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  Reinstall screen saver program T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-01 17:46 -0800
    Re: Reinstall screen saver program VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-02-01 21:07 -0600
      Re: Reinstall screen saver program Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-01 23:44 -0500
        Re: Reinstall screen saver program VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-02-02 05:36 -0600
          Re: Reinstall screen saver program T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-02 04:33 -0800
            Re: Reinstall screen saver program VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-02-02 06:49 -0600
              Re: Reinstall screen saver program T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-02 05:53 -0800
                Re: Reinstall screen saver program VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-02-02 07:57 -0600
                  Re: Reinstall screen saver program T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-02 06:30 -0800
                    Re: Reinstall screen saver program VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-02-02 11:02 -0600
                      Re: Reinstall screen saver program ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-02 11:17 -0700
                        Re: Reinstall screen saver program VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-02-02 17:08 -0600
                          Re: Reinstall screen saver program ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-03 11:10 -0700
      Re: Reinstall screen saver program T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-01 21:59 -0800
        Re: Reinstall screen saver program VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-02-02 05:47 -0600
    Re: Reinstall screen saver program Lenovo Support <noreply@lenovo.com> - 2025-02-02 05:30 +0000
    Re: Reinstall screen saver program T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-02 01:30 -0800
      Re: Reinstall screen saver program Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-02 09:23 -0500
      Re: Reinstall screen saver program VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-02-02 11:23 -0600
        Re: Reinstall screen saver program Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-02-02 17:28 +0000
          Re: Reinstall screen saver program VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-02-02 16:40 -0600
        Re: Reinstall screen saver program T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-02 12:56 -0800
          Re: Reinstall screen saver program VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-02-02 17:16 -0600
            Re: Reinstall screen saver program T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-03 14:31 -0800
            Re: Reinstall screen saver program T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-03 14:31 -0800
          Re: Reinstall screen saver program Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-02 23:09 -0500
            Re: Reinstall screen saver program VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-02-03 08:32 -0600

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#16691 — Reinstall screen saver program

Hi All,

I know how to operate the screen save and I know how to download 
addition screen saver.  That is not what I am after.

Tiny 11 comes with the screen saver program broken or incomplete.

I want to know how to install / reinstall the screen saver program.

Is there a cab file on the ISO I can extract it from?

-T

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#16692

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> I know how to operate the screen save and I know how to download 
> addition screen saver.  That is not what I am after.
> 
> Tiny 11 comes with the screen saver program broken or incomplete.
> 
> I want to know how to install / reinstall the screen saver program.
> 
> Is there a cab file on the ISO I can extract it from?

Screen saver files (.scr extension) are executable, and why they are
dangerous to obtain from unknown or iffy sources.  You end up
downloading executables onto your host.  Just like .exe, and other
executable files, .scr files can be infected, too, or simply defective
in their coding.  Screensaver files are .exe files renamed to .scr.

https://wizardcyber.com/weaponizing-screen-savers-a-deep-dive-into-scr-file-exploitation/

Screensavers are coded using a programming language (e.g., C++) which
call the ScreenSaverProc() function.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/scrnsave/nf-scrnsave-screensaverproc
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Windows_Programming/Programming_Screensavers

Hunt for .scr files, like using Everything to find them.  Double-click
on an .scr file to execute it.  For example, after double-clicking on
the bubbles.scr file in C:\Windows\System32, you'll see bubbles floating
across the screen until you click the mouse, or hit a key.  If the .scr
file doesn't work (as expected), and it's one of those supplied by
Microsoft, get the .scr file from another distro of Windows.

