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  Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 17:48 -0500
    Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall D <noreply@mixmin.net> - 2025-02-19 00:57 +0000
      Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 20:01 -0500
        Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall me <invalid@invalid.org> - 2025-02-18 20:48 -0500
          Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 21:03 -0500
            Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-19 09:21 -0500
              Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-19 10:20 -0500
                Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-19 11:35 -0500
                  Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-19 11:51 -0500
                    Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-19 12:03 -0500
              Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-19 17:45 +0000
                Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-19 16:04 -0500
              Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-24 05:34 +0000
                Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-24 08:57 -0500
                Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-24 10:02 -0500
                  Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 01:31 +0000
          Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-19 09:20 -0500
          Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-02-20 21:17 +0100
        Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 18:50 -0700
        Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-19 04:30 -0500
          Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-19 05:20 -0500
            Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-02-19 12:20 +0000
              Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-19 07:26 -0500
              Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-02-19 12:30 +0000
                Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-19 09:24 -0500
        Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-02-20 21:18 +0100
          Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-20 15:49 -0500
            Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-20 16:49 -0500
              Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-20 17:19 -0500
    Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-02-19 02:03 +0000
      Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 21:17 -0500
        Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-02-19 13:50 +0000
          Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-19 09:16 -0500
          Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-19 09:23 -0500
            Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-02-19 15:30 +0000
              Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-19 10:36 -0500
              Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-19 11:36 -0500
          Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-19 17:57 +0000
          Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-21 22:10 +1100
            Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-03-10 18:10 +0000
              Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-10 14:43 -0400
              Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 16:49 -0400
                Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-03-12 23:10 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-13 03:16 -0400
                    Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-03-14 19:50 +0000
            Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-12 21:13 -0400
        Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall eternal@notreally.com (Juancho) - 2025-02-19 19:08 +0000
          Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-19 14:26 -0500
          Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-19 20:00 +0000
            Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-19 15:01 -0500
              Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-20 21:30 +0000
          Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-20 07:24 -0500
      Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-02-19 13:01 +0000
    Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall George Ruch <george.ruch74@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 15:25 -0600
      Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-03-10 16:56 -0500
        Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-11 01:46 -0400
          Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-11 08:25 -0400
            Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-03-11 12:40 +0000
              Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-11 11:06 -0400
      Re: Microsoft just put this controversial Notepad feature behind a paywall Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-10 21:04 -0400

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#17228

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>> No, I did the correct thing, this article and my commentary was
>> relevant to Windows 11 and to Linux advocacy, you can take your wise-
>> ass attitude out the door.
>
>There's no particular advocacy in this group.
>
>Neither do we come over and sell copies of Windows in COLA.
>
>The feature in question is opt-in. You have to click something
>to trigger it.
>
>And if you really really really are such a dumb fuck as to
>need this feature... it's available for FREE in the regular
>CoPilot.
>
>*******
>
><Copilot session>
>
>Can you rewrite the following text for me ?
>
>Writing is often the most dreaded task when tackling a big project in Excel.
>Whether summarizing data or presenting findings, it's hard to know where to
>start or how to make your writing sound good. Luckily, if you use AI to
>rewrite text, you can eliminate much of this stress. In this guide, we'll
>go over the rewriting capabilities of AI and show you how it can help you
>write better and faster when working with Excel. You’ll also see how you
>can start with a pencil to rewrite text immediately with numerous prompts
>and examples.
>
>Certainly! Here's a revised version of the text:
>
>Tackling a large project in Excel often makes writing feel like a daunting task.
>Whether it's summarizing data or presenting findings, it's tough to know where
>to begin or how to make your writing shine. Thankfully, using AI to rewrite text
>can alleviate much of this stress. In this guide, we'll explore the rewriting
>capabilities of AI and demonstrate how it can help you write more effectively
>and efficiently when working with Excel. You’ll also discover how to quickly
>rewrite text with a pencil using numerous prompts and examples.
>
><CoPilot> What do you think of this version?    (Thumbs up)
>
>It can take advertising mush and make advertising mush from it. Amazing!
>It even comes with a Ginsu knife.
>
>What a time to be alive.


I have Copilot as a Web app, under Linux, I like M$'s spin on AI chat,
but the way Win11 integrates it is abominable.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#17232

Joel wrote:

> I have Copilot as a Web app, under Linux, I like M$'s spin on AI chat,
> but the way Win11 integrates it is abominable.

