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  All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas User 7of9 <nobody@none.invalid> - 2026-07-03 19:20 +0000
    Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> - 2026-07-03 21:53 +0100
      Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas User 7of9 <nobody@none.invalid> - 2026-07-03 22:09 +0000
        Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-04 00:05 -0400
    Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 13:10 +0800
    Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas  [OT] Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2026-07-04 12:13 +0100
      Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas  [OT] "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-04 16:24 +0100
        Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas  [OT] Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202607.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2026-07-04 18:46 +0200
      Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas [OT] Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-07-05 09:01 +0000
        Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas [OT] Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2026-07-05 15:08 +0100
          Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas User 7of9 <nobody@none.invalid> - 2026-07-05 17:51 +0000
      Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas [OT] Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202607.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2026-07-13 17:57 +0200
        Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 01:24 +0800
    Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-04 22:14 +0200
    Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 09:54 +0800

#32820 — All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas

People in London will all be in one big jail!

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/j_haVCMrX4U

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#32822

On Fri, 03 Jul 2026 19:20:21 +0000, User 7of9 <nobody@none.invalid>
wrote:

>People in London will all be in one big jail!
>
>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/j_haVCMrX4U


Good. Slam the crooks up one big jail and throw away the key.

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#32824

On Fri, 03 Jul 2026 21:53:25 +0100 Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:


>Good. Slam the crooks up one big jail and throw away the key.
>

Coming to your town/city soon! lol

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#32825

On Fri, 7/3/2026 6:09 PM, User 7of9 wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Jul 2026 21:53:25 +0100 Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Good. Slam the crooks up one big jail and throw away the key.
>>
> 
> Coming to your town/city soon! lol
> 
Shocking.

As long as they provide prints suitable for framing,
it sounds like a good deal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearview_AI

   "In March of 2026, national news outlets reported that the Fargo,
    North Dakota police department had falsely arrested, and had extradited
    from her home state, a Tennessee woman on charges of using a fake
    military ID to commit bank fraud. The evidence used for the
    false arrest was a facial recognition match from Clearview AI
    software. This was despite the fact that the woman had never
    visited North Dakota before and exculpatory evidence existed
    showing the woman was shopping in Tennessee at the time the
    fraud was committed."

"Indiana wants me, but I can't go back there..."

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZL_tZxyBDo

The surveillance state already exists -- that's why your sweet
fine face is already in that database.

     Paul

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#32832

On 7/4/2026 3:20 AM, User 7of9 wrote:
> People in London will all be in one big jail!
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/j_haVCMrX4U
> 

Please go alt.conspiracy !! Your video
and message are both irrelevant to

alt.comp.os.windows-11
alt.comp.os.windows-10
alt.comp.freeware
misc.phone.mobile.iphone


I dunno alt.privacy.anon-server!!
Is it just a junk yard like
alt.dev.null
and
comp.lang.literate
??

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#32835 — Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas [OT]

In article <20260703192021.83cab79890ea2e7e2e7949c1@dizum.com>, 
nobody@none.invalid says...
>
>People in London will all be in one big jail!
>
>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/j_haVCMrX4U

This is something I know about, as I work closely with our local police 
in North East London.

Yes, it's reasonable to have some concerns about a technology like this.  
The sort of society we want won't be tracking ordinary citizens as they 
go about their daily lives.  But we do want to stop criminals messing up 
those daily lives.

The key distinction between "Big Brother State" and "reasonable 
vigilance" is the issue of how you get on a 'watchlist'.  If the cameras 
are 'harvesting' images and saving them, that would go beyond what the 
vast majority of British people would want, or tolerate.  But that's not 
what's happening here.

The cameras do recognise what appear to be faces, capture images of them 
(most likely in RAM rather than persistant storage) and scan them 
against a pre-existing watchlist, which will have images of people 
already wanted (e.g. people wanted for recall to prison for breaching 
license conditions).

If a match is suggested, the image captured is then stored, and sent 
with the watchlist image it potentially matches, to a nearby police 
officer.  If he/she is satisfied there's a likely match, he/she will 
speak to the individual concerned to establish identity, using existing 
legal powers to "stop and account".  The system plays no further part in 
this.

If a match is not found, or is rejected by the officer, it is discarded 
and deleted if it has been temporarily stored - it is of no use to the 
police at this point.  I'm not sure if images which generate verified 
matches are stored - but once an officer has verified identity they 
aren't likely to be of any significance (I'll ask one day!).  Compare 
that with routine CCTV, where your image may be stored for days, weeks 
or years.

The system works well, and usually generates a number of arrests of 
people who are will necessarily be already wanted - or their image would 
not be in the watchlist.

The systems are made very conspicuous, with signs on nearby streets 
warning of their (temporary) presence - personally I think that's 
unnecessary.

The system is functionally equivalent to a police officer happening to 
recognise someone from a mugshot seen inside the police station - no 
more,no less.

Now I'm sure Joe Conspiracy will be on here mumbling something about how 
the vaccinations turn us all into transgender as soon as the 5g is 
switched on, but those of less febrile disposition can learn more about 
the system here:

https://www.met.police.uk/police-forces/metropolitan-police/areas/about-
us/about-the-met/facial-recognition-technology/

For reference, I chair a local panel representing the views of residents 
to the Metropolitan Police, and have done for the last 25 years.  It's 
right to ask searching questions about things like this, but it's also 
right to listen to the answers.

