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Killer price on a mini PC

Started by"Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com>
First post2026-09-15 21:48 -0400
Last post2026-09-18 18:25 -0700
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  Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 21:48 -0400
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-16 03:17 +0000
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 23:35 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 21:29 -0700
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:51 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:36 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 12:03 -0700
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 01:49 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 02:44 -0700
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 20:29 +1000
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:45 +0100
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 02:30 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:38 +1000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:43 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:47 +1000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:54 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 17:59 +0100
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:38 -0400
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:13 -0700
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:22 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 06:56 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 07:19 +0000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 01:54 -0700
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:24 -0400
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-16 12:36 +0100
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 10:11 -0400
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 12:20 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:58 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 13:26 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-18 00:49 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:10 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 20:01 +0000
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 16:23 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:42 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 18:09 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 23:02 +0000
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:08 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 00:33 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 21:20 +0100
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-18 16:05 -0500
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 17:09 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 17:19 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:47 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 23:13 +0100
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-19 19:56 +1000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:42 -0400
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-20 21:24 +1000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:18 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 04:51 -0400
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 19:18 +1000
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 13:13 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:33 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 18:46 -0400
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:52 +1000
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 20:02 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 21:21 +1000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-19 18:33 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-19 21:24 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 04:03 -0400
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 04:21 -0400
                            screen shape/orientation (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:31 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:45 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:57 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:39 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 15:04 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:29 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 22:47 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 20:36 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:14 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-20 11:26 -0500
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:32 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 06:16 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:41 +0000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:30 +0100
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:57 +1000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:01 -0400
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 17:19 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:02 -0500
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 19:23 -0400
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:30 +0000
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:12 +0200
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:47 +0100
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:29 +0200
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:26 +0000
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:36 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:44 +0000
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:29 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:34 +0100
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 08:28 -0400
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:49 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:40 +0200
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:43 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:38 +0200
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:11 +0000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 19:55 +0200
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-23 19:20 +0100
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 00:27 -0400
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:31 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 09:18 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:05 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:18 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:13 -0400
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-26 16:23 +0000
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 18:55 +0100
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:43 +1000
                                                    Gigaset M740AV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 20:25 +0200
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 13:43 +0000
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 20:39 +0200
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 06:51 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:24 +0100
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:11 +0200
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:18 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:41 +0200
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 11:57 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:48 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:25 +0000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:46 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 16:47 +0000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:28 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:33 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:03 +0000
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:42 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:34 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:36 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:14 +0100
                                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:39 +0100
                                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-26 17:14 -0500
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 22:16 -0400
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:24 +0100
                                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:37 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:42 +0100
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:32 +0100
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +1000
                                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:46 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:03 +0000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:16 +0000
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 07:19 +0000
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:37 +0100
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:38 +0100
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:32 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 00:10 +0000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 21:46 +0000
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 23:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 08:12 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:05 +0000
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-28 20:46 +1000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 12:03 +0100
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:37 +0000
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-26 19:14 -0400
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:10 +0000
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 02:20 -0400
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 07:50 +0100
                                          OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 18:59 +0100
                                            Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:52 +0000
                                              Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-23 02:29 -0400
                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:50 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:40 +0200
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:38 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 19:46 -0400
                                                Re: OT - TV Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:42 +0000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:04 -0400
                                            OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 06:45 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 04:10 -0400
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:39 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 13:17 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:23 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:44 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:39 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:11 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-26 11:47 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:08 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:58 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:30 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:10 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:02 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:03 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:26 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-28 15:45 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:30 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:46 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:25 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 16:40 +0100
                                                                                    OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 16:58 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:57 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:00 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) André Coutanche <acoutanche@gmx.co.uk> - 2026-09-29 21:50 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:33 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 22:48 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:07 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - Lehrer John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 15:51 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 21:02 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:22 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:01 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 10:57 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 08:10 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:39 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-30 00:46 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:39 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:25 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:34 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:31 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 14:47 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:58 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:36 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:12 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:35 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 16:14 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:35 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:53 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 19:03 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 21:50 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:25 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:13 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:51 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:55 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-30 14:15 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +1000
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:52 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:13 +1000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 11:56 -0400
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:28 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 15:28 -0400
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 10:19 +0200
                                                                      [OT] - audio distribution, Rediffusion-style (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:43 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 11:44 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:12 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 18:12 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:23 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:34 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:46 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-29 12:01 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:05 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:13 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Other John <nomail@here.org> - 2026-09-29 16:53 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:12 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:23 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:37 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:28 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:35 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:15 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:15 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:50 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:24 +0200
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-01 17:17 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:48 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 13:32 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:52 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-03 21:10 +1000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:39 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:11 -0400
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-04 21:26 +1100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:19 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:36 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:18 +0200
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:47 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 12:50 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:09 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 15:59 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-03 15:56 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 17:19 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:54 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:27 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 07:55 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:54 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:17 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-05 11:29 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-05 11:46 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-06 17:51 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 18:58 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 20:36 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:40 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 12:47 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 00:23 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 18:41 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-03 22:52 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 21:24 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 08:08 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-04 09:29 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:54 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:15 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:27 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:13 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:19 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 13:54 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:34 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:22 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:37 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:37 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:50 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 13:08 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:50 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 03:29 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:53 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:49 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:19 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:34 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:51 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:52 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 07:52 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 03:15 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:51 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:16 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:12 +0200
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:06 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:50 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 01:31 +0000
                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:21 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:26 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:26 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:37 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 00:03 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:15 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:16 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:48 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:16 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:07 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:20 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:18 +0200
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:06 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:22 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:34 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:50 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:25 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:30 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 15:04 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:39 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:13 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-28 09:39 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 11:26 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:04 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:42 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 16:45 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:53 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 19:26 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:25 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 09:43 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:56 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 10:41 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:02 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 13:39 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:04 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 14:19 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:47 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 20:01 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:06 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:25 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 01:15 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Carlos <crazyhotwrse8@stinty.org> - 2026-10-03 20:41 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 21:28 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 17:16 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:50 +0100
                                                                                                              [OT] - power (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 19:05 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 19:15 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] - power "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:00 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] - power c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:30 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:47 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] - power Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-30 13:28 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:24 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-29 14:58 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:04 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:52 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:01 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 10:40 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 11:29 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:59 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:25 +0100