For the small amount I've used Copilot, just the sidebar in Edge browser 
was easy enough, rather than an app.

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#17233

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

>> I have Copilot as a Web app, under Linux, I like M$'s spin on AI chat,
>> but the way Win11 integrates it is abominable.
>
>For the small amount I've used Copilot, just the sidebar in Edge browser 
>was easy enough, rather than an app.


Right, it's equivalent to that, I have a subscription to WebCatalog
which turns it into an app, but it's really just a custom browser
window.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#17234

Andy Burns wrote:

> For the small amount I've used Copilot, just the sidebar in Edge browser 
> was easy enough, rather than an app.

Oh, just looking at it again, it seems to have changed, where it 
previously started as an empty chat session with an input field at the 
bottom, it now seems to be stuffed full of suggested topics and 
recommended stories ...

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#17243

On Wed, 2/19/2025 7:30 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> Andy Burns wrote:
> 
>> For the small amount I've used Copilot, just the sidebar in Edge browser was easy enough, rather than an app.
> 
> Oh, just looking at it again, it seems to have changed, where it previously started as an empty chat session
> with an input field at the bottom, it now seems to be stuffed full of suggested topics and recommended stories ...

The difference between the two, is the icon in the upper right of
the MSEdge window, seems to be "anchored" to your ID better than
the separate CoPilot icon in the taskbar. It uses your ID, so as you
switch from device to device, your CoPilot "session" could follow you.

The interface alternates between the msn.com quality "fill" and
the option of just asking you to input your query. The graphics
at startup are not a constant. The fill may be local time of day
sensitive (like having an article about the best way to fry
a sausage, at breakfast time).

   Paul

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#17293

On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 20:01:31 -0500, Joel wrote:

> No, I did the correct thing, this article and my commentary was
> relevant to Windows 11 and to Linux advocacy, you can take your wise-
> ass attitude out the door.

Its flame bait, that's what it is. Ctrl+K, you know what that means;
we're using the same newsreader.

-- 
s|b

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#17295

On 2/20/2025 3:18 PM, s|b wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 20:01:31 -0500, Joel wrote:
> 
>> No, I did the correct thing, this article and my commentary was
>> relevant to Windows 11 and to Linux advocacy, you can take your wise-
>> ass attitude out the door.
> 
> Its flame bait, that's what it is. Ctrl+K, you know what that means;
> we're using the same newsreader.
> 
     I seem to have missed something. Microsoft is charging for an
extra function that helps semi-literate people write something
coherent? That sounds reasonable to me. They charge for MS
Office.

   But Ctl+K has me stumped. I looked through the Notepad
menu. No Ctl+K. In TBird is seems to open a search window
that I've never seen before. But then I accidentally closed TBird
because it opened a tab, not a window.

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#17300

On Thu, 2/20/2025 3:49 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 2/20/2025 3:18 PM, s|b wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 20:01:31 -0500, Joel wrote:
>>
>>> No, I did the correct thing, this article and my commentary was
>>> relevant to Windows 11 and to Linux advocacy, you can take your wise-
>>> ass attitude out the door.
>>
>> Its flame bait, that's what it is. Ctrl+K, you know what that means;
>> we're using the same newsreader.
>>
>     I seem to have missed something. Microsoft is charging for an
> extra function that helps semi-literate people write something
> coherent? That sounds reasonable to me. They charge for MS
> Office.
> 
>   But Ctl+K has me stumped. I looked through the Notepad
> menu. No Ctl+K. In TBird is seems to open a search window
> that I've never seen before. But then I accidentally closed TBird
> because it opened a tab, not a window.

Forteagent
   Ctrl+K    New Kill Filter

*******

   [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/cLYV7Rqc/notepad-settings-rewrite.gif

It is not turned on by default.

Tested in win11 Home with MSA (pin).
(Tested that it is OFF :-) Not interested in syntax/content testing. )

As for AI writing text, this is definitely an acquired taste.
Your English composition teacher would not approve. The problem
is, the AI tends to reuse elements of what you provide, rather
than selecting more concise/precise wording. The AI does not
know what you are thinking. The AI does not play the 20 questions
game. In short, it's not intelligent, consequently the text cannot
acquire the earmarks of intelligence by some miracle or accident.