-- 
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Phil, London

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#32839 — Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas [OT]

On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 12:13:01 +0100
Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> wrote:

> In article <20260703192021.83cab79890ea2e7e2e7949c1@dizum.com>, 
> nobody@none.invalid says...
> >
> >People in London will all be in one big jail!
> >
> >https://www.youtube.com/shorts/j_haVCMrX4U
> 

[Sensible reply omitted]


note the xposts that came from a throwaway dizum account with a bare
youtube link. 

fu to the privacy ng only


-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#32840 — Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas [OT]

In article <20260704162426.72e7c316e0cf355dd4621797@127.0.0.1>
"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 12:13:01 +0100
> Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <20260703192021.83cab79890ea2e7e2e7949c1@dizum.com>,
> > nobody@none.invalid says...
> > >
> > >People in London will all be in one big jail!
> > >
> > >https://www.youtube.com/shorts/j_haVCMrX4U
> >
>
> [Sensible reply omitted]
>
>
> note the xposts that came from a throwaway dizum account with a bare
> youtube link.
>
> fu to the privacy ng only
>

Yawn.

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#32845 — Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas [OT]

Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> wrote:
> In article <20260703192021.83cab79890ea2e7e2e7949c1@dizum.com>, 
> nobody@none.invalid says...
>> 
>> People in London will all be in one big jail!
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/j_haVCMrX4U
> 
> This is something I know about, as I work closely with our local police 
> in North East London.
> 
> Yes, it's reasonable to have some concerns about a technology like this.  
> The sort of society we want won't be tracking ordinary citizens as they 
> go about their daily lives.  But we do want to stop criminals messing up 
> those daily lives.
> 
> The key distinction between "Big Brother State" and "reasonable 
> vigilance" is the issue of how you get on a 'watchlist'.  If the cameras 
> are 'harvesting' images and saving them, that would go beyond what the 
> vast majority of British people would want, or tolerate.  But that's not 
> what's happening here.
> 
> The cameras do recognise what appear to be faces, capture images of them 
> (most likely in RAM rather than persistant storage) and scan them 
> against a pre-existing watchlist, which will have images of people 
> already wanted (e.g. people wanted for recall to prison for breaching 
> license conditions).
> 
> If a match is suggested, the image captured is then stored, and sent 
> with the watchlist image it potentially matches, to a nearby police 
> officer.  If he/she is satisfied there's a likely match, he/she will 
> speak to the individual concerned to establish identity, using existing 
> legal powers to "stop and account".  The system plays no further part in 
> this.
> 
> If a match is not found, or is rejected by the officer, it is discarded 
> and deleted if it has been temporarily stored - it is of no use to the 
> police at this point.  I'm not sure if images which generate verified 
> matches are stored - but once an officer has verified identity they 
> aren't likely to be of any significance (I'll ask one day!).  Compare 
> that with routine CCTV, where your image may be stored for days, weeks 
> or years.
> 
> The system works well, and usually generates a number of arrests of 
> people who are will necessarily be already wanted - or their image would 
> not be in the watchlist.

Does it work well, though? As far as I an aware, no scientific studies have
been done on the actual system using real-world scenarios. The underlying
technology does work under controlled conditions, but we do know it is very
susceptible to bias - both positive and negative - that exists in training
data. 

This also ignores the growing "blind spot" that any automated system makes
and AI exacerbates. These systems are designed to find those the police are
aware about and unintentionally, but exaggerate, hiding those they aren't. 

Given we know that the Met is "institutionally racist" you can guarantee
that the system will be very accurate at matching black and asian persons
of interest whilst also making many false positives. This is because that
population are much more likely to end up in databases. White POIs will be
able to fly under the radar. 

> The systems are made very conspicuous, with signs on nearby streets 
> warning of their (temporary) presence - personally I think that's 
> unnecessary.

All it does is encourage youths in hoodies and balaclavas. Reducing
effectiveness of policing in the long term. 

> The system is functionally equivalent to a police officer happening to 
> recognise someone from a mugshot seen inside the police station - no 
> more,no less.

Which we know that is very, very bad. Bundling that into AI continues the
badness. 

> Now I'm sure Joe Conspiracy will be on here mumbling something about how 
> the vaccinations turn us all into transgender as soon as the 5g is 
> switched on, 

Now let's not conflate genuine and well-reasoned concern with crackpot
conspiracy theories. They are far from equivalent. Dismissing both on the
same terms is disingenuous. 

> but those of less febrile disposition can learn more about 
> the system here:
> 
> https://www.met.police.uk/police-forces/metropolitan-police/areas/about-
> us/about-the-met/facial-recognition-technology/
> 
> For reference, I chair a local panel representing the views of residents 
> to the Metropolitan Police, and have done for the last 25 years.  It's 
> right to ask searching questions about things like this, but it's also 
> right to listen to the answers.

When the answers are dismissive and don't actually address the questions
isa good reason why they aren't going away. 

