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  Battery save app sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-10 08:49 -0600
    Re: Battery save app Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-10 15:06 +0000
      Re: Battery save app sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-10 09:48 -0600
        Re: Battery save app "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-01-10 10:56 -0500
          Re: Battery save app sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-10 14:18 -0600
            Re: Battery save app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-10 20:34 +0000
              Re: Battery save app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-10 23:06 +0100
                Re: Battery save app Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-01-11 13:35 +0100
                  Re: Battery save app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-11 15:40 +0100
            Re: Battery save app Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-26 19:52 +1100
        Re: Battery save app Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-10 12:21 -0500
          Re: Battery save app sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-10 14:35 -0600
            Re: Battery save app Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-26 20:02 +1100
              Re: Battery save app Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-26 10:01 +0000
              Re: Battery save app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-26 13:58 +0100
    Re: Battery save app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-10 16:04 +0000
      Re: Battery save app sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-10 14:21 -0600
    Re: Battery save app Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> - 2025-01-11 09:03 +1300
      Re: Battery save app Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-10 15:20 -0500
        Re: Battery save app sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-10 14:39 -0600
      Re: Battery save app sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-10 14:37 -0600
        Re: Battery save app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-10 22:59 +0100
          Re: Battery save app Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-10 18:46 -0500
          Re: Battery save app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-11 15:50 +0100
    Re: Battery save app Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2025-01-10 22:35 -0700
      Re: Battery save app dbnnet <dbnnet@invalid.com> - 2025-01-11 14:25 +0200
        Re: Battery save app Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-28 19:50 +1100
          Re: Battery save app Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-28 06:04 -0500
            Re: Battery save app Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-29 20:54 +1100
              Re: Battery save app Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-29 05:54 -0500

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#16183 — Battery save app

I got a new laptop for the wife, my first time with Win 11, though I've 
been reading here since I knew this day was inevitable.  No problems 
getting it all set up, expect for the battery issue.

I recall a while back talk on one of the windows groups where the 
battery would only charge to 80% to save battery life on newer 
computers.  I guess I thought Win 11 had the ability to do this.  From 
what I gather, it only has the option to help out by limiting what you 
can do if the level goes below 20%.  That's not what I was interested 
in.  Am I correct that Win 11 has no built in way to manage the top 
charging level on it's own?

So then I started looking for manufacturer options.  This is an HP 
laptop, 15-fd0107dx prodID A9PE7UA#ABA, and it appears their support for 
this is not the best.  I read more stuff on windows 10 and little on 
windows 11.  There are some pages showing what they call HP Power 
Manager, but going to their site and allowing them to scan and give 
updates and software options it doesn't come up for this laptop.

I have downloaded a file, sp78633.exe, that looks like it might be the 
HP Power Manager software.  I did update the bios from the website and 
on the bios configuration tab it had something called Adaptive Battery 
Optimizer (enabled), but can't see where it does anything.  I do have 
the full setup macrium image all made in case I screw something up.

I guess my second question is does anyone have this Power Manager stuff 
from HP on a Windows 11 system and know where to get it, or in the 
alternative I guess I could try running the sp78633.exe file and see 
what happens?

Any suggestions welcomed!
TIA


-- 
I Stand With Israel!

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#16184

sticks wrote:

> I recall a while back talk on one of the windows groups where the 
> battery would only charge to 80% to save battery life on newer 
> computers.  I guess I thought Win 11 had the ability to do this.  From 
> what I gather, it only has the option to help out by limiting what you 
> can do if the level goes below 20%.  That's not what I was interested 
> in.  Am I correct that Win 11 has no built in way to manage the top 
> charging level on it's own?

Yes, Win11 itself doesn't allow charging to less than 100%, my two 
laptops have a Lenovo utility to limit charging, and a previous Huawei 
did too, not sure about HP.

> So then I started looking for manufacturer options.  This is an HP laptop

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#16185

On 1/10/2025 9:06 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> sticks wrote:
> 
>> I recall a while back talk on one of the windows groups where the 
>> battery would only charge to 80% to save battery life on newer 
>> computers.  I guess I thought Win 11 had the ability to do this.  From 
>> what I gather, it only has the option to help out by limiting what you 
>> can do if the level goes below 20%.  That's not what I was interested 
>> in.  Am I correct that Win 11 has no built in way to manage the top 
>> charging level on it's own?
> 
> Yes, Win11 itself doesn't allow charging to less than 100%, my two 
> laptops have a Lenovo utility to limit charging, and a previous Huawei 
> did too, not sure about HP.

