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  is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-11-26 18:23 -0800
    Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-26 21:48 -0500
    Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? User Support <User.Support@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 03:50 +0000
    Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-11-26 22:25 -0600
      Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 12:41 +0100
        Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-27 07:15 -0500
          Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-27 15:37 +0000
            Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:11 +0100
              Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-27 15:05 -0500
                Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-28 03:15 +0100
                Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-28 15:19 +0000
                  Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-28 17:38 -0500
              Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-28 16:02 +0000
                Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 02:46 +0100
        Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-11-27 11:37 -0600
      Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-27 17:32 +0100
        Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-27 18:47 +0000
          Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-11-27 17:54 -0800
      Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2025-11-28 06:00 +0000
        Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-11-28 10:57 -0600
    Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-11-27 12:14 +0000
      Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-11-28 15:03 +0000
        Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-28 16:01 +0000
          Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-11-28 16:08 +0000
            Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-12-01 12:52 +0000
              Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-12-01 12:57 +0000
                Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? MikeS <mikes@is.invalid> - 2025-12-01 15:56 +0000
                  Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-01 16:49 +0000
                    Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-12-01 17:27 +0000
    Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? MikeS <mikes@is.invalid> - 2025-11-27 13:11 +0000
      Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-11-29 08:34 -0800
        Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-11-29 14:05 -0600
    Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-27 15:29 +0000
      Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-11-29 08:34 -0800
        Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2025-11-29 11:45 -0500
        Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-11-29 14:21 -0600
          Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-11-30 19:05 -0800
            Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 23:13 -0500
              Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-12-01 14:57 -0700
            Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-12-01 00:02 -0600
              Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-12-05 09:15 -0800
        Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? MikeS <mikes@is.invalid> - 2025-11-30 11:33 +0000
          Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-11-30 19:05 -0800
            Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 23:38 -0500
              Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-01 15:40 +0000
                Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-01 14:39 -0500
                  Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-01 20:17 +0000
                  Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-01 21:32 +0000
                    Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-01 21:37 -0500
                      Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-03 00:51 +0000
                        Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-03 15:18 +0000
                    Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-12-05 09:15 -0800
                      Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-05 13:24 -0500
                      Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 21:21 +0100
                        Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-05 22:31 +0000
                          Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 13:59 +0100
                Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-12-05 09:15 -0800
                  Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-06 20:39 +0000
        Re: is there an adult verson of Windows 11?? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-11-30 12:14 -0700

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#27951

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> on Mon, 1 Dec 2025 00:02:05 -0600 typed in
alt.comp.os.windows-11  the following:
>pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>:
>>
>>> Assuming it wasn't  your choice in the first place, how did you get
>>> stuck with the S edition?  
>> 
>> "Such a deal"  and if I apply for the Amazon card, I get a $100 gift
>> card. $29,95 delivered.
>
>So, if you spend $30, and you get their credit card, Amazon gave you a
>$100 gift card (i.e., you got their company scrip).  Not a bad deal,
>especially since you can unlock S into the Home edition -- unless, as
>mentioned, they somehow locked it down (i.e., it was "managed").  I got
>Win11 Pro for $10 at BleepingComputer.com.
>
>>> Switching out of S mode is very easy --
>> 
>> 	if you know that it must be done and what do about it.
>
>I found out about it when reading forums where someone else asked about
>escaping S mode, and others answered just like here.  Plus, an online
>search works.  That's where I just looked to find the procedure.
>
>So, for curiosity, what was the "project" you used to unlock S?

	To be honest, I don't recall.  Something about setting up a MS
account and working from there. 

	"Next time" I'll byte the wax tadpole and just get the Pro
edition.


-- 
pyotr filipivich
This Week's Panel:  Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm) 
     Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)

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#27721

On 29/11/2025 16:34, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> 	New out of box, Win 11-S  ("Secure Student, nothing but MS
> Products allowed"). Jail breaking that was project one.
> 	If I had known the foibles of S mode then, I'd have gone for the
> Pro mode.

So the self-proclaimed "adult" was unable to understand what Win 11-S 
entailed let alone the trivial method to revert it to Win 11-Home.

