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| Started by | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| First post | 2024-12-19 20:03 -0500 |
| Last post | 2024-12-25 16:19 -0500 |
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The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 20:03 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 19:55 -0700
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:52 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-21 07:26 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 23:15 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-23 23:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 11:48 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-25 06:54 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-25 20:39 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 22:23 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-12-27 11:31 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-28 07:04 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 16:53 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-28 19:34 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 15:07 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 15:12 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 17:11 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 17:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:16 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 14:24 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 15:39 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 16:06 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 17:10 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 17:39 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 18:58 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:10 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 19:21 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:55 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 18:02 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 18:35 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 19:51 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 20:00 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-29 22:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 03:48 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:55 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 20:15 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 21:49 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2024-12-30 04:06 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 08:31 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-30 19:12 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:53 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 21:06 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-31 11:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 01:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 20:52 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 17:02 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-18 11:54 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 18:46 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:51 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 09:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 00:53 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:42 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:44 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 23:14 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 10:09 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 00:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-29 01:43 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 20:52 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 07:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 06:58 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 21:17 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 20:41 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 23:31 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-30 10:56 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 03:24 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 13:50 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-31 13:18 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-31 19:14 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-01 07:44 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:22 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 19:36 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:27 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:16 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 18:50 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 02:30 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:55 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 07:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 01:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 16:15 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 16:39 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 19:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:30 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 07:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-30 12:53 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-30 13:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:56 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:45 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 19:31 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 00:15 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 05:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 22:03 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-04 04:50 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 08:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:42 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 01:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 10:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-04 21:13 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-04 21:50 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:39 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 00:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 01:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 03:04 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:07 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:22 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 08:23 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 22:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 00:12 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-07 02:10 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 14:12 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-08 02:26 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 13:28 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-08 21:28 +0000
[OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 01:50 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 03:01 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 03:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 06:47 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 08:20 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 21:18 -0500
[OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 02:34 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 22:08 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 22:34 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-05 07:19 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-05 10:39 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 03:39 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 08:13 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-05 08:52 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 20:53 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 21:26 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 06:38 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 07:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-29 13:19 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 08:48 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-29 08:02 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 09:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 20:56 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 17:03 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 23:32 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:21 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-12-29 07:41 -0700
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 22:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-03 09:09 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-03 20:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-03 21:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-03 23:28 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 21:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 22:25 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:19 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-04 04:49 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 01:10 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 15:55 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:20 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 08:11 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 23:20 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 11:53 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 10:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:32 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 21:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 19:29 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-02 18:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 11:26 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-03 08:55 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 14:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 19:32 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-05 15:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:17 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-06 14:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:14 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-25 16:19 -0500