Thanks, that's what I figured.
I suppose Microsoft would be opening a huge can of worms with all the 
possible hardware scenarios involved to try and do this themselves and 
are just opting for the manufacturers implementing it.  I was kind of 
surprised with this new purchase it isn't more straight forward, but I 
guess I'll keep looking into it.


-- 
I Stand With Israel!

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#16186

On 1/10/25 10:48 AM, sticks wrote:
> On 1/10/2025 9:06 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>> sticks wrote:
>>
>>> I recall a while back talk on one of the windows groups where the battery would only charge to 
>>> 80% to save battery life on newer computers.  I guess I thought Win 11 had the ability to do 
>>> this.  From what I gather, it only has the option to help out by limiting what you can do if the 
>>> level goes below 20%.  That's not what I was interested in.  Am I correct that Win 11 has no 
>>> built in way to manage the top charging level on it's own?
>>
>> Yes, Win11 itself doesn't allow charging to less than 100%, my two laptops have a Lenovo utility 
>> to limit charging, and a previous Huawei did too, not sure about HP.
> 
> Thanks, that's what I figured.
> I suppose Microsoft would be opening a huge can of worms with all the possible hardware scenarios 
> involved to try and do this themselves and are just opting for the manufacturers implementing it.  I 
> was kind of surprised with this new purchase it isn't more straight forward, but I guess I'll keep 
> looking into it.
> 
> 
I have an HP about a year old.   Check this.

     https://support.hp.com/au-en/document/ish_4034543-1660469-16

I don't use it or anything else.  Battery is 100%.  I've had about 5 laptops, all lasted +/-10 yrs.
Never did anything other than 100%.   Batteries last about 3+ years.   One lasted 5yrs.


-- 
Linux Mint 22, Cinnamon 6.2.9,  Kernel 6.8.0-51-generic
Thunderbird 128.5.2esr, Mozilla Firefox 133.0.3
Alan K.

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#16192

On 1/10/2025 9:56 AM, Alan K. wrote:
> On 1/10/25 10:48 AM, sticks wrote:
>> On 1/10/2025 9:06 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> sticks wrote:
>>>
>>>> I recall a while back talk on one of the windows groups where the 
>>>> battery would only charge to 80% to save battery life on newer 
>>>> computers.  I guess I thought Win 11 had the ability to do this.  
>>>> From what I gather, it only has the option to help out by limiting 
>>>> what you can do if the level goes below 20%.  That's not what I was 
>>>> interested in.  Am I correct that Win 11 has no built in way to 
>>>> manage the top charging level on it's own?
>>>
>>> Yes, Win11 itself doesn't allow charging to less than 100%, my two 
>>> laptops have a Lenovo utility to limit charging, and a previous 
>>> Huawei did too, not sure about HP.
>>
>> Thanks, that's what I figured.
>> I suppose Microsoft would be opening a huge can of worms with all the 
>> possible hardware scenarios involved to try and do this themselves and 
>> are just opting for the manufacturers implementing it.  I was kind of 
>> surprised with this new purchase it isn't more straight forward, but I 
>> guess I'll keep looking into it.
>>
>>
> I have an HP about a year old.   Check this.
> 
>      https://support.hp.com/au-en/document/ish_4034543-1660469-16
> 
> I don't use it or anything else.  Battery is 100%.  I've had about 5 
> laptops, all lasted +/-10 yrs.
> Never did anything other than 100%.   Batteries last about 3+ years.   
> One lasted 5yrs.

My laptop gets very little use these days since retirement.  But I took 
it to work in the field every day and used it as a laptop was meant for. 
  I did replace the battery once in it.  My wife's computer almost never 
gets taken anywhere and just sits in the same spot plugged in all the 
time.  I eventually took the battery out and just let her use it that 
way as I was worried it would explode some day.
Your link also looks like my new purchase won't have the ability to do 
what I want, so I got to get her trained to use this one differently.


-- 
I Stand With Israel!