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#27750

MikeS <mikes@is.invalid> on Sun, 30 Nov 2025 11:33:12 +0000 typed in
alt.comp.os.windows-11  the following:
>On 29/11/2025 16:34, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> 	New out of box, Win 11-S  ("Secure Student, nothing but MS
>> Products allowed"). Jail breaking that was project one.
>> 	If I had known the foibles of S mode then, I'd have gone for the
>> Pro mode.
>
>So the self-proclaimed "adult" was unable to understand what Win 11-S 
>entailed let alone the trivial method to revert it to Win 11-Home.

	Quite the condescension there, eh no?

-- 
pyotr filipivich
This Week's Panel:  Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm) 
     Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)

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#27753

On Sun, 11/30/2025 10:05 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> MikeS <mikes@is.invalid> on Sun, 30 Nov 2025 11:33:12 +0000 typed in
> alt.comp.os.windows-11  the following:
>> On 29/11/2025 16:34, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>> 	New out of box, Win 11-S  ("Secure Student, nothing but MS
>>> Products allowed"). Jail breaking that was project one.
>>> 	If I had known the foibles of S mode then, I'd have gone for the
>>> Pro mode.
>>
>> So the self-proclaimed "adult" was unable to understand what Win 11-S 
>> entailed let alone the trivial method to revert it to Win 11-Home.
> 
> 	Quite the condescension there, eh no?

For someone used to how the older Windows OSes worked,
the level of bomb-squad material in the new machines,
is quite awesome. It makes you want to run Linux
or something, no ? :-)

I have a simpler solution for this, and that is to
tell people to look at a different kind of machine
than the loopy ones.

   Paul

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#27785

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 11/30/2025 10:05 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> > MikeS <mikes@is.invalid> on Sun, 30 Nov 2025 11:33:12 +0000 typed in
> > alt.comp.os.windows-11  the following:
> >> On 29/11/2025 16:34, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> >>>     New out of box, Win 11-S  ("Secure Student, nothing but MS
> >>> Products allowed"). Jail breaking that was project one.
> >>>     If I had known the foibles of S mode then, I'd have gone for the
> >>> Pro mode.
> >>
> >> So the self-proclaimed "adult" was unable to understand what Win 11-S 
> >> entailed let alone the trivial method to revert it to Win 11-Home.
> > 
> >       Quite the condescension there, eh no?
> 
> For someone used to how the older Windows OSes worked,
> the level of bomb-squad material in the new machines,
> is quite awesome. It makes you want to run Linux
> or something, no ? :-)

  pyotr didn't mention what his previous Windows version was, but I
'jumped' from Windows 8.1 to 11 and - while being a quite critical
person - it wasn't all that hard. So I - and apparently others - think
that pyotr's OP complaint was indeed quite whiny.

  As for his S-mode 'problem', AFAIK, there was already an S-mode
version for Windows 10, so nothing new.

> I have a simpler solution for this, and that is to
> tell people to look at a different kind of machine
> than the loopy ones.

  But there are so many of them! :-) (the loopy ones)

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#27796

On Mon, 12/1/2025 10:40 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sun, 11/30/2025 10:05 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>> MikeS <mikes@is.invalid> on Sun, 30 Nov 2025 11:33:12 +0000 typed in
>>> alt.comp.os.windows-11  the following:
>>>> On 29/11/2025 16:34, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>>>     New out of box, Win 11-S  ("Secure Student, nothing but MS
>>>>> Products allowed"). Jail breaking that was project one.
>>>>>     If I had known the foibles of S mode then, I'd have gone for the
>>>>> Pro mode.
>>>>
>>>> So the self-proclaimed "adult" was unable to understand what Win 11-S 
>>>> entailed let alone the trivial method to revert it to Win 11-Home.
>>>
>>>       Quite the condescension there, eh no?
>>
>> For someone used to how the older Windows OSes worked,
>> the level of bomb-squad material in the new machines,
>> is quite awesome. It makes you want to run Linux
>> or something, no ? :-)
> 
>   pyotr didn't mention what his previous Windows version was, but I
> 'jumped' from Windows 8.1 to 11 and - while being a quite critical
> person - it wasn't all that hard. So I - and apparently others - think
> that pyotr's OP complaint was indeed quite whiny.
> 
>   As for his S-mode 'problem', AFAIK, there was already an S-mode
> version for Windows 10, so nothing new.
> 
>> I have a simpler solution for this, and that is to
>> tell people to look at a different kind of machine
>> than the loopy ones.
> 
>   But there are so many of them! :-) (the loopy ones)