                                                                                                                  [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 23:54 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 00:57 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 08:51 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 04:40 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:19 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:20 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 19:32 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 20:02 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 19:03 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-05 06:40 -0500
                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 20:18 +1000
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:54 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-27 16:46 +0000
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-29 21:15 +1000
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 03:52 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:41 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:58 +1000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:56 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-24 22:24 +1000
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:07 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 12:53 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:09 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 18:56 +0000
                                                Re: OT - TV Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-25 22:03 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 22:42 +0000
                                                    Re: OT - TV Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-26 16:47 +0000
                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 20:07 +0200
                                                        Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 16:02 -0400
                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 03:50 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:16 +0200
                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 18:11 +0000
                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-29 21:29 +1000
                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 20:05 +0000
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 10:01 +0100
                                              OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 14:42 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:04 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 15:55 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:18 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:50 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:34 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:10 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:29 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 05:12 +0000
                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 21:30 +1000
                                                        Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:54 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:14 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:38 +0000
                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:06 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:16 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:30 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:24 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:35 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:02 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:09 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0200
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:46 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:22 +0200
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:00 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:49 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:46 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:55 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:50 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:35 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:19 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:22 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:20 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:57 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:22 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:43 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:21 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:19 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:25 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:12 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 00:48 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:09 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:49 +0200
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:02 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 22:18 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:33 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 07:07 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:33 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:59 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:02 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:28 +0200
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:28 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 21:03 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:27 +0000
                                                Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:04 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 16:28 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:51 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:20 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 18:26 +0000
                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:20 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 18:44 +0000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-22 16:05 +0000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 18:31 +0000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:45 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:41 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:09 +0100
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:14 -0400
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:10 +0000
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 21:55 -0400
                                                      OT - TV (now radio) (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 09:49 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:32 +0200
                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:30 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:36 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:55 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:10 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:09 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:45 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:16 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:58 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:05 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:07 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:28 -0400
                                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 01:07 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:41 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 22:27 -0400
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:10 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:39 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 19:36 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 18:27 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:27 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 13:38 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 15:15 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 17:52 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:49 -0400
                                                                                  [OT] = X-rays and medical costs (was: Re: OT - TV (now radio)) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 20:16 +0100
                                                                                    Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs (was: Re: OT - TV (now radio)) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 22:35 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:22 -0400
                                                                                        Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 06:58 +0100
                                                                                          Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 02:21 -0400
                                                                                            Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:33 +0100
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-10-02 13:47 +0100
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 15:17 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-10-02 16:07 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:54 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 10:06 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:53 -0400
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:55 -0400
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:33 -0400
                                                                                            Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 13:51 +0100
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 00:14 -0400
                                                                                          Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 17:34 +0000
                                                                                        Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 11:35 +0200
                                                                                          Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 20:57 -0400
                                                                                            Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:31 +0200
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:26 +0100
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:24 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 23:39 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 02:14 +0200
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:40 -0400
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:02 -0400
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:52 +0000
                                                                                    Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:28 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 21:55 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:28 -0400
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:04 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:39 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 22:03 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:33 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 07:08 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:55 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:31 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:08 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:41 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:46 -0400
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:52 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:40 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:44 -0400
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-03 05:00 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:48 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:35 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:12 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:19 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:34 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 21:46 -0400
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 16:07 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:42 -0400
                                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:50 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
                                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:37 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 22:10 +0200
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:45 -0400
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 11:41 +0200
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:08 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:06 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:33 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-27 16:23 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:34 +0200
                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:59 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:37 -0400
                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:27 +0200
                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:29 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-27 16:51 +0000
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:55 +0000
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-28 01:28 -0400
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 07:12 +0000
                                                            OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 17:19 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:26 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:18 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-23 17:28 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:21 +0100
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 18:26 +0000
                                                  OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 20:08 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 21:45 +1000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 20:05 +0000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:22 +0100
                                                    OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:43 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:43 +0100
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:25 +0000
                                              OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:57 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 21:13 +0200
                                                Re: OT - TV Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-24 17:47 -0500
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:53 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:51 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 08:22 +0000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:01 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:19 +0000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:32 +0000
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:50 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 18:40 +0000
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:10 +1000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:49 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:20 +0200
                                        OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:13 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:59 +0000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-22 02:20 -0400
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:16 +1000
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:52 +0100
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:35 +0000
                                          OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:51 +0100
                                            Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 08:16 +0000
                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 15:07 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:28 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:30 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:07 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-25 21:52 +0000
                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 22:15 +0000
                                                    Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:17 -0400
                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 10:11 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-03 08:20 +0000
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 10:10 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 23:18 -0400
                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 07:41 +0000
                                                    Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 23:44 -0400
                                                      Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-05 00:45 -0400
                                                        Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 03:06 -0400
                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 07:34 +0000
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 09:10 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:28 +0200
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:00 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:03 +0000
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:33 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-05 23:44 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:37 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:09 +0200
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-06 06:33 -0400
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:59 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:25 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:44 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:04 -0400
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:21 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 18:31 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:15 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:29 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:56 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:08 +0200
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:39 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:20 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:43 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 15:23 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:17 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 15:26 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:45 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 16:01 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-06 18:00 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 18:03 +0200
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 19:05 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 18:35 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-06 18:17 +0000
                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-06 06:57 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:39 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:52 +0000
                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:39 +0200
                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:53 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:44 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:11 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:47 +0100
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:46 +0000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:13 +0100
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:22 +0000
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:23 -0400
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 10:17 +0100
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 21:36 -0400
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:27 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-27 03:59 -0400
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:08 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:39 +0000
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:40 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:28 +1000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:43 +0000
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:26 +0000
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 09:55 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:43 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-28 01:31 -0400
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 19:05 +0000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:50 +0000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 22:26 +1000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:56 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 23:35 +1000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-20 21:29 +1000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-20 16:56 +0000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-20 18:20 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-20 18:22 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-20 20:14 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 06:34 -0400
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:57 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 23:56 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:34 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:35 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:20 +0000
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:32 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:45 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:52 +0000
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-19 00:37 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:43 +0000
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:41 +0000
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-19 17:48 +0000
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 18:56 +0100
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 14:45 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:37 +0100
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-19 21:42 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 01:35 +0000
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-20 09:46 +0000
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 13:59 -0700
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 17:06 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 18:30 -0700
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 21:37 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 00:39 -0700
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 09:06 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 04:19 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 14:28 -0700
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:59 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 18:04 -0700
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-19 08:21 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 18:25 -0700

