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  what is the fastest command line copy? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-29 17:03 -0700
    Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-29 20:43 -0400
      Re: what is the fastest command line copy? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-29 17:49 -0700
      Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-30 06:55 +0000
        Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-03-31 12:08 -0700
          Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-31 20:35 +0100
            Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-03-31 13:35 -0700
    Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Dual Boot Windows <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-31 02:12 +0100
      Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-03-31 04:43 +0200
        Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-31 00:47 -0400
          Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-03-31 11:06 +0200
          Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-03-31 12:10 -0700
          Re: what is the fastest command line copy? "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2025-04-01 18:56 -0400
        Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-31 08:21 -0400
          Re: what is the fastest command line copy? "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-03-31 15:47 +0200
            Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-31 10:54 -0400
              Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-31 15:59 +0100
              Re: what is the fastest command line copy? "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-03-31 17:32 +0200
              Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-04-01 07:00 +0200
                Re: what is the fastest command line copy? "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-01 09:11 +0200
                Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-01 03:44 -0400
                Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-01 09:26 -0400
                  Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-04-02 08:50 +0200
                    Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-02 04:15 -0400
                      Re: what is the fastest command line copy? "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-02 10:35 +0200
                        Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-02 05:54 -0400
                          Re: what is the fastest command line copy? "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-02 16:15 +0200
                            Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-02 11:40 -0400
                              Re: what is the fastest command line copy? "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-02 18:13 +0200
                                Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-02 12:41 -0400
                                  Re: what is the fastest command line copy? "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-02 20:27 +0200
                                    Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-03 03:22 -0400
                                      Re: what is the fastest command line copy? "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-03 13:10 +0200
                        Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-02 07:57 -0400
                          Re: what is the fastest command line copy? "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-02 16:19 +0200
                            Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-02 11:04 -0400
                              Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-02 12:04 -0400
                              Re: what is the fastest command line copy? "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-02 18:06 +0200
                      Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-02 12:41 +0000
                        Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-02 12:15 -0400
                          Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-02 17:36 +0000
                      Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-02 10:50 -0700
                      Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-04-03 05:24 +0200
                        Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Democrat <Democrat@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-03 06:00 +0000
                          Re: what is the fastest command line copy? "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-03 08:39 +0200
                          Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-04-03 15:55 +0200
                            Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-03 15:06 +0000
                              Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-04-04 13:55 +0200
                                Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-04 12:11 +0000
                                  Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-04-04 10:32 -0700
                                  Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-04-05 05:20 +0200
                                    Re: what is the fastest command line copy? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-05 00:44 -0700
                                    Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-06 20:20 +1000
                                      Re: what is the fastest command line copy? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-04-06 21:15 +0100
                                Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-04 08:49 -0400
                                  Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-04-05 05:29 +0200
                                    Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-05 08:26 -0400
                                  Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-05 00:37 -0400
                                    Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-05 08:18 -0400
                            Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-03 11:00 -0500
                    Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-02 07:53 -0400
                      Re: what is the fastest command line copy? "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-02 16:26 +0200
                        Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-02 11:03 -0400
                          Re: what is the fastest command line copy? "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-02 18:04 +0200
                          Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-02 12:36 -0400
                            Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-02 13:07 -0400
                              Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-03 04:14 -0400
                                Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-03 08:40 -0400
                    Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-02 10:43 -0700
                      Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-02 18:59 -0500
                    Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-02 11:11 -0700
            Re: what is the fastest command line copy? knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-31 10:59 -0400
              Re: what is the fastest command line copy? "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-03-31 17:26 +0200
                Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-31 13:05 -0400
                  Re: what is the fastest command line copy? "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-03-31 20:18 +0200
                    Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-31 14:43 -0400
        Re: what is the fastest command line copy? Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-03-31 13:40 -0700
      Re: what is the fastest command line copy? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-30 23:03 -0700
      Re: what is the fastest command line copy? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-30 23:43 -0700
      Re: what is the fastest command line copy? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-01 02:01 -0700