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 20:32 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5ftd4lx9h4.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #15801 |
On 2024-12-30 16:08, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > On 2024-12-30 03:24, Chris wrote: >> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>> Le 2024-12-21 à 03:52, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit : >>>> On 20/12/2024 9:03 am, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-365-users- >>>>> hit-by-random-product-deactivation-errors/> >>>>> >>>>> Microsoft is investigating a known issue triggering "Product >>>>> Deactivated" errors for customers using Microsoft 365 Office apps. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It's not about "owning the software", but whether it requires a real- >>>> time online account to work. The usual words are "standalone" and >>>> "offline". :) >>> >>> The moment you require an online account to verify if you are the person >>> who bought the software, you don't own it. >> >> You've never "owned" software, afaia. At best, you own a licence which >> allows you to use the software within the terms of the licence. If you >> break the terms then you can lose the right to use the software. > > It's pretty easy to own the software if you use open-source, to be > honest. You have access to the code and can do as you wish with it as > long as you agree to share your modifications with the people who > offered it to you. That's as good as it gets outside of producing your > own program. I think you can keep your modifications to yourself, as long as you don't share or publish or sell the binary. Just your own internal usage. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 21:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <NQ1dP.111422$Uup4.9112@fx10.iad> |
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On 2024-12-31 14:32, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2024-12-30 16:08, Andrzej Matuch wrote: >> On 2024-12-30 03:24, Chris wrote: >>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>> Le 2024-12-21 à 03:52, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit : >>>>> On 20/12/2024 9:03 am, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>>> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-365-users- >>>>>> hit-by-random-product-deactivation-errors/> >>>>>> >>>>>> Microsoft is investigating a known issue triggering "Product >>>>>> Deactivated" errors for customers using Microsoft 365 Office apps. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's not about "owning the software", but whether it requires a real- >>>>> time online account to work. The usual words are "standalone" and >>>>> "offline". :) >>>> >>>> The moment you require an online account to verify if you are the >>>> person >>>> who bought the software, you don't own it. >>> >>> You've never "owned" software, afaia. At best, you own a licence which >>> allows you to use the software within the terms of the licence. If you >>> break the terms then you can lose the right to use the software. >> >> It's pretty easy to own the software if you use open-source, to be >> honest. You have access to the code and can do as you wish with it as >> long as you agree to share your modifications with the people who >> offered it to you. That's as good as it gets outside of producing your >> own program. > > I think you can keep your modifications to yourself, as long as you > don't share or publish or sell the binary. Just your own internal usage. From what I read in Stallman's books and what I know about the GPL, all of the above is correct. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41 KDE supporting member
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 16:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl3rje$2rvfu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15801 |
Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: > On 2024-12-30 03:24, Chris wrote: >> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>> Le 2024-12-21 à 03:52, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit : >>>> On 20/12/2024 9:03 am, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-365-users- >>>>> hit-by-random-product-deactivation-errors/> >>>>> >>>>> Microsoft is investigating a known issue triggering "Product >>>>> Deactivated" errors for customers using Microsoft 365 Office apps. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It's not about "owning the software", but whether it requires a real- >>>> time online account to work. The usual words are "standalone" and >>>> "offline". :) >>> >>> The moment you require an online account to verify if you are the person >>> who bought the software, you don't own it. >> >> You've never "owned" software, afaia. At best, you own a licence which >> allows you to use the software within the terms of the licence. If you >> break the terms then you can lose the right to use the software. > > It's pretty easy to own the software if you use open-source, to be > honest. You have access to the code and can do as you wish with it as > long as you agree to share your modifications with the people who > offered it to you. That's as good as it gets outside of producing your > own program. You still don't own it, but now it's purely semantics.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 19:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl452u$2tjip$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15902 |
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:47:42 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > You still don't own it, but now it's purely semantics. “Semantics” means "meaning”. So “now it’s purely meaning”?
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl5vln$3b63u$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15907 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:47:42 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >> You still don't own it, but now it's purely semantics. > > “Semantics” means "meaning”. So “now it’s purely meaning”? Correct. With FLOSS you don't own the software, as it's still just a license, but you can do with it more or less whatever you want. Meaning in practice it is indistinguishable from ownership.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-02 21:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl728i$3h9eh$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15962 |
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:27 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:47:42 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >> >>> You still don't own it, but now it's purely semantics. >> >> “Semantics” means "meaning”. So “now it’s purely meaning”? > > Correct. With FLOSS you don't own the software, as it's still just a > license, but you can do with it more or less whatever you want. Meaning > in practice it is indistinguishable from ownership. So the distinction from actual ownership ... is that meaningful or not?
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2025-01-02 18:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <oVEdP.37142$oCrf.35023@fx33.iad> |
| In reply to | #15996 |
On 2025-01-02 16:59, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:27 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:47:42 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >>> >>>> You still don't own it, but now it's purely semantics. >>> >>> “Semantics” means "meaning”. So “now it’s purely meaning”? >> >> Correct. With FLOSS you don't own the software, as it's still just a >> license, but you can do with it more or less whatever you want. Meaning >> in practice it is indistinguishable from ownership. > > So the distinction from actual ownership ... is that meaningful or not? I'm just going to say this again because it bears repeating: 1) I don't need to make an account to download software to Linux. 2) I don't need to make an account to use the software I downloaded. 3) I can install Linux without needing to log into an account I have or create one. If privacy is a concern, those are interesting advantages. Even if you don't care about privacy, you might be sick of logging in everywhere. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41 KDE supporting member
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 11:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl8l0p.11u4.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #16001 |
Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: > On 2025-01-02 16:59, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:27 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > > > >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> > >>> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:47:42 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >>> > >>>> You still don't own it, but now it's purely semantics. > >>> > >>> ?Semantics? means "meaning?. So ?now it?s purely meaning?? > >> > >> Correct. With FLOSS you don't own the software, as it's still just a > >> license, but you can do with it more or less whatever you want. Meaning > >> in practice it is indistinguishable from ownership. > > > > So the distinction from actual ownership ... is that meaningful or not? > > I'm just going to say this again because it bears repeating: > > 1) I don't need to make an account to download software to Linux. > 2) I don't need to make an account to use the software I downloaded. > 3) I can install Linux without needing to log into an account I have or > create one. > > If privacy is a concern, those are interesting advantages. Even if you > don't care about privacy, you might be sick of logging in everywhere. FYI, you don't need to do any of those things for/on Windows either. But most people don't know or can't be bothered that they have that option. For Windows, it's quite easy and practical. No so much for, for example, Android.