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#35800 — Re: OT - TV

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-05 23:44 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a197j$1de5v$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35788
On 2026/10/5 16:33:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 05/10/2026 16:03, Jan Panteltje wrote:
[]
>> There is also a lot of scare mongering going around
>> Fear sells  (all sort of stuff).

Definitely. And the inability of the average Joe to compare risks.

> 
> There certainly is no other reason for windmills
> 
Oh, you won't give up, will you!

The Dutch used them for pumping, and the English for milling, for
centuries. (As did other nations, but those are the stereotypes.)

-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

As my chronological age races on, my OldTimers Disease now includes
Toelio, Kneesles and SmallCox. - Chris Schram in e-s.talk, 2026-6-27

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#35823 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 08:37 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a28fj$1n9ag$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35800
On 05/10/2026 23:44, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/10/5 16:33:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 05/10/2026 16:03, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> []
>>> There is also a lot of scare mongering going around
>>> Fear sells  (all sort of stuff).
> 
> Definitely. And the inability of the average Joe to compare risks.
> 
>>
>> There certainly is no other reason for windmills
>>
> Oh, you won't give up, will you!
> 
> The Dutch used them for pumping, and the English for milling, for
> centuries. (As did other nations, but those are the stereotypes.)
> 

And both abandoned them the moment steam engines came along, and the 
same with wind powered ships.

And if as I have, you had lived on the Fens, you would understand why


-- 
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as 
foolish, and by the rulers as useful.

(Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)

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#35827 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 12:09 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nijvltFppshU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#35823
On 2026-10-06 09:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 05/10/2026 23:44, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> On 2026/10/5 16:33:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 05/10/2026 16:03, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> []
>>>> There is also a lot of scare mongering going around
>>>> Fear sells  (all sort of stuff).
>>
>> Definitely. And the inability of the average Joe to compare risks.
>>
>>>
>>> There certainly is no other reason for windmills
>>>
>> Oh, you won't give up, will you!
>>
>> The Dutch used them for pumping, and the English for milling, for
>> centuries. (As did other nations, but those are the stereotypes.)
>>
> 
> And both abandoned them the moment steam engines came along, and the 
> same with wind powered ships.

But wind powered ships were not abandoned.

> 
> And if as I have, you had lived on the Fens, you would understand why
> 
> 


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#35828 — Re: OT - TV

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 06:33 -0400
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a2ipe$1rdor$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35827
On Tue, 10/6/2026 6:09 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-06 09:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 05/10/2026 23:44, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> On 2026/10/5 16:33:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 05/10/2026 16:03, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> []
>>>>> There is also a lot of scare mongering going around
>>>>> Fear sells  (all sort of stuff).
>>>
>>> Definitely. And the inability of the average Joe to compare risks.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> There certainly is no other reason for windmills
>>>>
>>> Oh, you won't give up, will you!
>>>
>>> The Dutch used them for pumping, and the English for milling, for
>>> centuries. (As did other nations, but those are the stereotypes.)
>>>
>>
>> And both abandoned them the moment steam engines came along, and the same with wind powered ships.
> 
> But wind powered ships were not abandoned.
> 

 09-06-2024

"The world’s largest wind-powered cargo ship just made its first delivery across the Atlantic"

 https://www.fastcompany.com/91185144/the-worlds-largest-wind-powered-cargo-ship-just-made-its-first-delivery-across-the-atlantic

Unlike older vessels, it has a backup power system.

