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| Started by | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
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| First post | 2025-05-24 05:26 -0700 |
| Last post | 2025-05-24 16:31 -0400 |
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Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-24 05:26 -0700
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-24 10:14 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-24 07:20 -0700
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-24 13:40 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-24 16:26 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-24 19:42 -0700
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-25 04:49 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-25 03:19 -0700
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-29 00:27 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-25 12:34 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-25 13:56 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-25 15:37 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2025-05-26 10:05 -0800
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-26 16:03 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2025-05-26 13:03 -0800
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-26 18:27 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2025-05-27 09:14 -0800
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-27 18:36 +0100
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-27 20:39 +0100
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-27 16:51 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-28 11:31 +0100
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-28 12:25 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-28 18:59 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2025-05-27 09:18 -0800
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-27 14:46 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? MikeS <mikes@is.invalid> - 2025-05-26 22:07 +0100
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-26 18:44 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-27 01:16 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-05-27 06:54 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-27 09:43 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-28 21:48 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-28 22:26 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-29 00:32 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-29 00:59 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-27 01:00 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-27 03:32 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2025-05-27 09:43 -0800
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2025-05-27 10:13 -0800
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-27 14:57 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2025-05-28 08:43 -0800
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-28 19:01 -0400
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-05-24 19:19 +0200
Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-24 16:31 -0400
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-28 19:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10184kf$3fsd8$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #19853 |
On Wed, 5/28/2025 12:43 PM, Bill Bradshaw wrote: > Paul wrote: >> On Tue, 5/27/2025 2:13 PM, Bill Bradshaw wrote: >>> Paul wrote: >>>> On Tue, 5/27/2025 1:00 AM, ...winston wrote: >>>>> Paul wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> When you do a clean install today, the reagentc is typically >>>>>> disabled. Maybe the file is on C: . Maybe the file isn't on C: at >>>>>> all. I don't track the issue. I only repair them here, as my own >>>>>> special kind of hobby. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> During a clean install winre.wim first resides on the installation >>>>> media(Sources\install.wim or install.esd) [1] >>>>> During setup, it is moved to C:\Windows\System32\Recovery, when >>>>> WinRe partition is created and recovery enabled it is moved to the >>>>> WinRE partition(normally Recovery\WindowsRE folder). >>>>> >>>>> cf. >>>>> <https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/windows-recovery-environment--windows-re--technical-reference?view=windows-11> >>>>> >>>>> [1] >>>>> - Install.esd is normally on MCT created media(USB or ISO) and also >>>>> on some OEM media. >>>>> - Install.wim is normally on the ISO(from Win11 ISO download >>>>> page[don't need Linux - Win7 or Win10 os can download Win11 ISO - >>>>> multi-edition x64 editions] or Virtual Studio or similar Enterprise >>>>> or Partner plans providing access to the MSFT servers hosting the >>>>> different ISO editions). >>>>> >>>> >>>> Sure. Those are the materials used by the user, to manually reset >>>> it. >>>> >>>> ******* >>>> >>>> There are some sample commands for checking the version number here. >>>> >>>> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/kb5055671-safe-os-dynamic-update-for-windows-11-version-24h2-and-server-2025-april-8-2025-80c632a5-adf9-4eef-991c-997ec2fa56c4#id0ebbh=dism_command >>>> >>>> reagentc /info >>>> >>>> Windows RE location: >>>> \\?\GLOBALROOT\device\harddisk0\partition4\Recovery\WindowsRE >>>> >>>> Dism /Get-ImageInfo >>>> /ImageFile:\\?\GLOBALROOT\device\harddisk0\partition4\Recovery\WindowsRE\winre.wim >>>> /index:1 >>>> >>>> Version : 10.0.22621 >>>> ServicePack Build : 1 >>>> >>>> ( My current patch level on the Daily Driver is 23H2 22631.5335 ) >>>> >>>> ******* >>>> # This script appears to pull an EXE out of the winre.wim and >>>> check # the version stamp of the file "winpeshl.exe". >>>> >>>> GetWinReVersion.ps1 PowerShell script >>>> >>>> ... >>>> $filePath = "$mountedPath\Windows\System32\winpeshl.exe" >>>> $WinREVersion = (Get-Item >>>> $filePath).VersionInfo.FileVersionRaw.Revision >>>> >>>> # Using TestDisk and not even using the Powershell script gives >>>> >>>> File version 10.0.22621.1 # The property of the >>>> winpeshl.exe file of the WinRE.wim >>>> >>>> # and matches the determination of the other method. >>>> >>>> The one on the W11 installation (Partition 4), has never been >>>> patched. The one on the W10 installation (Partition 6), is >>>> 10.0.19041.5728 , which >>>> means if I were to boot that W10, the Registry should be set. >>>> >>>> When I boot to the W10 and check, yes, the Registry is set. And it >>>> is set >>>> to the same value as the determination in the article. This means >>>> patching >>>> on the W10 partition is working, and Partition 6 is 1GB in size. >>>> >>>> Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows >>>> NT\CurrentVersion WinREVersion 10.0.19041.5728 >>>> >>>> It looks for my Windows 11, that I might profit from bumping up the >>>> Recovery Partition size. The W11 is not blocked by this setting, and >>>> this setting is OK for the preparation of a WinRE.wim . >>>> >>>>> fsutil behavior query disablecompression # Disables >>>>> compression on all partitions at once. >>>> DisableCompression = 0 (Compression is ENABLED) # If you >>>> change the setting, it requires a reboot to "take". >>>> >>>> Off to fix it... :-) >>>> >>>> Paul >>> >>> From Bill: >>> >>> Dism /Get-ImageInfo >>> /ImageFile:\\?