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#18203

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 4/2/2025 8:41 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 4/2/2025 2:50 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:
[...]
> >>> I'm not sure what you're saying here. 
> >>>
> >>> I have four batch files:
> >>>
> >>> dsk2flsh.bat
> >>> flsh2lap.bat
> >>> lap2flsh.bat
> >>> flsh2dsk.bat
> >>>
> >>> I only have to remember the exact syntax when I make the batch files,
> >>> and after that I I have to remember is the name of the batch file. 
> >>
> >> When those .bat files copy things, do you check
> >> the "error number" to see if the copy
> >> was successful ?
> > 
> >   Note that (this part of) the discussion is for .bat files which mainly
> > contain a single 'complicated' command, so the user does not have to
> > remember the complicated command, but just the name of hir .bat file.
> > 
> >   For *such* a .bat file, if the command fails, it will give the same
> > error(s) as if the command was typed manually, so there's no need for
> > checking the error number.
> > 
> >> Scripting is "programming", and the same things I would
> >> have to check when writing a C language program, those
> >> are still issues when running a (so-called OS) copy program.
> > 
> >   Yes, scripting - i.e. also .bat files - is "programming", but for
> > simple .bat files, such are under discussion here, there's no need to
> > make things more complicated than just putting the 'complicated' command
> > in a .bat file.
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> 
> Well, someone is expressing an interest in scripting, and I don't
> want them picking up any bad habits.

  Fair enough. Just as long we agree that there's nothing wrong with
Steve's method.

> I use a different approach than Steve, for one-liners. I have
> a separate notes file in the backup area, and all the one-liners
> are copy/pasted in there. Copy a line from that file, into a
> separate Notepad, edit the details as required, then paste it raw
> into the Terminal window, and then all the side effects are visible
> on the screen.

  Again, fair enough, different strokes for different folks.

  FWIW, if the task and parameters are static, I use a .bat file instead
of copy and paste.

  And my 'one-liners' are two or more lines, because they start with
'@echo off'! :-)

> It's like code inspection, doing it that way. Anything moving data
> around, deserves extra eyeballs.

  "code inspection"!? *I* wrote it, so it's purrfect!

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#18205

On Wed, 2 Apr 2025 04:15:57 -0400, Paul wrote: 
> 
> When those .bat files copy things, do you check
> the "error number" to see if the copy
> was successful ?
> 
> Scripting is "programming", and the same things I would
> have to check when writing a C language program, those
> are still issues when running a (so-called OS) copy program.
> 
> Here, my personal copy program returns a value of "1", if the source file
> cannot be opened. This clause was written by an AI by the way.
> "It doesn't have to make sense", as the AI would tell you :-)
> What the AI didn't tell me, is there is a bug in one of the
> library routines I should know about.

What is the bug, Paul? Or were you just referrng to your initial 
version losing %ERRORLEVEL% because you didn't save it before running 
a DIR command?

>     # part of paulcopy64.exe source code... Mostly written by an AI.
>     # I only fix them up and make them work. The comment is written by the AI.
> 
>     // Open the source file in binary mode
>     FILE *source = fopen64(argv[1], "rb");
>     if (!source) {
>         perror("Error opening source file");
>         return 1;
>     }
> 
> Now, we test in a Command Prompt, and see if the returned integer
> error code, is arriving OK or not. It is. If each error has a
> different integer number, you can tell the error types apart,
> with numeric checks of %errorlevel% .
> 
> D:\>paulcopy64 a b
> Error opening source file: No such file or directory
> 
> D:\>echo %errorlevel%
> 1                               # Om my! My copy did not proceed.
> 
> Making a batch file is not "just making a laundry list".
> It needs conditional checks (somehow) of each
> stage of the operation.  And in my C program snippet, you can see
> the AI is doing the same thing. The AI assumes I will be scripting
> calls to "paulcopy64.exe" and scripting needs the number, to check
> the program run went OK.
> 
> In scripting, you have to be careful with "volatile" items
> like an %errorlevel% . They must be copied before they are lost,
> by the next utility program loading its success or failure status
> into that single variable in the shell.
> 
> Look at the following and note my handling mistake. The error result
> from the "dir" command, has overwritten the "1" left in the %errorlevel% .
> There was no error in the "dir" run and the result from it is "0".
> 
> D:\>paulcopy64 a b
> Error opening source file: No such file or directory
> 
> D:\>dir
>  Volume in drive D
> 
>  Directory of D:\
> Tue, 03/18/2025  09:56 AM           252,122 paulcopy64.exe
> 
> D:\>echo %errorlevel%
> 0                              # Oops! I lost my copy failure code.
> 
> The paulcopy64.exe was actually compiled on Ubuntu 23.04
> as a cross compile, as I have not managed to get a good
> mingw64 for Windows set up here. So I just cross-compiled
> it, and that is why the program is 252,122 bytes, when it
> should be a lot smaller for a dumb copy program.
> 
> # Asking Ubuntu to make a 64-bit version of a Windows EXE (a PE32+ EXE file).
> # The FILE_OFFSET_BITS is to enable 64 bit long length fields and stuff.
> # The compiler package (effectively a script) must be installed for the executable
> # of the compiler, to be found.  "x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc" does not exist by default.
> # This allows my program to have "gobs" of RAM, compiling it this way :-)
> 
> /usr/bin/x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/usr/x86_64-w64-mingw32/include -o paulcopy64.exe paulcopy64.c
> 
>    Paul



