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  Windows 11 24H2 Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-02-02 21:20 -0700
    Re: Windows 11 24H2 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-02 23:36 -0500
      Re: Windows 11 24H2 Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-02-03 09:30 -0700
        Re: Windows 11 24H2 ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-03 12:10 -0700
    Re: Windows 11 24H2 "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-02-03 09:25 -0500
      Re: Windows 11 24H2 Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-02-03 09:08 -0700
        Re: Windows 11 24H2 "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-02-03 13:48 -0500
          Re: Windows 11 24H2 Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-02-03 16:42 -0700
        Re: Windows 11 24H2 Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-04 13:27 +0000
          Re: Windows 11 24H2 "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-02-04 08:42 -0500
            Re: Windows 11 24H2 Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-04 14:00 +0000
        Re: Windows 11 24H2 Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-02-04 23:43 +0000

#16750 — Windows 11 24H2

FYI, I brought up my Windows 11 boot on a Dell XPS13 9315 today and
after installing the latest 23H2 updates finally got offered the 24H2
version update. It installed and seems to be running fine.

I don't have the "get the latest updates as soon as they are available"
switch turned on, so it seems it is finally rolling out to the general
population.

My Win 11 is a dual boot with Fedora Linux, and I don't boot Windows up
very often, but I do try to keep up with the monthly patch updates. The
only reason I keep Win 11 on the machine at all is for a couple of
programs I can't run on Linux, like TurboTax and the "MyDrive Connect"
program used to update my TomTom GPS units.
-- 
-Don_from_AZ-

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#16751

On Sun, 2/2/2025 11:20 PM, Don_from_AZ wrote:
> FYI, I brought up my Windows 11 boot on a Dell XPS13 9315 today and
> after installing the latest 23H2 updates finally got offered the 24H2
> version update. It installed and seems to be running fine.
> 
> I don't have the "get the latest updates as soon as they are available"
> switch turned on, so it seems it is finally rolling out to the general
> population.
> 
> My Win 11 is a dual boot with Fedora Linux, and I don't boot Windows up
> very often, but I do try to keep up with the monthly patch updates. The
> only reason I keep Win 11 on the machine at all is for a couple of
> programs I can't run on Linux, like TurboTax and the "MyDrive Connect"
> program used to update my TomTom GPS units.
> 

And you will notice the upgrade install did not trash GRUB.

There is apparently another boot method besides GRUB
now, but I don't know anything about it, and whether
it plays well.

You could need some repairs to your setup, if you change the
partition numbering sufficiently. Some setups get quite confused
(partitioning tool can re-order the partitions in the table),
and a few things do depend on their partition number for their
identity. It's not all as BLKID or GUID as they let on.
You can break stuff, with enough effort :-)

And the (Ubuntu hosted) Boot Repair CD, that didn't work
on Fedora when I tried it. Fedora is RedHat, and I didn't
expect it to work particularly, as it's a different part
of the Linux tree.

You should always be curious about what your repair options
are with any OS. Maybe Fedora has their own Boot Repair CD...

   Paul

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#16767

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:

> On Sun, 2/2/2025 11:20 PM, Don_from_AZ wrote:
>> FYI, I brought up my Windows 11 boot on a Dell XPS13 9315 today and
>> after installing the latest 23H2 updates finally got offered the 24H2
>> version update. It installed and seems to be running fine.
>> 
>> I don't have the "get the latest updates as soon as they are available"
>> switch turned on, so it seems it is finally rolling out to the general
>> population.
>> 
>> My Win 11 is a dual boot with Fedora Linux, and I don't boot Windows up
>> very often, but I do try to keep up with the monthly patch updates. The
>> only reason I keep Win 11 on the machine at all is for a couple of
>> programs I can't run on Linux, like TurboTax and the "MyDrive Connect"
>> program used to update my TomTom GPS units.
>> 
>
> And you will notice the upgrade install did not trash GRUB.
>
> There is apparently another boot method besides GRUB
> now, but I don't know anything about it, and whether
> it plays well.
>
> You could need some repairs to your setup, if you change the
> partition numbering sufficiently. Some setups get quite confused
> (partitioning tool can re-order the partitions in the table),
> and a few things do depend on their partition number for their
> identity. It's not all as BLKID or GUID as they let on.
> You can break stuff, with enough effort :-)
>
> And the (Ubuntu hosted) Boot Repair CD, that didn't work
> on Fedora when I tried it. Fedora is RedHat, and I didn't
> expect it to work particularly, as it's a different part
> of the Linux tree.
>
> You should always be curious about what your repair options
> are with any OS. Maybe Fedora has their own Boot Repair CD...
>
>    Paul
Yes, the 24H2 update worked without messing with my dual boot setup.

