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  Re: The Return Of Cassette Tape ... and punch cards? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-25 20:34 +0800
    Re: The Return Of Cassette Tape ... and punch cards? jerryab <jerryab@juno.com> - 2026-08-25 09:39 -0500
    Re: The Return Of Cassette Tape ... and punch cards? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 05:16 +0000
      Re: The Return Of Cassette Tape ... and punch cards? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 19:47 +0800
    Re: The Return Of Cassette Tape ... and punch cards? JJ <jj4public@gmail.com> - 2026-08-26 16:42 +0700
      Re: The Return Of Cassette Tape ... and punch cards? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 19:44 +0800
        Re: The Return Of Cassette Tape ... and punch cards? Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-08-28 08:05 -0700
          Re: The Return Of .... ink+pen+paper? clay tablet? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 10:23 +0800
        Re: The Return Of Cassette Tape ... and punch cards? knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2026-08-28 11:39 -0400
          Re: The Return Of Cassette Tape ... and punch cards? Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-08-28 13:07 -0700
            Re: The Return Of Cassette Tape ... and punch cards? Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-28 17:36 -0500
              Re: The Return Of ... Dark Age? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 10:33 +0800
            Re: The Return Of .... monks laboriously copying a manuscript by hand? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 10:26 +0800
            Re: The Return Of Cassette Tape ... and punch cards? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:38 +0200
              Re: The Return Of ... replication old things? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 04:43 +0800
          Re: The Return Of Cassette Tape ... and punch cards? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-29 03:51 -0400
    Re: The Return Of Cassette Tape ... and punch cards? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-26 19:50 +1000
      Re: The Return Of .... Time of creation? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 10:36 +0800

#34001 — Re: The Return Of Cassette Tape ... and punch cards?

On 8/25/2026 6:25 PM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> 
> So where's the floppy drive revival?!!
> 


And the punch cards?

How about employee clock-in machines
that actually punch cards? I am not
talking about 100% electronic ones.

I am talking about physical punching
clock-in machines, not contactless
ones.

Meow....

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#34003

On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 20:34:46 +0800, "Mr. Chang Man-wai"
<toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

>I am talking about physical punching
>clock-in machines, not contactless
>ones.

Wile E Coyote....using an Acme product.

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#34016

On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 20:34:46 +0800, Mr. Chang Man-wai wrote:

> How about employee clock-in machines that actually punch cards? I am not
> talking about 100% electronic ones.

I never saw on that would punch the card, just stamp the date and time 
with a loud clunk.

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#34090

On 8/26/2026 1:16 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 20:34:46 +0800, Mr. Chang Man-wai wrote:
> 
>> How about employee clock-in machines that actually punch cards? I am not
>> talking about 100% electronic ones.
> 
> I never saw on that would punch the card, just stamp the date and time
> with a loud clunk.

That unique, mechanical sound is a good
sign of something happened, unlike
stupid beeps and flashing LEDs. :)

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#34028

On 8/25/2026 6:25 PM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> 
> So where's the floppy drive revival?!!
> 

They've been emulated from solid drive.

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#34089

On 8/26/2026 5:42 PM, JJ wrote:
> On 8/25/2026 6:25 PM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>
>> So where's the floppy drive revival?!!
> 
> They've been emulated from solid drive.


Nothing can replace the durability and
certainty of ink, pen/stamp and paper.
They are physical, unlike electronics
including computers and cellphones.
Of course, there was/is fake and/or
fading inks. Meow.... :)

-- 

    @~@   Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
   / v \  May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
  /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^   https://github.com/changmw/changmw
          The game is afoot... Meow...

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#34102

On 8/28/26 04:44, Mr. Chang Man-wai wrote:
> On 8/26/2026 5:42 PM, JJ wrote:
>> On 8/25/2026 6:25 PM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>>
>>> So where's the floppy drive revival?!!
>>
>> They've been emulated from solid drive.
> 
> 
> Nothing can replace the durability and
> certainty of ink, pen/stamp and paper.
> They are physical, unlike electronics
> including computers and cellphones.
> Of course, there was/is fake and/or
> fading inks. Meow.... :)
> 

Except for clay tablets baked in a good, hot fire.

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#34115 — Re: The Return Of .... ink+pen+paper? clay tablet?

