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  Do I need Controlled Folder Access micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-12-02 12:56 -0500
    Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-02 18:15 +0000
      Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-12-02 13:25 -0500
        Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-02 20:51 +0000
          Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-12-02 21:05 -0500
            Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-12-03 01:28 -0500
              Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-03 02:43 -0500
                Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-12-07 00:20 -0500
                  Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 01:27 -0500
                    Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-12-07 08:52 -0500
                    Desktop Monitors (was: Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-07 14:18 +0000
                      Re: Desktop Monitors Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 13:52 -0500
                        Re: Desktop Monitors Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-08 00:52 +0000
                          Re: Desktop Monitors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:26 +0000
              Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-12-03 11:00 -0700
                Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-12-07 00:46 -0500
                  Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-12-07 00:51 -0500
                    Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 02:27 -0500
                      Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-12-07 03:45 -0500
                        Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-12-13 01:07 -0700
                    Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 04:20 -0500
                      Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-12-07 08:34 -0500
                      Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2025-12-07 13:14 -0900
    Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-12-02 13:23 -0500
      Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-02 15:01 -0500
        Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-12-02 21:08 -0500
    Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-12-02 18:00 -0700
      Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-12-02 21:03 -0500
      Re: Do I need Controlled Folder Access micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-12-02 23:09 -0500

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#28014

On Sun, 12/7/2025 12:51 AM, micky wrote:

> 
> I missed the fine print.  It says I have to have a personal microft
> account with a microsoft-365 personal or family subsciption.   But in
> win11, I'm using Windows Defender without microsoft-365!!!!

I made a CoPilot question out of this, as follows.
You should not have to reinstall Windows Defender.
The Security panel should indicate that the thing is running again.

*******

CoPilot Question:

I am trying to understand some Windows Security items in Windows 11.

This appears to be Windows Defender.

%ProgramFiles%\Windows Defender
   MsMpEng.exe
   MpCmdRun.exe

Is the following item the "Windows Security" panel ?

Get-AppxPackage *Microsoft.SecHealthUI*

When a person installs AVG Free, some registry location is
set, indicating to Windows Defender that it is not needed
for real time scanning of files.

When AVG Free is removed, does MSMpEng start scanning
again all on its own ?

Does "Windows Defender" need to be reset, to make MsMpEng.exe work again ?

What are the user responsibilities, for this sort of transition?
(Windows Defender to AVG Free and back to Windows Defender only again.)

******************************

CoPilot Answer:

**Quick Answer:**

Yes, `Get-AppxPackage *Microsoft.SecHealthUI*` refers to the **Windows Security app**
(the panel you see in Settings). When you install a third‑party antivirus like AVG Free,
Windows Defender (Microsoft Defender Antivirus) disables its real‑time protection automatically.
Once AVG is uninstalled, **MsMpEng.exe (Antimalware Service Executable)** resumes
scanning on its own -  no manual reset is required. Your responsibility is mainly to
ensure that either AVG or Defender is active, updated, and not left disabled during
the transition.

### Breaking Down the Components

- **MsMpEng.exe**
  - This is the **Antimalware Service Executable**, the core scanning engine of
     Microsoft Defender Antivirus. It runs background scans and provides real‑time protection.

- **MpCmdRun.exe**
  - A command‑line utility for Microsoft Defender. It lets administrators run scans,
    update signatures, and configure Defender manually.

- **Microsoft.SecHealthUI**
  - This package is the **Windows Security app** (formerly called Windows Defender
    Security Center). It provides the graphical dashboard where you manage antivirus,
    firewall, and other protection settings.

### Behavior with Third‑Party Antivirus (AVG Free)

- **Automatic Disable:**
  When AVG Free is installed, Windows Defender detects it via registry/Windows
  Security Center integration and **turns off its real‑time scanning** to avoid conflicts.

- **Automatic Re‑Enable:**
  Once AVG Free is uninstalled, Windows Defender **reactivates automatically**.
  MsMpEng.exe resumes scanning without requiring a reset or manual intervention.

- **No Reset Needed:**
  You don’t need to “reset” Defender. The service is designed to monitor the
  system state and re‑enable itself when no other antivirus is present.

### User Responsibilities During Transition

1. **Verify Protection Status:**
   - After uninstalling AVG, open the **Windows Security app** to confirm that
     Microsoft Defender Antivirus is active.

   - Check that real‑time protection is turned on.

2. **Update Signatures:**
   - Ensure Defender updates its virus definitions (done automatically via Windows Update).