\GLOBALROOT\device\harddisk0\partition3\Recovery\WindowsRE\winre.wim >>> /index:1 >>> Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool >>> >>> Version: 10.0.19041.3636 >>> >>> Details for image : >>> \\?\GLOBALROOT\device\harddisk0\partition3\Recovery\WindowsRE\winre.wim >>> >>> Index : 1 >>> Name : Microsoft Windows Recovery Environment (x64) >>> Description : Microsoft Windows Recovery Environment (x64) >>> Size : 2,207,028,650 bytes >>> WIM Bootable : No >>> Architecture : x64 >>> Hal : <undefined> >>> Version : 10.0.19041 \_____ >>> ServicePack Build : 1 / >>> ServicePack Level : 0 >>> Edition : WindowsPE >>> Installation : WindowsPE >>> ProductType : WinNT >>> ProductSuite : >>> System Root : WINDOWS >>> Directories : 3624 >>> Files : 16440 >>> Created : 12/6/2019 - 11:11:48 PM >>> Modified : 11/9/2024 - 11:14:23 AM >>> >>> The WIN file came from a very recent backup with Macrium. I am >>> pretty sure I created the recovery partition and not Windows which >>> is 523 Mb with 441 Mb used. So maybe I need to figure out how to >>> increase the recovery partition size. >>> >>> <Bill> >> >> Seeing as it has never been updated, yes, there is a good chance a >> bigger >> partition would help. >> >> The Windows procedure for this, is highly unsavory. It requires >> deleting >> the partition and creating a new one and setting the attributes and >> so on >> correctly. >> >> How I do these is: >> >> 1) Resize C: while still in Windows and using "diskmgmt.msc" for its >> graphical goodness. When the Shrink dialog appears, you can type in >> the precise amount of space needed. 1024-533=491 . This will leave >> a 491MB gap at the end of C: after you resize. >> >> 2) Boot Linux, such as Linux Mint 221 and use gparted >> >> a) sudo gparted # We're running from the USB stick or >> the DVD disc # No password needed in >> that case >> >> b) Select the Recovery Partition. I usually push it to the left >> as the first operation. Then click the Apply box to Apply it, >> For the second operation, I grab the right bar of the Move/Resize >> dialog and pull it to make the partition full size (1024). Click >> Apply. >> >> Linux sets the Dirty Bit, on completion. The Partition will be >> scanned by Windows. >> >> 3) Boot back to Windows. When it says it is about to scan something, >> let it continue. When in windows, open "control.exe" and the >> Date/Time control panel and update the time so it reads correctly. >> >> Result: Doing a "reagentc.exe /info" should reveal nothing broke and >> it is still enabled. Diskmgmt.msc should now show a larger >> partition in place of the previous smaller one. No reloading >> of the partition need be done, as the 441MB file will still be there. >> >> For a Linux boot media, you can use the mirror item at the top. >> This is so you won't have to traverse the LM site itself and find the >> file. >> I prefer simple FTP-like displays of the things to be downloaded. The >> Cinnamon >> one at the top is fine. Open a terminal from the bottom left of the >> Linux >> screen, and "sudo gparted" in that Terminal, to get started. >> >> https://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/linuxmint/stable/22.1/ >> >> Paul > > I have gparted on a usb boot drive and will that work without using Mint, > etc. > > <Bill> I don't think I have the ISO for that, but as long as it's an up to date version, it should work OK. GParted got re-written at some point, but that might have been ten years ago. Paul
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-24 19:19 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <m9eddoF4j0dU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #19675 |
On Sat, 24 May 2025 05:26:36 -0700, T wrote: > Or do I have cut it to a USB drive and > boot of it? Rufus will allow you to bypass the CPU, RAM, TPM requirements. You don't have to boot with the USB. Simply download the ISO, use Rufus to disable the requirements and copy the ISO to the USB drive, then open the USB drive and open setup.exe. You will get the option for a clean install or an upgrade and keep all your data. As always, making a backup first is a good idea. -- s|b
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-24 16:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <100taa9$tkgm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #19688 |
On Sat, 5/24/2025 1:19 PM, s|b wrote: > On Sat, 24 May 2025 05:26:36 -0700, T wrote: > >> Or do I have cut it to a USB drive and >> boot of it? > > Rufus will allow you to bypass the CPU, RAM, TPM requirements. You don't > have to boot with the USB. Simply download the ISO, use Rufus to disable > the requirements and copy the ISO to the USB drive, then open the USB > drive and open setup.exe. You will get the option for a clean install or > an upgrade and keep all your data. > > As always, making a backup first is a good idea. > You can plug in a Rufus-prepped stick, and run an Upgrade Install from it (you don't have to boot from it), and the bypass tick boxes you clicked, still apply during the installation. That allows an Upgrade Install on non-compliant computers. Rufus cannot block or hide a missing SSE4.2 Population Count instruction. On a machine with an E8400, I tried to use Rufus to install W11, and it blocked immediately because the POPCNT was missing. That's one thing that Rufus does not mess with, as the presumption is, the OS will crash-on-boot if it actually had a chance to try. Paul
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