasks.

-- 
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   OS: Linux 6.14.4 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
   "Don't confuse me with facts, my mind's already made up!"

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#18887

On 4/30/25 09:05 PM, vallor wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 19:27:20 -0400, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote
> in <vuubkp$1ahuo$1@dont-email.me>:
> 
>> On 04/30/2025 5:17 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>> Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
>>> destroying jobs for human beings.
>>>
>>> <https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-
>>> reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
>>>
>>> In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event,
>>> Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on
>>> the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development
>>> within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent
>>> of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
>>>
>>> CNBC reports that during a conversation at Meta’s LlamaCon AI developer
>>> event in Silicon Valley Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella revealed that as
>>> much as 30 percent of the company’s code is now written by AI. This
>>> startling revelation highlights the rapid integration of AI in the
>>> software development process.
>>>
>>> Nadella emphasized that the percentage of AI-generated code within
>>> Microsoft’s repositories is steadily increasing. When asked about the
>>> extent of AI’s involvement in Meta’s code generation, CEO Mark
>>> Zuckerberg, while unable to provide an exact figure, shared that the
>>> company is developing an AI model capable of building future versions
>>> of their Llama family of AI models.
>>>
>>> “Our bet is sort of that in the next year probably … maybe half the
>>> development is going to be done by AI, as opposed to people, and then
>>> that will just kind of increase from there,” Zuckerberg said.
>>>
>>> The statements from Nadella and Zuckerberg underscore the significant
>>> shift occurring in the software development landscape. With Microsoft
>>> and Meta employing tens of thousands of software developers, the impact
>>> of AI on the industry is becoming increasingly apparent. The launch of
>>> OpenAI’s ChatGPT in late 2022 has accelerated the adoption of AI for
>>> various tasks, ranging from customer service to sales pitches and
>>> software development itself.
>>>
>>> Microsoft and Meta are not alone in this trend. Google CEO Sundar
>>> Pichai previously stated that more than 25 percent of new code at
>>> Google was written by AI. Similarly, Shopify CEO Tobi Lutke recently
>>> instructed employees to prove that AI cannot perform a job before
>>> requesting additional headcount. Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn also
>>> announced plans to gradually replace human contractors with AI.
>>>
>>>
>> That has been obvious since the DOS days
> 
> But the hell of it is:  with _competent_ humans reviewing
> the AI code, it should save work.
> 
> See my report to comp.ai.shells where I gave ChatGPT the output of
> "ifconfig -a", and had it spit back a netplan yaml file, then walk
> me through editing into the file some policy routing rules...and other
> strange and wonderful tasks.
> 
Granted I don't have CoPilot write an operating system, but I have had a few code snippets 
written for my own purposes.   And I do like how it explains what it does, and I can ask 
for slight changes, even a different approach if I find it doesn't work in my case.

-- 
Linux Mint 22.1, Cinnamon 6.4.8,  Kernel 6.8.0-58-generic
Thunderbird 128.10.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 138.0
     Alan K.