   Paul

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#35830 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 12:59 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nik2keFppsiU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#35828
On 2026-10-06 12:33, Paul wrote:
> On Tue, 10/6/2026 6:09 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-10-06 09:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 05/10/2026 23:44, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>> On 2026/10/5 16:33:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 05/10/2026 16:03, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> []
>>>>>> There is also a lot of scare mongering going around
>>>>>> Fear sells  (all sort of stuff).
>>>>
>>>> Definitely. And the inability of the average Joe to compare risks.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There certainly is no other reason for windmills
>>>>>
>>>> Oh, you won't give up, will you!
>>>>
>>>> The Dutch used them for pumping, and the English for milling, for
>>>> centuries. (As did other nations, but those are the stereotypes.)
>>>>
>>>
>>> And both abandoned them the moment steam engines came along, and the same with wind powered ships.
>>
>> But wind powered ships were not abandoned.
>>
> 
>   09-06-2024
> 
> "The world’s largest wind-powered cargo ship just made its first delivery across the Atlantic"

I was thinking of those :-)

> 
>   https://www.fastcompany.com/91185144/the-worlds-largest-wind-powered-cargo-ship-just-made-its-first-delivery-across-the-atlantic
> 
> Unlike older vessels, it has a backup power system.


Jules Verne described ships that used both sail and steam, depending on 
the circumstances.

But current ships use "mechanical" automated sails. It would not do 
needing a hundred sailors. The purpose is often to reduce cost, less 
fuel needed.


Similarly, there are many solar plants and wind farms in Spain, that 
serve the practical purpose of actually reducing the electrical bill.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#35834 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 12:25 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a2lrf$1qr6j$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35830
On 06/10/2026 11:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-06 12:33, Paul wrote:
>> On Tue, 10/6/2026 6:09 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-10-06 09:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 05/10/2026 23:44, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>> On 2026/10/5 16:33:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 05/10/2026 16:03, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>> []
>>>>>>> There is also a lot of scare mongering going around
>>>>>>> Fear sells  (all sort of stuff).
>>>>>
>>>>> Definitely. And the inability of the average Joe to compare risks.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There certainly is no other reason for windmills
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, you won't give up, will you!
>>>>>
>>>>> The Dutch used them for pumping, and the English for milling, for
>>>>> centuries. (As did other nations, but those are the stereotypes.)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And both abandoned them the moment steam engines came along, and the 
>>>> same with wind powered ships.
>>>
>>> But wind powered ships were not abandoned.
>>>
>>
>>   09-06-2024
>>
>> "The world’s largest wind-powered cargo ship just made its first 
>> delivery across the Atlantic"
> 
> I was thinking of those :-)
> 
>>
>>   
>> https://www.fastcompany.com/91185144/the-worlds-largest-wind-powered-cargo-ship-just-made-its-first-delivery-across-the-atlantic
>>
>> Unlike older vessels, it has a backup power system.
> 
> 
> Jules Verne described ships that used both sail and steam, depending on 
> the circumstances.
> 
Jules Verne wrote fiction. Did you not realise that?

James Blish wrote stories about cities flying through space powered by 
'spindizzies'.

> But current ships use "mechanical" automated sails. It would not do 
> needing a hundred sailors. The purpose is often to reduce cost, less 
> fuel needed.
> 
OK. so how exactly is the power generated to runb these 'mechanicval' 
devices? A diesel engine?

> 
> Similarly, there are many solar plants and wind farms in Spain, that 
> serve the practical purpose of actually reducing the electrical bill.
> 

ROFLMAO. No they aren't. They increase it.
When they aren't going bankrupt or crashing the grid...

-- 
Of what good are dead warriors? … Warriors are those who desire battle 
more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump 
their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the 
battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is 
that they are dead.
Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.

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#35836 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 13:44 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nik58nFppsiU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#35834
On 2026-10-06 13:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 06/10/2026 11:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-10-06 12:33, Paul wrote:
>>> On Tue, 10/6/2026 6:09 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-10-06 09:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 05/10/2026 23:44, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026/10/5 16:33:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>> On 05/10/2026 16:03, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>> []
>>>>>>>> There is also a lot of scare mongering going around
>>>>>>>> Fear sells  (all sort of stuff).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Definitely. And the inability of the average Joe to compare risks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There certainly is no other reason for windmills
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, you won't give up, will you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Dutch used them for pumping, and the English for milling, for
>>>>>> centuries. (As did other nations, but those are the stereotypes.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And both abandoned them the moment steam engines came along, and 
>>>>> the same with wind powered ships.
>>>>
>>>> But wind powered ships were not abandoned.
>>>>
>>>
>>>   09-06-2024
>>>
>>> "The world’s largest wind-powered cargo ship just made its first 
>>> delivery across the Atlantic"
>>
>> I was thinking of those :-)
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.fastcompany.com/91185144/the-worlds-largest-wind-powered- 
>>> cargo-ship-just-made-its-first-delivery-across-the-atlantic
>>>
>>> Unlike older vessels, it has a backup power system.
>>
>>
>> Jules Verne described ships that used both sail and steam, depending 
>> on the circumstances.
>>
> Jules Verne wrote fiction. Did you not realise that?

Certainly, but those ships were actually common.

