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| Started by | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2026-09-15 21:48 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-09-18 18:25 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 781 — 39 participants |
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Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 21:48 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-16 03:17 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 23:35 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 21:29 -0700
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:51 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:36 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 12:03 -0700
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 01:49 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 02:44 -0700
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 20:29 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:45 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 02:30 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:38 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:43 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:47 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:54 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 17:59 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:38 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:13 -0700
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:22 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 06:56 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 07:19 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 01:54 -0700
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:24 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-16 12:36 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 10:11 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 12:20 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:58 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 13:26 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-18 00:49 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:10 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 20:01 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 16:23 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:42 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 18:09 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 23:02 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:08 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 00:33 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 21:20 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-18 16:05 -0500
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 17:09 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 17:19 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:47 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 23:13 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-19 19:56 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:42 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-20 21:24 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:18 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 04:51 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 19:18 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 13:13 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:33 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 18:46 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:52 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 20:02 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 21:21 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-19 18:33 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-19 21:24 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 04:03 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 04:21 -0400
screen shape/orientation (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:31 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:45 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:57 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:39 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 15:04 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:29 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 22:47 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 20:36 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:14 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-20 11:26 -0500
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:32 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 06:16 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:41 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:30 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:57 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:01 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 17:19 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:02 -0500
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 19:23 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:30 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:12 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:47 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:29 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:26 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:36 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:44 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:29 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:34 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 08:28 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:49 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:40 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:43 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:38 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:11 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 19:55 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-23 19:20 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 00:27 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:31 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 09:18 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:05 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:18 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:13 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-26 16:23 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 18:55 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:43 +1000
Gigaset M740AV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 20:25 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 13:43 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 20:39 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 06:51 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:24 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:11 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:18 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:41 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 11:57 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:48 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:25 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:46 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 16:47 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:28 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:33 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:03 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:42 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:34 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:36 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:14 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:39 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-26 17:14 -0500
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 22:16 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:24 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:37 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:42 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:32 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:46 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:03 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:16 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 07:19 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:37 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:38 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:32 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 00:10 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 21:46 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 23:27 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 08:12 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:05 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-28 20:46 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 12:03 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:37 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-26 19:14 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:10 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 02:20 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 07:50 +0100
OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 18:59 +0100
Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:52 +0000
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-23 02:29 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:40 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:38 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 19:46 -0400
Re: OT - TV Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:42 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:04 -0400
OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 06:45 +0100
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 04:10 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:39 +0100
Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 13:17 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:23 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:44 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:39 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:11 +0200
Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-26 11:47 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:08 +0100
Re: OT - TV Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:58 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:30 +0100
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:10 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:03 +0100
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:20 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-28 15:45 +0000
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:30 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:46 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:25 +0100
Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 16:40 +0100
OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 16:58 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:57 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:00 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) André Coutanche <acoutanche@gmx.co.uk> - 2026-09-29 21:50 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:33 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 22:48 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:07 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 15:51 -0700
Re: OT - Lehrer c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 21:02 -0400
Re: OT - Lehrer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:22 -0500
Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:01 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 10:57 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 08:10 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:39 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-30 00:46 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:39 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:25 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:34 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:31 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 14:47 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:58 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:36 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:12 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:35 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 16:14 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:35 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:53 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 19:03 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 21:50 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:25 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer marika <marika5000@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 00:03 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:13 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:51 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:55 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-30 14:15 +0000