I actually started searching, to calibrate what the market is
like, and with my search materials, the results were not pleasant
in the least. I was shown a lot of MediaTek/Qualcomm crap, and
once focused on x86 (well that didn't work as a search term
either), I had to resort to N150 as a search term. As that's
the processor-du-jour for low end stuff. Right now, that
will get you some "mini-PC" items.

The result is, it's actually hard to find anything at all
to buy (using the search tools at hand). This is what happens
when the dominant market forces, lose control of the market.

This is hardly a good time to have four hundred million
people throw away their PCs. It's an expensive jungle out there.

   Paul

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#27800

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 12/1/2025 10:40 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
[...]
> >> I have a simpler solution for this, and that is to
> >> tell people to look at a different kind of machine
> >> than the loopy ones.
> > 
> >   But there are so many of them! :-) (the loopy ones)
> 
> I actually started searching, to calibrate what the market is
> like, and with my search materials, the results were not pleasant
> in the least. I was shown a lot of MediaTek/Qualcomm crap, and
> once focused on x86 (well that didn't work as a search term
> either), I had to resort to N150 as a search term. As that's
> the processor-du-jour for low end stuff. Right now, that
> will get you some "mini-PC" items.
> 
> The result is, it's actually hard to find anything at all
> to buy (using the search tools at hand). This is what happens
> when the dominant market forces, lose control of the market.
> 
> This is hardly a good time to have four hundred million
> people throw away their PCs. It's an expensive jungle out there.

  As I mentioned before, $279 (well a bit more in NL), got me a
perfectly fine 'desktop': AMD Ryzen 5 Pro 5650u 4.2GHz, 6 cores, 16GB
RAM, 512GB SSD, lots of ports (5 USB, 2 HDMI and 2 Gigabit LAN). I
wouldn't call that "expensive", quite the contrary.

<https://www.bee-link.com/products/beelink-eqr5?variant=46822258213106>

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#27804

On 2025-12-01, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> I actually started searching, to calibrate what the market is
> like, and with my search materials, the results were not pleasant
> in the least. I was shown a lot of MediaTek/Qualcomm crap, and
> once focused on x86 (well that didn't work as a search term
> either), I had to resort to N150 as a search term. As that's
> the processor-du-jour for low end stuff. Right now, that
> will get you some "mini-PC" items.
>
> The result is, it's actually hard to find anything at all
> to buy (using the search tools at hand). This is what happens
> when the dominant market forces, lose control of the market.
>
> This is hardly a good time to have four hundred million
> people throw away their PCs. It's an expensive jungle out there.

The silver lining is that 10-year old high-end PCs becoming unusable for
windows will make for very good low-end and midrange Linux boxes.
-- 
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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#27810

On Mon, 12/1/2025 4:32 PM, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 2025-12-01, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>> I actually started searching, to calibrate what the market is
>> like, and with my search materials, the results were not pleasant
>> in the least. I was shown a lot of MediaTek/Qualcomm crap, and
>> once focused on x86 (well that didn't work as a search term
>> either), I had to resort to N150 as a search term. As that's
>> the processor-du-jour for low end stuff. Right now, that
>> will get you some "mini-PC" items.
>>
>> The result is, it's actually hard to find anything at all
>> to buy (using the search tools at hand). This is what happens
>> when the dominant market forces, lose control of the market.
>>
>> This is hardly a good time to have four hundred million
>> people throw away their PCs. It's an expensive jungle out there.
> 
> The silver lining is that 10-year old high-end PCs becoming unusable for
> windows will make for very good low-end and midrange Linux boxes.
> 

I was specifically searching for a tablet, not a laptop.
The tablets were ARM ones, that's what showed up in a search.