> 
> James Blish wrote stories about cities flying through space powered by 
> 'spindizzies'.
> 
>> But current ships use "mechanical" automated sails. It would not do 
>> needing a hundred sailors. The purpose is often to reduce cost, less 
>> fuel needed.
>>
> OK. so how exactly is the power generated to runb these 'mechanicval' 
> devices? A diesel engine?
> 

So what?

>>
>> Similarly, there are many solar plants and wind farms in Spain, that 
>> serve the practical purpose of actually reducing the electrical bill.
>>
> 
> ROFLMAO. No they aren't. They increase it.
> When they aren't going bankrupt or crashing the grid...
> 

ROFLMAO. Propaganda.

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        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#35864 — Re: OT - TV

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 13:04 -0400
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a39m2$24pnk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35834
On Tue, 10/6/2026 7:25 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 06/10/2026 11:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:

>> But current ships use "mechanical" automated sails. It would not 
>> do needing a hundred sailors. The purpose is often to reduce cost, less fuel needed.
>>
> OK. so how exactly is the power generated to runb these 'mechanicval' devices? A diesel engine?

It has diesel-electric backup propulsion.
That's a diesel generator and some electric motor configuration.
Presumably, not powerful enough for the captain to water ski :-)

When not running for backup propulsion, it could be powered off.

(Or, the diesel power source could function as the APU.)

A second APU could provide power for bridge lights, station keeping
(computers, radar), steerage (if the rudder is too heavy for
mechanical actuation). And for the raising and lowering of sails,
and to keep the Captains towel rack warm. Then you'd have to compare
the magnitude of that load, to decide whether just one good size
diesel running constantly made sense.

They've made tiny automated sail boats, about as big as your bath,
to attempt to cross the Atlantic. Presumably solar power for
electric functions. With no crossing time objective, the machine
makes forward progress, as the situation dictates (no juice in
battery, waits for solar to recharge battery).

   "Robotic boat crosses Atlantic ocean unaided"
    21 September 2026

   https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq5ym37974g1o

  Paul

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#35833 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 12:21 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a2ljm$1qr6j$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35828
On 06/10/2026 11:33, Paul wrote:
> On Tue, 10/6/2026 6:09 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-10-06 09:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 05/10/2026 23:44, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>> On 2026/10/5 16:33:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 05/10/2026 16:03, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> []
>>>>>> There is also a lot of scare mongering going around
>>>>>> Fear sells  (all sort of stuff).
>>>>
>>>> Definitely. And the inability of the average Joe to compare risks.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There certainly is no other reason for windmills
>>>>>
>>>> Oh, you won't give up, will you!
>>>>
>>>> The Dutch used them for pumping, and the English for milling, for
>>>> centuries. (As did other nations, but those are the stereotypes.)
>>>>
>>>
>>> And both abandoned them the moment steam engines came along, and the same with wind powered ships.
>>
>> But wind powered ships were not abandoned.
>>
> 
>   09-06-2024
> 
> "The world’s largest wind-powered cargo ship just made its first delivery across the Atlantic"
> 
>   https://www.fastcompany.com/91185144/the-worlds-largest-wind-powered-cargo-ship-just-made-its-first-delivery-across-the-atlantic
> 

ROFLMAO!

Now how many tonne miles has it carried compared with a bulk carrier 
running on bunker oil?

People keep trying to make airships work, as well. There is a restored 
windmill grinding wheat grain up the road from me, too. Its government 
funded and makes a little bit on money out of tourist fees and selling 
overpriced 'organic,m stone ground' flour

There used to be road signs powered by solar cells all around here. They 
all broke and no one replaced them

> Unlike older vessels, it has a backup power system.
> 
Indeed. Going through e.g. the panama or suez canals would be impossible 
without it


>     Paul
> 

-- 
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, 
diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.”
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#35873 — Re: OT - TV

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 18:31 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<58bxS.29322$plMb.12043@fx42.iad>
In reply to#35833
On 2026-10-06, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 06/10/2026 11:33, Paul wrote:
>
>> Unlike older vessels, it has a backup power system.
> 
> Indeed. Going through e.g. the panama or suez canals would be impossible 
> without it

Not really - you just hook up the teams of horses that the
canal administration has standing by to pull you through.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#35831 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 12:15 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a2l7o$1qr6j$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35827
On 06/10/2026 11:09, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-06 09:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 05/10/2026 23:44, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> On 2026/10/5 16:33:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 05/10/2026 16:03, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> []
>>>>> There is also a lot of scare mongering going around
>>>>> Fear sells  (all sort of stuff).
>>>
>>> Definitely. And the inability of the average Joe to compare risks.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> There certainly is no other reason for windmills
>>>>
>>> Oh, you won't give up, will you!
>>>
>>> The Dutch used them for pumping, and the English for milling, for
>>> centuries. (As did other nations, but those are the stereotypes.)
>>>
>>
>> And both abandoned them the moment steam engines came along, and the 
>> same with wind powered ships.
> 
> But wind powered ships were not abandoned.

They were. What fantasy land are you living in?

By the 1950s there were not even clipper ships left

A tramp steamer was overall just as fast on average, because it was not 
subject to wind variation, and it only need a couple of stokers and an 
engineer, not a crew of dozens to manage the sails

In the end, once economics are not distorted by government subsidies, 
fossil fuel always beats wind or solar.

Abengoa. The biggest bankruptcy in Spains history. Solara4.