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +1000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:52 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:13 +1000
Re: OT - TV Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-10-08 21:51 +0200
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 11:56 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:28 +0200
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 15:28 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 10:19 +0200
[OT] - audio distribution, Rediffusion-style (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:43 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 11:44 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:12 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 18:12 +0100
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:23 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:34 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:46 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-29 12:01 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:05 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:13 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Other John <nomail@here.org> - 2026-09-29 16:53 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:12 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:23 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0100
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:37 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:28 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:35 +0200
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:15 +0100
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:15 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:24 +0200
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-01 17:17 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:48 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 13:32 +0100
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:52 +0000
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-03 21:10 +1000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:39 +0200
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:11 -0400
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-04 21:26 +1100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:19 +0200
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:36 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:18 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:47 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 12:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:09 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 15:59 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-03 15:56 +0000
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 17:19 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:54 +0000
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:27 -0400
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 07:55 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:54 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:17 +0000
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-05 11:29 +0100
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-05 11:46 +0100
Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-06 17:51 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 18:58 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 20:36 +0200
Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-07 09:00 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:04 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:21 +0200
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-07 11:54 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:37 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:51 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:04 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-08 22:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:15 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:00 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:06 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2026-10-07 15:29 +0100
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-08 15:49 +0100
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:12 -0400
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-08 22:17 +0100
Re: OT - TV Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2026-10-09 08:12 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:54 +0200
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:40 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 12:47 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 00:23 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 18:41 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-03 22:52 +0100
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 21:24 -0400
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 08:08 +0000
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-04 09:29 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:54 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:15 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:27 +0200
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:13 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:19 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:57 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 13:54 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:34 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:22 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:37 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:37 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 13:08 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:50 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 03:29 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:53 +0200
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:49 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:57 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:19 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:34 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:51 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:52 +0000
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 07:52 +0100
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 03:15 -0400
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:51 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:16 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:12 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:06 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 01:31 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:21 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:37 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 00:03 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:15 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:16 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:48 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:16 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:07 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:20 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:18 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:06 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:22 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:34 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:25 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:30 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 15:04 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:39 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:13 +0100
Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-28 09:39 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 11:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:04 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:42 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 16:45 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:53 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 19:26 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:25 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 09:43 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:56 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 10:41 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 13:39 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:04 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 14:19 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:47 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 20:01 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:06 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:25 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 01:15 +0000
Re: OT - TV Carlos <crazyhotwrse8@stinty.org> - 2026-10-03 20:41 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 21:28 -0400
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 17:16 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:50 +0100
[OT] - power (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 19:05 +0100
Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 19:15 +0100
Re: [OT] - power "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0200
Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:00 +0100
Re: [OT] - power c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:30 -0400
Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:47 +0100
Re: [OT] - power Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-30 13:28 -0400
Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:24 +0100
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-29 14:58 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:04 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:52 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:01 +0100
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 10:40 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 11:29 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:59 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:25 +0100
[OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 23:54 +0100
Re: [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 00:57 +0000
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 08:51 +0100
Re: [OT] energy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 04:40 -0400
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:19 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:20 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 19:32 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 20:02 +0100
Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 19:03 +0000
Re: [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-05 06:40 -0500
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 20:18 +1000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:54 +0100
Re: OT - TV Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-27 16:46 +0000
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-29 21:15 +1000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 03:52 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:41 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:58 +1000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:56 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-24 22:24 +1000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:07 +0100
Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 12:53 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:09 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 18:56 +0000
Re: OT - TV Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-25 22:03 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 22:42 +0000
Re: OT - TV Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-26 16:47 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 20:07 +0200
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 16:02 -0400
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 03:50 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:16 +0200
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 18:11 +0000