If it is not the actual screensaver program you need, but the manager to
define parameters, like which screensaver (.scr) to use, timeout,
password enabled, etc, you might want to use the God Mode for Control
Panel.  See:

https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/how-to-enable-god-mode-in-windows/

Then double-click the God Mode folder, and scroll to the bottom to get
to the Power Options section where you see "Change screen saver".  When
you double-click that, you'll see the Screen Saver Settings dialog.
This is probably a call to a function in a system library, like
shell32.dll, to paint the dialog.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/lwef/screen-saver-library

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#16696

On Sat, 2/1/2025 10:07 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> I know how to operate the screen save and I know how to download 
>> addition screen saver.  That is not what I am after.
>>
>> Tiny 11 comes with the screen saver program broken or incomplete.
>>
>> I want to know how to install / reinstall the screen saver program.
>>
>> Is there a cab file on the ISO I can extract it from?
> 
> Screen saver files (.scr extension) are executable, and why they are
> dangerous to obtain from unknown or iffy sources.  You end up
> downloading executables onto your host.  Just like .exe, and other
> executable files, .scr files can be infected, too, or simply defective
> in their coding.  Screensaver files are .exe files renamed to .scr.
> 
> https://wizardcyber.com/weaponizing-screen-savers-a-deep-dive-into-scr-file-exploitation/
> 
> Screensavers are coded using a programming language (e.g., C++) which
> call the ScreenSaverProc() function.
> 
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/scrnsave/nf-scrnsave-screensaverproc
> https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Windows_Programming/Programming_Screensavers
> 
> Hunt for .scr files, like using Everything to find them.  Double-click
> on an .scr file to execute it.  For example, after double-clicking on
> the bubbles.scr file in C:\Windows\System32, you'll see bubbles floating
> across the screen until you click the mouse, or hit a key.  If the .scr
> file doesn't work (as expected), and it's one of those supplied by
> Microsoft, get the .scr file from another distro of Windows.
> 
> If it is not the actual screensaver program you need, but the manager to
> define parameters, like which screensaver (.scr) to use, timeout,
> password enabled, etc, you might want to use the God Mode for Control
> Panel.  See:
> 
> https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/how-to-enable-god-mode-in-windows/
> 
> Then double-click the God Mode folder, and scroll to the bottom to get
> to the Power Options section where you see "Change screen saver".  When
> you double-click that, you'll see the Screen Saver Settings dialog.
> This is probably a call to a function in a system library, like
> shell32.dll, to paint the dialog.
> 
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/lwef/screen-saver-library
> 

It could be related to lockscreen and desk.cpl .

Asking questions about it seems to be pretty useless.
I might as well be asking for the current weather in Redmond.

Each of the .scr has its own package.

The question is, from a package management perspective, does
Windows have meta-packages which pull in all the dependencies ?

One reason we're fixated on "packages" or "installers",
is we see the activities that result from Programs and Features : Windows Features,
and how some crap gets installed when we ask for a certain feature.
But is everything hooked up that way ? Does every subsystem have a dedicated
subsystem installer ? That does not seem likely some how. But if
you could find the SMBV1 installer for example, that might provide
more of a hint as to how the wiring works.

It's either that, or find a Youtube from NTDEV on how the
"Tiny11 Builder works".

   Paul

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#16712

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> Tiny 11 comes with the screen saver program broken or incomplete.
>>> I want to know how to install / reinstall the screen saver program.
>>> Is there a cab file on the ISO I can extract it from?
>> 
>> This is probably a call to a function in a system library, like
>> shell32.dll, to paint the dialog.
>> 
>> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/lwef/screen-saver-library
> 
> It could be related to lockscreen and desk.cpl .
> 
> Asking questions about it seems to be pretty useless.
> I might as well be asking for the current weather in Redmond.
> 
> Each of the .scr has its own package.

As I recall, to "install" a screensaver is to merely copy the .scr file
into the C:\Windows\System32 folder.  The dialog for setting parameters
(which are apparently command-line args to the .scr executable) seems to
come from some syslib, but I'm not spending the time to list the exports
of all the system .dlls to see which has the ScreenSaverProc() function.

I currently have the ssText3d.scr screensaver selected.  When I hunt in
the registry, I find it got selected at:

Key: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop
Data item: SCRNSAVE.EXE
Data value: C:\Windows\System32\ssText3d.scr

Yet a search with voidtools' Everything does not find a scrnsave.exe
file, but it does find a scrnsave.scr file, and all .scr files are
executables.

Further searching on ssText3d in the registry found:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Screensavers\ssText3d

Its data items-value pairs look to define the parameters under which
that screensaver will operate.  It is under the HKCU hive which makes
sense since each user (Windows account) can specify its own screensaver.