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#16195

sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
> On 1/10/2025 9:56 AM, Alan K. wrote:
[...]
> My laptop gets very little use these days since retirement.  But I took 
> it to work in the field every day and used it as a laptop was meant for. 
>   I did replace the battery once in it.  My wife's computer almost never 
> gets taken anywhere and just sits in the same spot plugged in all the 
> time.  I eventually took the battery out and just let her use it that 
> way as I was worried it would explode some day.
> Your link also looks like my new purchase won't have the ability to do 
> what I want, so I got to get her trained to use this one differently.

  As I mentioned before, I have my (HP) on a 'programmable' AC timer,
which switches the power to the adapter on and off at programmed times.

  A 1h20m charge cycle makes it last most days, so most of the day it is
*not* at 100%, the percentage which is partly responsible for limiting
the battery's lifetime. Of course this 'eats up' (partial) charge/
discharge cycles, but that's better than sitting at 100% all the time.

  A 'smart plug' would be a better solution, but sadly I have found no
such plug which can be switched on/off with a Windows command-line
command. (Yes, there are some exotic hacks, but I have not bothered with
those and just kept using the simple AC timer.)

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#16200

On 2025-01-10 21:34, Frank Slootweg wrote:

...

>    A 'smart plug' would be a better solution, but sadly I have found no
> such plug which can be switched on/off with a Windows command-line
> command. (Yes, there are some exotic hacks, but I have not bothered with
> those and just kept using the simple AC timer.)

energenie EG-PMS2-LAN

It connects to the LAN via Ethernet. It worked for some years, then it 
failed, so I can not remember the details. I think there was a simple 
local web page to control it, and a Windows application. Also I found a 
Linux application to use from scripts. It was also programmable, to do 
things with a timer. Very nice gadget, except for the failing thing.

I wrote using it a watchdog for my router of the time, which had the 
mania of hanging. A power cycle would wake it up.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#16204

Carlos E.R. wrote:

>energenie EG-PMS2-LAN
>
>It connects to the LAN via Ethernet. It worked for some years, then it 
>failed, so I can not remember the details. I think there was a simple 
>local web page to control it, and a Windows application. Also I found a 
>Linux application to use from scripts. It was also programmable, to do 
>things with a timer. Very nice gadget, except for the failing thing.

I've had basically the same one, except that it connects to USB. I have
it for approx. 20 years and it has never failed me. The Linux
script/command line app works very well too and it even is included in
the Ubuntu repo (egctl).

-jw-
-- 
And now for something completely different...

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#16206

On 2025-01-11 13:35, Joerg Walther wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> energenie EG-PMS2-LAN
>>
>> It connects to the LAN via Ethernet. It worked for some years, then it
>> failed, so I can not remember the details. I think there was a simple
>> local web page to control it, and a Windows application. Also I found a
>> Linux application to use from scripts. It was also programmable, to do
>> things with a timer. Very nice gadget, except for the failing thing.
> 
> I've had basically the same one, except that it connects to USB. I have
> it for approx. 20 years and it has never failed me. The Linux
> script/command line app works very well too and it even is included in
> the Ubuntu repo (egctl).

Connecting to USB means it can obtains the power for the electronics 
from the USB connector, instead of an internal AC power adapter, which 
is what I think failed in mine.

There is, or was, another one connecting via WiFi.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#16530

