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Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates

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  Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-16 08:55 -0400
    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-17 03:06 +0000
      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-17 08:48 -0400
        Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-17 14:04 +0000
        Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> - 2025-04-18 09:36 +0100
          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-18 18:07 +0000
            Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-19 21:56 +1000
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-19 09:15 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-21 01:46 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 02:22 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-23 02:29 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-23 03:58 +0000
                        Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-23 04:11 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-23 07:36 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-23 18:16 -0500
                      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-24 00:14 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-21 19:40 +1000
                  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-04-21 10:41 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-04-21 16:09 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 12:22 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 19:38 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-22 14:47 -0500
                      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-23 04:02 +0000
                        Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-23 08:38 -0400
                  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 19:32 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-22 19:58 +1000
          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-21 05:43 +0000
            Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 19:25 +0000
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 12:33 -0700
    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 05:02 -0400

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#18440 — Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2025-04-16 08:55 -0400
SubjectMicrosoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates
Message-ID<PMNLP.313528$j2D.45166@fx09.iad>
At what point do we finally give up?

<https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-warns-of-blue-screen-crashes-caused-by-april-updates/>

Microsoft warned customers this week that their systems might crash with 
a blue screen error caused by a secure kernel fatal error after 
installing Windows updates released since March.

According to advisory updates for the KB5055523 April cumulative update 
and the KB5053656 March preview update, this known issue affects devices 
running Windows 11, version 24H2. Those affected will see their PCs 
crash after installing these updates and restarting their devices.

"After installing this update and restarting your device, you might 
encounter a blue screen exception with error code 0x18B indicating a 
SECURE_KERNEL_ERROR," Microsoft said.

Until a fix is rolled out through Windows Update, Microsoft resolved 
this issue via Known Issue Rollback (KIR), a feature that reverses buggy 
non-security updates delivered via Windows Update.

This fix will propagate automatically to all home, non-managed 
enterprise devices, and business devices not managed by IT departments 
over the next 24 hours. To expedite the rollout, Microsoft advises 
affected users to restart their devices, which ensures the fix is 
applied faster.

After installation, you can find the Group Policy under Computer 
Configuration > Administrative Templates. To deploy it on affected 
endpoints, you must go to the Local Computer Policy or the Domain policy 
on the domain controller using the Group Policy Editor to choose the 
Windows version you want to target.

"You will need to install and configure the Group Policy for your 
version of Windows to resolve this issue. You will also need to restart 
your device(s) to apply the group policy setting," Microsoft added.

Windows admins can find additional guidance on deploying KIR Group 
Policies on the Microsoft support website.

Earlier this week, Microsoft released emergency Windows updates to 
address an issue affecting local audit logon policies in Active 
Directory Group Policy and warned admins that Windows Server 2025 domain 
controllers might become inaccessible after restarts, causing services 
and apps to fail.

Today, Redmond also started deploying a fix for an issue causing some 
Windows devices to be offered Windows 11 upgrades despite Intune 
policies blocking them.


-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#18451

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-04-17 03:06 +0000
Message-ID<vtpr7k$3o0aj$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#18440
On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 08:55:12 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> At what point do we finally give up?

When the people start to see through those vendors’ multi-million-dollar 
marketing campaigns telling everybody how wonderful they are.

In other words, never.

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#18457

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2025-04-17 08:48 -0400
Message-ID<gM6MP.1648942$SZca.1283685@fx13.iad>
In reply to#18451
On 2025-04-16 23:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 08:55:12 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> At what point do we finally give up?
> 
> When the people start to see through those vendors’ multi-million-dollar
> marketing campaigns telling everybody how wonderful they are.
> 
> In other words, never.