-- 
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA         https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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#18212

On Wed, 2 Apr 2025 04:15:57 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>On Wed, 4/2/2025 2:50 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> I have four batch files:
>> 
>> dsk2flsh.bat
>> flsh2lap.bat
>> lap2flsh.bat
>> flsh2dsk.bat
>> 
>> I only have to remember the exact syntax when I make the batch files,
>> and after that I I have to remember is the name of the batch file. 
>> 
>> 
>
>When those .bat files copy things, do you check
>the "error number" to see if the copy
>was successful ?
>
>Scripting is "programming", and the same things I would
>have to check when writing a C language program, those
>are still issues when running a (so-called OS) copy program.
>
>Here, my personal copy program returns a value of "1", if the source file
>cannot be opened. This clause was written by an AI by the way.
>"It doesn't have to make sense", as the AI would tell you :-)
>What the AI didn't tell me, is there is a bug in one of the
>library routines I should know about.

My problems have been with the target file.

Sometimes, after the batch file has called the copy program (xxcopy in
the case of the desktop computer, Robocopy in the case of the laptop),
the file copied from the flash drive to the computer will not open. 

When that has happened, I have recopied the file using Norton
Commander, and then it has opened. 

-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#18213

On 03/04/2025 04:24, Steve Hayes wrote:

> 
> My problems have been with the target file.
> 
> Sometimes, after the batch file has called the copy program (xxcopy in
> the case of the desktop computer, Robocopy in the case of the laptop),
> the file copied from the flash drive to the computer will not open.
> 
> When that has happened, I have recopied the file using Norton
> Commander, and then it has opened.
> 

You need to post the content of your batch file(s). Don't expect people 
here to have ESP to read your mind. We are in 2025 and witchcraft, magic 
and religion is never practised unless you are a politician.

Have you noticed that politicians are always afraid to attack church 
leaders even if there is ample evidence that they are wrong and simple 
brain washing the masses!

How is Elon Musk? I hear he has decided to quit Trump administration 
because the price is too high to pay for helping him destroy democracy. 
Even Nazis think democracy is a good thing!

<https://youtu.be/Ahv3IKzMdHA?si=6b9H75b8PkeoRuMR>

South Africa got hammered by Trump's tariffs.

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#18216

Democrat,

>> Sometimes ... the file copied from the flash drive to the
>> computer will not open.
...
> You need to post the content of your batch file(s).  Don't
> expect people here to have ESP to read your mind.

Why ?  Do you have any knowledge to how a batchfile will possibly interfere 
with the copying process - or even damage the copied file all by itself ?

Don't expect people here to have ESP to read your mind. If you have 
knowledge like that you really need to include it in your post.


Also, why only asking for the batchfile(s) and not (the sourcecode of) both 
coping programs well as the OS('es) involved and the hardware schematics of 
both machines and the flash drive too ?

Yeah, there are a *lot* of places where it could go wrong.  Including 
PEBKAC.

Heck, we do not even know what the damage to the copied file is.  It would 
be telling if its always the tail of the file thats missing ...