I bought the XPS13 specifically to dual-boot with Linux. I ran into an
unexpected problem with initially installing Fedora, in that I bought
the XPS13 with Win 11 Home edition, but Dell shipped it with Bitlocker
encryption turned on, which I did not expect, and it was not at all
obvious that it was on. After activating Windows, I turned around and
shrank the Windows partition and created space for Fedora. When I tried
to boot Windows again, Bitlocker complained and wanted my "key". I
didn't even know I had a "key".

After some anxious time googling, I found out that the bitlocker key was
stored in the Microsoft accound I used to activate Windows. I
immediately decrypted the disk and deactivated Bitlocker. Since then
things have worked just fine.

As for needing to repair the OSes, this laptop is just used mainly when
traveling in the RV. My main machine is a desktop, and I just move
profiles and data files to the laptop as needed for when we travel. I
could rebuild the laptop software from scratch without losing anything.
-- 
-Don_from_AZ-

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#16773

Don_from_AZ wrote on 2/3/25 9:30 AM:
> I bought the XPS13 specifically to dual-boot with Linux. I ran into an
> unexpected problem with initially installing Fedora, in that I bought
> the XPS13 with Win 11 Home edition, but Dell shipped it with Bitlocker
> encryption turned on, which I did not expect, and it was not at all
> obvious that it was on. After activating Windows, I turned around and
> shrank the Windows partition and created space for Fedora. When I tried
> to boot Windows again, Bitlocker complained and wanted my "key". I
> didn't even know I had a "key".
> 
> After some anxious time googling, I found out that the bitlocker key was
> stored in the Microsoft accound I used to activate Windows. I
> immediately decrypted the disk and deactivated Bitlocker. Since then
> things have worked just fine.

  Two terms
  - Bitlocker Drive Encryption and Device Encryption.
  For Dell Windows 10 Home, the latter applies. The former applies to 
Dell OEM Windows 10 Pro, Enterprise, Education.

  On Dell OEM device(Home) which supports Modern Standby on Windows 11, 
Device Encryption automatically enables a BitLocker-like encryption on 
the system drive(Windows) - preconfigured by Dell using a registry 
key(included in their Win10 image 'burned' to the device) left in a 
neutral state and seen by Windows as an approval to encrypt.

Dell burns the image to device and then initializes the OOBE which preps 
the computer for first use by initializing Device Encryption's 
BitLocker-like encryption.

First use of that device by the end user travels one of two paths.
  - First use with MSFT account, registry key changed from neutral to 
active, encryption enabled, encryption key uploaded to the MSFT account
  - First use with a Local Account, encryption registry key left in its 
neutral state, encryption not performed until authorization.



-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16763

On 2/2/25 11:20 PM, Don_from_AZ wrote:
> FYI, I brought up my Windows 11 boot on a Dell XPS13 9315 today and
> after installing the latest 23H2 updates finally got offered the 24H2
> version update. It installed and seems to be running fine.
> 
> I don't have the "get the latest updates as soon as they are available"
> switch turned on, so it seems it is finally rolling out to the general
> population.
> 
> My Win 11 is a dual boot with Fedora Linux, and I don't boot Windows up
> very often, but I do try to keep up with the monthly patch updates. The
> only reason I keep Win 11 on the machine at all is for a couple of
> programs I can't run on Linux, like TurboTax and the "MyDrive Connect"
> program used to update my TomTom GPS units.
You still use TomTom?   I still have mine but after the program got so big, with so little 
memory, and the map had to be split into either US western or US eastern, I stopped using 
it.  That and my phone guides me better, and is always up to date on the map (relatively).

Besides, my phone is in every car even if I'm a rider.

-- 
Linux Mint 22.1, Cinnamon 6.4.6,  Kernel 6.8.0-52-generic
Thunderbird 128.6.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 134.0.2
Alan K.

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#16765

"Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> writes:

> On 2/2/25 11:20 PM, Don_from_AZ wrote:
>> FYI, I brought up my Windows 11 boot on a Dell XPS13 9315 today and
>> after installing the latest 23H2 updates finally got offered the 24H2
>> version update. It installed and seems to be running fine.
>> I don't have the "get the latest updates as soon as they are
>> available"
>> switch turned on, so it seems it is finally rolling out to the general
>> population.
>> My Win 11 is a dual boot with Fedora Linux, and I don't boot Windows
>> up
>> very often, but I do try to keep up with the monthly patch updates. The
>> only reason I keep Win 11 on the machine at all is for a couple of
>> programs I can't run on Linux, like TurboTax and the "MyDrive Connect"
>> program used to update my TomTom GPS units.
> You still use TomTom?   I still have mine but after the program got so
> big, with so little memory, and the map had to be split into either US
> western or US eastern, I stopped using it.  That and my phone guides
> me better, and is always up to date on the map (relatively).
>
> Besides, my phone is in every car even if I'm a rider.
I have a TomTom Via 125 and 135 that I use in my cars and when traveling
in the RV. I prefer to have the maps completely in the navigation device
instead of depending on having data access for my phone and using up my
data quota.