I would blame the ignorance of the common user much more than any 
marketing campaign. You'd be surprised at how oblivious most people are 
to the operating system they're using. Heck, this complete disregard of 
the operating system is part of what made it easy for me to "sell" the 
idea of using Linux to people who owned HP laptops which had tremendous 
problems with Windows or to teachers who simply want to be able to use 
their computers rather than constantly be locked out of them. As long as 
the operating system manages to get the job done, they don't care if 
it's Linux or Windows. My dad is one such person. He actually much 
preferred Mint to Windows when I installed it on a cheap laptop I got 
him, but he's fine with Windows on the Intel NUC he eventually replaced 
that machine with. Until it bugs out, there is no reason to switch over.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
LibreOffice supporter
John 14:6

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#18458

FromBorax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com>
Date2025-04-17 14:04 +0000
Message-ID<slrn10022jr.38ck.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh>
In reply to#18457
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
On 2025-04-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-04-16 23:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 08:55:12 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> 
>>> At what point do we finally give up?
>> 
>> When the people start to see through those vendors’ multi-million-dollar
>> marketing campaigns telling everybody how wonderful they are.
>> 
>> In other words, never.
>
> I would blame the ignorance of the common user much more than any 
> marketing campaign. You'd be surprised at how oblivious most people are 
> to the operating system they're using. Heck, this complete disregard of 
> the operating system is part of what made it easy for me to "sell" the 
> idea of using Linux to people who owned HP laptops which had tremendous 
> problems with Windows or to teachers who simply want to be able to use 
> their computers rather than constantly be locked out of them. As long as 
> the operating system manages to get the job done, they don't care if 
> it's Linux or Windows. My dad is one such person. He actually much 
> preferred Mint to Windows when I installed it on a cheap laptop I got 
> him, but he's fine with Windows on the Intel NUC he eventually replaced 
> that machine with. Until it bugs out, there is no reason to switch over.
>

Can confirm, at least in some cases.  My wife needed a new laptop, but
she wanted Apple.  They're expensive, far more so when all you do is use
a web-browser.  So I said I'll take care of the laptop, I'll find one
that is second hand, and will be supported for a long long time.  (One
of the bugbears she had about Apple was how the OS and software become
obsolete and could not be upgraded).  I put Linux, and there was a tiny
bit of teething because it was different, but she's been using it for
years successfully.  She's has no idea about Linux, doesn't know she's
running Fedora.  Shes used my desktop machine, so had a little
familiarity with it.  But surprisingly, theres be no issues, and few
questions, aside from "how do I copy files from the USB stick" and some
desktop config.

I think that people who know next to nothing, will find a switch to
Linux easier, because they have so few ingraned workflows and
expectations, and use the system at such a shallow level, that you could
switch and they'll barely notice, as long as the desktop is roughly
similar.  It is more the intermediate users, who would be disrupted the
most.

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#18478

Fromwasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com>
Date2025-04-18 09:36 +0100
Message-ID<vtt2u8$2l1qa$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#18457
On 17/04/2025 13:48, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2025-04-16 23:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 08:55:12 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> At what point do we finally give up?
>>
>> When the people start to see through those vendors’ multi-million-dollar
>> marketing campaigns telling everybody how wonderful they are.
>>
>> In other words, never.
> 
> I would blame the ignorance of the common user much more than any 
> marketing campaign. You'd be surprised at how oblivious most people are 
> to the operating system they're using. Heck, this complete disregard of 
> the operating system is part of what made it easy for me to "sell" the 
> idea of using Linux to people who owned HP laptops which had tremendous 
> problems with Windows or to teachers who simply want to be able to use 
> their computers rather than constantly be locked out of them. As long as 
> the operating system manages to get the job done, they don't care if 
> it's Linux or Windows. My dad is one such person. He actually much 
> preferred Mint to Windows when I installed it on a cheap laptop I got 
> him, but he's fine with Windows on the Intel NUC he eventually replaced 
> that machine with. Until it bugs out, there is no reason to switch over.
> 

+1

Much like car ownership. As long as it works there is no need to know 
how. If/when it goes wrong take it to someone who does know to fix.