And once fossil prices rise. nuclear is cheaper than either.




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#35835 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 13:29 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nik4dnFppshU8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#35831
On 2026-10-06 13:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 06/10/2026 11:09, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-10-06 09:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 05/10/2026 23:44, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>> On 2026/10/5 16:33:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 05/10/2026 16:03, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> []
>>>>>> There is also a lot of scare mongering going around
>>>>>> Fear sells  (all sort of stuff).
>>>>
>>>> Definitely. And the inability of the average Joe to compare risks.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There certainly is no other reason for windmills
>>>>>
>>>> Oh, you won't give up, will you!
>>>>
>>>> The Dutch used them for pumping, and the English for milling, for
>>>> centuries. (As did other nations, but those are the stereotypes.)
>>>>
>>>
>>> And both abandoned them the moment steam engines came along, and the 
>>> same with wind powered ships.
>>
>> But wind powered ships were not abandoned.
> 
> They were. What fantasy land are you living in?
> 
> By the 1950s there were not even clipper ships left
> 
> A tramp steamer was overall just as fast on average, because it was not 
> subject to wind variation, and it only need a couple of stokers and an 
> engineer, not a crew of dozens to manage the sails
> 
> In the end, once economics are not distorted by government subsidies, 
> fossil fuel always beats wind or solar.
> 
> Abengoa. The biggest bankruptcy in Spains history. Solara4.

Google says:

Yes, the bankruptcy was directly related to renewable energies, but it 
was caused by how the company financed that transition rather than a 
failure of the technology itself.

Solara4 was Portuguese.

> 
> And once fossil prices rise. nuclear is cheaper than either.
> 
> 
> 
> 


-- 
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        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#35837 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 12:56 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a2nla$1qr6j$15@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35835
On 06/10/2026 12:29, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-06 13:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 06/10/2026 11:09, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-10-06 09:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 05/10/2026 23:44, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>> On 2026/10/5 16:33:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 05/10/2026 16:03, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>> []
>>>>>>> There is also a lot of scare mongering going around
>>>>>>> Fear sells  (all sort of stuff).
>>>>>
>>>>> Definitely. And the inability of the average Joe to compare risks.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There certainly is no other reason for windmills
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, you won't give up, will you!
>>>>>
>>>>> The Dutch used them for pumping, and the English for milling, for
>>>>> centuries. (As did other nations, but those are the stereotypes.)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And both abandoned them the moment steam engines came along, and the 
>>>> same with wind powered ships.
>>>
>>> But wind powered ships were not abandoned.
>>
>> They were. What fantasy land are you living in?
>>
>> By the 1950s there were not even clipper ships left
>>
>> A tramp steamer was overall just as fast on average, because it was 
>> not subject to wind variation, and it only need a couple of stokers 
>> and an engineer, not a crew of dozens to manage the sails
>>
>> In the end, once economics are not distorted by government subsidies, 
>> fossil fuel always beats wind or solar.
>>
>> Abengoa. The biggest bankruptcy in Spains history. Solara4.
> 
> Google says:
> 
> Yes, the bankruptcy was directly related to renewable energies, but it 
> was caused by how the company financed that transition rather than a 
> failure of the technology itself.
> 
ROFLMAO!

Horses didn't fail either, they just didn't get their finances sorted out.

If a technology is not financially viable, then its *failed* mate.

Renewable energy survives on corruption and subsidy. If that gets 
removed, it collapses

> Solara4 was Portuguese.
> 
>>
>> And once fossil prices rise. nuclear is cheaper than either.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 

-- 
"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".

Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14

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#35838 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 14:08 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nik6lkFppshU11@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#35837
On 2026-10-06 13:56, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 06/10/2026 12:29, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-10-06 13:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 06/10/2026 11:09, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-10-06 09:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 05/10/2026 23:44, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026/10/5 16:33:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>> On 05/10/2026 16:03, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>> []
>>>>>>>> There is also a lot of scare mongering going around
>>>>>>>> Fear sells  (all sort of stuff).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Definitely. And the inability of the average Joe to compare risks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There certainly is no other reason for windmills
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, you won't give up, will you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Dutch used them for pumping, and the English for milling, for
>>>>>> centuries. (As did other nations, but those are the stereotypes.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And both abandoned them the moment steam engines came along, and 
>>>>> the same with wind powered ships.
>>>>
>>>> But wind powered ships were not abandoned.
>>>
>>> They were. What fantasy land are you living in?
>>>
>>> By the 1950s there were not even clipper ships left
>>>
>>> A tramp steamer was overall just as fast on average, because it was 
>>> not subject to wind variation, and it only need a couple of stokers 
>>> and an engineer, not a crew of dozens to manage the sails
>>>
>>> In the end, once economics are not distorted by government subsidies, 
>>> fossil fuel always beats wind or solar.
>>>
>>> Abengoa. The biggest bankruptcy in Spains history. Solara4.
>>
>> Google says:
>>
>> Yes, the bankruptcy was directly related to renewable energies, but it 
>> was caused by how the company financed that transition rather than a 
>> failure of the technology itself.
>>
> ROFLMAO!
> 
> Horses didn't fail either, they just didn't get their finances sorted out.
> 
> If a technology is not financially viable, then its *failed* mate.
> 
> Renewable energy survives on corruption and subsidy. If that gets 
> removed, it collapses

LOL. Right wing propaganda.