Any time there are four hundred million of anything, there
is handling and labor involved. It takes people to install Linux
for users. It takes people to haul PCs off street curbs and
do something with them. There are fewer PC recyclers than there
used to be (a major one here, the building was torn down and
a condo built). The items are just as likely to go to our
chipping plant (that grinds up PCs), as to be responsibly
recycled.

One concern, is that the PCs will be left on the side of
country roads. Down near the family cottage, you could
almost furnish a house with the stuff laying on the side
of the road. You can find a number of spots with
a "fridge and sofa", and soon "fridge and sofa and PC".

The town dump won't accept electronics. They have to go
through a recycler. And if the recycler feels a PC with
no TPM "has no value", then all the motherboards will
be off to the chipper plant. They could pull all
the RAM out of them, but only the high capacity sticks
would have value.

   Paul

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#27865

On 2025-12-02, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> One concern, is that the PCs will be left on the side of
> country roads. Down near the family cottage, you could
> almost furnish a house with the stuff laying on the side
> of the road. You can find a number of spots with
> a "fridge and sofa", and soon "fridge and sofa and PC".
>
> The town dump won't accept electronics. They have to go
> through a recycler. And if the recycler feels a PC with
> no TPM "has no value", then all the motherboards will
> be off to the chipper plant. They could pull all
> the RAM out of them, but only the high capacity sticks
> would have value.

Here in California, the recycling lots have an E-waste section,
where you can turn in "anything with a powercord", and state
regulations ensure proper disposals. I think there is a special
quasi-sales-tax on electronics to fund the disposal of E-waste.

Our city trash collection service also allows free pick-up of
up to 5 "large items" at a time, up to (I think) 4 times per year.
But then we live in a (small) city in the most regulated state
in the US.

-- 
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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#27894

Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> On 2025-12-02, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> > One concern, is that the PCs will be left on the side of
> > country roads. Down near the family cottage, you could
> > almost furnish a house with the stuff laying on the side
> > of the road. You can find a number of spots with
> > a "fridge and sofa", and soon "fridge and sofa and PC".
> >
> > The town dump won't accept electronics. They have to go
> > through a recycler. And if the recycler feels a PC with
> > no TPM "has no value", then all the motherboards will
> > be off to the chipper plant. They could pull all
> > the RAM out of them, but only the high capacity sticks
> > would have value.
> 
> Here in California, the recycling lots have an E-waste section,
> where you can turn in "anything with a powercord", and state
> regulations ensure proper disposals. I think there is a special
> quasi-sales-tax on electronics to fund the disposal of E-waste.
> 
> Our city trash collection service also allows free pick-up of
> up to 5 "large items" at a time, up to (I think) 4 times per year.
> But then we live in a (small) city in the most regulated state
> in the US.

  Here in The Netherlands, we have a similar scheme. Besides the bigger
recycling lots, there are often smaller locations (ours is at a
children's (animal) farm) in our city). We also have a 'tax' (disposal
fee) included (not listed seperately anymore) in the sales price.

  So when we buy a new fridge, microwave, etc., they have to take back
the old one.

  For computers, phones, tablets, etc. that's not practical, because you
probably want to still use the old one to transfer your stuff to the new
one. So I either bring that to a second-hand shop (if still somewhat
usable) or the E-waste disposal (or keep it).
was at  16%  - : 28NOV2025 at 19:35: Charged 90m to ~96%. Only 5 days.
> 
> -- 
> Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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#27953

Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> on Mon, 1 Dec 2025 21:32:37 -0000
(UTC) typed in alt.comp.os.windows-11  the following:
>On 2025-12-01, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>> I actually started searching, to calibrate what the market is
>> like, and with my search materials, the results were not pleasant
>> in the least. I was shown a lot of MediaTek/Qualcomm crap, and
>> once focused on x86 (well that didn't work as a search term
>> either), I had to resort to N150 as a search term. As that's
>> the processor-du-jour for low end stuff. Right now, that
>> will get you some "mini-PC" items.
>>
>> The result is, it's actually hard to find anything at all
>> to buy (using the search tools at hand). This is what happens
>> when the dominant market forces, lose control of the market.
>>
>> This is hardly a good time to have four hundred million
>> people throw away their PCs. It's an expensive jungle out there.
>
>The silver lining is that 10-year old high-end PCs becoming unusable for
>windows will make for very good low-end and midrange Linux boxes.