-- 
Regards
wasbit

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#18490

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-04-18 18:07 +0000
Message-ID<m6fin2Fp0l2U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#18478
On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 09:36:23 +0100, wasbit wrote:

> Much like car ownership. As long as it works there is no need to know
> how. If/when it goes wrong take it to someone who does know to fix.

That 'someone' has been me. Since I was a little kid taking stuff apart 
I've wanted to know how stuff works. 

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#18498

FromDaniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org>
Date2025-04-19 21:56 +1000
Message-ID<vu030u$1cl66$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#18490
On 19/04/2025 4:07 am, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 09:36:23 +0100, wasbit wrote:
> 
>> Much like car ownership. As long as it works there is no need to know
>> how. If/when it goes wrong take it to someone who does know to fix.
> 
> That 'someone' has been me. Since I was a little kid taking stuff apart
> I've wanted to know how stuff works.
> 
I can recall (mid-60's, 10 years old or so) pulling apart Mum's Steam 
Iron which had stopped working. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get it 
functioning.

About six years later, I joined The Army, and did an Electronics 
Apprenticeship!!
-- 
Daniel70

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#18504

FromChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Date2025-04-19 09:15 -0400
Message-ID<vu07l7$1g2f9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#18498
Daniel70 wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On 19/04/2025 4:07 am, rbowman wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 09:36:23 +0100, wasbit wrote:
>> 
>>> Much like car ownership. As long as it works there is no need to know
>>> how. If/when it goes wrong take it to someone who does know to fix.
>> 
>> That 'someone' has been me. Since I was a little kid taking stuff apart
>> I've wanted to know how stuff works.
>> 
> I can recall (mid-60's, 10 years old or so) pulling apart Mum's Steam 
> Iron which had stopped working. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get it 
> functioning.
>
> About six years later, I joined The Army, and did an Electronics 
> Apprenticeship!!

When I was a teen I got some Social Security money from my father's SS.
Not sure why. It was about $230.

In spite of my parents' dismay, I blew it all on a PAIA synthesizer kit
and the tools needed to assemble it. Clipping leads, soldering, learning
resistor color coding, testing without an oscilloscope... I had years of
fun with that thing.

-- 
Heisenberg might have been here.

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#18543

Frompothead <pothead@snakebite.com>
Date2025-04-21 01:46 +0000
Message-ID<vu4816$123gq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#18504
On 2025-04-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> Daniel70 wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> On 19/04/2025 4:07 am, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 09:36:23 +0100, wasbit wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Much like car ownership. As long as it works there is no need to know
>>>> how. If/when it goes wrong take it to someone who does know to fix.
>>> 
>>> That 'someone' has been me. Since I was a little kid taking stuff apart
>>> I've wanted to know how stuff works.
>>> 
>> I can recall (mid-60's, 10 years old or so) pulling apart Mum's Steam 
>> Iron which had stopped working. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get it 
>> functioning.
>>
>> About six years later, I joined The Army, and did an Electronics 
>> Apprenticeship!!
>
> When I was a teen I got some Social Security money from my father's SS.
> Not sure why. It was about $230.
>
> In spite of my parents' dismay, I blew it all on a PAIA synthesizer kit
> and the tools needed to assemble it. Clipping leads, soldering, learning
> resistor color coding, testing without an oscilloscope... I had years of
> fun with that thing.
>
Now that is cool.
Possibly I have misjudged you Chris.
I will back off.

FWIW my dad had both a Heathkit and EICO scope, the basic one and I spent
countless hours learning about Lissajous patterns using booklets from Radio Shack.
 It wasn't until I bought a used
Leader scope at a computer fair of all places that I really learned some useful
stuff.



-- 
pothead
Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
Treat it accordingly
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

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#18544

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-04-21 02:22 +0000
Message-ID<m6loerFq0dsU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#18543
On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 01:46:14 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

> FWIW my dad had both a Heathkit and EICO scope, the basic one and I
> spent countless hours learning about Lissajous patterns using booklets
> from Radio Shack.
>  It wasn't until I bought a used
> Leader scope at a computer fair of all places that I really learned some
> useful stuff.