3. **Avoid Gaps in Coverage:**
   - Don’t leave the system without any antivirus.
     Make sure Defender is active immediately after removing AVG.

4. **Optional Manual Scan:**
   - Run a full scan with Defender after uninstalling AVG to ensure no threats
     slipped through during the transition.

### Summary

- **Yes**, `Microsoft.SecHealthUI` is the Windows Security panel.
- **Yes**, MsMpEng.exe resumes scanning automatically after AVG is removed.
- **No reset is required**—Defender is self‑managing.
- **Your role** is simply to confirm Defender is active, updated, and performing scans after the switch.

https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/techtips/how-to-stop-antimalware-service-executable-from-high-cpu-disk-usage/
https://wphtaccess.com/2025/08/13/stop-or-remove-antimalware-service-executable-on-windows-11/

   Paul

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#28018

Thanks, Paul. 

In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 7 Dec 2025 04:20:21 -0500, Paul
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 12/7/2025 12:51 AM, micky wrote:
>
>> 
>> I missed the fine print.  It says I have to have a personal microft
>> account with a microsoft-365 personal or family subsciption.   But in
>> win11, I'm using Windows Defender without microsoft-365!!!!
>
>I made a CoPilot question out of this, as follows.
>You should not have to reinstall Windows Defender.
>The Security panel should indicate that the thing is running again.
>
>*******
>
>CoPilot Question:
>
>I am trying to understand some Windows Security items in Windows 11.
>
>This appears to be Windows Defender.
>
>%ProgramFiles%\Windows Defender
>   MsMpEng.exe
>   MpCmdRun.exe
>
>Is the following item the "Windows Security" panel ?
>
>Get-AppxPackage *Microsoft.SecHealthUI*
>
>When a person installs AVG Free, some registry location is
>set, indicating to Windows Defender that it is not needed
>for real time scanning of files.
>
>When AVG Free is removed, does MSMpEng start scanning
>again all on its own ?
>
>Does "Windows Defender" need to be reset, to make MsMpEng.exe work again ?
>
>What are the user responsibilities, for this sort of transition?
>(Windows Defender to AVG Free and back to Windows Defender only again.)
>
>******************************
>
>CoPilot Answer:
>
>**Quick Answer:**
>
>Yes, `Get-AppxPackage *Microsoft.SecHealthUI*` refers to the **Windows Security app**
>(the panel you see in Settings). When you install a third?party antivirus like AVG Free,
>Windows Defender (Microsoft Defender Antivirus) disables its real?time protection automatically.
>Once AVG is uninstalled, **MsMpEng.exe (Antimalware Service Executable)** resumes
>scanning on its own -  no manual reset is required. Your responsibility is mainly to
>ensure that either AVG or Defender is active, updated, and not left disabled during
>the transition.
>
>### Breaking Down the Components
>
>- **MsMpEng.exe**
>  - This is the **Antimalware Service Executable**, the core scanning engine of
>     Microsoft Defender Antivirus. It runs background scans and provides real?time protection.
>
>- **MpCmdRun.exe**
>  - A command?line utility for Microsoft Defender. It lets administrators run scans,
>    update signatures, and configure Defender manually.
>
>- **Microsoft.SecHealthUI**
>  - This package is the **Windows Security app** (formerly called Windows Defender
>    Security Center). It provides the graphical dashboard where you manage antivirus,
>    firewall, and other protection settings.
>
>### Behavior with Third?Party Antivirus (AVG Free)
>
>- **Automatic Disable:**
>  When AVG Free is installed, Windows Defender detects it via registry/Windows
>  Security Center integration and **turns off its real?time scanning** to avoid conflicts.
>
>- **Automatic Re?Enable:**
>  Once AVG Free is uninstalled, Windows Defender **reactivates automatically**.
>  MsMpEng.exe resumes scanning without requiring a reset or manual intervention.
>
>- **No Reset Needed:**
>  You don’t need to “reset” Defender. The service is designed to monitor the
>  system state and re?enable itself when no other antivirus is present.
>
>### User Responsibilities During Transition
>
>1. **Verify Protection Status:**
>   - After uninstalling AVG, open the **Windows Security app** to confirm that
>     Microsoft Defender Antivirus is active.
>
>   - Check that real?time protection is turned on.
>
>2. **Update Signatures:**
>   - Ensure Defender updates its virus definitions (done automatically via Windows Update).
>
>3. **Avoid Gaps in Coverage:**
>   - Don’t leave the system without any antivirus.
>     Make sure Defender is active immediately after removing AVG.
>
>4. **Optional Manual Scan:**
>   - Run a full scan with Defender after uninstalling AVG to ensure no threats
>     slipped through during the transition.
>
>### Summary
>
>- **Yes**, `Microsoft.SecHealthUI` is the Windows Security panel.
>- **Yes**, MsMpEng.exe resumes scanning automatically after AVG is removed.
>- **No reset is required**—Defender is self?managing.
>- **Your role** is simply to confirm Defender is active, updated, and performing scans after the switch.
>
>https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/techtips/how-to-stop-antimalware-service-executable-from-high-cpu-disk-usage/
>https://wphtaccess.com/2025/08/13/stop-or-remove-antimalware-service-executable-on-windows-11/
>
>   Paul