The problem with Microsoft trying to usurp the CP applets is that many
of them are no longer available as separate applets.  desk.cpl will open
the Win10 wizard dialog with "Display" preselected.  You can't get at
the old desk.cpl applet anymore.  In Start Menu, I enter "screensave",
and select the "Change screen saver" entry in the search list.  That
opens a dialog titled "Screen Saver Settings".  I then used
SysInternals' Process Explorer with its target icon in its toolbar that
helps to identify the owning process of a window handle.  Click on the
sniper icon in PE, and drag the sniper icon to the window.  When I do
that, PE highlights the following process:

rundll32.exe

Well, that's a syslib with lots of externally called functions
(exports).  

If Tiny11 has a fucked up rundll32.exe file, well, that's another reason
not to use these unknown one-man distros that disclaim any
responsibility for their product, as someone else mentioned the YT video
at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UVKfliA_Rc regarding such problems.

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#16718

On 2/2/25 3:36 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
> If Tiny11 has a fucked up rundll32.exe file, well, that's another reason
> not to use these unknown one-man distros that disclaim any
> responsibility for their product

Not being able to adjust the screen saver's setting is
not a good reason to suffer with the numerous problems
that comes with vanilla 11.

You are cutting your nose off to spite your face.

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#16719

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 2/2/25 3:36 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
>> If Tiny11 has a fucked up rundll32.exe file, well, that's another reason
>> not to use these unknown one-man distros that disclaim any
>> responsibility for their product
> 
> Not being able to adjust the screen saver's setting is
> not a good reason to suffer with the numerous problems
> that comes with vanilla 11.
> 
> You are cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Problems versus preferences.  Often those are confused with each other.
Also, you just proved Tiny11 is not great.

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#16721

On 2/2/25 4:49 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/2/25 3:36 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
>>> If Tiny11 has a fucked up rundll32.exe file, well, that's another reason
>>> not to use these unknown one-man distros that disclaim any
>>> responsibility for their product
>>
>> Not being able to adjust the screen saver's setting is
>> not a good reason to suffer with the numerous problems
>> that comes with vanilla 11.
>>
>> You are cutting your nose off to spite your face.
> 
> Problems versus preferences.  Often those are confused with each other.
> Also, you just proved Tiny11 is not great.

Actually no.  I only proved that nothing is without problems.

Why would you reject a stripped, fast, stable version of
an OS over a bloated, unstable, kluge for a "mission
critical" application?   Because you can't alter the
screen saver settings?

Are you shilling for M$?

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#16722

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>>
>>>> If Tiny11 has a fucked up rundll32.exe file, well, that's another
>>>> reason not to use these unknown one-man distros that disclaim any
>>>> responsibility for their product
>>>
>>> Not being able to adjust the screen saver's setting is
>>> not a good reason to suffer with the numerous problems
>>> that comes with vanilla 11.
>>>
>>> You are cutting your nose off to spite your face.
>> 
>> Problems versus preferences.  Often those are confused with each other.
>> Also, you just proved Tiny11 is not great.
> 
> Actually no.  I only proved that nothing is without problems.
> 
> Why would you reject a stripped, fast, stable version of
> an OS over a bloated, unstable, kluge for a "mission
> critical" application?   Because you can't alter the
> screen saver settings?
> 
> Are you shilling for M$?

No, I'm not leading others down a path they shouldn't follow.  So,
you're trying to promote Tiny11 as a more stable modified version of
Windows 11?

https://github.com/ntdevlabs/tiny11builder/issues?q=is%3Aissue
Opened = 110.  Closed = 134.

There aren't many total issues, because there are few that use Tiny11,
and even fewer that will report an issue with it.  

Hmm, again, what is the name of THIS newsgroup?  Oh, that's right,
Tiny11 doesn't have a newsgroup nor a forum for peer support.