Another walk down memory lane...  I had a EICO VOM that I built from a 
kit. I got a lot of use from it before a coworker managed to destroy it. 
The company replaced it with a Simpson 260 so it was a trade-up probably 
although I think EICO copied the Simpson. I did not lend that one out and 
also had the roll top case to protect it from clumsy wrench jockeys.

https://www.simpson260.com/accessories/case/simpson_00248.htm

Back in the day you could get on an airplane with something like that.

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#18613

Frompothead <pothead@snakebite.com>
Date2025-04-23 02:29 +0000
Message-ID<vu9jae$225u2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#18544
On 2025-04-21, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 01:46:14 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
>
>> FWIW my dad had both a Heathkit and EICO scope, the basic one and I
>> spent countless hours learning about Lissajous patterns using booklets
>> from Radio Shack.
>>  It wasn't until I bought a used
>> Leader scope at a computer fair of all places that I really learned some
>> useful stuff.
>
> Another walk down memory lane...  I had a EICO VOM that https://www.newark.com/simpson/12211/multimeter-analog-7-functions/dp/01B6875?CMP=KNC-GUSA-GEN-PMAX-Shopping-New&mckv=_dc|pcrid||plid||kword||match||slid||product|01B6875|pgrid||ptaid||&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_JzABhC2ARIsAPe3ynqF21qzFHdgwHKhNSUv0M-05_8AuGw_7dZsssIBsACo5ZvkcUQySfQaAjt2EALw_wcBI built from a 
> kit. I got a lot of use from it before a coworker managed to destroy it. 
> The company replaced it with a Simpson 260 so it was a trade-up probably 
> although I think EICO copied the Simpson. I did not lend that one out and 
> also had the roll top case to protect it from clumsy wrench jockeys.
>
> https://www.simpson260.com/accessories/case/simpson_00248.htm
>
> Back in the day you could get on an airplane with something like that.

You don't even want to know what a new Simpson meter cost these days.
I'm sure it can be had for less but here is one example..
<https://www.newark.com/simpson/12211/multimeter-analog-7-functions/dp/01B6875?CMP=KNC-GUSA-GEN-PMAX-Shopping-New&mckv=_dc|pcrid||plid||kword||match||slid||product|01B6875|pgrid||ptaid||&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_JzABhC2ARIsAPe3ynqF21qzFHdgwHKhNSUv0M-05_8AuGw_7dZsssIBsACo5ZvkcUQySfQaAjt2EALw_wcB>



-- 
pothead
Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
Treat it accordingly
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

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#18614

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-04-23 03:58 +0000
Message-ID<m6r6rqFllvfU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#18613
On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 02:29:34 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

> You don't even want to know what a new Simpson meter cost these days.

Amazon is showing a 260-EP for $750. The handy dandy inflation calculator 
says that is $94.98  1971 dollars, which iirc is about right. They never 
were cheap. Who says Flukes are expensive? 

My old RatShack is holding up so far and does what I need. 

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#18616

Frompothead <pothead@snakebite.com>
Date2025-04-23 04:11 +0000
Message-ID<vu9p9s$26leq$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#18614
On 2025-04-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 02:29:34 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
>
>> You don't even want to know what a new Simpson meter cost these days.
>
> Amazon is showing a 260-EP for $750. The handy dandy inflation calculator 
> says that is $94.98  1971 dollars, which iirc is about right. They never 
> were cheap. Who says Flukes are expensive? 
>
> My old RatShack is holding up so far and does what I need. 

Insane.
I have several Fluke meters.
The only analog meter I have is a TenMa millivolt meter I use
to calibrate analog tape decks,
-- 
pothead
Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
Treat it accordingly
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

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#18619

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-04-23 07:36 +0000
Message-ID<m6rjjuFnvk1U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#18616
On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 04:11:40 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

> The only analog meter I have is a TenMa millivolt meter I use to
> calibrate analog tape decks,

I'd have to go digging but I think the only things I have with an analog 
meter movement are a dwell/tach and a Seiko guitar tuner, not counting the 
speedometers and tachs in the vehicles. 