	I would have migrated to Linux, but WordPerfect doesn't have a
port. That's as far as I got in my research.

	
-- 
pyotr filipivich
This Week's Panel:  Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm) 
     Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)

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#27958

On Fri, 12/5/2025 12:15 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> on Mon, 1 Dec 2025 21:32:37 -0000
> (UTC) typed in alt.comp.os.windows-11  the following:
>> On 2025-12-01, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>> I actually started searching, to calibrate what the market is
>>> like, and with my search materials, the results were not pleasant
>>> in the least. I was shown a lot of MediaTek/Qualcomm crap, and
>>> once focused on x86 (well that didn't work as a search term
>>> either), I had to resort to N150 as a search term. As that's
>>> the processor-du-jour for low end stuff. Right now, that
>>> will get you some "mini-PC" items.
>>>
>>> The result is, it's actually hard to find anything at all
>>> to buy (using the search tools at hand). This is what happens
>>> when the dominant market forces, lose control of the market.
>>>
>>> This is hardly a good time to have four hundred million
>>> people throw away their PCs. It's an expensive jungle out there.
>>
>> The silver lining is that 10-year old high-end PCs becoming unusable for
>> windows will make for very good low-end and midrange Linux boxes.
> 
> 	I would have migrated to Linux, but WordPerfect doesn't have a
> port. That's as far as I got in my research.
> 

They keep records. WINE runs some things, but if a $LICENSE is associated
with the activity, the emulation may not be sufficiently detailed to
fool a license manager of a program. And don't let the ratings in this
page offend you, as we can't tell when this was tested.

   https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=530

The WINE in something like Ubuntu, would not be properly configured.
You would have to turn on Multilib, in order for both WINE64
and WINE32 to be available. WordPerfect might have to run under
WINE32. Setting that pig of a WINE up, I do a *backup* of my Linux
before starting that, as I may have to roll back when I mess it up.

This is why sometimes a thing like a "gamer distro" may be a better
choice of a full fat WINE setup. Rather than starting with a
pan of unbaked bread, and trying to bake it yourself (as I usually
try to do, but don't succeed). But at least I can save you some
grief, by the Multilib breadcrumb. It took me quite a while to figure
out "how to turn on the other half". The 64-bit applications and
the 32-bit applications, would have a different command line invocation.

   wine32 wordperfect mynotes.txt

Ubuntu is 64-bit (no 32-bit version). You can still (with a lot of
searching), find a 32 bit distro like a Debian, and the WINE in that would be
set for "wine32" and not at all for "wine64". That would make it
"half a solution" then. That's still not a good idea. Would a gamer
distro be "pure64" or would it be "multilib" ? I would think the
latter, so older games could be supported.

I think you can tell from the length of this post (so far), as
to how much fun this is :-) There was a time, before x64 came
along, where I've managed to get this running on the first try.
Now with the winetricks, it's a lot more complicated. Like
just understanding whether I "want Mono" or "native .NET" will
cause hair loss. I confuse easily. Instructions ? What instructions ???
[Turns lights off, works in dark...]  Yes, with enough Googlean
searches, anything is possible.