Do your customers know you are proliferating a privately modded, pirated
copy, and illegally modified distro of Windows 11?  Per NTDev's own
comments:

- "Tiny11 is not serviceable".
- Removal of WinSxSs -- the major reduction in Tiny11's drive footprint
-- means "the installation of new features or languages is unfortunately
not possible".
- "Keep in mind that **you cannot add back features in tiny11 core**!"
- "At it's core, tiny11 is designed to bring new life to old computers,
so I don't encourage installing it on PCs that support Windows 11 by
default. This doesn't mean that I don't trust my product, but at one
point the disadvantages outweigh the benefits."  You're really trying to
get Win11 via Tiny11 to run on ancient hardware, or run it [illegally]
inside a VM?  Even NTdev says there are disadvantages to Tiny11.
- "tiny11 Core is not a full Windows 11 substitute but a rapid testing
or development tool, potentially useful for VM environments."  It is
intended as a test platform (assuming you can legally activate it), not
for production or critical deployment.

To activate Tiny11, you need to get an unfettered license for Windows 11
Pro to use for Tiny11 (which based on Win11 Pro).  See
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NJuhG2WD2A.  However, since Tiny11 is
not a sanctioned distro by Microsoft, it is illegal to use a Win11
license for Tiny11.

There isn't even an official download site for Tiny11.  You get it from
the likes of archive.org, techspot.com, and softonic.com.

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-11/294806/hands-on-with-tiny11-2311

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#16725

On 2/2/25 5:57 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>
>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If Tiny11 has a fucked up rundll32.exe file, well, that's another
>>>>> reason not to use these unknown one-man distros that disclaim any
>>>>> responsibility for their product
>>>>
>>>> Not being able to adjust the screen saver's setting is
>>>> not a good reason to suffer with the numerous problems
>>>> that comes with vanilla 11.
>>>>
>>>> You are cutting your nose off to spite your face.
>>>
>>> Problems versus preferences.  Often those are confused with each other.
>>> Also, you just proved Tiny11 is not great.
>>
>> Actually no.  I only proved that nothing is without problems.
>>
>> Why would you reject a stripped, fast, stable version of
>> an OS over a bloated, unstable, kluge for a "mission
>> critical" application?   Because you can't alter the
>> screen saver settings?
>>
>> Are you shilling for M$?
> 
> No, I'm not leading others down a path they shouldn't follow.  So,
> you're trying to promote Tiny11 as a more stable modified version of
> Windows 11?
> 
> https://github.com/ntdevlabs/tiny11builder/issues?q=is%3Aissue
> Opened = 110.  Closed = 134.
> 
> There aren't many total issues, because there are few that use Tiny11,
> and even fewer that will report an issue with it.
> 
> Hmm, again, what is the name of THIS newsgroup?  Oh, that's right,
> Tiny11 doesn't have a newsgroup nor a forum for peer support.

Tiny 11 *IS* Windows 11.  It is not a fork of 11. This site
is appropriate for it.  Your get support over all the
normal 11 vehicles.

> Do your customers know you are proliferating a privately modded, pirated
> copy, and illegally modified distro of Windows 11?  Per NTDev's own
> comments:
> 
> - "Tiny11 is not serviceable".
> - Removal of WinSxSs -- the major reduction in Tiny11's drive footprint
> -- means "the installation of new features or languages is unfortunately
> not possible".
> - "Keep in mind that **you cannot add back features in tiny11 core**!"

Bull shit!  I do it all the time.  You can even add back Edge.
And it pulls in M$ updates on a regular basis.

> - "At it's core, tiny11 is designed to bring new life to old computers,
> so I don't encourage installing it on PCs that support Windows 11 by
> default. This doesn't mean that I don't trust my product, but at one
> point the disadvantages outweigh the benefits."  You're really trying to
> get Win11 via Tiny11 to run on ancient hardware, or run it [illegally]
> inside a VM?  Even NTdev says there are disadvantages to Tiny11.
> - "tiny11 Core is not a full Windows 11 substitute but a rapid testing
> or development tool, potentially useful for VM environments."  It is
> intended as a test platform (assuming you can legally activate it), not
> for production or critical deployment.

So a crappy, bloated , unstable version of an OS is
preferred over the same OS with a bunch of crap removed
for production or critical deployment?