On 8/28/2026 11:05 PM, Peter Flass wrote:
> On 8/28/26 04:44, Mr. Chang Man-wai wrote:
>>
>> Nothing can replace the durability and
>> certainty of ink, pen/stamp and paper.
>> ....
> 
> Except for clay tablets baked in a good, hot fire.

You can use modern computer technology to
produce clay tablets. It's just impact
printing back in the days of dot-matrix
printers, Professor! And even older tech
that is type-writer!!! ;)

The Babylonian Map of the World with Irving Finkel
| Curator’s Corner S9 Ep5 - YouTube
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUxFzh8r384>

Leroy Anderson Ritvélin The Typewriter - YouTube
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiXTyqaOFnE>

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   / v \  May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
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          The game is afoot... Meow...

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#34103

On 08/28/2026 7:44 AM, Mr. Chang Man-wai wrote:
> On 8/26/2026 5:42 PM, JJ wrote:
>> On 8/25/2026 6:25 PM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>>
>>> So where's the floppy drive revival?!!
>>
>> They've been emulated from solid drive.
> 
> 
> Nothing can replace the durability and
> certainty of ink, pen/stamp and paper.
> They are physical, unlike electronics
> including computers and cellphones.
> Of course, there was/is fake and/or
> fading inks. Meow.... :)
> 
That is one thing that bothers me, If the many pages of my genealogy 
work were on paper, I could be found 100 years from now, be read. 
Barring catastrophe.  The failure of an organization, or an unfortunate 
press of he delete key could remove 20 years of work.  I wonder it my 
hard drives would even be readable in 100 year.

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#34106

On 8/28/26 08:39, knuttle wrote:
> On 08/28/2026 7:44 AM, Mr. Chang Man-wai wrote:
>> On 8/26/2026 5:42 PM, JJ wrote:
>>> On 8/25/2026 6:25 PM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So where's the floppy drive revival?!!
>>>
>>> They've been emulated from solid drive.
>>
>>
>> Nothing can replace the durability and
>> certainty of ink, pen/stamp and paper.
>> They are physical, unlike electronics
>> including computers and cellphones.
>> Of course, there was/is fake and/or
>> fading inks. Meow.... :)
>>
> That is one thing that bothers me, If the many pages of my genealogy 
> work were on paper, I could be found 100 years from now, be read. 
> Barring catastrophe.  The failure of an organization, or an unfortunate 
> press of he delete key could remove 20 years of work.  I wonder it my 
> hard drives would even be readable in 100 year.

The benefit is digital is replication. Instead of a roomful of monks 
laboriously copying a manuscript by hand, that one press of a button can 
replicate your work across the world.

Of course this is only as good as the systems supporting it. I wrote 
Ancestry asking what provisions they had for protecting my data in the 
event of a bankruptcy or similar catastrophe, and didn't get a very 
satisfying answer.

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#34113

Peter Flass wrote on 8/28/2026 3:07 PM:
> On 8/28/26 08:39, knuttle wrote:
>> On 08/28/2026 7:44 AM, Mr. Chang Man-wai wrote:
>>> On 8/26/2026 5:42 PM, JJ wrote:
>>>> On 8/25/2026 6:25 PM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So where's the floppy drive revival?!!
>>>>
>>>> They've been emulated from solid drive.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nothing can replace the durability and
>>> certainty of ink, pen/stamp and paper.
>>> They are physical, unlike electronics
>>> including computers and cellphones.
>>> Of course, there was/is fake and/or
>>> fading inks. Meow.... :)
>>>
>> That is one thing that bothers me, If the many pages of my genealogy 
>> work were on paper, I could be found 100 years from now, be read. 
>> Barring catastrophe.  The failure of an organization, or an 
>> unfortunate press of he delete key could remove 20 years of work.  I 
>> wonder it my hard drives would even be readable in 100 year.
> 
> The benefit is digital is replication. Instead of a roomful of monks 
> laboriously copying a manuscript by hand, that one press of a button can 
> replicate your work across the world.
> 
> Of course this is only as good as the systems supporting it. I wrote 
> Ancestry asking what provisions they had for protecting my data in the 
> event of a bankruptcy or similar catastrophe, and didn't get a very 
> satisfying answer.

What?  Did ancestry fire all their monks?  That's a damn shame.

Bastards.

