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  OT: just some laptop complaining T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-02 15:01 -0700
    Re: OT: just some laptop complaining "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2026-07-02 21:51 -0400
      Re: OT: just some laptop complaining "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2026-07-02 21:59 -0400
      Re: OT: just some laptop complaining T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-02 20:09 -0700
    Re: OT: just some laptop complaining "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 11:35 +0800
    Re: OT: just some laptop complaining Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-03 08:01 +0100
    Re: OT: just some laptop complaining Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-03 05:13 -0400
    Re: OT: just some laptop complaining "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:36 +0200
      Re: OT: just some laptop complaining "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 23:45 +0800
      Re: OT: just some laptop complaining T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 13:50 -0700
        Re: OT: just some laptop complaining ... Ghosts? Magic? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 13:08 +0800
        Re: OT: just some laptop complaining "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-04 22:09 +0200
          Re: OT: just some laptop complaining T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 13:38 -0700
            Re: OT: just some laptop complaining rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-06 00:50 +0000
              Re: OT: just some laptop complaining T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 20:18 -0700
                Re: OT: just some laptop complaining rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-06 03:51 +0000
                  Re: OT: just some laptop complaining T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 22:20 -0700
                    Re: OT: just some laptop complaining rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-06 19:35 +0000
                      Re: OT: just some laptop complaining "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2026-07-06 15:47 -0400
                        Re: OT: just some laptop complaining "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-06 22:02 +0200
                        Re: OT: just some laptop complaining "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-06 22:28 +0200
                          Re: OT: just some laptop complaining "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2026-07-06 17:36 -0400
                          Re: OT: just some laptop complaining "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-07 08:35 +0200
                        Re: OT: just some laptop complaining rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-07 04:28 +0000
            Re: OT: just some laptop complaining "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-06 17:57 +0200
              Re: OT: just some laptop complaining T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-06 13:27 -0700
      Re: OT: just some laptop complaining Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-07-04 23:54 +1000
        Re: OT: just some laptop complaining "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-04 22:10 +0200
          Re: OT: just some laptop complaining Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-07-05 21:48 +1000
            Re: OT: just some laptop complaining "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-05 19:28 +0200
      Re: OT: just ... "lager" <-- larger!! spelling mistae? typing? beer??? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 22:28 +0800
        Re: OT: just ... "lager" <-- larger!! spelling mistae? typing? beer??? Sam E <no.email@here.invalid> - 2026-07-05 15:49 +0000
          Re: OT: just ... "lager" <-- larger!! spelling mistae? typing? beer??? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 10:01 +0800
            Re: OT: just ... "lager" <-- larger!! spelling mistae? typing? beer??? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 11:46 +0800
        Re: OT: just ... "lager" <-- larger!! spelling mistae? typing? beer??? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Darth Wader) - 2026-07-06 03:14 +0100

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#32806 — OT: just some laptop complaining

Is it just me, or have you guys had a lot of people
who want laptops but then when they get them, what
fonts so big that web pages have a hard time rendering?
To the point of being almost unusable?

AAAAAHHHHH !!!!!

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#32807

On 7/2/26 6:01 PM, T wrote:
> Is it just me, or have you guys had a lot of people
> who want laptops but then when they get them, what
> fonts so big that web pages have a hard time rendering?
> To the point of being almost unusable?
> 
> AAAAAHHHHH !!!!!
Not trying to make a windows/linux feud, but in Linux I'm able to make the default font 
larger irrespective of the remainder of the UI.  So web pages look the same.  But menus 
are larger etc.  It's one of the reasons I stay with Linux.  I can liberally adjust things 
I couldn't in Windows.

-- 
Mint 22.3,  Thunderbird 140.12.0esr,  Firefox 152.0.4
     Alan K.

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#32808

On 7/2/26 9:51 PM, Alan K. wrote:
> On 7/2/26 6:01 PM, T wrote:
>> Is it just me, or have you guys had a lot of people
>> who want laptops but then when they get them, what
>> fonts so big that web pages have a hard time rendering?
>> To the point of being almost unusable?
>>
>> AAAAAHHHHH !!!!!
> Not trying to make a windows/linux feud, but in Linux I'm able to make the default font
> larger irrespective of the remainder of the UI.  So web pages look the same.  But menus
> are larger etc.  It's one of the reasons I stay with Linux.  I can liberally adjust things
> I couldn't in Windows.
> 
However on the other side of things, my wife has windows 11 and rather than scale the 
fonts large (fonts specifically), she adjusted the desktop resolution down to 1366x768 
(from 1920x1080).  I hate it, but she couldn't see anything in Quicken or Word, (her go to 
software).