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-29 21:29 +1000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 20:05 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 10:01 +0100
OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 14:42 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:04 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 15:55 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:18 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:34 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:10 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:29 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 05:12 +0000
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 21:30 +1000
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:54 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:14 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:38 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:06 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:16 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:30 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:24 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:35 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:02 +0200
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:09 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:46 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:22 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:00 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:49 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:46 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:55 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:50 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:35 +0000
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:19 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:27 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:22 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:20 +0000
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:57 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:22 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:43 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:21 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:19 +0200
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:25 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:12 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 00:48 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:09 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:49 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 22:18 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:33 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 07:07 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:33 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:59 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:28 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:28 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 21:03 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:27 +0000
Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:04 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 16:28 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:51 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:20 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 18:26 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:20 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 18:44 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-22 16:05 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 18:31 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:45 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:41 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:09 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:14 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:10 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 21:55 -0400
OT - TV (now radio) (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 09:49 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:32 +0200
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:30 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:36 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:55 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:10 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:09 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:45 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:16 +0000
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:58 +0200
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:05 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:07 +0000
Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:28 -0400
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 01:07 +0200
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:41 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 22:27 -0400
Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:10 +0000
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:39 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 19:36 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 18:27 -0400
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:27 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 13:38 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 15:15 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 17:52 +0000
Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:49 -0400
[OT] = X-rays and medical costs (was: Re: OT - TV (now radio)) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 20:16 +0100
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs (was: Re: OT - TV (now radio)) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 22:35 +0000
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:22 -0400
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 06:58 +0100
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 02:21 -0400
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:33 +0100
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-10-02 13:47 +0100
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 15:17 +0100
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-10-02 16:07 +0100
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:54 -0400
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 10:06 +0100
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:53 -0400
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:55 -0400
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:33 -0400
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 13:51 +0100
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 00:14 -0400
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 17:34 +0000
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 11:35 +0200
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 20:57 -0400
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:31 +0200
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:26 +0100
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:24 +0200
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 23:39 +0100
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 02:14 +0200
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:40 -0400
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:02 -0400
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:52 +0000
Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:28 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 21:55 +0200
Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:28 -0400
Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:04 +0000
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:39 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 22:03 +0200
Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:33 -0400
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 07:08 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:55 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:31 +0000
Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:08 +0000
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:41 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:46 -0400
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:52 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:40 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:44 -0400
Re: OT - TV (now radio) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-03 05:00 +0000
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:48 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:35 +0200
Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:12 -0400
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:19 +0200
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:34 +0200
Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 21:46 -0400
Re: OT - TV (now radio) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 16:07 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:27 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:42 -0400
Re: OT - TV (now radio) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:50 +0000
Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:37 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 22:10 +0200
Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:45 -0400
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 11:41 +0200
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:08 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:06 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:33 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-27 16:23 +0000
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:34 +0200
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:59 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:37 -0400
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:27 +0200
Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:29 +0100
Re: OT - TV (now radio) (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-27 16:51 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:55 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-28 01:28 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 07:12 +0000
OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 17:19 +0100
Re: OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:26 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:18 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-23 17:28 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:21 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 18:26 +0000
OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 20:08 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 21:45 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 20:05 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:22 +0100
OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:43 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:43 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:25 +0000
OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:57 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 21:13 +0200
Re: OT - TV Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-24 17:47 -0500
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:53 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:51 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 08:22 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:01 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:19 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:32 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:50 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 18:40 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:10 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:49 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:20 +0200
OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:13 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:59 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-22 02:20 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:16 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:52 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:35 +0000
OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:51 +0100
Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 08:16 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 15:07 +0100
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:28 +0000
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:30 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:07 +0100
Re: OT - TV Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-25 21:52 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 22:15 +0000