When I threw in contextually inappropriate material at the
end of some sample text, the AI just sucked it up like honey
and pasted it back down on the page. It does not matter to the
Ai, that the sentence as rewritten, makes no sense.

I'm not expecting anything laudable to come from this.
Until the Ai understands your intention, seeks clarification,
it's never going to improve the message. It can't. It's been
given a load of rubbish, and of necessity, rubbish has to come
out the other end.

    Paul

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#17303

On 2/20/2025 4:49 PM, Paul wrote:

> Forteagent
>     Ctrl+K    New Kill Filter
> 
Ah. Esoteric secrets.

> *******
> 
>     [Picture]
> 
>      https://i.postimg.cc/cLYV7Rqc/notepad-settings-rewrite.gif
> 
> It is not turned on by default.
> 
> Tested in win11 Home with MSA (pin).
> (Tested that it is OFF :-) Not interested in syntax/content testing. )
> 
> As for AI writing text, this is definitely an acquired taste.

    I'm beginning to get the hang of recognizing this stuff. It
tends to use quirky expressions, mixed tense, and generaly says
surprisingly little of substance. I think we're in for a frustrating
future with the written word, as people use AI for docmentation,
help files and ever essays. "But don't worry. You should be afraid
since I'll have some meaning here soon."

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#17221

On Feb 18, 2025 at 5:48:11 PM EST, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/microsoft-just-put-this-controversial-notepad-feature-behind-a-paywall
> 
> 
> You have to be kidding me.  This is what dumbasses running Win11 are
> paying good money to obtain?  And Linux is *free*?  How is that
> reality, where the free product is the only one worth using?  What era
> is this, FFS?  Fuck M$ and Apple too, their hardware is overpriced but
> required to use their OS.  Linux is the only option, for someone with
> sanity.

Lighten up, Francis.  

Did you even read the article? Notepad is still free.  If you want to use the
alleged "AI" features, then you need to have a Microsoft 365 subscription.

I don't have one and never will.  I paid $18 of "good money" for Windows 11
Arm Pro. I run it (on the rare occasions I want to run Windows 11) in a VMWare
Fusion VM on this Mac.  VMWare is also free.  

Besides, the free Notepad++ is way better than Windows Notepad any day.

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#17223

Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:

>> https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/microsoft-just-put-this-controversial-notepad-feature-behind-a-paywall
>> 
>> 
>> You have to be kidding me.  This is what dumbasses running Win11 are
>> paying good money to obtain?  And Linux is *free*?  How is that
>> reality, where the free product is the only one worth using?  What era
>> is this, FFS?  Fuck M$ and Apple too, their hardware is overpriced but
>> required to use their OS.  Linux is the only option, for someone with
>> sanity.
>
>Lighten up, Francis.  
>
>Did you even read the article? Notepad is still free.  If you want to use the
>alleged "AI" features, then you need to have a Microsoft 365 subscription.
>
>I don't have one and never will.  I paid $18 of "good money" for Windows 11
>Arm Pro. I run it (on the rare occasions I want to run Windows 11) in a VMWare
>Fusion VM on this Mac.  VMWare is also free.  
>
>Besides, the free Notepad++ is way better than Windows Notepad any day.


Running Windows in a VM is one thing, I'm using Wine as I type this to
run Forte Agent as my preferred NNTP client, under Linux, but putting
Win11 on bare metal just makes no sense, unless you have very recent
hardware.  M$ is not supporting stuff for long, even Win10
realistically requires a certain threshold to perform well, and 11 is
just insane.  And Apple is a money pit.  Linux is the only option.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#17238