> To activate Tiny11, you need to get an unfettered license for Windows 11

Nonsense!  Tiny-11 activates with the OEM license embedded in the BIOS.
Yes, I tested it!

> Pro to use for Tiny11 (which based on Win11 Pro).  See
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NJuhG2WD2A.  However, since Tiny11 is
> not a sanctioned distro by Microsoft, it is illegal to use a Win11
> license for Tiny11.
> 
> There isn't even an official download site for Tiny11.  You get it from
> the likes of archive.org, techspot.com, and softonic.com.

Tiny 11 directs you to where to download it.  What is your
point?  The developer is not rich enough to have his
own download site?
> 
> https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-11/294806/hands-on-with-tiny11-2311


What a bunch of non-sense you are promoting.  Now I know you
are shilling for M$.

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#16726

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Hmm, again, what is the name of THIS newsgroup?  Oh, that's right,
>> Tiny11 doesn't have a newsgroup nor a forum for peer support.
> 
> Tiny 11 *IS* Windows 11.  It is not a fork of 11. This site
> is appropriate for it.  Your get support over all the
> normal 11 vehicles.

So, in your view, scripting or modifying that alters the OS is not
creating a fork of that OS.  

>> Per NTDev's own comments:
>> 
>> - "Keep in mind that **you cannot add back features in tiny11 core**!"
> 
> Bull shit!  I do it all the time.  You can even add back Edge.
> And it pulls in M$ updates on a regular basis.

Hey, did miss that *NTdev* made those comments?

>> - "tiny11 Core is not a full Windows 11 substitute but a rapid testing
>> or development tool, potentially useful for VM environments."  It is
>> intended as a test platform (assuming you can legally activate it), not
>> for production or critical deployment.
> 
> So a crappy, bloated , unstable version of an OS is
> preferred over the same OS with a bunch of crap removed
> for production or critical deployment?

And how does debloating make the OS itself more stable?  I wasn't aware
that removing features would magically stabilize an OS.  Again you miss
it was NTdev that made the statement (quoted portion).

>> To activate Tiny11, you need to get an unfettered license for Windows
>> 11
> 
> Nonsense!  Tiny-11 activates with the OEM license embedded in the BIOS.
> Yes, I tested it!

I did not realize hosts came with such huge EEPROMs to store an entire
install image of Windows.  Did you mean the recovery partition on a
drive?

I did say unfettered.  I take it such a license is tied to the host, so
[re]installing it is permissable.

You want us to believe that we should not bother with the contractual
obligations of the license.  Legality is not defined by what you can do,
but by what you should do.

You've already shown that what NTdev provides in his Tiny11 (modified
Win11 Pro) differs from what Microsoft provides in their product.

>> There isn't even an official download site for Tiny11.  You get it from
>> the likes of archive.org, techspot.com, and softonic.com.
> 
> Tiny 11 directs you to where to download it.  

Wow, software that can download itself before anything of it gets
downloaded.

>> https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-11/294806/hands-on-with-tiny11-2311
> 
> What a bunch of non-sense you are promoting.  

Yeah, I figured you'd take that stance, especially since you don't know
the history of Thurott.  So, just how many books on Windows have you
written, and gotten published?

> Now I know you are shilling for M$.

Yes, that would placate your defense of promoting Tiny11.  I just must
be shilling for MS, because you want that to be true.  Obviously you
don't remember my own comments about eventually moving to a Linux
distro, especially if Win12 is just another pig with thicker makeup than
was Win11 over Win10 and Win7.  In the Win10 newsgroup, I lately spoke
with Paul on whether to dive into Mint or Redhat, and you were in that
thread, too.  Gee, yet you didn't lambaste me as a Linux proselytizer
over there.