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#28032

Paul wrote:
> On Sun, 12/7/2025 12:51 AM, micky wrote:
>
>>
>> I missed the fine print.  It says I have to have a personal microft
>> account with a microsoft-365 personal or family subsciption.   But in
>> win11, I'm using Windows Defender without microsoft-365!!!!
>
> I made a CoPilot question out of this, as follows.
> You should not have to reinstall Windows Defender.
> The Security panel should indicate that the thing is running again.
>
> *******
>
> CoPilot Question:
>
> I am trying to understand some Windows Security items in Windows 11.
>
> This appears to be Windows Defender.
>
> %ProgramFiles%\Windows Defender
>   MsMpEng.exe
>   MpCmdRun.exe
>
> Is the following item the "Windows Security" panel ?
>
> Get-AppxPackage *Microsoft.SecHealthUI*
>
> When a person installs AVG Free, some registry location is
> set, indicating to Windows Defender that it is not needed
> for real time scanning of files.
>
> When AVG Free is removed, does MSMpEng start scanning
> again all on its own ?
>
> Does "Windows Defender" need to be reset, to make MsMpEng.exe work
> again ?
>
> What are the user responsibilities, for this sort of transition?
> (Windows Defender to AVG Free and back to Windows Defender only
> again.)
>
> ******************************
>
> CoPilot Answer:
>
> **Quick Answer:**
>
> Yes, `Get-AppxPackage *Microsoft.SecHealthUI*` refers to the
> **Windows Security app** (the panel you see in Settings). When you
> install a third-party antivirus like AVG Free,
> Windows Defender (Microsoft Defender Antivirus) disables its
> real-time protection automatically.
> Once AVG is uninstalled, **MsMpEng.exe (Antimalware Service
> Executable)** resumes
> scanning on its own -  no manual reset is required. Your
> responsibility is mainly to
> ensure that either AVG or Defender is active, updated, and not left
> disabled during
> the transition.
>
> ### Breaking Down the Components
>
> - **MsMpEng.exe**
>  - This is the **Antimalware Service Executable**, the core scanning
>     engine of Microsoft Defender Antivirus. It runs background scans
> and provides real-time protection.
>
> - **MpCmdRun.exe**
>  - A command-line utility for Microsoft Defender. It lets
>    administrators run scans, update signatures, and configure
> Defender manually.
>
> - **Microsoft.SecHealthUI**
>  - This package is the **Windows Security app** (formerly called
>    Windows Defender Security Center). It provides the graphical
>    dashboard where you manage antivirus, firewall, and other
> protection settings.
>
> ### Behavior with Third-Party Antivirus (AVG Free)
>
> - **Automatic Disable:**
>  When AVG Free is installed, Windows Defender detects it via
>  registry/Windows Security Center integration and **turns off its
> real-time scanning** to avoid conflicts.
>
> - **Automatic Re-Enable:**
>  Once AVG Free is uninstalled, Windows Defender **reactivates
>  automatically**. MsMpEng.exe resumes scanning without requiring a
> reset or manual intervention.
>
> - **No Reset Needed:**
>  You don't need to "reset" Defender. The service is designed to
>  monitor the system state and re-enable itself when no other
> antivirus is present.
>
> ### User Responsibilities During Transition
>
> 1. **Verify Protection Status:**
>   - After uninstalling AVG, open the **Windows Security app** to
>     confirm that Microsoft Defender Antivirus is active.
>
>   - Check that real-time protection is turned on.
>
> 2. **Update Signatures:**
>   - Ensure Defender updates its virus definitions (done automatically
> via Windows Update).
>
> 3. **Avoid Gaps in Coverage:**
>   - Don't leave the system without any antivirus.
>     Make sure Defender is active immediately after removing AVG.
>
> 4. **Optional Manual Scan:**
>   - Run a full scan with Defender after uninstalling AVG to ensure no
>     threats slipped through during the transition.
>
> ### Summary
>
> - **Yes**, `Microsoft.SecHealthUI` is the Windows Security panel.
> - **Yes**, MsMpEng.exe resumes scanning automatically after AVG is
> removed.
> - **No reset is required**-Defender is self-managing.
> - **Your role** is simply to confirm Defender is active, updated, and
> performing scans after the switch.
>
> https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/techtips/how-to-stop-antimalware-service-executable-from-high-cpu-disk-usage/
> https://wphtaccess.com/2025/08/13/stop-or-remove-antimalware-service-executable-on-windows-11/
>
>   Paul