I haven' used either in years. I haven't needed to set points in a while 
and I use a clip on Snark tuner for the guitars and banjo.

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#18630

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2025-04-23 18:16 -0500
Message-ID<48qi0k1fal5dpqo8rv2fgi1i49l9tj8pap@4ax.com>
In reply to#18544
rbowman wrote:

> pothead wrote:
>>
>> FWIW my dad had both a Heathkit and EICO scope, the basic one and I
>> spent countless hours learning about Lissajous patterns using booklets
>> from Radio Shack.
>>  It wasn't until I bought a used
>> Leader scope at a computer fair of all places that I really learned some
>> useful stuff.
>
>Another walk down memory lane...  I had a EICO VOM that I built from a 
>kit. I got a lot of use from it before a coworker managed to destroy it. 
>The company replaced it with a Simpson 260 so it was a trade-up probably 
>although I think EICO copied the Simpson. I did not lend that one out and 
>also had the roll top case to protect it from clumsy wrench jockeys.
>
>https://www.simpson260.com/accessories/case/simpson_00248.htm
>
>Back in the day you could get on an airplane with something like that.

I had a Beckman Tech330 DMM which I loved, but I dropped it on a
concrete floor and cracked the shit out of it.  0.1% basic DC
accuracy, true RMS AC, and manually-ranging like God intended.

https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/bekman_ins_digital_multimeter_tech_330_true_rms.html

Now I mostly use a Fluke 77 that I liberated from work (we downsized
and had extras).

For a 'scope, I have an ancient Tek 7834 400 MHz mainframe, with two
dual-channel vertical amplifier plug-ins to go along with the main and
delayed time-base plug-ins.  It's from the 80's but still works good.
I confess that it's mostly decorative, these days.  I've thought about
selling it but it's so damn cool looking.  All the knobs and buttons
and switches that you could desire!  8)

Here's an Ebay listing of a 7834 that looks exactly like mine (except
mine has no broken switches).   https://www.ebay.com/itm/266442020259

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#18631

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-04-24 00:14 +0000
Message-ID<m6te3rF2cg7U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#18630
On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 18:16:06 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> For a 'scope, I have an ancient Tek 7834 400 MHz mainframe, with two
> dual-channel vertical amplifier plug-ins to go along with the main and
> delayed time-base plug-ins.  It's from the 80's but still works good. I
> confess that it's mostly decorative, these days.  I've thought about
> selling it but it's so damn cool looking.  All the knobs and buttons and
> switches that you could desire!  8)

I never had a 'scope. I did have a primitive RatShack probe on a serial 
connection.

https://www.linuxtoys.org/pscope/pscope.html

I should dig around. I'm a packrat so it must be around someplace.  
xProbeScope.c is a good example of something that will be obsolete when 
Wayland takes over. When you see functions that start with X and not Xt or 
Xm you know you're down in the XLib weeds and probably doing stuff that 
Wayland isn't going to let you do.

Might be an interesting project for PySide6.

It was an interesting idea, a bit ahead of its time. I've got an HiLrtgp 8 
channel USB logic analyzer that is basically the same idea that is pretty 
handy. It's a Salae clone for about a tenth of the cost. I have the 
PulseView app on Windows but sigrok.org seems to be a 404 currently. I'm 
not sure if the Saleae software will work.

Trivia: it uses a souped up 8051. Some things never die.

