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  Firefox bad design decisions? Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> - 2025-04-30 00:54 -0400
    Re: Firefox bad design decisions? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:48 -0700
      Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Shinji Ikari <shinji@gmx.net> - 2025-04-30 09:18 +0200
    Re: Firefox bad design decisions? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-30 20:00 +0000
    Re: Firefox “bad” design decisions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 00:04 +0000
      Re: Firefox “bad” design decisions? Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> - 2025-05-01 02:39 -0400
        Re: Firefox “bad” design decisions? Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2025-05-01 09:52 +0200

#18825 — Firefox bad design decisions?

What is wrong with Firefox developers always making bad design decisions?

Firefox: 
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close multiple tabs
(3) Left click on close other tabs

A user-friendly efficient browser: {Pale Moon}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

A user-friendly efficient browser: {SRWare Iron}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

A user-friendly efficient browser: {Sea Monkey}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Ice Dragon}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Epic}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Opera}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Chromium}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Brave}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Ice Weasel}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Iridium}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Vivaldi}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Microsoft Edge}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

Is there any way to get Firefox to be more user friendly?

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#18826

On 4/29/25 9:54 PM, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> What is wrong with Firefox developers always making bad design decisions?
> 
> Firefox:
> (1) Right click on any tab
> (2) Left click on close multiple tabs
> (3) Left click on close other tabs

That is what I am seeing:
     https://imgur.com/S5DwiAz.png
And I like it.

Are you complaining about one extra click?

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#18827

Hello

T <T@invalid.invalid> schrieb

>> What is wrong with Firefox developers always making bad design decisions?
>> Firefox:
>> (1) Right click on any tab
>> (2) Left click on close multiple tabs
>> (3) Left click on close other tabs
>That is what I am seeing:
>     https://imgur.com/S5DwiAz.png
>And I like it.
>
>Are you complaining about one extra click?

Yes he is.
When I right click on tabs I see the same (localized), but really:
I never needed to right click them.
Moving: yes
closing: yes
opening new tab: yes
right click tabs: no.

Maybe I am to old.

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#18854

Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> wrote at 04:54 this Wednesday (GMT):
> What is wrong with Firefox developers always making bad design decisions?
>
> Firefox: 
> (1) Right click on any tab
> (2) Left click on close multiple tabs
> (3) Left click on close other tabs
>
> A user-friendly efficient browser: {Pale Moon}
> (1) Right click on any tab
> (2) Left click on close other tabs
>
> A user-friendly efficient browser: {SRWare Iron}
> (1) Right click on any tab
> (2) Left click on close other tabs
>
> A user-friendly efficient browser: {Sea Monkey}
> (1) Right click on any tab
> (2) Left click on close other tabs
>
> Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Ice Dragon}
> (1) Right click on any tab
> (2) Left click on close other tabs
>
> Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Epic}
> (1) Right click on any tab
> (2) Left click on close other tabs
>
> Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Opera}
> (1) Right click on any tab
> (2) Left click on close other tabs
>
> Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Chromium}
> (1) Right click on any tab
> (2) Left click on close other tabs
>
> Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Brave}
> (1) Right click on any tab
> (2) Left click on close other tabs
>
> Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Ice Weasel}
> (1) Right click on any tab
> (2) Left click on close other tabs
>
> Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Iridium}
> (1) Right click on any tab
> (2) Left click on close other tabs
>
> Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Vivaldi}
> (1) Right click on any tab
> (2) Left click on close other tabs
>
> Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Microsoft Edge}
> (1) Right click on any tab
> (2) Left click on close other tabs
>
> Is there any way to get Firefox to be more user friendly?


You can hover over "close multiple tabs" for a second to have it open
automatically.
-- 
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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#18858 — Re: Firefox “bad” design decisions?

On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 00:54:37 -0400, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:

> Firefox:
> (1) Right click on any tab
> (2) Left click on close multiple tabs
> (3) Left click on close other tabs

Or how about

(1) Right click on any tab
(2) mouse over “Close Multiple Tabs”, to get to
(3) Left click on “Close other tabs”.

That’s just 2 clicks, same as any other browser. Or even 1 click, if you 
hold the button down in step (1) and don’t release it until step (3).

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#18865 — Re: Firefox “bad” design decisions?

On Thu, 1 May 2025 00:04:21 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 00:54:37 -0400, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> 
>> Firefox:
>> (1) Right click on any tab
>> (2) Left click on close multiple tabs
>> (3) Left click on close other tabs
> 
> Or how about
> 
> (1) Right click on any tab
> (2) mouse over "Close Multiple Tabs", to get to
> (3) Left click on "Close other tabs".
> 
> That's just 2 clicks, same as any other browser. Or even 1 click, if you 
> hold the button down in step (1) and don't release it until step (3).

Hovering is even more annoying than a simple solid click would be.

I suspect Firefox developers don't actually use FF in daily use since it's
something you do a hundred times a day & every other browser does it right.

Two people on the FF newsgroup suggested these extensions to fix it.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/close-all-tabs-webextension/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/close-other-tabs-menu/

The first doesn't do what is wanted which is to close all but the one tab.
The second does what's wanted, which is to close all but the current tab.
 https://github.com/constructor-s/close-other-tabs
 The "Close Other Tabs" was removed from the regular location 
 and put in a submenu in Firefox version 78. This extension re-adds
 that menu item back to a more convenient location. 
 See also other siblings of this extension:
 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/close-tabs-right/
 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/close-tabs-left/

It's perfect. It puts at the bottom of the rightclick on a tab menu
 "Close Other Tabs"

To see what they do, I tried the other two extensions (right & left).
 "Close Tabs to the Left"
 "Close Tabs to the Right"

Now Firefox is back to being useful again. 
Thanks for the expert help and advice."

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#18869 — Re: Firefox “bad” design decisions?

On 01.05.2025 08:39, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:

>>> Firefox:
>>> (1) Right click on any tab
>>> (2) Left click on close multiple tabs
>>> (3) Left click on close other tabs

> I suspect Firefox developers don't actually use FF in daily use since it's
> something you do a hundred times a day & every other browser does it right.

I use Firefox since the days it was called "Netscape 2.0", but I never
wanted to close all tabs with exception of the active one. But it is
important that closing the current tab is simple and fast. Therefore
I use mouse button 4 to close the current tab. No need to move the
mouse pointer, wherever it is, just press button 4 and the tab is closed.
I also use button 5 (instead of the middle mouse button) to open a
link in a new tab and make the new tab the active tab. This way,
with only the thumb, you can open a link in a new tab, do some reading
(scroll with the mouse wheel) and close it. Because the mouse wasn't
moved, you are then back in the original tab with the same mouse pointer
position as before.


> Now Firefox is back to being useful again.
> Thanks for the expert help and advice."

You can't please everyone, everyone has different preferences.

But I like the new way to zoom in Firefox. <CTRL>-mouse_wheel
changes the DPI and therefore font size, but requires a new
rendering of the page which results in a different layout.
I now additional use <ALT>-mouse_wheel to zoom-in like you do
it on a smartphone. A click on the 100% button resets both zooms.

This can be done by opening about:config and changing
"mousewheel.with_alt.action" from 2 to 5.


Valid values:
0: Nothing happens
1: Scrolling contents
2: Go back or go forward, in your history
3: Zoom in or out (reflowing zoom).
4: Treat vertical wheel as horizontal scroll
5: Zoom in or out (pinch zoom).

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