Also, leave your political views at the door.  This newsgroup is for Win10. 
If you want to fight about political views - or being told how right you 
are - than there are several newsgroups for just that purpose.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#18233

On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 06:00:19 +0000, Democrat <Democrat@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>On 03/04/2025 04:24, Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>> 
>> My problems have been with the target file.
>> 
>> Sometimes, after the batch file has called the copy program (xxcopy in
>> the case of the desktop computer, Robocopy in the case of the laptop),
>> the file copied from the flash drive to the computer will not open.
>> 
>> When that has happened, I have recopied the file using Norton
>> Commander, and then it has opened.
>> 
>
>You need to post the content of your batch file(s). Don't expect people 
>here to have ESP to read your mind. We are in 2025 and witchcraft, magic 
>and religion is never practised unless you are a politician.

I wasn't asking anyone to debug my batch files. I got into this
discussion by pointing out that I doing have to type our a series of
commands in the command line, I put them into a batch file, and
therefore a batch file is a kind of script. 

The error I referred to appears to be in one of the utes* called by
the batch file. 

* if applications can be called "apps" surely utilities can be called
"utes"?



 
-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#18234

Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
[...]

> * if applications can be called "apps" surely utilities can be called
> "utes"?

  Utes are big things and apps are normally small things. But you can
call anything, anything you like, so 'utes' it is! :-)

<https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+ute>

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#18268

On 3 Apr 2025 15:06:34 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>[...]
>
>> * if applications can be called "apps" surely utilities can be called
>> "utes"?
>
>  Utes are big things and apps are normally small things. But you can
>call anything, anything you like, so 'utes' it is! :-)
>
><https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+ute>

That's in AusE. We call those "bakkies" in SAfE. 

But its still short for "utilities" (the U in SUV) so you can just as
easily use the abbreviation for utility programs on your computer. 



-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#18269

Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On 3 Apr 2025 15:06:34 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
> >Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >[...]
> >
> >> * if applications can be called "apps" surely utilities can be called
> >> "utes"?
> >
> >  Utes are big things and apps are normally small things. But you can
> >call anything, anything you like, so 'utes' it is! :-)
> >
> ><https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+ute>
> 
> That's in AusE. We call those "bakkies" in SAfE. 

  For this Dutchie, "bakkies" is perfectly natural.

> But its still short for "utilities" (the U in SUV) so you can just as
> easily use the abbreviation for utility programs on your computer. 

  Yes, in future, in the off chance we get stuck in some kind of
constructive discussion, let's throw in some comments about 'utes'.
That'll teach them! :-)

  My ute can beat up your ute!

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#18275

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> writes:

> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> On 3 Apr 2025 15:06:34 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> >[...]
>> >
>> >> * if applications can be called "apps" surely utilities can be called
>> >> "utes"?
>> >
>> >  Utes are big things and apps are normally small things. But you can
>> >call anything, anything you like, so 'utes' it is! :-)
>> >
>> ><https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+ute>
>> 
>> That's in AusE. We call those "bakkies" in SAfE. 
>
>   For this Dutchie, "bakkies" is perfectly natural.
>
>> But its still short for "utilities" (the U in SUV) so you can just as
>> easily use the abbreviation for utility programs on your computer. 
>
>   Yes, in future, in the off chance we get stuck in some kind of
> constructive discussion, let's throw in some comments about 'utes'.
> That'll teach them! :-)
>
>   My ute can beat up your ute!
Just to muddy the waters,

  "Utes" are an Indigenous people of the Great Basin and Colorado
  Plateau in present-day Utah, western Colorado, and northern New
  Mexico.[7][3] Historically, their territory also included parts of
  Wyoming, eastern Nevada, and Arizona.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ute_people
-- 
-Don_from_AZ-

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#18293

On 4 Apr 2025 12:11:59 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> But its still short for "utilities" (the U in SUV) so you can just as
>> easily use the abbreviation for utility programs on your computer. 
>
>  Yes, in future, in the off chance we get stuck in some kind of
>constructive discussion, let's throw in some comments about 'utes'.
>That'll teach them! :-)
>
>  My ute can beat up your ute!

It's part of the fight-back against the trend to call utilities
"apps". 


-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#18296

On 4/4/25 8:20 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On 4 Apr 2025 12:11:59 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>> But its still short for "utilities" (the U in SUV) so you can just as
>>> easily use the abbreviation for utility programs on your computer.
>>
>>   Yes, in future, in the off chance we get stuck in some kind of
>> constructive discussion, let's throw in some comments about 'utes'.
>> That'll teach them! :-)
>>
>>   My ute can beat up your ute!
> 
> It's part of the fight-back against the trend to call utilities
> "apps".