> 
>> Solara4 was Portuguese.
>>
>>>
>>> And once fossil prices rise. nuclear is cheaper than either.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> 


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        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#35842 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 13:39 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a2q67$1qr6j$23@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35838
On 06/10/2026 13:08, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-06 13:56, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>> Renewable energy survives on corruption and subsidy. If that gets 
>> removed, it collapses
> 
> LOL. Right wing propaganda.
> 

See my attached quote from a renewable website

voiceofrenewables.com/the-sun-also-sets-inside-europes-first-big-merchant-solar-bankruptcy/


-- 
There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons 
that sound good.

Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)

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#35839 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 13:20 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a2p2b$1qr6j$18@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35837
Interesting facts about Solara renewable energy company fialure

"Spain and Portugal have spent the past several years adding solar 
capacity at a pace that has outrun the grid’s ability to absorb it, and 
the result — widely described in the industry as “cannibalisation” — is 
that huge volumes of solar power now arrive on the market at exactly the 
same sunny midday hours, driving wholesale prices toward zero and, 
increasingly often, below it. Reporting on Solara4 put its 2026 realised 
prices anywhere between $12.8 and $81.7 per megawatt-hour, a swing that 
makes a project’s debt-service calendar close to impossible to plan around.

Hugo Paz, WElink’s director for the Iberian Peninsula, effectively 
conceded the point when he told Portuguese press that a solar-only asset 
“não seria economicamente sustentável por si só” — would not be 
economically sustainable on its own. That is a striking admission from 
the company itself: the plant’s technology worked, its output was real, 
and it still could not clear its bills, because the price it was paid 
for every megawatt-hour it generated had collapsed under the weight of 
everyone else’s solar panels doing the same thing at the same time.£
.....
....
None of this happened in a vacuum. If Solara4 is the case that made 
international headlines, Spain is the market that has been quietly 
living this exact story for two years. A June 2026 analysis of 
distressed mergers and acquisitions in Spain’s renewable sector, 
published by the law firm DLA Piper and authored by partners Pablo 
Echenique, Juan Verdugo, José María Barrios, and José Marco, lays out 
the arithmetic bluntly: Spain set out to install around 18 gigawatts of 
solar capacity between 2020 and 2026 and ended up with more than 40 
gigawatts, a level of overbuild that pushed the country past 600 hours 
of negative electricity pricing by 2026 and dragged solar “capture 
ratios” — the actual value a solar plant realises compared with the 
average market price — below 10% in some months. The report notes that 
many of these projects were financed on revenue assumptions “that 
current prices cannot sustain,” which is a polite way of saying the 
business plans were written for a market that no longer exists.

The casualty list is not short. Soltec, the Spanish solar-tracker 
manufacturer and developer, filed a restructuring plan with the 
Commercial Court in Murcia in July 2025 after its debt swelled to 
roughly €385 million; it survived by selling an 80% stake to the 
investment firm DVC Partners and cutting its debt load to about €255 
million, while retreating from construction and asset-management work to 
focus on its core tracker business.

Univergy restructured around €50 million of its own debt in 2026. 
Prodiel, an Andalusian renewables group, has spent 2026 renegotiating 
roughly €110 million in obligations and selling off solar projects 
specifically to pay its creditors. Further down the size scale, the 
Barcelona self-consumption installer Solarmente — a company that once 
counted Leonardo DiCaprio among its investors — filed for bankruptcy 
protection after posting a €1.7 million loss on just €1.5 million of 
revenue, a halving of sales in a single year, while fellow installer 
Sunhero entered its own insolvency proceedings after a prolonged sales 
slump.

An Italian commentary on the Spanish situation, published as Rome 
watches nervously from across the border, put some of the operational 
numbers in even starker terms: Spanish solar plants now running at 650 
to 700 hours of production a year against an original projection of 
1,500, at average prices of €17 to 19 per megawatt-hour instead of the 
€40-plus once assumed — with loan repayments due in mid-2026 threatening 
what the piece called a coming wave of defaults. Whether Solara4 counts 
as the first domino of that wave to fall outside Spain, or simply the 
most visible one so far, is really a matter of timing rather than 
substance: the underlying mechanism is identical.

Germany’s version of the same problem looks a little different but 
rhymes closely. Rather than one headline-grabbing utility-scale 
collapse, the German market has seen strain concentrated at both ends of 
the value chain: the module manufacturer Soluxtec filed for insolvency 
in April 2026, and the project developer SoWiTec — sitting on a pipeline 
of roughly 32 gigawatts of wind and solar projects across five countries 
— cited “excessive debt” and outright illiquidity when it filed for 
insolvency, later selling off its project rights through the advisory 
firm Capcora.

Beneath those two headline cases sits a quieter, more structural problem 
that Germany’s own solar park operators are grappling with daily. Since 
2025, the country’s so-called Solarspitzengesetz (“solar peak law”) has 
withheld compensation from newer solar operators during periods of 
negative pricing, and combined with billing errors from the 
intermediaries who market operators’ power on their behalf, it is 
squeezing cash flow across the sector. “Die Liquidität ist stark 
gefährdet” — “liquidity is strongly endangered” — is how Holger 
Roswandowicz, founder and managing director of the energy consultancy HR 
Energiemanagement, put it in trade press coverage of the issue, pointing 
to individual operators who have absorbed tens of thousands of euros in 
losses from billing mistakes alone in 2026, on top of sector-wide 
revenue that fell an estimated 20% in 2025 and is projected to fall a 
further 30% this year.