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#18891

On 2025-05-01 07:52, Alan K. wrote:
> On 4/30/25 09:05 PM, vallor wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 19:27:20 -0400, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> 
>> wrote
>> in <vuubkp$1ahuo$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 04/30/2025 5:17 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>> Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
>>>> destroying jobs for human beings.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-
>>>> reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
>>>>
>>>> In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event,
>>>> Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on
>>>> the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development
>>>> within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent
>>>> of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
>>>>
>>>> CNBC reports that during a conversation at Meta’s LlamaCon AI developer
>>>> event in Silicon Valley Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella revealed that as
>>>> much as 30 percent of the company’s code is now written by AI. This
>>>> startling revelation highlights the rapid integration of AI in the
>>>> software development process.
>>>>
>>>> Nadella emphasized that the percentage of AI-generated code within
>>>> Microsoft’s repositories is steadily increasing. When asked about the
>>>> extent of AI’s involvement in Meta’s code generation, CEO Mark
>>>> Zuckerberg, while unable to provide an exact figure, shared that the
>>>> company is developing an AI model capable of building future versions
>>>> of their Llama family of AI models.
>>>>
>>>> “Our bet is sort of that in the next year probably … maybe half the
>>>> development is going to be done by AI, as opposed to people, and then
>>>> that will just kind of increase from there,” Zuckerberg said.
>>>>
>>>> The statements from Nadella and Zuckerberg underscore the significant
>>>> shift occurring in the software development landscape. With Microsoft
>>>> and Meta employing tens of thousands of software developers, the impact
>>>> of AI on the industry is becoming increasingly apparent. The launch of
>>>> OpenAI’s ChatGPT in late 2022 has accelerated the adoption of AI for
>>>> various tasks, ranging from customer service to sales pitches and
>>>> software development itself.
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft and Meta are not alone in this trend. Google CEO Sundar
>>>> Pichai previously stated that more than 25 percent of new code at
>>>> Google was written by AI. Similarly, Shopify CEO Tobi Lutke recently
>>>> instructed employees to prove that AI cannot perform a job before
>>>> requesting additional headcount. Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn also
>>>> announced plans to gradually replace human contractors with AI.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That has been obvious since the DOS days
>>
>> But the hell of it is:  with _competent_ humans reviewing
>> the AI code, it should save work.
>>
>> See my report to comp.ai.shells where I gave ChatGPT the output of
>> "ifconfig -a", and had it spit back a netplan yaml file, then walk
>> me through editing into the file some policy routing rules...and other
>> strange and wonderful tasks.
>>
> Granted I don't have CoPilot write an operating system, but I have had a 
> few code snippets written for my own purposes.   And I do like how it 
> explains what it does, and I can ask for slight changes, even a 
> different approach if I find it doesn't work in my case.

The fact that AI can produce code can be useful for people learning how 
to program, but you want that human touch either way. I would bet that 
AI is not as concerned as humans are in the quality of the code.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
KDE & LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#18897

On Thu, 1 May 2025 08:56:39 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> The fact that AI can produce code can be useful for people learning how
> to program, but you want that human touch either way. I would bet that
> AI is not as concerned as humans are in the quality of the code.

That's becoming a cliche on the Arduino subreddit. A newbie will wander in 
with a pile of crap generated by ChatGPT and want help figuring out why it 
doesn't work. 

https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/30/openai_pulls_plug_on_chatgpt

So much for the kinder, gentler AI. 

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#18922

On 2025-05-01 10:58, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 1 May 2025 08:56:39 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> The fact that AI can produce code can be useful for people learning how
>> to program, but you want that human touch either way. I would bet that
>> AI is not as concerned as humans are in the quality of the code.
> 
> That's becoming a cliche on the Arduino subreddit. A newbie will wander in
> with a pile of crap generated by ChatGPT and want help figuring out why it
> doesn't work.
> 
> https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/30/openai_pulls_plug_on_chatgpt
> 
> So much for the kinder, gentler AI.

I'm not even sure why we've all been pushing for AI anyway. The Matrix 
pretty much made it clear how we fare in the eventual war against the 
machines we created.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
KDE & LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#18928

On Thu, 1 May 2025 19:16:55 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> The Matrix pretty much made it clear how we fare in the eventual war
> against the machines we created.

I never understood the fundamental premise of that movie: if everything is 
a fantasy, why wouldn’t every inhabitant of the Matrix effectively be like 
a god?

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#18931

On 2025-05-01 21:01, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 1 May 2025 19:16:55 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> The Matrix pretty much made it clear how we fare in the eventual war
>> against the machines we created.
> 
> I never understood the fundamental premise of that movie: if everything is
> a fantasy, why wouldn’t every inhabitant of the Matrix effectively be like
> a god?

Watching the Animatrix is always a good idea to get more detail. The 
Matrix was designed to be as realistic as possible. At first, the world 
was designed to make all of its inhabitants happy, but the machines 
quickly figured out that trying to appease humans was a futile effort 
because it ended in disaster every time. After a few failures, they 
chose what they considered to be a peak in human evolution, the 1990s, 
and made sure that there realistic limits to what the humans could do. 
For instance, you cannot possibly run faster than x, you also couldn't 
ever be more muscular than y. To break through those limits, you would 
have to be special (anomalies or bugs in the system), and agents were 
deployed to squash you back into the walled garden. However, if the 
people who successfully exited got to you first, you'd be given the 
choice to return to the only reality you've known or live in the real 
world, which is clearly much worse than what you've known. However, the 
latter choice would also give you the benefit of being able to 
superpower your avatar should you choose to return into the system. Of 
course, doing so makes you an agent's enemy.