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:17 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 10:11 +0100
Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-03 08:20 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 10:10 +0100
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 23:18 -0400
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 07:41 +0000
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 23:44 -0400
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-05 00:45 -0400
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 03:06 -0400
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 07:34 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 09:10 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:28 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:00 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:03 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:33 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-05 23:44 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:37 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:09 +0200
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-06 06:33 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:59 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:25 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:44 +0200
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:04 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:21 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 18:31 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-07 01:20 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:08 +0100
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 03:24 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:42 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:40 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 17:30 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:15 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:29 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:56 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:08 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:39 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:20 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:43 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 15:23 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:17 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 15:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:45 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 16:01 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-06 18:00 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:06 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 18:03 +0200
Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-07 06:47 -0500
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:06 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 13:31 +0100
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:18 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 19:05 +0100
Re: OT - TV Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-07 15:59 -0500
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 07:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-08 06:58 -0500
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-08 14:44 +0000
Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-09 06:51 -0500
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 12:07 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 11:17 +0100
Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-09 06:37 -0500
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Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:07 +0100
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Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:39 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:52 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:39 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:53 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:44 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:11 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:47 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:46 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:13 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:22 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:23 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 10:17 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 21:36 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:27 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-27 03:59 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:08 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:39 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:40 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:28 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:43 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:26 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 09:55 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:43 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-28 01:31 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 19:05 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:50 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 22:26 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:56 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 23:35 +1000
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Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-20 20:14 +0100
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Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:57 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 23:56 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:34 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:35 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:20 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:32 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:45 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:52 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-19 00:37 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:43 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:41 +0000
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Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:37 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-19 21:42 +0100
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| From | John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-07 11:54 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <nimmmgF8q0lU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35907 |
On 07/10/2026 11:21, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-10-07 12:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 07/10/2026 09:00, JMB99 wrote: >>> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been >>>> using batteries and continue to do so. >>> >>> >>> >>> At least most are 'hybrids'. The Greenie purists don't like hybrids. >> >> Of course not. Hybrids actually are practical and mostly work. And >> certainly reduce urban emissions mightily >> >> And you get a good balance between massive acceleration for e,g, >> overtaking and having fun, with decent fuel economy in a stop start >> scenario, and no worse economy than a similar turbodiesel etc on a >> long constant speed run. > > That's the theory. I have been a fan of hybrids for decades. But they > have been perverted: huge cars with tiny batteries that drink gasoline > as cossacks, yet get the ECO label. > Hybrids are intended for use in traffic with frequent stops and starts. The engine only needs enough power to keep it rolling at its maximum speed. The battery only needs to hold enough energy to help accelerate it away to the sped limit from a stop once or twice. As the IC engine is small, it is working at close to its maximum efficiency most of the time, as against the traditional vehicle engine which is pretty close to idling except for a few seconds as you pull away for the lights. This is why the early Toyota Prius taxis could get up to 50 mpg round town and still pull away very quickly. Small engine, big motor and a battery that was almost fully cycled at every junction. A well designed hybrid will also recover kinetic energy when you slow down. "Plug in" hybrids are, basically, an electric vehicle with a range extender. They use the IC engine at high speed out of town and the electric motor in town to reduce local emissions. For long fast trips out of town, you still need a big engine, and the battery is more or less a waste of space. A bus company I used to work for discovered this the expensive way when they bought a batch of hybrid buses for a new inter town route, The engines were over worked when they were out of town so they were using more fuel than the normal ones, and the overload also caused problems witn reliability. -- Tciao for Now! John.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-07 12:37 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11a5at8$2nipf$18@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35912 |
On 07/10/2026 11:54, John Williamson wrote: > On 07/10/2026 11:21, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 2026-10-07 12:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 07/10/2026 09:00, JMB99 wrote: >>>> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been >>>>> using batteries and continue to do so. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At least most are 'hybrids'. The Greenie purists don't like hybrids. >>> >>> Of course not. Hybrids actually are practical and mostly work. And >>> certainly reduce urban emissions mightily >>> >>> And you get a good balance between massive acceleration for e,g, >>> overtaking and having fun, with decent fuel economy in a stop start >>> scenario, and no worse economy than a similar turbodiesel etc on a >>> long constant speed run. >> >> That's the theory. I have been a fan of hybrids for decades. But they >> have been perverted: huge cars with tiny batteries that drink gasoline >> as cossacks, yet get the ECO label. >> > Hybrids are intended for use in traffic with frequent stops and starts. > The engine only needs enough power to keep it rolling at its maximum > speed. The battery only needs to hold enough energy to help accelerate > it away to the sped limit from a stop once or twice. As the IC engine is > small, it is working at close to its maximum efficiency most of the > time, as against the traditional vehicle engine which is pretty close to > idling except for a few seconds as you pull away for the lights. This is > why the early Toyota Prius taxis could get up to 50 mpg round town and > still pull away very quickly. Small engine, big motor and a battery that > was almost fully cycled at every junction. > > A well designed hybrid will also recover kinetic energy when you slow down. > > "Plug in" hybrids are, basically, an electric vehicle with a range > extender. They use the IC engine at high speed out of town and the > electric motor in town to reduce local emissions. > > For long fast trips out of town, you still need a big engine, and the > battery is more or less a waste of space. A bus company I used to work > for discovered this the expensive way when they bought a batch of hybrid > buses for a new inter town route, The engines were over worked when they > were out of town so they were using more fuel than the normal ones, and > the overload also caused problems witn reliability. People I know with hybrids say the economy is *no worse* with the hybrid on a long trip, at fairly steady legal speeds, than an equivalent turbodiesel. It just isn't any *better*. Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery. Typically halving fuel used Regen braking and no idling is the key -- “The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.” Herbert Spencer
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 13:51 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <nipee4Fla45U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35915 |
On 2026-10-07 13:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/10/2026 11:54, John Williamson wrote:
>> On 07/10/2026 11:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-10-07 12:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 07/10/2026 09:00, JMB99 wrote:
>>>>> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been
>>>>>> using batteries and continue to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At least most are 'hybrids'. The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.