I find it a sad state that MS seems to know that things are too small, that's why they 
recommend 125% or 150% scaling.  Rather than leave a HDPI resolution but scale up the UI 
alone.

Maybe I'm not savvy enough but it just seems wrong. With the post war baby-boomers coming 
older and eye sight not 20-20 you'd think things like that would be a design to look into.

-- 
Mint 22.3,  Thunderbird 140.12.0esr,  Firefox 152.0.4
     Alan K.

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#32809

On 7/2/26 6:51 PM, Alan K. wrote:
> On 7/2/26 6:01 PM, T wrote:
>> Is it just me, or have you guys had a lot of people
>> who want laptops but then when they get them, what
>> fonts so big that web pages have a hard time rendering?
>> To the point of being almost unusable?
>>
>> AAAAAHHHHH !!!!!
> Not trying to make a windows/linux feud, but in Linux I'm able to make 
> the default font larger irrespective of the remainder of the UI.  So web 
> pages look the same.  But menus are larger etc.  It's one of the reasons 
> I stay with Linux.  I can liberally adjust things I couldn't in Windows.
> 

The last one was Linux.  I scaled everything up and I had to
scale up her browser too.

brave-browser --force-device-scale-factor=1.5

In Linux, everything is customizable.  Well almost.

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#32811

On 7/3/2026 6:01 AM, T wrote:
> Is it just me, or have you guys had a lot of people
> who want laptops but then when they get them, what
> fonts so big that web pages have a hard time rendering?
> To the point of being almost unusable?

Don't you notice that laptops' screens are
so small? They will hurt your eyes slowly.

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#32812

T wrote:

> Is it just me, or have you guys had a lot of people
> who want laptops but then when they get them, what
> fonts so big that web pages have a hard time rendering?
> To the point of being almost unusable?
People don't like tiny fonts from high-DPI screens without a scaling 
factor;  but mostly they tend to buy about 14" laptops with cheapo 
1366x768 screens, so they don't have high-DPI screens to start with.

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#32813

On Thu, 7/2/2026 6:01 PM, T wrote:
> Is it just me, or have you guys had a lot of people
> who want laptops but then when they get them, what
> fonts so big that web pages have a hard time rendering?
> To the point of being almost unusable?
> 
> AAAAAHHHHH !!!!!

Maybe you should turn on the magnifying glass ? :-)

On the 4K 27" monitor, I had to set the scaling on that.
You'd need a microscope to see anything, otherwise. What I
got, was pretty well the only 4K monitor in stock at the time.

The scroll-wheel can proportional-scale applications
and also the desktop. Going the custom font path, is
more likely to have text running into edges, if you
overdo it.

It's too bad the "hidden AI" in the machine cannot
do these things for you :-) Maybe when Windows 12 shows up.
Think how many "doo-flickies" you will have to adjust
on a Windows 12 service call :-) <CoPilot> "I can put
ranch dressing on your french fries!". <Customer> "Do it!".
"T, T, come quick, something happened to my W12 laptop"
and you hear snickering in the background of the call.

   Paul

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#32817

On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 15:01:44 -0700, T wrote:

> Is it just me, or have you guys had a lot of people
> who want laptops but then when they get them, what
> fonts so big that web pages have a hard time rendering?
> To the point of being almost unusable?
> 
> AAAAAHHHHH !!!!!

I got my uncle (born 1956) a 17" laptop. Haven't got a call (yet) he
wants lager font. He did call me to tell one of the usb-c ports wasn't
working (for charging), but when I got there and tested them they both
worked. <sigh>

-- 
s|b

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#32818

On 7/3/2026 10:36 PM, s|b wrote:
> 
> I got my uncle (born 1956) a 17" laptop. Haven't 
> got a call (yet) he wants lager font. He did 
> call me to tell one of the usb-c ports wasn't
> working (for charging), but when I got there 
> and tested them they both worked. <sigh>


Then it must be any other business,
including secret ones. ;)

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   / v \  May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
  /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^   https://github.com/changmw/changmw
          The game is afoot... Meow...

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#32821

On 7/3/26 7:36 AM, s|b wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 15:01:44 -0700, T wrote:
> 
>> Is it just me, or have you guys had a lot of people
>> who want laptops but then when they get them, what
>> fonts so big that web pages have a hard time rendering?
>> To the point of being almost unusable?
>>
>> AAAAAHHHHH !!!!!
> 
> I got my uncle (born 1956) a 17" laptop. Haven't got a call (yet) he
> wants lager font. He did call me to tell one of the usb-c ports wasn't
> working (for charging), but when I got there and tested them they both
> worked. <sigh>
> 


I think they are allergic to wires.  If all they do
is surf and read eMail and demand 1/2" letters, they'd
be much better off with a tablet.  Then they can
temporarily expand what they want with two fingers.