On Feb 18, 2025 at 9:17:46 PM EST, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
> 
>>> https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/microsoft-just-put-this-controversial-notepad-feature-behind-a-paywall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You have to be kidding me.  This is what dumbasses running Win11 are
>>> paying good money to obtain?  And Linux is *free*?  How is that
>>> reality, where the free product is the only one worth using?  What era
>>> is this, FFS?  Fuck M$ and Apple too, their hardware is overpriced but
>>> required to use their OS.  Linux is the only option, for someone with
>>> sanity.
>> 
>> Lighten up, Francis.
>> 
>> Did you even read the article? Notepad is still free.  If you want to use the
>> alleged "AI" features, then you need to have a Microsoft 365 subscription.
>> 
>> I don't have one and never will.  I paid $18 of "good money" for Windows 11
>> Arm Pro. I run it (on the rare occasions I want to run Windows 11) in a VMWare
>> Fusion VM on this Mac.  VMWare is also free.
>> 
>> Besides, the free Notepad++ is way better than Windows Notepad any day.
> 
> 
> Running Windows in a VM is one thing, I'm using Wine as I type this to
> run Forte Agent as my preferred NNTP client, under Linux, but putting
> Win11 on bare metal just makes no sense, unless you have very recent
> hardware.  M$ is not supporting stuff for long, even Win10
> realistically requires a certain threshold to perform well, and 11 is
> just insane.  And Apple is a money pit.  Linux is the only option.

Linux is AN option.   Certainly not the best for most users.  

Apple only seems like a "money pit" when you are young and broke.  When you
grow up and start making real money, Apple is just fine. 

I know because I once was young and broke. Now I am older, wiser and have
money.

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#17239

Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:

>>>> https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/microsoft-just-put-this-controversial-notepad-feature-behind-a-paywall
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> You have to be kidding me.  This is what dumbasses running Win11 are
>>>> paying good money to obtain?  And Linux is *free*?  How is that
>>>> reality, where the free product is the only one worth using?  What era
>>>> is this, FFS?  Fuck M$ and Apple too, their hardware is overpriced but
>>>> required to use their OS.  Linux is the only option, for someone with
>>>> sanity.
>>> 
>>> Lighten up, Francis.
>>> 
>>> Did you even read the article? Notepad is still free.  If you want to use the
>>> alleged "AI" features, then you need to have a Microsoft 365 subscription.
>>> 
>>> I don't have one and never will.  I paid $18 of "good money" for Windows 11
>>> Arm Pro. I run it (on the rare occasions I want to run Windows 11) in a VMWare
>>> Fusion VM on this Mac.  VMWare is also free.
>>> 
>>> Besides, the free Notepad++ is way better than Windows Notepad any day.
>> 
>> Running Windows in a VM is one thing, I'm using Wine as I type this to
>> run Forte Agent as my preferred NNTP client, under Linux, but putting
>> Win11 on bare metal just makes no sense, unless you have very recent
>> hardware.  M$ is not supporting stuff for long, even Win10
>> realistically requires a certain threshold to perform well, and 11 is
>> just insane.  And Apple is a money pit.  Linux is the only option.
>
>Linux is AN option.   Certainly not the best for most users.  
>
>Apple only seems like a "money pit" when you are young and broke.  When you
>grow up and start making real money, Apple is just fine. 
>
>I know because I once was young and broke. Now I am older, wiser and have
>money.


Even if I were rich, I'd be using the same thing I am right now,
because I don't overbuy, that's what commercial software coerces one
to do, Linux gives one an option that isn't overbearing.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#17242

On 2025-02-19 8:50 a.m., Tyrone wrote:
> On Feb 18, 2025 at 9:17:46 PM EST, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
>>
>>>> https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/microsoft-just-put-this-controversial-notepad-feature-behind-a-paywall
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You have to be kidding me.  This is what dumbasses running Win11 are
>>>> paying good money to obtain?  And Linux is *free*?  How is that
>>>> reality, where the free product is the only one worth using?  What era
>>>> is this, FFS?  Fuck M$ and Apple too, their hardware is overpriced but
>>>> required to use their OS.  Linux is the only option, for someone with
>>>> sanity.
>>>
>>> Lighten up, Francis.
>>>
>>> Did you even read the article? Notepad is still free.  If you want to use the
>>> alleged "AI" features, then you need to have a Microsoft 365 subscription.
>>>
>>> I don't have one and never will.  I paid $18 of "good money" for Windows 11
>>> Arm Pro. I run it (on the rare occasions I want to run Windows 11) in a VMWare
>>> Fusion VM on this Mac.  VMWare is also free.
>>>
>>> Besides, the free Notepad++ is way better than Windows Notepad any day.
>>
>>
>> Running Windows in a VM is one thing, I'm using Wine as I type this to
>> run Forte Agent as my preferred NNTP client, under Linux, but putting
>> Win11 on bare metal just makes no sense, unless you have very recent
>> hardware.  M$ is not supporting stuff for long, even Win10
>> realistically requires a certain threshold to perform well, and 11 is
>> just insane.  And Apple is a money pit.  Linux is the only option.
> 
> Linux is AN option.   Certainly not the best for most users.
> 
> Apple only seems like a "money pit" when you are young and broke.  When you
> grow up and start making real money, Apple is just fine.
> 
> I know because I once was young and broke. Now I am older, wiser and have
> money.