START "" /WAIT "C:\Program Files\Windows 
Defender\MpCmdRun.exe" -SignatureUpdate -MMPC
START "" /WAIT "C:\Program Files\Windows Defender\MpCmdRun.exe" -Scan -1
Echo off
cls

if %errorlevel%==0 goto :NoThreats
if %errorlevel%==2 goto :ThreatsFound
:NoThreats
Echo No Threats.
goto :gotoend

:ThreatsFound
Echo Threats Found.
goto :gotoend

:gotoend
Pause

I do not know if this batch does any good but I have it as an icon on my 
desktop and it is the first thing I run when I start my computer.  It is 
quicker than opening Windows Security.  I am lazy.
-- 
<Bill>

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska 

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#27852

And why is it blocking explorer.exe from accessing Pictures or
Documents.  Explorer is a microsoft program.  How else is one upposed to
see the pictures in the file manager? 

Does this have something to do with my using Explorer Patcher?  If so,
since I'm the one using EP and not some ransomware guy, shouldn't I
freely give it all the authority of Explorer? 

OR, google says I can 
  
    Select Windows Security > Virus & threat protection > Ransomware
protection.
    Select Manage Controlled Folder Access.

-- I get this far. 

    Either disable controlled folder access by switching it off or click
Allow an app through Controlled Folder Access which allows you to add
explorer.exe

But I'm not offered Allow an App, only disable.  Is that because I have
not installed 25H2?   Do you have the ability to allow an individual
program?


In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 02 Dec 2025 12:56:45 -0500, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>I'm making major progress on a problem I've posted about before, and I
>just need you guys to tell me what to do next, and it will work, I'm
>sure. 
>
>I've been gettting occasional messages in the lower right corner that
>Windows Security has blocked access to various folders.  I finally have
>looked in detail at the list.  Recently it was  %userprofile%\Documents,
>even though I was not aware I had tried to look at anything there. Also
>%userprofile%\Pictures\AnyDesk even though I used Anydesk 3 months ago
>with no problem, though I don't know if I looked at any pictures. 
>
>More relevant is that is also blocked access to
>%userprofile%\Pictures\reolink and in the process it blocked
>reolink.exe.   This is the program I've asked about before. 
>
>unlike %userprofile%\Pictures\ and \documents, in this case it doesn't
>offer the option of granting access.  Is there a way to do that anyhow?
>It does offer turning off Controlled Folder Access completely.  Can I
>safely do that?  Is that some new feature we never had before.  Is there
>some new threat that makes it important to keep running. 
>
>
>BTW, I've asked on the reolink community forum and gotten 3 answers but
>this seems more a windows question than a reolink one and it's likely
>beyond them. 

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#27856

On Tue, 12/2/2025 1:23 PM, micky wrote:

> 
> Does this have something to do with my using Explorer Patcher? 

Why is it every time I talk to you, I ask about Explorer Patcher ?

You have enough computers at your house, you should keep
a "reference OS", unaltered, for testing Reolink.

That would at least tell you that the program works (for some
version of the program).

   Paul

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#27875

In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 2 Dec 2025 15:01:32 -0500, Paul
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>On Tue, 12/2/2025 1:23 PM, micky wrote:
>
>> 
>> Does this have something to do with my using Explorer Patcher? 
>
>Why is it every time I talk to you, I ask about Explorer Patcher ?