   Paul

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#27961

On 2025-12-05 18:15, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> on Mon, 1 Dec 2025 21:32:37 -0000
> (UTC) typed in alt.comp.os.windows-11  the following:
>> On 2025-12-01, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>> I actually started searching, to calibrate what the market is
>>> like, and with my search materials, the results were not pleasant
>>> in the least. I was shown a lot of MediaTek/Qualcomm crap, and
>>> once focused on x86 (well that didn't work as a search term
>>> either), I had to resort to N150 as a search term. As that's
>>> the processor-du-jour for low end stuff. Right now, that
>>> will get you some "mini-PC" items.
>>>
>>> The result is, it's actually hard to find anything at all
>>> to buy (using the search tools at hand). This is what happens
>>> when the dominant market forces, lose control of the market.
>>>
>>> This is hardly a good time to have four hundred million
>>> people throw away their PCs. It's an expensive jungle out there.
>>
>> The silver lining is that 10-year old high-end PCs becoming unusable for
>> windows will make for very good low-end and midrange Linux boxes.
> 
> 	I would have migrated to Linux, but WordPerfect doesn't have a
> port. That's as far as I got in my research.

There was one, long ago.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#27963

On Fri, 5 Dec 2025 21:21:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2025-12-05 18:15, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> on Mon, 1 Dec 2025 21:32:37 -0000
>> (UTC) typed in alt.comp.os.windows-11  the following:
>>> On 2025-12-01, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>>> I actually started searching, to calibrate what the market is like,
>>>> and with my search materials, the results were not pleasant in the
>>>> least. I was shown a lot of MediaTek/Qualcomm crap, and once focused
>>>> on x86 (well that didn't work as a search term either), I had to
>>>> resort to N150 as a search term. As that's the processor-du-jour for
>>>> low end stuff. Right now, that will get you some "mini-PC" items.
>>>>
>>>> The result is, it's actually hard to find anything at all to buy
>>>> (using the search tools at hand). This is what happens when the
>>>> dominant market forces, lose control of the market.
>>>>
>>>> This is hardly a good time to have four hundred million people throw
>>>> away their PCs. It's an expensive jungle out there.
>>>
>>> The silver lining is that 10-year old high-end PCs becoming unusable
>>> for windows will make for very good low-end and midrange Linux boxes.
>> 
>> 	I would have migrated to Linux, but WordPerfect doesn't have a
>> port. That's as far as I got in my research.
> 
> There was one, long ago.

https://github.com/taviso/wpunix/releases
https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/20/wordperfect_for_unix_for_linux/

No idea how well it works but if you're still living in the '90s a little 
klunkiness can be expected.

I thought Jerry Pournelle was a WordPerfect fan but he used Electric 
Pencil before switching to Word.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Pencil

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#27986

On 2025-12-05 23:31, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Dec 2025 21:21:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-12-05 18:15, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>> Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> on Mon, 1 Dec 2025 21:32:37 -0000
>>> (UTC) typed in alt.comp.os.windows-11  the following:
>>>> On 2025-12-01, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> I actually started searching, to calibrate what the market is like,
>>>>> and with my search materials, the results were not pleasant in the
>>>>> least. I was shown a lot of MediaTek/Qualcomm crap, and once focused
>>>>> on x86 (well that didn't work as a search term either), I had to
>>>>> resort to N150 as a search term. As that's the processor-du-jour for
>>>>> low end stuff. Right now, that will get you some "mini-PC" items.
>>>>>
>>>>> The result is, it's actually hard to find anything at all to buy
>>>>> (using the search tools at hand). This is what happens when the
>>>>> dominant market forces, lose control of the market.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is hardly a good time to have four hundred million people throw
>>>>> away their PCs. It's an expensive jungle out there.
>>>>
>>>> The silver lining is that 10-year old high-end PCs becoming unusable
>>>> for windows will make for very good low-end and midrange Linux boxes.
>>>
>>> 	I would have migrated to Linux, but WordPerfect doesn't have a
>>> port. That's as far as I got in my research.
>>
>> There was one, long ago.
> 
> https://github.com/taviso/wpunix/releases
> https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/20/wordperfect_for_unix_for_linux/

Interesting.