The mere fact that changing the battery, RAM or the storage in Macs is 
impossible now makes it a terrible choice for people who like to hold 
onto their hardware for a while. If none of the above is important to 
you though, it's a nice little system.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#17245

On Feb 19, 2025 at 9:23:31 AM EST, "CrudeSausage" <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

> The mere fact that changing the battery, RAM or the storage in Macs is
> impossible now makes it a terrible choice for people who like to hold
> onto their hardware for a while. If none of the above is important to
> you though, it's a nice little system.

Actually, its a nice big system. 12 Arm CPUs (M2), 48GB RAM, 1 TB storage and
16" screen. Runs MacOS (Unix) and Windows 11 at the same time without even
getting warm.

I have a second screen (18") that plugs into a USB-C port.  More storage is
also easy via USB-C ports. I have plenty of RAM.  

Batteries rarely go bad when you know how to treat them. I have a 10 year old
iPad Air 2 that still works fine.  I have an 8 year old iPhone 8 plus that
still has 99% battery health. 

The fact is, only real hardware geeks care about "upgrading".  Most people are
not computer hobbyists and/or hardware geeks. I used to be (many years ago)
but I am no longer interested in that. I have a real life now.  

A "computer" for most people today is just an appliance.  And you can't
"upgrade" any other common appliances.  TVs, microwave ovens, radios,
dishwashers, refrigerators, phones/tablets/etc. You use it until you outgrow
it. You then sell it and get a new one.  Just like any other appliance. 

And Apple stuff has high resale value.  Win/Win.

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#17246

Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
>On Feb 19, 2025 at 9:23:31?AM EST, "CrudeSausage" <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>
>> The mere fact that changing the battery, RAM or the storage in Macs is
>> impossible now makes it a terrible choice for people who like to hold
>> onto their hardware for a while. If none of the above is important to
>> you though, it's a nice little system.
>
>Actually, its a nice big system. 12 Arm CPUs (M2), 48GB RAM, 1 TB storage and
>16" screen. Runs MacOS (Unix) and Windows 11 at the same time without even
>getting warm.
>
>I have a second screen (18") that plugs into a USB-C port.  More storage is
>also easy via USB-C ports. I have plenty of RAM.  
>
>Batteries rarely go bad when you know how to treat them. I have a 10 year old
>iPad Air 2 that still works fine.  I have an 8 year old iPhone 8 plus that
>still has 99% battery health. 
>
>The fact is, only real hardware geeks care about "upgrading".  Most people are
>not computer hobbyists and/or hardware geeks. I used to be (many years ago)
>but I am no longer interested in that. I have a real life now.  
>
>A "computer" for most people today is just an appliance.  And you can't
>"upgrade" any other common appliances.  TVs, microwave ovens, radios,
>dishwashers, refrigerators, phones/tablets/etc. You use it until you outgrow
>it. You then sell it and get a new one.  Just like any other appliance. 
>
>And Apple stuff has high resale value.  Win/Win.