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#16729

VanguardLH wrote on 2/2/25 10:02 AM:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm, again, what is the name of THIS newsgroup?  Oh, that's right,
>>> Tiny11 doesn't have a newsgroup nor a forum for peer support.
>>
>> Tiny 11 *IS* Windows 11.  It is not a fork of 11. This site
>> is appropriate for it.  Your get support over all the
>> normal 11 vehicles.
> 
> So, in your view, scripting or modifying that alters the OS is not
> creating a fork of that OS.
> 
>>> Per NTDev's own comments:
>>>
>>> - "Keep in mind that **you cannot add back features in tiny11 core**!"
>>
>> Bull shit!  I do it all the time.  You can even add back Edge.
>> And it pulls in M$ updates on a regular basis.
> 
> Hey, did miss that *NTdev* made those comments?

Uh...you didn't miss much.
You missed the 'bs' reply to your comment ['cannot add back features in 
Tiny11'] that used Edge as an example to substantiate Tiny11 flexibility.
  Edge is not a feature, it's a program(while integrated within Windows) 
it is not a feature but a program with its own features(in its Settings 
options).



-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16741

"...w¡ñ§±¤ñ " <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote on 2/2/25 10:02 AM:
>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmm, again, what is the name of THIS newsgroup?  Oh, that's right,
>>>> Tiny11 doesn't have a newsgroup nor a forum for peer support.
>>>
>>> Tiny 11 *IS* Windows 11.  It is not a fork of 11. This site
>>> is appropriate for it.  Your get support over all the
>>> normal 11 vehicles.
>> 
>> So, in your view, scripting or modifying that alters the OS is not
>> creating a fork of that OS.
>> 
>>>> Per NTDev's own comments:
>>>>
>>>> - "Keep in mind that **you cannot add back features in tiny11 core**!"
>>>
>>> Bull shit!  I do it all the time.  You can even add back Edge.
>>> And it pulls in M$ updates on a regular basis.
>> 
>> Hey, did miss that *NTdev* made those comments?
> 
> Uh...you didn't miss much.
> You missed the 'bs' reply to your comment ['cannot add back features in 
> Tiny11'] that used Edge as an example to substantiate Tiny11 flexibility.
>   Edge is not a feature, it's a program(while integrated within Windows) 
> it is not a feature but a program with its own features(in its Settings 
> options).

So, T's example of adding Edge back into Tiny11 is not restoring a
feature as he said.

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#16768

VanguardLH wrote on 2/2/25 4:08 PM:
> "...w¡ñ§±¤ñ " <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> VanguardLH wrote on 2/2/25 10:02 AM:
>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hmm, again, what is the name of THIS newsgroup?  Oh, that's right,
>>>>> Tiny11 doesn't have a newsgroup nor a forum for peer support.
>>>>
>>>> Tiny 11 *IS* Windows 11.  It is not a fork of 11. This site
>>>> is appropriate for it.  Your get support over all the
>>>> normal 11 vehicles.
>>>
>>> So, in your view, scripting or modifying that alters the OS is not
>>> creating a fork of that OS.
>>>
>>>>> Per NTDev's own comments:
>>>>>
>>>>> - "Keep in mind that **you cannot add back features in tiny11 core**!"
>>>>
>>>> Bull shit!  I do it all the time.  You can even add back Edge.
>>>> And it pulls in M$ updates on a regular basis.
>>>
>>> Hey, did miss that *NTdev* made those comments?
>>
>> Uh...you didn't miss much.
>> You missed the 'bs' reply to your comment ['cannot add back features in
>> Tiny11'] that used Edge as an example to substantiate Tiny11 flexibility.
>>    Edge is not a feature, it's a program(while integrated within Windows)
>> it is not a feature but a program with its own features(in its Settings
>> options).
> 
> So, T's example of adding Edge back into Tiny11 is not restoring a
> feature as he said.
> 
Correct - adding Edge, 'back into Tiny11' is not restoring a feature.

Adding the program Edge to Windows or the Edge app(iOs, Android) brings 
along Edge's own program/apps settings which provide access to Edge's own 
configurable ***features***.