>>>>
>>>> Of course not. Hybrids actually are practical and mostly work. And
>>>> certainly reduce urban emissions mightily
>>>>
>>>> And you get a good balance between massive acceleration for e,g,
>>>> overtaking and having fun, with decent fuel economy in a stop start
>>>> scenario, and no worse economy than a similar turbodiesel etc on a
>>>> long constant speed run.
>>>
>>> That's the theory. I have been a fan of hybrids for decades. But they
>>> have been perverted: huge cars with tiny batteries that drink gasoline
>>> as cossacks, yet get the ECO label.
>>>
>> Hybrids are intended for use in traffic with frequent stops and
>> starts. The engine only needs enough power to keep it rolling at its
>> maximum speed. The battery only needs to hold enough energy to help
>> accelerate it away to the sped limit from a stop once or twice. As the
>> IC engine is small, it is working at close to its maximum efficiency
>> most of the time, as against the traditional vehicle engine which is
>> pretty close to idling except for a few seconds as you pull away for
>> the lights. This is why the early Toyota Prius taxis could get up to
>> 50 mpg round town and still pull away very quickly. Small engine, big
>> motor and a battery that was almost fully cycled at every junction.
>>
>> A well designed hybrid will also recover kinetic energy when you slow
>> down.
>>
>> "Plug in" hybrids are, basically, an electric vehicle with a range
>> extender. They use the IC engine at high speed out of town and the
>> electric motor in town to reduce local emissions.
>>
>> For long fast trips out of town, you still need a big engine, and the
>> battery is more or less a waste of space. A bus company I used to work
>> for discovered this the expensive way when they bought a batch of
>> hybrid buses for a new inter town route, The engines were over worked
>> when they were out of town so they were using more fuel than the
>> normal ones, and the overload also caused problems witn reliability.
>
> People I know with hybrids say the economy is *no worse* with the hybrid
> on a long trip, at fairly steady legal speeds, than an equivalent
> turbodiesel. It just isn't any *better*.
>
> Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to
> run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is
> depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery.
Some types should do well in hilly country.
>
> Typically halving fuel used
> Regen braking and no idling is the key
>
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 13:04 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11a80sh$3pnm3$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35950 |
On 08/10/2026 12:51, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> People I know with hybrids say the economy is *no worse* with the >> hybrid on a long trip, at fairly steady legal speeds, than an >> equivalent turbodiesel. It just isn't any *better*. >> >> Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to >> run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is >> depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery. > > Some types should do well in hilly country. > Only if you need to use the brakes a lot >> >> Typically halving fuel used >> Regen braking and no idling is the key >> -- Climate is what you expect but weather is what you get. Mark Twain
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 22:02 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11a90dj$7ae1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35953 |
On 2026/10/8 13:4:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 08/10/2026 12:51, Carlos E. R. wrote: [someone else wrote] >>> Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to >>> run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is >>> depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery. >> >> Some types should do well in hilly country. >> > Only if you need to use the brakes a lot > If your journey involves about the same amount of uphill and downhill, and you're _not_ using the brakes, where is the downhill energy going? Either engine braking (which is another form of "using the brakes", but even worse in that it might actually use fuel), or you're accelerating on the downhill parts and using the speed thus gained to help you on the uphill - makes you a bit dangerous in the valleys. >>> >>> Typically halving fuel used >>> Regen braking and no idling is the key >>> > -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 22:15 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11a9169$73vs$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35971 |
On 08/10/2026 22:02, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2026/10/8 13:4:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 08/10/2026 12:51, Carlos E. R. wrote: > [someone else wrote] >>>> Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to >>>> run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is >>>> depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery. >>> >>> Some types should do well in hilly country. >>> >> Only if you need to use the brakes a lot >> > If your journey involves about the same amount of uphill and downhill, > and you're _not_ using the brakes, where is the downhill energy going? Do you really not have an answer for that? You are coasting. The energy goes into the drag just the same as if it was an EV I do it all the time. > Either engine braking (which is another form of "using the brakes", but > even worse in that it might actually use fuel), or you're accelerating > on the downhill parts and using the speed thus gained to help you on the > uphill - makes you a bit dangerous in the valleys. > No. You are coasting. On a manual in neutral, On an auto, it does it 'automatically' (sic!) >>>> >>>> Typically halving fuel used >>>> Regen braking and no idling is the key >>>> >> > -- "If you don’t read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the news paper, you are mis-informed." Mark Twain