On 11/01/2025 7:18 am, sticks wrote:
> On 1/10/2025 9:56 AM, Alan K. wrote:
>> On 1/10/25 10:48 AM, sticks wrote:
>>> On 1/10/2025 9:06 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> sticks wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I recall a while back talk on one of the windows groups where the 
>>>>> battery would only charge to 80% to save battery life on newer 
>>>>> computers.  I guess I thought Win 11 had the ability to do this. 
>>>>> From what I gather, it only has the option to help out by limiting 
>>>>> what you can do if the level goes below 20%.  That's not what I was 
>>>>> interested in.  Am I correct that Win 11 has no built in way to 
>>>>> manage the top charging level on it's own?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Win11 itself doesn't allow charging to less than 100%, my two 
>>>> laptops have a Lenovo utility to limit charging, and a previous 
>>>> Huawei did too, not sure about HP.
>>>
>>> Thanks, that's what I figured.
>>> I suppose Microsoft would be opening a huge can of worms with all the 
>>> possible hardware scenarios involved to try and do this themselves 
>>> and are just opting for the manufacturers implementing it.  I was 
>>> kind of surprised with this new purchase it isn't more straight 
>>> forward, but I guess I'll keep looking into it.
>>>
>> I have an HP about a year old.   Check this.
>>
>>      https://support.hp.com/au-en/document/ish_4034543-1660469-16
>>
>> I don't use it or anything else.  Battery is 100%.  I've had about 5 
>> laptops, all lasted +/-10 yrs.
>> Never did anything other than 100%.   Batteries last about 3+ years. 
>> One lasted 5yrs.
> 
> My laptop gets very little use these days since retirement.  But I took 
> it to work in the field every day and used it as a laptop was meant for. 
>   I did replace the battery once in it.  My wife's computer almost never 
> gets taken anywhere and just sits in the same spot plugged in all the 
> time.  I eventually took the battery out and just let her use it that 
> way as I was worried it would explode some day.

Did you try her battery in your laptop (you know, as an Emergency 
Reserve!) .... or was it a different sized battery??

> Your link also looks like my new purchase won't have the ability to do 
> what I want, so I got to get her trained to use this one differently.
-- 
Daniel70

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#16190

On Fri, 1/10/2025 10:48 AM, sticks wrote:
> On 1/10/2025 9:06 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>> sticks wrote:
>>
>>> I recall a while back talk on one of the windows groups where the battery would only charge to 80% to save battery life on newer computers.  I guess I thought Win 11 had the ability to do this.  From what I gather, it only has the option to help out by limiting what you can do if the level goes below 20%.  That's not what I was interested in.  Am I correct that Win 11 has no built in way to manage the top charging level on it's own?
>>
>> Yes, Win11 itself doesn't allow charging to less than 100%, my two laptops have a Lenovo utility to limit charging, and a previous Huawei did too, not sure about HP.
> 
> Thanks, that's what I figured.
> I suppose Microsoft would be opening a huge can of worms with all the possible hardware scenarios involved to try and do this themselves and are just opting for the manufacturers implementing it.  I was kind of surprised with this new purchase it isn't more straight forward, but I guess I'll keep looking into it.
> 
> 

https://www.xda-developers.com/how-limit-battery-charge-80-percent-windows-11/

   "Unfortunately, some HP laptops may not offer any of these options"

  Paul

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#16196

On 1/10/2025 11:21 AM, Paul wrote:
> On Fri, 1/10/2025 10:48 AM, sticks wrote:
>> On 1/10/2025 9:06 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> sticks wrote:
>>>
>>>> I recall a while back talk on one of the windows groups where the battery would only charge to 80% to save battery life on newer computers.  I guess I thought Win 11 had the ability to do this.  From what I gather, it only has the option to help out by limiting what you can do if the level goes below 20%.  That's not what I was interested in.  Am I correct that Win 11 has no built in way to manage the top charging level on it's own?
>>>
>>> Yes, Win11 itself doesn't allow charging to less than 100%, my two laptops have a Lenovo utility to limit charging, and a previous Huawei did too, not sure about HP.
>>
>> Thanks, that's what I figured.
>> I suppose Microsoft would be opening a huge can of worms with all the possible hardware scenarios involved to try and do this themselves and are just opting for the manufacturers implementing it.  I was kind of surprised with this new purchase it isn't more straight forward, but I guess I'll keep looking into it.
>>
>>
> 
> https://www.xda-developers.com/how-limit-battery-charge-80-percent-windows-11/
> 
>     "Unfortunately, some HP laptops may not offer any of these options"

It does have the Adaptive Battery Optimizer which was enabled by 
default, and I guess that's better than nothing.  I might just say to 
hell with it and tell her to not worry about it.  The article appeared 
to say letting it run down and recharging was causing wear too, and that 
keeping it plugged in would also lower total capacity.  Choose your 
poison I guess.  screw it, it's just a battery


-- 
I Stand With Israel!