One of my programs is 13885 lines long.  Some folk still
call it a "script" because it is written in Raku (Perl 6)

Five lines is a script.  13885 line is a program.  I do
not care what language it is written in,

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#18316

On 5/04/2025 2:20 pm, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On 4 Apr 2025 12:11:59 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>> But its still short for "utilities" (the U in SUV) so you can just as
>>> easily use the abbreviation for utility programs on your computer.
>>
>>   Yes, in future, in the off chance we get stuck in some kind of
>> constructive discussion, let's throw in some comments about 'utes'.
>> That'll teach them! :-)
>>
>>   My ute can beat up your ute!
> 
> It's part of the fight-back against the trend to call utilities
> "apps".
> 
I thought 'Utilities' included Gas, Water and Electricity! ;-P
-- 
Daniel70

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#18320

On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 20:20:09 +1000
Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

> On 5/04/2025 2:20 pm, Steve Hayes wrote:
> > On 4 Apr 2025 12:11:59 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >>> But its still short for "utilities" (the U in SUV) so you can just as
> >>> easily use the abbreviation for utility programs on your computer.
> >>
> >>   Yes, in future, in the off chance we get stuck in some kind of
> >> constructive discussion, let's throw in some comments about 'utes'.
> >> That'll teach them! :-)
> >>
> >>   My ute can beat up your ute!
> > 
> > It's part of the fight-back against the trend to call utilities
> > "apps".
> > 
> I thought 'Utilities' included Gas, Water and Electricity! ;-P

I prefer the Stations, at least in the early part. Oh -  this isn't the
Monopoly strategy forum.


-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#18270

On 4/4/2025 7:55 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:
> 
> But its still short for "utilities" (the U in SUV) so you can just as
> easily use the abbreviation for utility programs on your computer.
> 

   I've always disliked "apps", too. In my memory it originates
with Apple ads: "There's an app for that." Like all things
Apple, it's a bit too cute, like talking to a 12 year old girl.
But now that the term is established, at least it's a way to
distinguish compiled Win32 software executables from
Metro/WinRT/UWP applets.

   Microsoft have a long history of butchering the English
language with tasteless marketing. WinME was supposed
to be pronounced, and written, "Windows Me". But they
couldn't quite swallow their own sleaze, so the logo was a
lowercase e, but as high as the M. Then there was
"solutions" as a substitute for "projects" -- marketing the
software before it's even written.

My favorite all-time gibberish: "Leveraging solutions across
the enterprise". (Translation: Using software at work.)

My favorite example of shooting themselves in the foot:
"Hailstorm" as a name for a set of online services.

Their latest obnoxious gimmick is "experiences":

"Windows also provides experiences that connect to the
  internet to provide additional capabilities. These
connected experiences can help you in various ways."

   It's an interesting choice. The term seems to assume
that Windows customers tend to feel that they're "missing
the boat" in their life. Numb. So all Microsoft products are
called "experiences". Not only can you write a letter with
Office365. It will enrich your life so that you don't feel like
such a loser. Always dreamed of climbing Everest or touring
the national parks, but you never got around to it? Not to
worry. You can use Outlook, which is just as good. "You
can have a rich, fulfilling life, for only 15 bucks a month."

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#18294

On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 08:49:02 -0400, Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam>
wrote:

>On 4/4/2025 7:55 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> 
>> But its still short for "utilities" (the U in SUV) so you can just as
>> easily use the abbreviation for utility programs on your computer.
>> 
>
>   I've always disliked "apps", too. In my memory it originates
>with Apple ads: "There's an app for that." Like all things
>Apple, it's a bit too cute, like talking to a 12 year old girl.
>But now that the term is established, at least it's a way to
>distinguish compiled Win32 software executables from
>Metro/WinRT/UWP applets.
>
>   Microsoft have a long history of butchering the English
>language with tasteless marketing. WinME was supposed
>to be pronounced, and written, "Windows Me". But they
>couldn't quite swallow their own sleaze, so the logo was a
>lowercase e, but as high as the M. Then there was
>"solutions" as a substitute for "projects" -- marketing the
>software before it's even written.