It truly is quite a brilliant story. Theoretically, parts 2 and 3 are 
quite smart too. It's too bad they became so convoluted. The Matrix 
Resurrections, however, is awful and ruins everything.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
KDE & LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#18935

On Thu, 1 May 2025 22:04:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> For instance, you cannot possibly run faster than x, you also couldn't
> ever be more muscular than y. To break through those limits, you would
> have to be special (anomalies or bugs in the system), and agents were
> deployed to squash you back into the walled garden.

I don’t understand why. Why should there be any “failures”, when all 
actions are effectively consequence-free?

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#18966

On 2025-05-02 00:37, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 1 May 2025 22:04:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> For instance, you cannot possibly run faster than x, you also couldn't
>> ever be more muscular than y. To break through those limits, you would
>> have to be special (anomalies or bugs in the system), and agents were
>> deployed to squash you back into the walled garden.
> 
> I don’t understand why. Why should there be any “failures”, when all
> actions are effectively consequence-free?

Because the machine's systems always followed logic. For example, humans 
wanted every day to be filled with sunshine and good weather, but such a 
thing would lead to crop failure. A lot of the problems were also caused 
by human emotion, something the machine simply couldn't comprehend. It 
became easier for them to simply base society on an existing model and 
fill the world with the obstacles humans would readily face. Like in 
anything, there were going to be bugs, but they could be squashed.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
KDE & LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#19003

On Fri, 2 May 2025 09:08:15 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> On 2025-05-02 00:37, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 1 May 2025 22:04:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> 
>>> For instance, you cannot possibly run faster than x, you also couldn't
>>> ever be more muscular than y. To break through those limits, you would
>>> have to be special (anomalies or bugs in the system), and agents were
>>> deployed to squash you back into the walled garden.
>> 
>> I don’t understand why. Why should there be any “failures”, when all
>> actions are effectively consequence-free?
> 
> Because the machine's systems always followed logic.

Why did they have to? Put that under the control of the human inhabitants 
as well.

> For example, humans wanted every day to be filled with sunshine and good
> weather, but such a thing would lead to crop failure.

“Let there be successful crops!” *Snaps fingers* Problem solved.

> A lot of the problems were also caused by human emotion, something the
> machine simply couldn't comprehend.

Let the humans themselves sort it out. That’s how it works in human 
society.

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#19011

On 2025-05-02 22:31, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 2 May 2025 09:08:15 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-05-02 00:37, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 1 May 2025 22:04:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> For instance, you cannot possibly run faster than x, you also couldn't
>>>> ever be more muscular than y. To break through those limits, you would
>>>> have to be special (anomalies or bugs in the system), and agents were
>>>> deployed to squash you back into the walled garden.
>>>
>>> I don’t understand why. Why should there be any “failures”, when all
>>> actions are effectively consequence-free?
>>
>> Because the machine's systems always followed logic.
> 
> Why did they have to? Put that under the control of the human inhabitants
> as well.

The humans in the Matrix don't know that they're in the Matrix.

>> For example, humans wanted every day to be filled with sunshine and good
>> weather, but such a thing would lead to crop failure.
> 
> “Let there be successful crops!” *Snaps fingers* Problem solved.

Except that it wouldn't follow logic. I'm basing myself on what Agent 
Smith (a program) said to Morpheus while he was torturing him. It's very 
difficult for the machines not to follow a logical path.

>> A lot of the problems were also caused by human emotion, something the
>> machine simply couldn't comprehend.
> 
> Let the humans themselves sort it out. That’s how it works in human
> society.

Except that the machines needed to retain control of the world itself.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
KDE & LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#19010

On 2/05/2025 11:08 pm, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2025-05-02 00:37, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 May 2025 22:04:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> For instance, you cannot possibly run faster than x, you also couldn't
>>> ever be more muscular than y. To break through those limits, you would
>>> have to be special (anomalies or bugs in the system), and agents were
>>> deployed to squash you back into the walled garden.
>>
>> I don’t understand why. Why should there be any “failures”, when all
>> actions are effectively consequence-free?
> 
> Because the machine's systems always followed logic. For example, humans 
> wanted every day to be filled with sunshine and good weather, but such a 
> thing would lead to crop failure.