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 08:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <f%RdP.12364$h3%7.9596@fx02.iad> |
| In reply to | #16030 |
On 2025-01-03 06:26, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: >> On 2025-01-02 16:59, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:27 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >>> >>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:47:42 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You still don't own it, but now it's purely semantics. >>>>> >>>>> ?Semantics? means "meaning?. So ?now it?s purely meaning?? >>>> >>>> Correct. With FLOSS you don't own the software, as it's still just a >>>> license, but you can do with it more or less whatever you want. Meaning >>>> in practice it is indistinguishable from ownership. >>> >>> So the distinction from actual ownership ... is that meaningful or not? >> >> I'm just going to say this again because it bears repeating: >> >> 1) I don't need to make an account to download software to Linux. >> 2) I don't need to make an account to use the software I downloaded. >> 3) I can install Linux without needing to log into an account I have or >> create one. >> >> If privacy is a concern, those are interesting advantages. Even if you >> don't care about privacy, you might be sick of logging in everywhere. > > FYI, you don't need to do any of those things for/on Windows either. Installing Windows 11? The installer won't allow you to continue without logging in to your account. Sure, there are workarounds if you pray five times a day and stand on your head doing so, but it doesn't allow it be default. > But most people don't know or can't be bothered that they have that > option. > > For Windows, it's quite easy and practical. No so much for, for > example, Android. And what does Android have to do with this conversation? -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41 KDE supporting member
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 14:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl9010.r1c.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #16036 |
Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: > On 2025-01-03 06:26, Frank Slootweg wrote: > > Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: > >> On 2025-01-02 16:59, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:27 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >>> > >>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:47:42 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> You still don't own it, but now it's purely semantics. > >>>>> > >>>>> ?Semantics? means "meaning?. So ?now it?s purely meaning?? > >>>> > >>>> Correct. With FLOSS you don't own the software, as it's still just a > >>>> license, but you can do with it more or less whatever you want. Meaning > >>>> in practice it is indistinguishable from ownership. > >>> > >>> So the distinction from actual ownership ... is that meaningful or not? > >> > >> I'm just going to say this again because it bears repeating: > >> > >> 1) I don't need to make an account to download software to Linux. > >> 2) I don't need to make an account to use the software I downloaded. > >> 3) I can install Linux without needing to log into an account I have or > >> create one. > >> > >> If privacy is a concern, those are interesting advantages. Even if you > >> don't care about privacy, you might be sick of logging in everywhere. > > > > FYI, you don't need to do any of those things for/on Windows either. > > Installing Windows 11? The installer won't allow you to continue without > logging in to your account. Sure, there are workarounds if you pray five > times a day and stand on your head doing so, but it doesn't allow it be > default. The worarounds are not that difficult and some are even trivial. And there is (well, at least was, didn't check recently) one, which doesn't involve any hacks, just some 'clever'/'creative' answering of the questions. In the latter case it does it allow to be the default. > > But most people don't know or can't be bothered that they have that > > option. > > > > For Windows, it's quite easy and practical. No so much for, for > > example, Android. > > And what does Android have to do with this conversation? Nothing, other than that other (than Windows) commercial OSs have these kinds of restrictions, i.e. comparing apples to apples. Oops! :-)
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 19:32 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vlcjv2$mlb7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16036 |
On Fri, 1/3/2025 8:55 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> Installing Windows 11? The installer won't allow you to continue without logging
> in to your account. Sure, there are workarounds if you pray five times a day and
> stand on your head doing so, but it doesn't allow it be default.
Start with the https://rufus.ie USB stick preparation tool.
Name: rufus-4.6p.exe # Portable version
Size: 1622832 bytes (1584 KiB)
SHA256: 8279696C1D78B14618500E9135886A3667B9DECC65946F3729002E4BFDBB20AB
Run from Windows machine, to prepare Windows 11 media for clean install to a PC.