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#34117 — Re: The Return Of ... Dark Age?

On 8/29/2026 6:36 AM, Hank Rogers wrote:
> 
> What?  Did ancestry fire all their monks?  That's a damn shame.
Maybe it was NOT man-made, but by the
hands of Gods!?

Spontaneous human combustion - Wikipedia
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_human_combustion>

Avengers: Infinity War (2018) - "Snap Of Disintegration"
| Movie Clip HD - YouTube
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWhEgdh0X9c>

< 灰飛煙滅 : ㄏㄨㄟ ㄈㄟ ㄧㄢ ㄇㄧㄝˋ >
辭典檢視 - 教育部《重編國語辭典修訂本》2021
<https://dict.revised.moe.edu.tw/dictView.jsp?ID=84805&la=0&powerMode=0>

Crucifixion of Jesus - Wikipedia
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_of_Jesus>

Witch trials in the early modern period - Wikipedia
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_trials_in_the_early_modern_period>

歐洲黑暗時代 - 維基百科，自由的百科全書
<https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-hk/%E6%AD%90%E6%B4%B2%E9%BB%91%E6%9A%97%E6%99%82%E4%BB%A3>
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#34116 — Re: The Return Of .... monks laboriously copying a manuscript by hand?

On 8/29/2026 4:07 AM, Peter Flass wrote:
> 
> The benefit is digital is replication. Instead of a roomful of monks
> laboriously copying a manuscript by hand, that one press of a button can
> replicate your work across the world.

You over-underestimated and over-looked
the Holy hands, fingers and FAITH!!

Machines are NOT flesh and blood,
Your Holiness. God's initial
creation does NOT have machines.

-- 

    @~@   Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
   / v \  May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
  /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^   https://github.com/changmw/changmw
          The game is afoot... Meow...

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#34159

On 2026-08-28 22:07, Peter Flass wrote:
> On 8/28/26 08:39, knuttle wrote:
>> On 08/28/2026 7:44 AM, Mr. Chang Man-wai wrote:
>>> On 8/26/2026 5:42 PM, JJ wrote:
>>>> On 8/25/2026 6:25 PM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So where's the floppy drive revival?!!
>>>>
>>>> They've been emulated from solid drive.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nothing can replace the durability and
>>> certainty of ink, pen/stamp and paper.
>>> They are physical, unlike electronics
>>> including computers and cellphones.
>>> Of course, there was/is fake and/or
>>> fading inks. Meow.... :)
>>>
>> That is one thing that bothers me, If the many pages of my genealogy 
>> work were on paper, I could be found 100 years from now, be read. 
>> Barring catastrophe.  The failure of an organization, or an 
>> unfortunate press of he delete key could remove 20 years of work.  I 
>> wonder it my hard drives would even be readable in 100 year.
> 
> The benefit is digital is replication. Instead of a roomful of monks 
> laboriously copying a manuscript by hand, that one press of a button can 
> replicate your work across the world.

That is if you do it fast as technology changes. I can hardly replicate 
my data stored in hundreds of floppies. Even old hard disks are difficult.

> 
> Of course this is only as good as the systems supporting it. I wrote 
> Ancestry asking what provisions they had for protecting my data in the 
> event of a bankruptcy or similar catastrophe, and didn't get a very 
> satisfying answer.


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#34161 — Re: The Return Of ... replication old things?

On 8/30/2026 4:38 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-08-28 22:07, Peter Flass wrote:
>>
>> The benefit is digital is replication. Instead of a roomful of monks
>> laboriously copying a manuscript by hand, that one press of a button can
>> replicate your work across the world.
> 
> That is if you do it fast as technology changes. I can hardly replicate
> my data stored in hundreds of floppies. Even old hard disks are difficult.

Why do you and you wanna replicate
and copy things? To steal money
out of archeology objects?

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    @~@   Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
   / v \  May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
  /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^   https://github.com/changmw/changmw
          The game is afoot... Meow...