Being a chair representing the public for *25 years* sounds like you're
institutionalised and you're less a member of the public then a member of
the police. Your comment regarding signage being unnecessary points to
this. 

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#32847 — Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas [OT]

In article <112d6hh$ullg$1@dont-email.me>, ithinkiam@gmail.com says...


>Being a chair representing the public for *25 years* sounds like you're
>institutionalised and you're less a member of the public then a member of
>the police. Your comment regarding signage being unnecessary points to
>this. 
>

My role is two-fold.  Firstly (and foremost) I have to facilitate 
questions and challenges from the local community to the police.  
Secondly, given the widespread lack of understanding of how the police 
operates (something you've demonstrated above) it's also useful if I 
communicate what I've learned back into the community.

The relationship between the police (most police, most places) and 
ethnic and other minorities is an unsolved problem.  In London, Stop and 
Search (and yes, I've been stopped and searched) focuses particularly on 
knife crime, and it's young black men who are overwhelmingly the most 
likely victims of knife crime.  Generations of black people have grown 
up with a not-unreasonable distrust of the police, and reforms in the 
police have happened a lot faster than changes in that distrust.  An 
Inspector told me that he has real trouble getting younger recruits to 
carry out the stops that they need to be doing because they don't want 
to be thought racist.  Meanwhile young black men continue to be affected 
disproportinately by knife crime.  Some believe that these people arm 
themselves because they don't trust the police to protect them - which 
becomes a vicious circle.

I can't say whether there is any bias in the processes which lead to 
someone's likeness being entered into a watchlist, but the Guardian 
reported this:

"and it was ?statistically significantly more likely to correctly 
identify black participants than participants from other ethnic groups?.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ng-interactive/2026/may/03/how-
does-live-facial-recognition-work-and-how-many-uk-police-forces-use-it

If you'e so interested in what the police is doing, and you live in 
London (presumably there are similar options in other UK regions) then 
find out about your local ward panel (via the Met website).  Go and ask 
all the searching questions you like.  You might learn something - and 
you might also find your local team open to ideas.

For non-UK folk, the UK has a singular model of "policing by consent".  
In the UK, the police are not agencies of government but an independent 
service expected to uphold the law.  In London the Met is supervised by 
the (London) Mayor's Office for Policing and Crime, led by a Deputy 
Mayor with that portfolio title.  The Commissioner is also accoountable 
to the Home Secretary, but both are answerable to the courts.  Police 
officers are civilians in that they are non-military, overwhelmingly 
unarmed, and the titles of ranks (other than Sergeant) were consciously 
chosen to be non-military.

While there are inevitably "ripples" in crime, the overwhelming trend 
over decades has been for crime of all kinds (except fraud) to decline 
over time.  If you doubt this, as any major AI research tool a relevant 
question.

Can we get back to Windows 11 now?

-- 
--
Phil, London

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#32852

Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> wrote:

>My role is two-fold.
>

Yes.

No. 1 Do as you're told.

No. 2 Keep licking boots.

You have no brain and can't think for yourself.

This is not about watching people, it's conditioning and staying in control.

By Christmas...

London = Beijing!

FACT!!!

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#32979 — Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas [OT]

  I use to have to fly frequently in my job.  After 911, I had a random 
search of my baggage.  There was an alarm clock in my bag that had a 
glow in the dark phosphorus dial.  The bomb sniffer alerted on it.  
Pphosphorus is sometimes used in explosives.  I explained to the head 
dumb ass security guy that it had to be the clock dial that was setting 
off the alarm.  He kept saying no, no, no, but finally a black girl 
that was scanning said that it had to be the clock dial.  He finally 
agreed that it must be the dial.  Nevertheless, I was put on a watch 
list and had to go through 4 security checks before I could get on a 
plane from that time onward.  So only one suspicious event with the 
Btitish camera system and you too will probably be a criminal suspect 
the rest of your life.
  I suggest you start wearing identity masking sun glasses.

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#32982 — Re: All Of London Facial Recognition By Christmas [OT]

On 7/13/2026 11:57 PM, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
>
> There was an alarm clock in my bag that had a
> glow in the dark phosphorus dial.  The bomb 
> sniffer alerted on it. Pphosphorus is sometimes 
> used in explosives.  I explained to the head
> dumb ass security guy that it had to be the 
> clock dial ...
> I suggest you start wearing identity masking 
> sun glasses.

You don't wear "masking sun-glasses" to get
pass airport security! :)


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#32844

On Fri, 03 Jul 2026 19:20:21 +0000, User 7of9 wrote:

> Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server, misc.phone.mobile.iphone,
>  alt.comp.os.windows-11

They're running it on their iPhone?

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#32857

Is there an Usenet newsgroup for image recognition?

Both hardware and software? Or split into 2 to avoid
cross-posting, which attracts trolling and quarrels?

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On 7/4/2026 3:20 AM, User 7of9 wrote:
> People in London will all be in one big jail!
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/j_haVCMrX4U
> 


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    / v \  May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
   /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
     ^ ^   https://github.com/changmw/changmw
           The game is afoot... Meow...

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