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#32831 — Re: OT: just some laptop complaining ... Ghosts? Magic?

On 7/4/2026 4:50 AM, T wrote:
> On 7/3/26 7:36 AM, s|b wrote:
>>
>> I got my uncle (born 1956) a 17" laptop. Haven't got a call (yet) he
>> wants lager font. He did call me to tell one of the usb-c ports wasn't
>> working (for charging), but when I got there and tested them they both
>> worked. <sigh>
> 
> I think they are allergic to wires....


Only ghosts are allergic to wires?? :)

-- 

    @~@   Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
   / v \  May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
  /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^   https://github.com/changmw/changmw
          The game is afoot... Meow...

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#32841

On Fri, 3 Jul 2026 13:50:28 -0700, T wrote:

> I think they are allergic to wires.  If all they do
> is surf and read eMail and demand 1/2" letters, they'd
> be much better off with a tablet.  Then they can
> temporarily expand what they want with two fingers.

I added my uncle's Gmail to Thunderbird. He had over *14.000* mails in
it. Then followed the gruesome task of unsubscribing him to various
newsletters.

-- 
s|b

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#32854

On 7/4/26 1:09 PM, s|b wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jul 2026 13:50:28 -0700, T wrote:
> 
>> I think they are allergic to wires.  If all they do
>> is surf and read eMail and demand 1/2" letters, they'd
>> be much better off with a tablet.  Then they can
>> temporarily expand what they want with two fingers.
> 
> I added my uncle's Gmail to Thunderbird. He had over *14.000* mails in
> it. Then followed the gruesome task of unsubscribing him to various
> newsletters.
> 

Was he able to understand pressing the delete key too?

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#32855

On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 13:38:50 -0700, T wrote:

> On 7/4/26 1:09 PM, s|b wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Jul 2026 13:50:28 -0700, T wrote:
>> 
>>> I think they are allergic to wires.  If all they do is surf and read
>>> eMail and demand 1/2" letters, they'd be much better off with a
>>> tablet.  Then they can temporarily expand what they want with two
>>> fingers.
>> 
>> I added my uncle's Gmail to Thunderbird. He had over *14.000* mails in
>> it. Then followed the gruesome task of unsubscribing him to various
>> newsletters.
>> 
>> 
> Was he able to understand pressing the delete key too?

iirc 'select all' on the gmail website isn't the easiest thing to find. I 
have a throwaway email on proton.me that I seldom visit. At some time I 
must have registered with the Washington Post to read an article. I 
remembered to save one email to unsubscribe before doing the bulk delete.

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#32860

On 7/5/26 5:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 13:38:50 -0700, T wrote:
> 
>> On 7/4/26 1:09 PM, s|b wrote:
>>> On Fri, 3 Jul 2026 13:50:28 -0700, T wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think they are allergic to wires.  If all they do is surf and read
>>>> eMail and demand 1/2" letters, they'd be much better off with a
>>>> tablet.  Then they can temporarily expand what they want with two
>>>> fingers.
>>>
>>> I added my uncle's Gmail to Thunderbird. He had over *14.000* mails in
>>> it. Then followed the gruesome task of unsubscribing him to various
>>> newsletters.
>>>
>>>
>> Was he able to understand pressing the delete key too?
> 
> iirc 'select all' on the gmail website isn't the easiest thing to find. I
> have a throwaway email on proton.me that I seldom visit. At some time I
> must have registered with the Washington Post to read an article. I
> remembered to save one email to unsubscribe before doing the bulk delete.

<ctrl><A> ain't that had to find

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#32862

On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 20:18:44 -0700, T wrote:

> On 7/5/26 5:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 13:38:50 -0700, T wrote:
>> 
>>> On 7/4/26 1:09 PM, s|b wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 3 Jul 2026 13:50:28 -0700, T wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think they are allergic to wires.  If all they do is surf and read
>>>>> eMail and demand 1/2" letters, they'd be much better off with a
>>>>> tablet.  Then they can temporarily expand what they want with two
>>>>> fingers.
>>>>
>>>> I added my uncle's Gmail to Thunderbird. He had over *14.000* mails
>>>> in it. Then followed the gruesome task of unsubscribing him to
>>>> various newsletters.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Was he able to understand pressing the delete key too?
>> 
>> iirc 'select all' on the gmail website isn't the easiest thing to find.
>> I have a throwaway email on proton.me that I seldom visit. At some time
>> I must have registered with the Washington Post to read an article. I
>> remembered to save one email to unsubscribe before doing the bulk
>> delete.
> 
> <ctrl><A> ain't that had to find

Which does nothing in the mail.google.com web interface. The current one 
has a box with a pulldown to select all, but I don't think the older 
versions did. proton.me has a similar box. 