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#16531

On 11/01/2025 7:35 am, sticks wrote:
> On 1/10/2025 11:21 AM, Paul wrote:

<Snip>

>> https://www.xda-developers.com/how-limit-battery-charge-80-percent-windows-11/ 
>>
>>
>>     "Unfortunately, some HP laptops may not offer any of these options"
> 
> It does have the Adaptive Battery Optimizer which was enabled by 
> default, and I guess that's better than nothing.  I might just say to 
> hell with it and tell her to not worry about it.  The article appeared 
> to say letting it run down and recharging was causing wear too, and that 
> keeping it plugged in would also lower total capacity.  Choose your 
> poison I guess.  screw it, it's just a battery

Wasn't there a problem with NiCad (I think) Batteries where 'they' 
developed a memory so. if you always discharged them to say 60%, they 
would remember this value and, once they reached that level they would 
act like they were flat?? Solutation was to discharge them to lessor 
levels so 'they' didn't develop this memory!!
-- 
Daniel70

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#16534

Daniel70 wrote:

> Wasn't there a problem with NiCad (I think) Batteries where 'they' 
> developed a memory so. if you always discharged them to say 60%, they 
> would remember this value and, once they reached that level they would 
> act like they were flat?

Yes, but that was only one of the reasons NiCd fell out of favour in 
most uses.

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#16546

On 2025-01-26 10:02, Daniel70 wrote:
> Wasn't there a problem with NiCad (I think) Batteries where 'they' 
> developed a memory so. if you always discharged them to say 60%, they 
> would remember this value and, once they reached that level they would 
> act like they were flat?? Solutation was to discharge them to lessor 
> levels so 'they' didn't develop this memory!!

Yes, good NiCd chargers would fully discharge the battery before charging them up.


<https://www.stihl.in/en/project-guides/power-tool-maintenance/battery-care/memory-effect-in-batteries>

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#16187

sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
> I got a new laptop for the wife, my first time with Win 11, though I've 
> been reading here since I knew this day was inevitable.  No problems 
> getting it all set up, expect for the battery issue.
> 
> I recall a while back talk on one of the windows groups where the 
> battery would only charge to 80% to save battery life on newer 
> computers.  I guess I thought Win 11 had the ability to do this.  From 
> what I gather, it only has the option to help out by limiting what you 
> can do if the level goes below 20%.  That's not what I was interested 
> in.  Am I correct that Win 11 has no built in way to manage the top 
> charging level on it's own?
> 
> So then I started looking for manufacturer options.  This is an HP 
> laptop, 15-fd0107dx prodID A9PE7UA#ABA, and it appears their support for 
> this is not the best. ...

  Only the HP business - and perhaps some HP gaming - laptops have
support for limiting the battery charge to some 80%.

  Yours is probably a consumer line (Pavilion?) laptop, which do not
have this functionality.

  FYI, I have an HP Pavilion 15-eh2560nd laptop (with Windows 11) and
that one also does not have this functionality. I have my laptop on an
AC timer, to try to limit the impact of 'too high' charging.

  As Andy indicated, some brands - or some productlines of some brands -
have this functionality, while others have not.

  AFAIK, this functionality needs additional electronics in the laptop,
so it's not 'just' a question of software.

[...]

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#16194

On 1/10/2025 10:04 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
>> I got a new laptop for the wife, my first time with Win 11, though I've
>> been reading here since I knew this day was inevitable.  No problems
>> getting it all set up, expect for the battery issue.
>>
>> I recall a while back talk on one of the windows groups where the
>> battery would only charge to 80% to save battery life on newer
>> computers.  I guess I thought Win 11 had the ability to do this.  From
>> what I gather, it only has the option to help out by limiting what you
>> can do if the level goes below 20%.  That's not what I was interested
>> in.  Am I correct that Win 11 has no built in way to manage the top
>> charging level on it's own?
>>
>> So then I started looking for manufacturer options.  This is an HP
>> laptop, 15-fd0107dx prodID A9PE7UA#ABA, and it appears their support for
>> this is not the best. ...
> 
>    Only the HP business - and perhaps some HP gaming - laptops have
> support for limiting the battery charge to some 80%.
> 
>    Yours is probably a consumer line (Pavilion?) laptop, which do not
> have this functionality.
> 
>    FYI, I have an HP Pavilion 15-eh2560nd laptop (with Windows 11) and
> that one also does not have this functionality. I have my laptop on an
> AC timer, to try to limit the impact of 'too high' charging.
> 
>    As Andy indicated, some brands - or some productlines of some brands -
> have this functionality, while others have not.
> 
>    AFAIK, this functionality needs additional electronics in the laptop,
> so it's not 'just' a question of software.