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-07 12:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11a58ou$2nipf$15@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35907 |
On 07/10/2026 11:21, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-10-07 12:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 07/10/2026 09:00, JMB99 wrote: >>> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been >>>> using batteries and continue to do so. >>> >>> >>> >>> At least most are 'hybrids'. The Greenie purists don't like hybrids. >> >> Of course not. Hybrids actually are practical and mostly work. And >> certainly reduce urban emissions mightily >> >> And you get a good balance between massive acceleration for e,g, >> overtaking and having fun, with decent fuel economy in a stop start >> scenario, and no worse economy than a similar turbodiesel etc on a >> long constant speed run. > > That's the theory. I have been a fan of hybrids for decades. But they > have been perverted: huge cars with tiny batteries that drink gasoline > as cossacks, yet get the ECO label. > They are lower emissions in towns, if not overall. But that is what you get with the EU. Renewable Obligatins that mandate renewable energy that doesn't actually work to reduce emissions and is expensive. Hybrid cars that don't actually work to reduce emissions and are expensive BUT the car makers and renewable companies are making money! And that's all that really matters -- There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent renewable energy.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-07 12:06 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <nimjtkF7onlU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35901 |
On 2026-10-07 10:00, JMB99 wrote:
> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been using
>> batteries and continue to do so.
>
>
>
> At least most are 'hybrids'. The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.
The Spanish S80 series uses bioethanol :-p
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-07 12:02 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11a58rl$2nipf$16@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35905 |
On 07/10/2026 11:06, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-10-07 10:00, JMB99 wrote: >> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been >>> using batteries and continue to do so. >> >> >> >> At least most are 'hybrids'. The Greenie purists don't like hybrids. > > The Spanish S80 series uses bioethanol :-p > You would be surprised how much diesel it takes to sow, weed, fertilise, harvest and process a gallon of biodiesel. -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.
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| From | Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-10-07 15:29 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11a5l0g$2uq79$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35914 |
The Natural Philosopher wrote: [snip] >> > You would be surprised how much diesel it takes to sow, weed, fertilise, > harvest and process a gallon of biodiesel. By contrast, biomethane could be virtually free. There are many currently untapped sources of biological waste: not only animal manure, but straw and the like from grain crops, culled animals, abattoir waste, wood waste from building and industry, industrial food processing waste, and sewage, as well as human cadavers (which might otherwise be incinerated at a cost of about 240kg of CO2 each). I am aware that some sewage may already be processed to generate methane, so it's clear that the collection mechanism (in the form of underground pipes from almost every urban household), and the processing mechanism already exists. The mechanism of delivering methane from these processing facilities to the gas grid may well also exist. I think biomethane can be used to create a liquid fuel suitable for IC engines. -- Graham J
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 15:49 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <niposgFn0p9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35921 |
Graham J wrote: > The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> You would be surprised how much diesel it takes to sow, weed, >> fertilise, harvest and process a gallon of biodiesel. > > By contrast, biomethane could be virtually free. Provided you've got sufficient fertile land for fuel crops left, after you've grown all your food crops.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 13:12 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11a8iug$1r96$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35956 |