I was not talking about Thunderbird. 

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#32863

On 7/5/26 8:51 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 20:18:44 -0700, T wrote:
> 
>> On 7/5/26 5:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 13:38:50 -0700, T wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/4/26 1:09 PM, s|b wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 3 Jul 2026 13:50:28 -0700, T wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think they are allergic to wires.  If all they do is surf and read
>>>>>> eMail and demand 1/2" letters, they'd be much better off with a
>>>>>> tablet.  Then they can temporarily expand what they want with two
>>>>>> fingers.
>>>>>
>>>>> I added my uncle's Gmail to Thunderbird. He had over *14.000* mails
>>>>> in it. Then followed the gruesome task of unsubscribing him to
>>>>> various newsletters.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Was he able to understand pressing the delete key too?
>>>
>>> iirc 'select all' on the gmail website isn't the easiest thing to find.
>>> I have a throwaway email on proton.me that I seldom visit. At some time
>>> I must have registered with the Washington Post to read an article. I
>>> remembered to save one email to unsubscribe before doing the bulk
>>> delete.
>>
>> <ctrl><A> ain't that had to find
> 
> Which does nothing in the mail.google.com web interface. The current one
> has a box with a pulldown to select all, but I don't think the older
> versions did. proton.me has a similar box.
> 
> I was not talking about Thunderbird.
> 


I can't stand web mail.  But that is only me apparently.
I use Thunderbird/Betterbird for a reason.

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#32872

On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 22:20:27 -0700, T wrote:

> On 7/5/26 8:51 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 20:18:44 -0700, T wrote:
>> 
>>> On 7/5/26 5:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 13:38:50 -0700, T wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/4/26 1:09 PM, s|b wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 3 Jul 2026 13:50:28 -0700, T wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think they are allergic to wires.  If all they do is surf and
>>>>>>> read eMail and demand 1/2" letters, they'd be much better off with
>>>>>>> a tablet.  Then they can temporarily expand what they want with
>>>>>>> two fingers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I added my uncle's Gmail to Thunderbird. He had over *14.000* mails
>>>>>> in it. Then followed the gruesome task of unsubscribing him to
>>>>>> various newsletters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Was he able to understand pressing the delete key too?
>>>>
>>>> iirc 'select all' on the gmail website isn't the easiest thing to
>>>> find.
>>>> I have a throwaway email on proton.me that I seldom visit. At some
>>>> time I must have registered with the Washington Post to read an
>>>> article. I remembered to save one email to unsubscribe before doing
>>>> the bulk delete.
>>>
>>> <ctrl><A> ain't that had to find
>> 
>> Which does nothing in the mail.google.com web interface. The current
>> one has a box with a pulldown to select all, but I don't think the
>> older versions did. proton.me has a similar box.
>> 
>> I was not talking about Thunderbird.
>> 
>> 
> 
> I can't stand web mail.  But that is only me apparently.
> I use Thunderbird/Betterbird for a reason.


I seldom use the web interface. What arrives in gmail is automatically 
pulled down and appears in my regular email account. However it isn't 
deleted from gmail so if I think of it I go and take the trash out.

The proton.me account is not associated with my normal email but there is 
very little traffic.

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#32873

On 7/6/26 3:35 PM, rbowman wrote:
> I seldom use the web interface. What arrives in gmail is automatically
> pulled down and appears in my regular email account. However it isn't
> deleted from gmail so if I think of it I go and take the trash out.

My reading says that Gmail will automatically delete items older than 90 days.
At least it does on mine.   I'd love to have it keep old stuff longer.

-- 
Mint 22.3,  Thunderbird 140.12.0esr,  Firefox 152.0.4
     Alan K.

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#32874

On 2026-07-06 21:47, Alan K. wrote:
> On 7/6/26 3:35 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> I seldom use the web interface. What arrives in gmail is automatically
>> pulled down and appears in my regular email account. However it isn't
>> deleted from gmail so if I think of it I go and take the trash out.
> 
> My reading says that Gmail will automatically delete items older than 90 
> days.
> At least it does on mine.   I'd love to have it keep old stuff longer.
> 

Gmail deletes nothing, except spam and trash.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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