In the musical 'Camelot' was it only allowed to rain at night?? ;-P
-- 
Daniel70

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#18998

On Thu, 5/1/2025 7:16 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2025-05-01 10:58, rbowman wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 May 2025 08:56:39 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> The fact that AI can produce code can be useful for people learning how
>>> to program, but you want that human touch either way. I would bet that
>>> AI is not as concerned as humans are in the quality of the code.
>>
>> That's becoming a cliche on the Arduino subreddit. A newbie will wander in
>> with a pile of crap generated by ChatGPT and want help figuring out why it
>> doesn't work.
>>
>> https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/30/openai_pulls_plug_on_chatgpt
>>
>> So much for the kinder, gentler AI.
> 
> I'm not even sure why we've all been pushing for AI anyway. 
> The Matrix pretty much made it clear how we fare in the 
> eventual war against the machines we created.
> 

The current machines, are not the machines you have to fear.

In one recent test, one robot was used to trick three
other robots, to leave their guard post and go with it.
The robots are worse than small children, at being
manipulated. If offered candy, they will get in the
back seat of a strangers car. (Hint: They're not that
clever. They're as dumb as rocks.)

What you really have to fear, is when AGI shows up.
It's not here yet. AGI is like Fusion, as a topic.
Everyone knows Fusion is right around the corner.

I'm not saying this, because I don't have concerns. It's
just that the appearances currently, do not impress.
I'm sure the Codex machine is mighty impressive.
But, does it think ? Or is it basically just like
all the other LLM at some things. Dumb as a rock.

   Paul

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#19005

On Fri, 2 May 2025 17:54:04 -0400, Paul wrote:

> What you really have to fear, is when AGI shows up.
> It's not here yet. AGI is like Fusion, as a topic. Everyone knows Fusion
> is right around the corner.

Hybris is a bitch. 

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#18860

On 2025-04-30 19:27, knuttle wrote:
> On 04/30/2025 5:17 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively 
>> destroying jobs for human beings.
>>
>> <https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya- 
>> nadella- reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
>>
>> In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event, 
>> Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on 
>> the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development 
>> within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 
>> percent of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
>>
>> CNBC reports that during a conversation at Meta’s LlamaCon AI 
>> developer event in Silicon Valley Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella revealed 
>> that as much as 30 percent of the company’s code is now written by AI. 
>> This startling revelation highlights the rapid integration of AI in 
>> the software development process.
>>
>> Nadella emphasized that the percentage of AI-generated code within 
>> Microsoft’s repositories is steadily increasing. When asked about the 
>> extent of AI’s involvement in Meta’s code generation, CEO Mark 
>> Zuckerberg, while unable to provide an exact figure, shared that the 
>> company is developing an AI model capable of building future versions 
>> of their Llama family of AI models.
>>
>> “Our bet is sort of that in the next year probably … maybe half the 
>> development is going to be done by AI, as opposed to people, and then 
>> that will just kind of increase from there,” Zuckerberg said.
>>
>> The statements from Nadella and Zuckerberg underscore the significant 
>> shift occurring in the software development landscape. With Microsoft 
>> and Meta employing tens of thousands of software developers, the 
>> impact of AI on the industry is becoming increasingly apparent. The 
>> launch of OpenAI’s ChatGPT in late 2022 has accelerated the adoption 
>> of AI for various tasks, ranging from customer service to sales 
>> pitches and software development itself.
>>
>> Microsoft and Meta are not alone in this trend. Google CEO Sundar 
>> Pichai previously stated that more than 25 percent of new code at 
>> Google was written by AI. Similarly, Shopify CEO Tobi Lutke recently 
>> instructed employees to prove that AI cannot perform a job before 
>> requesting additional headcount. Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn also 
>> announced plans to gradually replace human contractors with AI.
>>
>>
> That has been obvious since the DOS days

I don't believe they had the processing power for an AI to produce code 
for them. However, if you have any evidence, I'd love to see it.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
KDE & LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#18902

On Wed, 4/30/2025 9:19 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2025-04-30 19:27, knuttle wrote:

>> That has been obvious since the DOS days
> 
> I don't believe they had the processing power for an AI 
> to produce code for them. However, if you have any evidence,
> I'd love to see it.

https://www.wired.com/story/minecraft-ai-code-microsoft/

   "Microsoft’s Copilot was made available to a limited number of testers
    in June 2021 and is now being used by over 10,000 developers who are
    producing, on average, around 35 percent of their code in popular
    languages like Python and Java using Copilot, Microsoft says. The
    company plans to make Copilot available for anyone to download this summer.
    To build something like the Minecraft bot, developers would need to work
    with the underlying AI model, Codex.