I did run into the problem of not having enough space for the maps, but
I discovered that the units I have have an SD card slot for additional
memory, so I added an 8GB SD card and now have room for the entire US,
Canada and Mexico map set, which is all I need.

Another thing was that when I purchased the units, they came with
"lifetime" map updates. A couple of years ago, the "lifetime" apparently
expired, and I got a notice when I logged on that maps were no longer
available for them. I contacted their tech support and told them the
units still worked and I was still using them, and why weren't they
honoring my "lifetime" updates? They obligingly reset my account so I
still get the updates: I am on update 1155 and expect to load the next
update soon. So I have been happy with TomTom.
-- 
-Don_from_AZ-

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#16771

On 2/3/25 11:08 AM, Don_from_AZ wrote:
> "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> writes:
> 
>> On 2/2/25 11:20 PM, Don_from_AZ wrote:
>>> FYI, I brought up my Windows 11 boot on a Dell XPS13 9315 today and
>>> after installing the latest 23H2 updates finally got offered the 24H2
>>> version update. It installed and seems to be running fine.
>>> I don't have the "get the latest updates as soon as they are
>>> available"
>>> switch turned on, so it seems it is finally rolling out to the general
>>> population.
>>> My Win 11 is a dual boot with Fedora Linux, and I don't boot Windows
>>> up
>>> very often, but I do try to keep up with the monthly patch updates. The
>>> only reason I keep Win 11 on the machine at all is for a couple of
>>> programs I can't run on Linux, like TurboTax and the "MyDrive Connect"
>>> program used to update my TomTom GPS units.
>> You still use TomTom?   I still have mine but after the program got so
>> big, with so little memory, and the map had to be split into either US
>> western or US eastern, I stopped using it.  That and my phone guides
>> me better, and is always up to date on the map (relatively).
>>
>> Besides, my phone is in every car even if I'm a rider.
> I have a TomTom Via 125 and 135 that I use in my cars and when traveling
> in the RV. I prefer to have the maps completely in the navigation device
> instead of depending on having data access for my phone and using up my
> data quota.
> 
> I did run into the problem of not having enough space for the maps, but
> I discovered that the units I have have an SD card slot for additional
> memory, so I added an 8GB SD card and now have room for the entire US,
> Canada and Mexico map set, which is all I need.
> 
> Another thing was that when I purchased the units, they came with
> "lifetime" map updates. A couple of years ago, the "lifetime" apparently
> expired, and I got a notice when I logged on that maps were no longer
> available for them. I contacted their tech support and told them the
> units still worked and I was still using them, and why weren't they
> honoring my "lifetime" updates? They obligingly reset my account so I
> still get the updates: I am on update 1155 and expect to load the next
> update soon. So I have been happy with TomTom.
I should turn mine on (if it works) and try.
You're right about having the maps in the unit.  I never thought about the mobile access 
neded.  It would be a great thing to have in rural areas.

Thanks.  I got a project now for the afternoon, boot tomtom !

-- 
Linux Mint 22.1, Cinnamon 6.4.6,  Kernel 6.8.0-52-generic
Thunderbird 128.6.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 134.0.2
Alan K.

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#16780

"Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> writes:

> On 2/3/25 11:08 AM, Don_from_AZ wrote:
>> "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> writes:
>> 
>>> On 2/2/25 11:20 PM, Don_from_AZ wrote:
>>>> FYI, I brought up my Windows 11 boot on a Dell XPS13 9315 today and
>>>> after installing the latest 23H2 updates finally got offered the 24H2
>>>> version update. It installed and seems to be running fine.
>>>> I don't have the "get the latest updates as soon as they are
>>>> available"
>>>> switch turned on, so it seems it is finally rolling out to the general
>>>> population.
>>>> My Win 11 is a dual boot with Fedora Linux, and I don't boot Windows
>>>> up
>>>> very often, but I do try to keep up with the monthly patch updates. The
>>>> only reason I keep Win 11 on the machine at all is for a couple of
>>>> programs I can't run on Linux, like TurboTax and the "MyDrive Connect"
>>>> program used to update my TomTom GPS units.
>>> You still use TomTom?   I still have mine but after the program got so
>>> big, with so little memory, and the map had to be split into either US
>>> western or US eastern, I stopped using it.  That and my phone guides
>>> me better, and is always up to date on the map (relatively).
>>>
>>> Besides, my phone is in every car even if I'm a rider.
>> I have a TomTom Via 125 and 135 that I use in my cars and when traveling
>> in the RV. I prefer to have the maps completely in the navigation device
>> instead of depending on having data access for my phone and using up my
>> data quota.
>> I did run into the problem of not having enough space for the maps,
>> but
>> I discovered that the units I have have an SD card slot for additional
>> memory, so I added an 8GB SD card and now have room for the entire US,
>> Canada and Mexico map set, which is all I need.
>> Another thing was that when I purchased the units, they came with
>> "lifetime" map updates. A couple of years ago, the "lifetime" apparently
>> expired, and I got a notice when I logged on that maps were no longer
>> available for them. I contacted their tech support and told them the
>> units still worked and I was still using them, and why weren't they
>> honoring my "lifetime" updates? They obligingly reset my account so I
>> still get the updates: I am on update 1155 and expect to load the next
>> update soon. So I have been happy with TomTom.
> I should turn mine on (if it works) and try.
> You're right about having the maps in the unit.  I never thought about
> the mobile access neded.  It would be a great thing to have in rural
> areas.
>
> Thanks.  I got a project now for the afternoon, boot tomtom !
I double-checked and my current map version actually is 1140, not
1155. This version (1140) was released in October 2024, so a newer
version should be coming out in February or March of this year. TomTom
used to have a list of update numbers and release dates on their website
but I can't seem to find it today.
-- 
-Don_from_AZ-

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#16794

Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> wrote:
[...]

> I have a TomTom Via 125 and 135 that I use in my cars and when traveling
> in the RV. I prefer to have the maps completely in the navigation device
> instead of depending on having data access for my phone and using up my
> data quota.

  I don't want to turn you away from your Tom Tom device, but there are
many navigation apps - both for Apple and Android devices - which use
'offline' - i.e. locally stored - maps, including Tom Tom maps.

  For example, we extensively use the (Android) OSMAnd+ app during our
travels in our 4WD camper in rural/outback/remote areas of Australia,
where there often is no mobile coverage for hundreds and hundreds,
sometimes over a thousand, of kilometres.

  We actually use the navigation app on both a phone and a tablet. The
phone for the driver (me) for short-range navigation and the tablet for
the 'navigator' (my wife) for long-range navigation. (And of course we
have paper maps as a backup.)

  Anyway, now you know you have other options, in case you no longer get
map updates for your Tom Tom devices.

  Hope this helps.

[...]

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#16796

On 2/4/25 08:27 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>    For example, we extensively use the (Android) OSMAnd+ app during our
> travels in our 4WD camper in rural/outback/remote areas of Australia,
> where there often is no mobile coverage for hundreds and hundreds,
> sometimes over a thousand, of kilometres.
What's the diff from OSMAnd and OSMAnd+ other than the few $$$ for the plus?

-- 
Linux Mint 22.1, Cinnamon 6.4.6,  Kernel 6.8.0-52-generic
Thunderbird 128.6.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 134.0.2
Alan K.

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#16797

Alan K. <alan@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 2/4/25 08:27 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >    For example, we extensively use the (Android) OSMAnd+ app during our
> > travels in our 4WD camper in rural/outback/remote areas of Australia,
> > where there often is no mobile coverage for hundreds and hundreds,
> > sometimes over a thousand, of kilometres.
>
> What's the diff from OSMAnd and OSMAnd+ other than the few $$$ for the plus?

  The non-plus free version has limited downloads for maps/files.  It
used to be 10, where at least one of them is a world basemap and IIRC
also one or more others. Also a country is probably multiple maps and
some other features (TTS voices?) also count towards the number of maps/
files you can download. So the free version is mainly to see if you like
the app. Its trial time is unlimited, but as you cannot load more maps
or update existing maps, it's effectively still a limited trial.

  The current price for the plus version is quite high for an Android
app, but even at the current prica, it would have been more than worth
it for us. N.B. Once paid, you can use the app on multiple Android
devices, IIRC four at a time.

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#16813

On 03/02/2025 16:08, Don_from_AZ wrote:
> I have a TomTom Via 125 and 135 that I use in my cars and when traveling
> in the RV. I prefer to have the maps completely in the navigation device
> instead of depending on having data access for my phone and using up my
> data quota.

At least for Google maps, you can get you device to download all the 
maps you need over your home Wi-Fi before you leave home. You do have to 
remember to do it though.

-- 
Brian Gregory (in England).

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