Zoom out further and the same warning has been coming from the 
industry’s own trade body for years, if for a related but distinct 
reason. SolarPower Europe, in a submission to the European Commission, 
warned that the collapse of solar module and equipment prices — driven 
by Chinese oversupply rather than the wholesale power prices hitting 
plants like Solara4 — put Europe’s entire manufacturing base at risk. 
“If we don’t respond rapidly and appropriately to this price crisis, 
we’re looking at another wave of bankruptcies, and a false start for 
EU’s open strategic autonomy agenda,” said Walburga Hemetsberger, the 
association’s CEO, citing the bankruptcy of the Norwegian silicon-ingot 
producer Norwegian Crystals as an early casualty. That warning was about 
the supply side of the industry rather than plant operators, but it 
points to the same underlying vulnerability running through this entire 
story: an industry that grew explosively on the assumption that someone, 
somewhere, would keep paying a decent price for what it made or 
generated, only to discover that solar’s own success at getting cheap 
and getting built everywhere at once is what broke the price.

Italy, notably, has not yet produced a Solara4 or a Soltec of its own — 
at least not one visible in current reporting. Italian commentators have 
instead spent 2026 pointing across the border at Spain and Portugal as a 
warning of what happens next if Rome does not manage its own solar 
buildout more carefully, which suggests either that Italy’s market 
structure has so far cushioned it from the worst of the cannibalisation 
effect, or simply that its reckoning has not arrived yet."


voiceofrenewables.com/the-sun-also-sets-inside-europes-first-big-merchant-solar-bankruptcy/


None of this is *my opinion*

All of this is either *facts( or *industry insiders view of the facts*.

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#35843 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 14:43 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nik8n2FppshU12@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#35839
On 2026-10-06 14:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Interesting facts about Solara renewable energy company fialure
> 

...

> None of this is *my opinion*
> 
> All of this is either *facts( or *industry insiders view of the facts*.
> 
Contradicted by other insiders.

-- 
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#35845 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 15:23 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a308q$20mv4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35843
On 06/10/2026 13:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-06 14:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> Interesting facts about Solara renewable energy company fialure
>>
> 
> ...
> 
>> None of this is *my opinion*
>>
>> All of this is either *facts( or *industry insiders view of the facts*.
>>
> Contradicted by other insiders.
> 
Who have everything to lose by admitting the truth

Oh well. It's hardly worth arguing about. Time will tell. If you'ld 
rather have your head in the sand rather than a heads up, that is 
entirely your affair.

Just don't say I didn't warn you...

-- 
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have 
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

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#35844 — Re: OT - TV

FromJan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 14:17 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a2vth$20kbn$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35823
>The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>wrote:
>>On 05/10/2026 23:44, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> On 2026/10/5 16:33:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 05/10/2026 16:03, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> []
>>>> There is also a lot of scare mongering going around
>>>> Fear sells  (all sort of stuff).
>> 
>> Definitely. And the inability of the average Joe to compare risks.
>> 
>>>
>>> There certainly is no other reason for windmills
>>>
>> Oh, you won't give up, will you!
>> 
>> The Dutch used them for pumping, and the English for milling, for
>> centuries. (As did other nations, but those are the stereotypes.)
>> 
>
>And both abandoned them the moment steam engines came along, and the 
>same with wind powered ships.
>
>And if as I have, you had lived on the Fens, you would understand why

Na
its coming back:
From:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind-assisted_propulsion
  Flettner rotor

 Examples of 2018 Flettner rotor installations include :
Cruise ferry Viking Grace became the first passenger vessel with a rotor.
The liquid bulk tanker Maersk Pelican was retrofitted with two rotors.
The ultramax bulk carrier MV Afros received four rotors,  which can be moved
aside during port operations.

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#35846 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 15:26 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a30em$20mv4$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35844
On 06/10/2026 15:17, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>wrote:
>>> On 05/10/2026 23:44, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> On 2026/10/5 16:33:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 05/10/2026 16:03, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> []
>>>>> There is also a lot of scare mongering going around
>>>>> Fear sells  (all sort of stuff).
>>>
>>> Definitely. And the inability of the average Joe to compare risks.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> There certainly is no other reason for windmills
>>>>
>>> Oh, you won't give up, will you!
>>>
>>> The Dutch used them for pumping, and the English for milling, for
>>> centuries. (As did other nations, but those are the stereotypes.)
>>>
>>
>> And both abandoned them the moment steam engines came along, and the
>> same with wind powered ships.
>>
>> And if as I have, you had lived on the Fens, you would understand why
> 
> Na
> its coming back:
> From:
>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind-assisted_propulsion
>    Flettner rotor
> 
>   Examples of 2018 Flettner rotor installations include :
> Cruise ferry Viking Grace became the first passenger vessel with a rotor.
> The liquid bulk tanker Maersk Pelican was retrofitted with two rotors.
> The ultramax bulk carrier MV Afros received four rotors,  which can be moved
> aside during port operations.
> 
Oh dear. The Flettner has been around for at least 100 years. Its been 
shown to be worthless.

Like all technology that 'works' but doesn't make economic sense...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKPbu1d_9MY

All the rage and the coming thing in 1933. like the Nazi party,...

-- 
    "Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have 
forgotten your aim."

  George Santayana

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