    Both Codex and Copilot have stirred up some anxiety among developers,
    who fear they could be automated out of a job. The Minecraft demo
    could inspire similar concerns. But Scott says the feedback on Copilot
    has been largely positive, suggesting that it simply automates more
    tedious coding tasks. “If you talk to a developer who actually uses a
    Copilot, they'll say ‘this is such a great tool,’” he says.

I guess we'll know, when the first wave of layoffs start :-)

But when your rich uncle pays for all the electricity,
the balance sheet for this approach does not matter.
I drive a Cadillac to the dump... "because the roads are
so bad there".

   Paul

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#18939

Paul wrote:
> On Wed, 4/30/2025 9:19 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> On 2025-04-30 19:27, knuttle wrote:
> 
>>> That has been obvious since the DOS days
>>
>> I don't believe they had the processing power for an AI
>> to produce code for them. However, if you have any evidence,
>> I'd love to see it.
> 
> https://www.wired.com/story/minecraft-ai-code-microsoft/
> 
>     "Microsoft’s Copilot was made available to a limited number of testers
>      in June 2021 and is now being used by over 10,000 developers who are
>      producing, on average, around 35 percent of their code in popular
>      languages like Python and Java using Copilot, Microsoft says. The
>      company plans to make Copilot available for anyone to download this summer.
>      To build something like the Minecraft bot, developers would need to work
>      with the underlying AI model, Codex.
> 
>      Both Codex and Copilot have stirred up some anxiety among developers,
>      who fear they could be automated out of a job. The Minecraft demo
>      could inspire similar concerns. But Scott says the feedback on Copilot
>      has been largely positive, suggesting that it simply automates more
>      tedious coding tasks. “If you talk to a developer who actually uses a
>      Copilot, they'll say ‘this is such a great tool,’” he says.
> 
> I guess we'll know, when the first wave of layoffs start :-)
> 
> But when your rich uncle pays for all the electricity,
> the balance sheet for this approach does not matter.
> I drive a Cadillac to the dump... "because the roads are
> so bad there".
> 
>     Paul
> 
Fyi...
  AI internally was in use in specific areas around 2014 and in 
development a few years earlier - primarily two platforms - [1]Cortana 
and [2]Windows(the former based on existing data local and cloud based, 
the latter a tool to write code for verification of human written or 
existing code). Additionally AI at the same time had some penetration in 
speech, gaming, and data(feedback - known and/or reported issues)analysis.
  - a case could even be made for even earlier use(circa 2009) where 
machine learning was in use for [3]Windows Live Search based on and from 
acquisitions that developed tools using semantic/natural language search 
engines providing target answers to user questions(instead of keyword 
search). Not too distant from the more common 'Chat-AI' in use today.

All[1,2,3] had their own internal codenames independent of the 
respective platform codenames.

i.e. there's more history to be seen than publicly broadcast or spun 
with marketing terms.

It would be a stretch(leap of faith/pipe dream/ignorance) to claim that 
replacing humans, support, sales, software development with AI code 
during the DOS days....though that earlier comment did have its humorous 
benefit.



-- 
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#18956

On Fri, 02 May 2025 01:52:15 -0400, ...winston wrote:

> 
> 
> It would be a stretch(leap of faith/pipe dream/ignorance) to claim that 
> replacing humans, support, sales, software development with AI code 
> during the DOS days....
>

Some form of AI has existed perhaps since the beginning of civilization.

For example, all word processors and accounting software packages are
usually bundled with a plethora of boilerplate documents to suit a variety
of purposes.  Do you think the average office worker will create a dunning
letter from scratch?  That would be highly unlikely.  Rather they will select
a standard dunning boilerplate and perhaps modify it slighly.  Does that
seem quiite like current AI?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boilerplate_text

There is very little human creativity taking place on a daily basis
around the world.  Most is just rehearsed and rehashed standard formulas,
and the current digital AI trend just naturally fits into it all.



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