Yes, that one has always annoyed me. Advertising "solutions" is
meaningless of you don't know what the problem is. 


>My favorite all-time gibberish: "Leveraging solutions across
>the enterprise". (Translation: Using software at work.)
>
>My favorite example of shooting themselves in the foot:
>"Hailstorm" as a name for a set of online services.
>
>Their latest obnoxious gimmick is "experiences":
>
>"Windows also provides experiences that connect to the
>  internet to provide additional capabilities. These
>connected experiences can help you in various ways."
>
>   It's an interesting choice. The term seems to assume
>that Windows customers tend to feel that they're "missing
>the boat" in their life. Numb. So all Microsoft products are
>called "experiences". Not only can you write a letter with
>Office365. It will enrich your life so that you don't feel like
>such a loser. Always dreamed of climbing Everest or touring
>the national parks, but you never got around to it? Not to
>worry. You can use Outlook, which is just as good. "You
>can have a rich, fulfilling life, for only 15 bucks a month."

And then there's UX (User Experience), which usually means that
programmers and web designers are obsessed with bells and whistles and
ignore pistons and cylinders. So the main user experience is
frustration, because the damned thing doesn't actually DO anything,
but just sits on the screen preening itself.

 



And my main user experience is frustration
-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#18300

On 4/4/2025 11:29 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:

> And then there's UX (User Experience), which usually means that
> programmers and web designers are obsessed with bells and whistles and
> ignore pistons and cylinders. So the main user experience is
> frustration, because the damned thing doesn't actually DO anything,
> but just sits on the screen preening itself.
> 

    That's one I hadn't thought of. I've been only vaguely aware
of "UX". But you're right. The idea of interface design as marketing
scam is so widespread that they wanted an acronym for it. Design
used to mean thoughtful planning to put buttons and menus in
intuitive locations. Now it's more likely to mean steering the
enduser toward a particular entertainment usage.

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#18295

On Fri, 4/4/2025 8:49 AM, Newyana2 wrote:

> 
>   It's an interesting choice. The term seems to assume
> that Windows customers tend to feel that they're "missing
> the boat" in their life. Numb. So all Microsoft products are
> called "experiences". Not only can you write a letter with
> Office365. It will enrich your life so that you don't feel like
> such a loser. Always dreamed of climbing Everest or touring
> the national parks, but you never got around to it? Not to
> worry. You can use Outlook, which is just as good. "You
> can have a rich, fulfilling life, for only 15 bucks a month."
> 

Your computer is about to call you Emily.

   https://store-images.s-microsoft.com/image/apps.53040.13623743226081137.36b6be7c-6a3b-4414-b1d9-f1b3eb178dea.1e9fda02-60ba-4925-a841-ab921b2841fd?h=768

Without using Recall, CoPilot has another way of watching your desktop.
And your camera input, if you connect a camera to the PC.

   https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-celebrates-its-50th-anniversary-by-letting-copilot-see-what-you-see

  Paul

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#18299

On 4/5/2025 12:37 AM, Paul wrote:

> Your computer is about to call you Emily.
> 
>     https://store-images.s-microsoft.com/image/apps.53040.13623743226081137.36b6be7c-6a3b-4414-b1d9-f1b3eb178dea.1e9fda02-60ba-4925-a841-ab921b2841fd?h=768
> 
> Without using Recall, CoPilot has another way of watching your desktop.
> And your camera input, if you connect a camera to the PC.
> 
>     https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-celebrates-its-50th-anniversary-by-letting-copilot-see-what-you-see
> 

    I expect that a lot of people will like that. Most people
loathe managing their computer. I have no Copilots and
no cameras. But if they come back with that sexy Cortana
babe -- the blue one in the tight onesie with glowing
transistors on her thighs, and the mindless enthusiasm in her
eyes that only robots can offer -- then we can talk.

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#18238

On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 15:55:55 +0200, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net>
wrote:

>The error I referred to appears to be in one of the utes* called by
>the batch file. 
>
>* if applications can be called "apps" surely utilities can be called
>"utes"?

Utes are the two guys who were falsely accused in My Cousin Vinny.

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