That makes sense, and also probably explains why MS hasn't implemented 
it.  They have no control over the hardware.  I'll have to continue 
looking into this a little, but your "AFAIK" makes sense.

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#16191

On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 08:49:34 -0600, sticks wrote:

> I got a new laptop for the wife, my first time with Win 11, though I've 
> been reading here since I knew this day was inevitable.  No problems 
> getting it all set up, expect for the battery issue.
> 
> I recall a while back talk on one of the windows groups where the 
> battery would only charge to 80% to save battery life on newer 
> computers.  I guess I thought Win 11 had the ability to do this.  From 
> what I gather, it only has the option to help out by limiting what you 
> can do if the level goes below 20%.  That's not what I was interested 
> in.  Am I correct that Win 11 has no built in way to manage the top 
> charging level on it's own?
> 
> So then I started looking for manufacturer options.  This is an HP 
> laptop, 15-fd0107dx prodID A9PE7UA#ABA, and it appears their support for 
> this is not the best.  I read more stuff on windows 10 and little on 
> windows 11.  There are some pages showing what they call HP Power 
> Manager, but going to their site and allowing them to scan and give 
> updates and software options it doesn't come up for this laptop.
> 
> I have downloaded a file, sp78633.exe, that looks like it might be the 
> HP Power Manager software.  I did update the bios from the website and 
> on the bios configuration tab it had something called Adaptive Battery 
> Optimizer (enabled), but can't see where it does anything.  I do have 
> the full setup macrium image all made in case I screw something up.
> 
> I guess my second question is does anyone have this Power Manager stuff 
> from HP on a Windows 11 system and know where to get it, or in the 
> alternative I guess I could try running the sp78633.exe file and see 
> what happens?
> 
> Any suggestions welcomed!


My HP laptop (series G5) has the HP Battery Health Manager.
It is a BIOS-level option. The settings are in the BIOS.
I updated it a few years ago by flashing a new BIOS.

My guess is the file sp78633.exe may be for flashing the BIOS on 
certain HP models only.  I don't know what it might do to your 
wife's HP laptop.

See this HP support page.  Note the words "BIOS-level" and 
"found in most HP business notebooks."

<https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/ish_4449597-3519507-16>

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    HP Business Notebook PCs - HP Battery Health Manager
 
    HP Battery Health Manager is a BIOS-level setting found in most
    HP business notebooks. It is designed to optimize battery health
    by minimizing the notebook battery exposure to key factors, such
    as high state-of-charge, which can accelerate the natural
    degradation and chemical aging of the battery over time.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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#16193

On Fri, 1/10/2025 3:03 PM, Ralph Fox wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 08:49:34 -0600, sticks wrote:
> 
>> I got a new laptop for the wife, my first time with Win 11, though I've 
>> been reading here since I knew this day was inevitable.  No problems 
>> getting it all set up, expect for the battery issue.
>>
>> I recall a while back talk on one of the windows groups where the 
>> battery would only charge to 80% to save battery life on newer 
>> computers.  I guess I thought Win 11 had the ability to do this.  From 
>> what I gather, it only has the option to help out by limiting what you 
>> can do if the level goes below 20%.  That's not what I was interested 
>> in.  Am I correct that Win 11 has no built in way to manage the top 
>> charging level on it's own?
>>
>> So then I started looking for manufacturer options.  This is an HP 
>> laptop, 15-fd0107dx prodID A9PE7UA#ABA, and it appears their support for 
>> this is not the best.  I read more stuff on windows 10 and little on 
>> windows 11.  There are some pages showing what they call HP Power 
>> Manager, but going to their site and allowing them to scan and give 
>> updates and software options it doesn't come up for this laptop.
>>
>> I have downloaded a file, sp78633.exe, that looks like it might be the 
>> HP Power Manager software.  I did update the bios from the website and 
>> on the bios configuration tab it had something called Adaptive Battery 
>> Optimizer (enabled), but can't see where it does anything.  I do have 
>> the full setup macrium image all made in case I screw something up.
>>
>> I guess my second question is does anyone have this Power Manager stuff 
>> from HP on a Windows 11 system and know where to get it, or in the 
>> alternative I guess I could try running the sp78633.exe file and see 
>> what happens?
>>
>> Any suggestions welcomed!
> 
> 
> My HP laptop (series G5) has the HP Battery Health Manager.
> It is a BIOS-level option. The settings are in the BIOS.
> I updated it a few years ago by flashing a new BIOS.
> 
> My guess is the file sp78633.exe may be for flashing the BIOS on 
> certain HP models only.  I don't know what it might do to your 
> wife's HP laptop.
> 
> See this HP support page.  Note the words "BIOS-level" and 
> "found in most HP business notebooks."
> 
> <https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/ish_4449597-3519507-16>
> 
>     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>     HP Business Notebook PCs - HP Battery Health Manager
>  
>     HP Battery Health Manager is a BIOS-level setting found in most
>     HP business notebooks. It is designed to optimize battery health
>     by minimizing the notebook battery exposure to key factors, such
>     as high state-of-charge, which can accelerate the natural
>     degradation and chemical aging of the battery over time.
>     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