On Thu, 10/8/2026 10:49 AM, Andy Burns wrote: > Graham J wrote: > >> The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> You would be surprised how much diesel it takes to sow, weed, fertilise, harvest and process a gallon of biodiesel. >> >> By contrast, biomethane could be virtually free. > Provided you've got sufficient fertile land for fuel crops left, after you've grown all your food crops. > And assuming you don't damage soil quality by doing this. There was a recent article on declining soil quality on farms. And how "practices" have to improve to stop it. I think we could survive quite nicely without wasting farmland to make fossil fuels. Paul
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 22:17 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11a918t$7jdf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35956 |
On 2026/10/8 15:49:47, Andy Burns wrote: > Graham J wrote: > >> The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> You would be surprised how much diesel it takes to sow, weed, >>> fertilise, harvest and process a gallon of biodiesel. >> >> By contrast, biomethane could be virtually free. > Provided you've got sufficient fertile land for fuel crops left, after > you've grown all your food crops. > If he's talking of "free" biomethane, I don't think he's talking about growing (whatever is needed to make) it, I think he's talking about the natural methane from rotting, which otherwise goes to waste (it's made anyway, whether you want it or not). Whether there's enough from that source to make any difference in the scheme of things, I'm dubious, though as long as collecting it doesn't actually cost more than it yields, I think it should be collected. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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| From | Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 08:12 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11aa45n$i8un$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35974 |
J. P. Gilliver wrote: [snip] >> > If he's talking of "free" biomethane, I don't think he's talking about > growing (whatever is needed to make) it, I think he's talking about the > natural methane from rotting, which otherwise goes to waste (it's made > anyway, whether you want it or not). Whether there's enough from that > source to make any difference in the scheme of things, I'm dubious, > though as long as collecting it doesn't actually cost more than it > yields, I think it should be collected. We already pay for the collection and disposal (often in landfill) of this material. That - in the UK - is paid for out of your Council Tax and the sewage component of your water bill. Collection and processing in an anaerobic digester to generate methane could well cost less than what we pay already, so the methane would, in effect, be free. -- Graham J
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 13:54 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <nipeitFla45U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35914 |
On 2026-10-07 13:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/10/2026 11:06, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-10-07 10:00, JMB99 wrote:
>>> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been
>>>> using batteries and continue to do so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At least most are 'hybrids'. The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.
>>
>> The Spanish S80 series uses bioethanol :-p
>>
> You would be surprised how much diesel it takes to sow, weed, fertilise,
> harvest and process a gallon of biodiesel.
Not really.
The goal of these subs is not being eco, but firing the engine while
submerged, and without a snorkel.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-06 14:40 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11a3fas$2749n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35863 |
On Tue, 10/6/2026 12:51 PM, JMB99 wrote: > Got me thinking, military vehicles can have self-sealing fuel tanks > but if they have to start using Battery Vehicles, > what happens if the battery is hit? You fill out a requisition for a new battery :-) Your A-Battery is on the left side of the vehicle, your B-Battery is on the right side of the vehicle. You use the transfer switch, from A to B. Lots of military and enterprise devices, use 1+1 redundancy for the hardware. If you look at consumer passenger cars, two trim levels, one can have "12 modules", the other can have "15 modules". They are arranged in a slab, and the slab also functions as a strength member for the vehicle. To work on that is definitely garage material. A military vehicle, will have servicing requirements different than that. To do field service, like McGyver, the arrangement has to be different. You need "pretty secure" connections on the batteries in cars. Inside a module, if using 18650 cells, you'd want a cold spot welded conductor from one cell to the next. They don't use nylon "battery holders" like some of your old consumer goods used. If a connection goes ohmic, that causes a hot spot in the battery chain. Welding the batteries, now we just have to worry about the connections at the module level. You might see big fat cables in the picture. A module should have a BMS, and the BMS should be able to disable the module for some problem-classes. BMS come as a circuit board, a tiny board in some applications, a larger board where there is room for a larger board. In some battery packs (the 56V pack for a lawn mower), the BMS is covered in silicon seal to make it impossible to get at (and fix). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_management_system A BMS doesn't have to be bussed, but it makes sense to bus the status of them, for easy readout by the CANBUS in the vehicle. You can see there are some degrees of freedom in the design, and a military solution could look a bit different than the consumer car version. Battery maintenance hardly ever happens on the consumer version, because if you make a warranty claim... they will claim a replacement part is not available and that's the end of it. When you install a BEV battery, the installation must be "blessed by a priest". It is not just a matter of screwing some bits together, turning the key and driving away. The parts are "registered" with the car, the dealership has the device to perform a marriage. The ghetto mechanic does not have that device. If you stick a new battery in a car, without the marriage, the contactor will not close and the battery will refuse to power the motors. There's no reason the military version won't be doing this too :-) Paul
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-07 08:02 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11a4qpv$2k8fk$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35863 |
On 06/10/2026 17:51, JMB99 wrote: > Got me thinking, military vehicles can have self-sealing fuel tanks but > if they have to start using Battery Vehicles, what happens if the > battery is hit? They catch fire and brew up -- I would rather have questions that cannot be answered... ...than to have answers that cannot be questioned Richard Feynman
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-05 12:47 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11a02np$sln7$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35771 |
On 05/10/2026 11:29, John Williamson wrote: > On 05/10/2026 06:27, c186282 wrote: >> On 10/4/26 06:54, Jan Panteltje wrote: > >>> I have these for on a boat: >>> 250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG >>> >>> Now in use as backup for my computers, as the UPS battery gave up after >>> constantly coming in since the power company changed their meter for a >>> 'smart' >>> one and removed the connection of neutral to local ground, >>> causing a voltage drop. >>> So much for improvement, now you pay more for their cable losses?? >>> >>> That battery pack runs microwave and fridge too if needed >>> I have 3 large flexible solar panels for on a boat. >>> And a small fixed 80 W one upstair in a window. >>> Several solar powered flashights too, some with hand crank. >> >> >> LIPo batts CAN still explode for no obvious >> reason. Got a scar to prove it. >> > Lithium Polymer batteries are, as you say, prone to thermal runaway if > overcharged, run too flat or the day has a "y" in it. They are currently > used in phones, laptops, tablets, e-bikes and some cars. > > LiFePO4 batteries, on the other hand are currently being used in many > thousands of boats as power supplies for the domestic stuff, and I have > yet to hear one report of an explosion or fire that was not started by > ancillary equipment. The cells are usually still intact after the fire. > You *can*, if you are determined enough, make the cells ignite by, say, > repeatedly using an ice pick to puncture them, but it needs to be a > metal pick, so that it shorts out the internal structures and even then, > as long as you stand upwind, the fumes won't hurt you. > However they are heavier >> Future/NOW ... look into sodium batteries. Plenty >> on Amazon. Almost as good as LIPo bur DON'T blow >> up in your face and set everything on fire. Seems >> the usual charge circuits for lead-acid work fine >> for sodium, though sodium CAN be charged faster. >> > I just searched for "sodium battery" on Amazon UK. Not a single one in > the resuktys, but I *was* offered lead acid of various types, as well as > a number of Lithium based batteries of various tyoes. > They are little different to lead acid. A tad lighter. Just as expensive. o no one is buying > > > -- “it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a 'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,' a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that you live neither in Joseph Stalin’s Communist era, nor in the Orwellian utopia of 1984.” Vaclav Klaus
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-10-06 00:23 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11a1bi1$1eh48$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35761 |
On 2026/10/5 6:27:38, c186282 wrote: [] > AM looking to make a semi-decent DC power storage > unit - probably solar charged. Doesn't have to be [] I don't think you have to specify the "DC" part; AC storage is either pumped water, or flywheels, neither of which are within the reach of most home users! -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Money should enable life, not define worth.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-03 18:41 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <119reoe$37dqq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35685 |
On 03/10/2026 15:59, John Williamson wrote: > On 03/10/2026 13:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 03/10/2026 12:50, John Williamson wrote: >>> On occasion, 15 Volt or slightly more can be used ro equalise the >>> charge between the cells, but this will cause some of the water in the >>> electrolyte to split into hydrogen and oxygen. >> And some of the cells to split into plastic, lead, acid and a loud bang >> DAMHIKT... > > That needs a spark nearby > Yes. Removing the battery charger was plenty. -- Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.
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