Because it has a sketchy reputation.  In fact I ccouldn't install 24H2
or now 25H2 wihtout uninstalling it first.  So every time something goes
wrong, I suspect it.  But in this case, the problem shares the word
"exploer" with the program. 
>
>You have enough computers at your house, you should keep
>a "reference OS", unaltered, for testing Reolink.

It works on the win10 computer. Both of them if I tried to install on
both. 

>That would at least tell you that the program works (for some
>version of the program).

It woroks fine on win10.  That's why I don't crosspost this to the win10
group.  <:-)

>   Paul

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#27866

micky wrote on 12/2/2025 10:56 AM:
> I'm making major progress on a problem I've posted about before, and I
> just need you guys to tell me what to do next, and it will work, I'm
> sure.
> It does offer turning off Controlled Folder Access completely.  Can I
> safely do that? 

Yes.

  Is that some new feature we never had before?

No. CFA has been included in Windows for over 8 years(October 2017, 
Windows 10 1709 Fall Creators Edition).

CFA has been disabled on all my devices shortly after its release in 2017.

CFA monitors:
User: Documents, Pictures, Videos, Music, Desktop, Favorites
Public: Documents, Pictures, Videos, Music, Desktop

Once CFA is disabled, if suspect file is still present in one of those 
folders, Windows Security may still require exemption for the suspect 
file.  Ensure the suspect file is safe prior to exemption.
   i.e. Note: CFA may not be entirely related to all of your problems



-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#27873

In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 2 Dec 2025 18:00:05 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ
<winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

>micky wrote on 12/2/2025 10:56 AM:
>> I'm making major progress on a problem I've posted about before, and I
>> just need you guys to tell me what to do next, and it will work, I'm
>> sure.
>> It does offer turning off Controlled Folder Access completely.  Can I
>> safely do that? 
>
>Yes.
>
>  Is that some new feature we never had before?
>
>No. CFA has been included in Windows for over 8 years(October 2017, 
>Windows 10 1709 Fall Creators Edition).

Then I've had it all that time, but never turned it on or off.  And
never had any warning messages.  when I go upstaris I'll see if it's on
or off, on both win10 boxes. 
>
>CFA has been disabled on all my devices shortly after its release in 2017.

If you don't want it, I don't want it. 

>CFA monitors:
>User: Documents, Pictures, Videos, Music, Desktop, Favorites
>Public: Documents, Pictures, Videos, Music, Desktop
>
>Once CFA is disabled, if suspect file is still present in one of those 
>folders, Windows Security may still require exemption for the suspect 
>file.  Ensure the suspect file is safe prior to exemption.

I will look at every entry in "protection history".   There are about
56, but I'm sure many oare reptitions.  And I think I'll just look in
the 11 folders you list. 

>   i.e. Note: CFA may not be entirely related to all of your problems

Okay.  Turning it off didn't help and maybe even rebooting won't, but
I'm getting closer.

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#27877

In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 2 Dec 2025 18:00:05 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ
<winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

>micky wrote on 12/2/2025 10:56 AM:
>> I'm making major progress on a problem I've posted about before, and I
>> just need you guys to tell me what to do next, and it will work, I'm
>> sure.
>> It does offer turning off Controlled Folder Access completely.  Can I
>> safely do that? 
>
>Yes.
>
>  Is that some new feature we never had before?
>
>No. CFA has been included in Windows for over 8 years(October 2017, 
>Windows 10 1709 Fall Creators Edition).
>
>CFA has been disabled on all my devices shortly after its release in 2017.
>
>CFA monitors:
>User: Documents, Pictures, Videos, Music, Desktop, Favorites
>Public: Documents, Pictures, Videos, Music, Desktop

I lost track but I have either no files or 1 file in all of these 11
folders. 

I'm still going to check out all the warnings I got.   They are all
isted as Low danger. 

>Once CFA is disabled, if suspect file is still present in one of those 
>folders, Windows Security may still require exemption for the suspect 
>file.  Ensure the suspect file is safe prior to exemption.
>   i.e. Note: CFA may not be entirely related to all of your problems

But I'm making progress.   Strange though.  I'm 99% sure I didn't get
CFA alert most or all of of the times I tried to run Reolink, and it was
a different file and .exe that brought my attention to CFA.  Yet
%userprofile%\Pictures\reolink is listed in one of the last 4 warnings.
I haven't checked the other 50 yet, but i'm sure it's there several
times. 

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