-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16700

On 2/1/25 7:07 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> I know how to operate the screen save and I know how to download
>> addition screen saver.  That is not what I am after.
>>
>> Tiny 11 comes with the screen saver program broken or incomplete.
>>
>> I want to know how to install / reinstall the screen saver program.
>>
>> Is there a cab file on the ISO I can extract it from?
> 
> Screen saver files (.scr extension) are executable, and why they are
> dangerous to obtain from unknown or iffy sources.  You end up
> downloading executables onto your host.  Just like .exe, and other
> executable files, .scr files can be infected, too, or simply defective
> in their coding.  Screensaver files are .exe files renamed to .scr.
> 
> https://wizardcyber.com/weaponizing-screen-savers-a-deep-dive-into-scr-file-exploitation/
> 
> Screensavers are coded using a programming language (e.g., C++) which
> call the ScreenSaverProc() function.
> 
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/scrnsave/nf-scrnsave-screensaverproc
> https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Windows_Programming/Programming_Screensavers
> 
> Hunt for .scr files, like using Everything to find them.  Double-click
> on an .scr file to execute it.  For example, after double-clicking on
> the bubbles.scr file in C:\Windows\System32, you'll see bubbles floating
> across the screen until you click the mouse, or hit a key.  If the .scr
> file doesn't work (as expected), and it's one of those supplied by
> Microsoft, get the .scr file from another distro of Windows.
> 
> If it is not the actual screensaver program you need, but the manager to
> define parameters, like which screensaver (.scr) to use, timeout,
> password enabled, etc, you might want to use the God Mode for Control
> Panel.  See:
> 
> https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/how-to-enable-god-mode-in-windows/
> 
> Then double-click the God Mode folder, and scroll to the bottom to get
> to the Power Options section where you see "Change screen saver".  When
> you double-click that, you'll see the Screen Saver Settings dialog.
> This is probably a call to a function in a system library, like
> shell32.dll, to paint the dialog.
> 
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/lwef/screen-saver-library


Hi LH,

I want to take the ISO of W11 and extract the screen saver
from it.

How do I do that?

-T

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#16714

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> Tiny 11 comes with the screen saver program broken or incomplete.
>>> I want to know how to install / reinstall the screen saver program.
>> 
>> Hunt for .scr files, like using Everything to find them.  Double-click
>> on an .scr file to execute it.  For example, after double-clicking on
>> the bubbles.scr file in C:\Windows\System32, you'll see bubbles floating
>> across the screen until you click the mouse, or hit a key.  If the .scr
>> file doesn't work (as expected), and it's one of those supplied by
>> Microsoft, get the .scr file from another distro of Windows.
> 
> I want to take the ISO of W11 and extract the screen saver
> from it.
> How do I do that?

If all you want is the screensaver executable file (.scr), find it in a
Windows distro (likely under C:\Windows\System32) to copy to your
problematic Tiny11 distro.  See my "Hunt for .scr files" paragraph
(shown again above).

I didn't bother to look inside a Win ISO file (.iso) to see if the .scr
files are separately available, or packed into some .cab file.  In the
registry, I did find:

HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-19\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Screensavers

which lists the MS bundled screensavers.  I don't know if the
rundll32.exe tool (mentioned in my reply to Paul) will look for all .scr
files in the C:\Windows\System32 folder, or if it uses the list at the
registry key.

As far as I know, there are no direct downloads from MS to get .scr
files.  You get the ones they bundled with the OS.  You must have a
legit MS Win11 distro and not relying on your test box running Tiny11
for production/critical use.  Get the .scr files from your legit MS
Win11 distro.  Maybe DISM or SFC would reconstitute the .scr files.

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#16698

On 02/02/2025 01:46, T wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I know how to operate the screen save and I know how to download 
> addition screen saver.  That is not what I am after.
> 
> Tiny 11 comes with the screen saver program broken or incomplete.
> 
> I want to know how to install / reinstall the screen saver program.
> 
> Is there a cab file on the ISO I can extract it from?
> 
> -T
> 
> 

Have you asked the Russian Hacker who created Tiny 11 how to reinstall 
what is missing from his malware?

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#16706

On 2/1/25 5:46 PM, T wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I know how to operate the screen save and I know how to download 
> addition screen saver.  That is not what I am after.
> 
> Tiny 11 comes with the screen saver program broken or incomplete.
> 
> I want to know how to install / reinstall the screen saver program.
> 
> Is there a cab file on the ISO I can extract it from?
> 
> -T


Here is the problem. The screen saver's setting button is ignored.
It flashes on and back off. I made a .mkv movie of it, but
I can't figure out a way for you all to see it.