This gets into my reasoning on using Linux, though, my computer
started life with Windows 10 20H2, shortly thereafter upgraded to 11,
on the bleeding edge, and it was very nice, but it's insane how
quickly that began to change with Copilot and 23H2.  Linux gives me
something to keep the machine going for years and years, not needing
costly upgrades all the time, I did order a new WiFi adapter, to
replace the motherboard's integrated WiFi6, seems the chips are worn
out, but that's a small upgrade, $30 or so, not like remaking the
whole device.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#17248

On 2025-02-19 10:30 a.m., Tyrone wrote:
> On Feb 19, 2025 at 9:23:31 AM EST, "CrudeSausage" <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> 
>> The mere fact that changing the battery, RAM or the storage in Macs is
>> impossible now makes it a terrible choice for people who like to hold
>> onto their hardware for a while. If none of the above is important to
>> you though, it's a nice little system.
> 
> Actually, its a nice big system. 12 Arm CPUs (M2), 48GB RAM, 1 TB storage and
> 16" screen. Runs MacOS (Unix) and Windows 11 at the same time without even
> getting warm.
> 
> I have a second screen (18") that plugs into a USB-C port.  More storage is
> also easy via USB-C ports. I have plenty of RAM.
> 
> Batteries rarely go bad when you know how to treat them. I have a 10 year old
> iPad Air 2 that still works fine.  I have an 8 year old iPhone 8 plus that
> still has 99% battery health.
> 
> The fact is, only real hardware geeks care about "upgrading".  Most people are
> not computer hobbyists and/or hardware geeks. I used to be (many years ago)
> but I am no longer interested in that. I have a real life now.
> 
> A "computer" for most people today is just an appliance.  And you can't
> "upgrade" any other common appliances.  TVs, microwave ovens, radios,
> dishwashers, refrigerators, phones/tablets/etc. You use it until you outgrow
> it. You then sell it and get a new one.  Just like any other appliance.
> 
> And Apple stuff has high resale value.  Win/Win.

I'll concede on the last part, at the very least. I'm curious how you 
managed to get an eight-year-old battery to maintain 99% health after so 
long though.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#17253

On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 13:50:15 +0000, Tyrone wrote:


> Linux is AN option.   Certainly not the best for most users.
> 
> Apple only seems like a "money pit" when you are young and broke.  When
> you grow up and start making real money, Apple is just fine.
> 
> I know because I once was young and broke. Now I am older, wiser and
> have money.

I was younger but not broke in the Apple II era. I wasn't impressed and 
nobody wanted to pay me to develop Apple software. I'm sure they're fine 
products but the only Apple device I've owned is a shuffle I was gifted. 
Cute, but iTunes on Windows sucks. 

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#17323

On 20/02/2025 12:50 am, Tyrone wrote:
> On Feb 18, 2025 at 9:17:46 PM EST, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> 
> wrote:

<Snip>

>> Running Windows in a VM is one thing, I'm using Wine as I type
>> this to run Forte Agent as my preferred NNTP client, under Linux,
>> but putting Win11 on bare metal just makes no sense, unless you
>> have very recent hardware.  M$ is not supporting stuff for long,
>> even Win10 realistically requires a certain threshold to perform
>> well, and 11 is just insane.  And Apple is a money pit.  Linux is
>> the only option.
> 
> Linux is AN option.   Certainly not the best for most users.

"Certainly not the best for most users" ..... because they have Windows
and.or Apple shoved down their throats from, what, Primary/Elementary
School days .... so that they will be locked onto those tracks for life
.... unless they get adventurous and try something else!!
-- 
Daniel70

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#17661

Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote at 11:10 this Friday (GMT):
> On 20/02/2025 12:50 am, Tyrone wrote:
>> On Feb 18, 2025 at 9:17:46 PM EST, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>
><Snip>
>
>>> Running Windows in a VM is one thing, I'm using Wine as I type
>>> this to run Forte Agent as my preferred NNTP client, under Linux,
>>> but putting Win11 on bare metal just makes no sense, unless you
>>> have very recent hardware.  M$ is not supporting stuff for long,
>>> even Win10 realistically requires a certain threshold to perform
>>> well, and 11 is just insane.  And Apple is a money pit.  Linux is
>>> the only option.
>> 
>> Linux is AN option.   Certainly not the best for most users.
>
> "Certainly not the best for most users" ..... because they have Windows
> and.or Apple shoved down their throats from, what, Primary/Elementary
> School days .... so that they will be locked onto those tracks for life
> .... unless they get adventurous and try something else!!


And companies refuse to try anything else.
-- 
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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