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#34136

On Fri, 8/28/2026 11:39 AM, knuttle wrote:
> On 08/28/2026 7:44 AM, Mr. Chang Man-wai wrote:
>> On 8/26/2026 5:42 PM, JJ wrote:
>>> On 8/25/2026 6:25 PM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So where's the floppy drive revival?!!
>>>
>>> They've been emulated from solid drive.
>>
>>
>> Nothing can replace the durability and
>> certainty of ink, pen/stamp and paper.
>> They are physical, unlike electronics
>> including computers and cellphones.
>> Of course, there was/is fake and/or
>> fading inks. Meow.... :)
>>
> That is one thing that bothers me, If the many pages of my genealogy work were on paper, 
> I could be found 100 years from now, be read. Barring catastrophe. The failure of an 
> organization, or an unfortunate press of he delete key could remove 20 years of work.  
> I wonder it my hard drives would even be readable in 100 year.

The M-DISC used to be made by a small startup company. It went bankrupt.
Verbatim acquired it. The M-DISC DVDs immediately disappeared. Leaving
the BD-R 25GB ones. Apparently, within the last few years, the electronic
label on the BD-R M-DISC changed, indicating they're not M-DISC and not
made in the M-DISC factory. This means you're back to using "gold" DVDs
for archival store.

   https://www.pcworld.com/article/423607/hard-core-data-preservation-the-best-media-and-methods-for-archiving-your-data.html

Not all the advice in that article, makes sense. Modern Hard Drives, have
servo wedges, that are written once at the factory, and must remain
functional for the life of the drive. If re-writing the sectors every three
years was a "clever" thing to do, then the servo wedges stand to limit
the service life of the drive. You would not use Helium drives for
archival storage (these have welded lids and no screws visible on top),
as the Helium cannot stay in those drives forever. Lower capacity drives
are air-breathers.

When you purchase hard drives, none of the pictures are "real" pictures,
it's all a lot of fakery. For example, the last HDD I bought, it has solid
aluminum structures set aside to be drilled and tapped, yet, they did not
drill and tap those! This means two of the mounting holes I could have
had, were missing. This is the advantage of advertisements that use
"real straight from factory" pictures and not the AL Slop pictures that
are so popular in marketing.

Kingston used to solve this problem, by showing engineering drawings on their
web site, for DIMM products. This allowed a customer to "inspect" the construction
and tell what they were getting. Few companies do a thing like that. Disk drives
really need that now, because of mounting hole practices. And an assortment
of other lies or omissions. Disk drives actually have a 100 page document each,
with all sorts of information about a design. Due to the inaccuracies in the
marketing information, this kind of document is what we should be using when
selecting products.

Summary: You're delusional if you think your time capsule is lasting 100 years.
         Our supply of tech toys, is too tentative to be making such predictions.
         And as fast as we identify a superior solution, the company making it
         goes out of business. I would think 40 years is a good target
         for time capsules, and still, with adequate temperature and humidity control.
         You can't store a time capsule in a 130F garage :-) Maybe your 12 color
         fine art prints on special paper, the yellow fades out at 130F.

         Lots of people, put no effort into the container for the time capsule.
         They may use "good media" to some end, then use a Glad garbage bag as the
         outer protection. I haven't been to any back yard ceremonies where a
         purpose built container with good gaskets was used. It's always a mayonnaise
         jar with a rusted-thru lid :-) The lids rust on those.

   Paul

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#34030

On 25/08/2026 10:34 pm, Mr. Chang Man-wai wrote:
> On 8/25/2026 6:25 PM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>
>> So where's the floppy drive revival?!!
>>
> And the punch cards?
> 
> How about employee clock-in machines
> that actually punch cards? I am not
> talking about 100% electronic ones.
> 
> I am talking about physical punching
> clock-in machines, not contactless
> ones.
> 
> Meow....
> 
Do 'we' need Time Clocks .... or can The Boss just check what time 'we' 
turn our Work Computers "On" and "Off"??
-- 
Daniel70

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#34118 — Re: The Return Of .... Time of creation?

On 8/26/2026 5:50 PM, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 25/08/2026 10:34 pm, Mr. Chang Man-wai wrote:
>>
>> How about employee clock-in machines
>> that actually punch cards? I am not
>> talking about 100% electronic ones.
>>
> Do 'we' need Time Clocks .... or can The Boss just check what time 'we'
> turn our Work Computers "On" and "Off"??



The Sun, the Moon and the stars!! They last
longer than marble stones, don't they? Since
the BIG BANG of Creation? :)

And what is time? Is it just God's feeling?


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   / v \  May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
  /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^   https://github.com/changmw/changmw
          The game is afoot... Meow...

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