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#16724

On Sun, 2/2/2025 4:30 AM, T wrote:
> On 2/1/25 5:46 PM, T wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I know how to operate the screen save and I know how to download addition screen saver.  That is not what I am after.
>>
>> Tiny 11 comes with the screen saver program broken or incomplete.
>>
>> I want to know how to install / reinstall the screen saver program.
>>
>> Is there a cab file on the ISO I can extract it from?
>>
>> -T
> 
> 
> Here is the problem. The screen saver's setting button is ignored.
> It flashes on and back off. I made a .mkv movie of it, but
> I can't figure out a way for you all to see it.

To a limited extent, you can make an animated GIF and post
to an image site, up to the size or area limits of the site.

The screen saver may be having trouble, saving in a registry
hive or saving to disk. Use Process Monitor from Sysinternals
and see what it is trying to do before the button becomes unglued.

While posting the image would be fun, concentrate on collecting
the data needed to fix it. You can save a Procmon trace and
bring it back home -- what is not captured in the trace, is
a "tasklist /svc" for decoding what the PIDs in the run, correspond to.
For example, if I see PID 1234 do something, I would need to see
the tasklist to see what PID 1234 name is in real life.

   tasklist /svc > my-list-for-later.txt

  Paul


   Paul

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#16727

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> T wrote:
>
>> Tiny 11 comes with the screen saver program broken or incomplete.
>> I want to know how to install / reinstall the screen saver program.
> 
> Here is the problem. The screen saver's setting button is ignored.
> It flashes on and back off. I made a .mkv movie of it, but
> I can't figure out a way for you all to see it.

Double-clicking on the .scr file has the screensaver function okay;
i.e., it loads, and runs?  Is the "setting" button (there are several)
displayed by the screensaver itself when it runs, or by the Screen Saver
Setting dialog?  In the Screen Saver Settings dialog, there are several
elements:

- Drop-down list of available screensavers (.scr files).
- Settings button (depends on the features of the screensaver).
- Preview.  Does the screensaver load when you click Preview?
- Wait (idle time until screensaver activates).
- On resume, display logon screen (checkbox).
- Okay button.
- Cancel button.
- Apply button.

You never mentioned which .scr file you are trying to use.  Try a
different one to see if the problem is symptomatic to all screensavers,
or just a particular .scr file.

Where is the problematic .scr file stored in the file system?  Also,
compare its file permissions against other screensavers (.scr files)
that do work, if any.

In my reply to Paul, I mentioned where in the registry the arguments to
the screensaver are stored.  Maybe you could edit them there (until you
replace the .scr file from a legit Win11 distro, or make sure you have a
functioning rundll32.exe (and rundll32.dll) file maybe by running DISM
or SFC.

If this is your host, you'd probably know if you enabled a policy to
disable screensavers, but if it is someone else's host then maybe they
change a policy, or used a tweaker.  

"To disable the screensaver using Windows policy, navigate to User
Configuration > Administrative Templates > Control Panel >
Personalization > Enable Screen Saver in your Group Policy Editor and
set it to "Disabled" to prevent users from activating a screensaver on
their computers."

That's from Google's AI search results.  I have the Home edition, so
there is no policy editor in which I can check the nav path to the
policy setting.  Microsoft provides an Excel spreadsheet of all the
policies, and their registry settings (all policies are registry
entries), but I didn't bother to retrieve the latest copy to hunt
through it for a screensaver policy.

I use Winaero Tweaker which includes links to their online articles on
many of its settings.  For screensaver policy, I did a search on
"winaero windows disable screensaver policy", and found:

https://winaero.com/force-disable-screen-saver-in-windows-10/

You want a value of 1 to enable screensavers.

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#16728

VanguardLH wrote:

> Double-clicking on the .scr file has the screensaver function okay;
> i.e., it loads, and runs?

You have to be careful starting them that way, because if the mouse sees 
any movement after the double-click that will cancel the screen saver 
immediately ...

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