BIOS image flashers, usually check the model identifier string
in the BIOS, to validate whether the new image is for the machine.

   Paul

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#16198

On 1/10/2025 2:20 PM, Paul wrote:
> On Fri, 1/10/2025 3:03 PM, Ralph Fox wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 08:49:34 -0600, sticks wrote:
>>
>>> I got a new laptop for the wife, my first time with Win 11, though I've
>>> been reading here since I knew this day was inevitable.  No problems
>>> getting it all set up, expect for the battery issue.
>>>
>>> I recall a while back talk on one of the windows groups where the
>>> battery would only charge to 80% to save battery life on newer
>>> computers.  I guess I thought Win 11 had the ability to do this.  From
>>> what I gather, it only has the option to help out by limiting what you
>>> can do if the level goes below 20%.  That's not what I was interested
>>> in.  Am I correct that Win 11 has no built in way to manage the top
>>> charging level on it's own?
>>>
>>> So then I started looking for manufacturer options.  This is an HP
>>> laptop, 15-fd0107dx prodID A9PE7UA#ABA, and it appears their support for
>>> this is not the best.  I read more stuff on windows 10 and little on
>>> windows 11.  There are some pages showing what they call HP Power
>>> Manager, but going to their site and allowing them to scan and give
>>> updates and software options it doesn't come up for this laptop.
>>>
>>> I have downloaded a file, sp78633.exe, that looks like it might be the
>>> HP Power Manager software.  I did update the bios from the website and
>>> on the bios configuration tab it had something called Adaptive Battery
>>> Optimizer (enabled), but can't see where it does anything.  I do have
>>> the full setup macrium image all made in case I screw something up.
>>>
>>> I guess my second question is does anyone have this Power Manager stuff
>>> from HP on a Windows 11 system and know where to get it, or in the
>>> alternative I guess I could try running the sp78633.exe file and see
>>> what happens?
>>>
>>> Any suggestions welcomed!
>>
>>
>> My HP laptop (series G5) has the HP Battery Health Manager.
>> It is a BIOS-level option. The settings are in the BIOS.
>> I updated it a few years ago by flashing a new BIOS.
>>
>> My guess is the file sp78633.exe may be for flashing the BIOS on
>> certain HP models only.  I don't know what it might do to your
>> wife's HP laptop.
>>
>> See this HP support page.  Note the words "BIOS-level" and
>> "found in most HP business notebooks."
>>
>> <https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/ish_4449597-3519507-16>
>>
>>      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>      HP Business Notebook PCs - HP Battery Health Manager
>>   
>>      HP Battery Health Manager is a BIOS-level setting found in most
>>      HP business notebooks. It is designed to optimize battery health
>>      by minimizing the notebook battery exposure to key factors, such
>>      as high state-of-charge, which can accelerate the natural
>>      degradation and chemical aging of the battery over time.
>>      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> BIOS image flashers, usually check the model identifier string
> in the BIOS, to validate whether the new image is for the machine.


I'm not even going to try and run the sp78633.exe file.  You guys have 
convinced me it probably won't work.




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