> 
> No idea how well it works but if you're still living in the '90s a little
> klunkiness can be expected.
> 
> I thought Jerry Pournelle was a WordPerfect fan but he used Electric
> Pencil before switching to Word.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Pencil


I heard of some writer using a DOS computer because it doesn't have 
network, so his work can not be stolen. I would think a modern system 
with the network card removed would be equally useful and more confortable.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#27952

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> on 1 Dec 2025 15:40:01 GMT
typed in alt.comp.os.windows-11  the following:
>Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sun, 11/30/2025 10:05 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> > MikeS <mikes@is.invalid> on Sun, 30 Nov 2025 11:33:12 +0000 typed in
>> > alt.comp.os.windows-11  the following:
>> >> On 29/11/2025 16:34, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> >>>     New out of box, Win 11-S  ("Secure Student, nothing but MS
>> >>> Products allowed"). Jail breaking that was project one.
>> >>>     If I had known the foibles of S mode then, I'd have gone for the
>> >>> Pro mode.
>> >>
>> >> So the self-proclaimed "adult" was unable to understand what Win 11-S 
>> >> entailed let alone the trivial method to revert it to Win 11-Home.
>> > 
>> >       Quite the condescension there, eh no?
>> 
>> For someone used to how the older Windows OSes worked,
>> the level of bomb-squad material in the new machines,
>> is quite awesome. It makes you want to run Linux
>> or something, no ? :-)
>
>  pyotr didn't mention what his previous Windows version was, but I
>'jumped' from Windows 8.1 to 11 and - while being a quite critical
>person - it wasn't all that hard. So I - and apparently others - think
>that pyotr's OP complaint was indeed quite whiny.

	I jumped from Windows 7.  I have long since realized that the
problems in Win7 were never going to be fixed.
	I moved to Win7 from XP because I needed 64bit for class. Probably
could have upgraded XP, but it was already approaching "Time to make
Logan's Run".
>
>  As for his S-mode 'problem', AFAIK, there was already an S-mode
>version for Windows 10, so nothing new.

	An item of which I was unaware.
>
>> I have a simpler solution for this, and that is to
>> tell people to look at a different kind of machine
>> than the loopy ones.
>
>  But there are so many of them! :-) (the loopy ones)

	Standards are wonderful.  That's why we have so many of them.
-- 
pyotr filipivich
This Week's Panel:  Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm) 
     Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm)

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#27999

pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> on 1 Dec 2025 15:40:01 GMT
> typed in alt.comp.os.windows-11  the following:
> >Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
[...]
> >> For someone used to how the older Windows OSes worked,
> >> the level of bomb-squad material in the new machines,
> >> is quite awesome. It makes you want to run Linux
> >> or something, no ? :-)
> >
> >  pyotr didn't mention what his previous Windows version was, but I
> >'jumped' from Windows 8.1 to 11 and - while being a quite critical
> >person - it wasn't all that hard. So I - and apparently others - think
> >that pyotr's OP complaint was indeed quite whiny.
> 
>         I jumped from Windows 7.  I have long since realized that the
> problems in Win7 were never going to be fixed.

  You might want to elaborate on those "problems in Win7", because
probably most Windows 7 users are not aware that there were/are any!

  Anyway, if you jumped from Windows 7 to Windows 11, i.e. skipping
Windows 8[.1] and Windows 10, it is to be expected to need some time to
adjust, so that once more indicates that your OP was, as many have said,
quite off the mark (whiny).

[...]

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#27735

On 11/29/2025 9:34 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> on 27 Nov 2025 15:29:23 GMT
> typed in alt.comp.os.windows-11  the following:
>> [Only adding to earlier responses:]
>>
>> pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a laptop with Win11 home.  (It was cheap)
>>
>>   Was it new when you got it? If so, you didn't pay enough/much
>> attention when 'installing' it.
> 
> 	New out of box, Win 11-S  ("Secure Student, nothing but MS
> Products allowed"). Jail breaking that was project one.
> 	If I had known the foibles of S mode then, I'd have gone for the
> Pro mode.


Win 11 for students(edu edition) is not Win 11S
Win 11 for students(edu edition) in S mode is Win 11 SE (Student 
Edition, S Mode)
Win 11 SE is only available and preinstalled on OEM built/sold 
devices(for the edu market)

Win 11 S is only available in Windows Home edition



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