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#18549

FromDaniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org>
Date2025-04-21 19:40 +1000
Message-ID<vu53q1$1udn3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#18504
On 19/04/2025 11:15 pm, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Daniel70 wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>> On 19/04/2025 4:07 am, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 09:36:23 +0100, wasbit wrote:
>>>
>>>> Much like car ownership. As long as it works there is no need to know
>>>> how. If/when it goes wrong take it to someone who does know to fix.
>>>
>>> That 'someone' has been me. Since I was a little kid taking stuff apart
>>> I've wanted to know how stuff works.
>>>
>> I can recall (mid-60's, 10 years old or so) pulling apart Mum's Steam
>> Iron which had stopped working. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get it
>> functioning.
>>
>> About six years later, I joined The Army, and did an Electronics
>> Apprenticeship!!
> 
> When I was a teen I got some Social Security money from my father's SS.
> Not sure why. It was about $230.
> 
> In spite of my parents' dismay, I blew it all on a PAIA synthesizer kit
> and the tools needed to assemble it. Clipping leads, soldering, learning
> resistor color coding, testing without an oscilloscope... I had years of
> fun with that thing.
> 
"resistor color coding"!! Now there's a flash from the past .....

Black,		Black
Boys,		Brown
Rape,		Red
Our,		Orange
Young,		Yellow
Girls,		Green
Blessed,	Blue
Virginity,	Violet
Gone,		Grey
West.		White

The Mnemonic we used back then might not be P.C. today but it worked then!!
-- 
Daniel70

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#18550

FromFarley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux>
Date2025-04-21 10:41 +0000
Message-ID<18384f570211461f$107737$1602464$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>
In reply to#18549
On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 19:40:14 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:

>> 
> "resistor color coding"!! Now there's a flash from the past .....
> 
> Black,		Black
> Boys,		Brown
> Rape,		Red
> Our,		Orange
> Young,		Yellow
> Girls,		Green
> Blessed,	Blue
> Virginity,	Violet
> Gone,		Grey
> West.		White
> 
> The Mnemonic we used back then might not be P.C. today but it worked then!!
>

Then you'll need a mnemonic to remember the mnemonic ...

https://xkcd.com/992/

I use a hand-held carboard device that contains wheels that are
dialed to line up the colors and produce the correct value.

E-parts stores, which are no more, used to give those gadgets
away for free.

A good GNU/Linux scripting challenge would be to code a little Bash/Perl
script to cough up the correct value.


-- 
Hail Linux!  Hail FOSS!  Hail Stallman!

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#18567

FromMark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid>
Date2025-04-21 16:09 +0000
Message-ID<68066daf$0$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
In reply to#18549
On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 19:40:14 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:

[snip]

> "resistor color coding"!! Now there's a flash from the past .....
> 
> Black, Black
> Boys,	Brown 
> Rape,	Red 
> Our, Orange
> Young, Yellow
> Girls, Green
> Blessed, Blue
> Virginity, Violet
> Gone, Grey
> West, White
> 
> The Mnemonic we used back then might not be P.C. today but it worked
> then!!

The first six are the same I learned, although the last four were "But 
Violet Gives Willingly".

BTW, I once saw a clock that used six full-color LEDs (not 7-segment 
displays) to show the time using that color code. At the time I'm writing 
this, its brown-brown:black-violet:orange-white.

-- 
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"We do not want holy books, but true ones; not sacred writings, but
sensible writings." [Lemuel K. Washburn, _Is The Bible Worth Reading And
Other Essays_]

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#18572

From% <pursent100@gmail.com>
Date2025-04-21 12:22 -0700
Message-ID<w4-dnRKVnv97B5v1nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#18567
Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 19:40:14 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
>> "resistor color coding"!! Now there's a flash from the past .....
>>
>> Black, Black
>> Boys,	Brown
>> Rape,	Red
>> Our, Orange
>> Young, Yellow
>> Girls, Green
>> Blessed, Blue
>> Virginity, Violet
>> Gone, Grey
>> West, White
>>
>> The Mnemonic we used back then might not be P.C. today but it worked
>> then!!
> 
> The first six are the same I learned, although the last four were "But
> Violet Gives Willingly".
> 
> BTW, I once saw a clock that used six full-color LEDs (not 7-segment
> displays) to show the time using that color code. At the time I'm writing
> this, its brown-brown:black-violet:orange-white.
> 
mine is the same but the reverse of that

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