If Linux is onboard the target (to-be-installed) machine, make sure you have
prepared a [Linux] Boot Repair CD for later, when Linux needs to be returned to control.
It uses syslinux for the USB boot part, plus it modifies some
of the goods in the Windows 11 materials, for Windows-10-like behavior.
There is a separate dialog box, which only applies when you tell
Rufus (one way or another) that this is a Windows 11 project, that
will appear before the writes to the stick start.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/9Q0kMWTB/Rufus-Boot-Stick-Preparation.gif
Note that, if you are using a Window 11 24H2 ISO, there is a
remote possibility that Rufus will defeat the usual issues,
however, Microsoft has promised the OS will *crash* if the
hardware does not support SSE4.2 POPCNT instruction. I tries on
the Optiplex 780, the E8400 Core2 Duo lacks the instruction, and
a Microsoft dialog stops the install. I don't get to crash.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/X7Pw33gF/optiplex-780-Core2-Duo-W11-Fail.gif
Notice how in that example, I install W10Home first, then while
booted into Windows, I plug in the Rufus stick and run the Setup.exe
file on it. And do a W11-over-W10 installation. Which is a lot
smoother than what I'm about to show you.
If you made media from the 24H2 ISO, and had a perfectly compliant
machine, this is the hay ride you get to take. Starting over, ls likely
to be your fate. Imagine the length of the storyboard and how many
whiteboards it took to put together this customer torture sequence.
Notice on this side-by-side Clean Install of W11Home, my new C:
drive is Bitlocker encrypted. The key for it, will be stored
in my Cloud account at Microsoft, indexed by the new MSA I'm forced
to make.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/XX6BGN1D/W11-24-H2-DVD-Install.gif
*******
Finally, this is the Success Case. W11-over-W10 using Rufus stick Setup.exe .
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/T1FGRGJ7/Rufus-W11-Home-24-H2-on-10-year-old-machine.gif
Looks like Disk #33, normally used for Win10, now has a Win11 24H2 dual boot.
Since the processor has a POPCNT, no problem getting the install to work.
Paul
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 02:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlcrr2$nnbu$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16086 |
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 19:32:32 -0500, Paul wrote: >> Installing Windows 11? The installer won't allow you to continue without logging >> in to your account. Sure, there are workarounds if you pray five times a day and >> stand on your head doing so, but it doesn't allow it be default. > > [long-winded installation procedure deleted] Which is why they say, Windows is a great OS -- if your time is worth nothing.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 15:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlecv4.k78.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #16106 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 19:32:32 -0500, Paul wrote: > > >> Installing Windows 11? The installer won't allow you to continue > >> without logging in to your account. Sure, there are workarounds if > >> you pray five times a day and stand on your head doing so, but it > >> doesn't allow it be default. > > > > [long-winded installation procedure deleted] > > Which is why they say, Windows is a great OS -- if your time is worth nothing. <barf!> It's good that *you* don't use Windows, because you have no clue about what's (not) being talked about. Clue-by-four: Paul's procedure has *nothing* to do with the issue which Andrzej raised (circumventing the need for a Microsoft account to install Windows 11). But by all means, keep digging. One of these days you're bound to come up at the other end. But granted, the procedure (to circumvent the need for a MSA) is *very* complicated. In my case I needed to press the 'Airplane mode' button on my keyboard. Heaven knows how I managed to do that. Must have taken hours of my precious time.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-06 00:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlf7e8$197h8$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16129 |
On 5 Jan 2025 15:46:26 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 19:32:32 -0500, Paul wrote: >> >>>> Installing Windows 11? The installer won't allow you to continue >>>> without logging in to your account. Sure, there are workarounds if >>>> you pray five times a day and stand on your head doing so, but it >>>> doesn't allow it be default. >>> >>> [long-winded installation procedure deleted] >> >> Which is why they say, Windows is a great OS -- if your time is worth >> nothing. > > Paul's procedure has *nothing* to do with the issue > which Andrzej raised ... Hey, if you think what he posted makes Dimdows look bad, take it up with him, not with me.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-06 14:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlguh6.o64.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #16142 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: [Yet another falsification deleted.]
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 02:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlcrs1$nnc8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16086 |
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 19:32:32 -0500, Paul wrote: >> Installing Windows 11? The installer won't allow you to continue without logging >> in to your account. Sure, there are workarounds if you pray five times a day and >> stand on your head doing so, but it doesn't allow it be default. > > [long-winded installation procedure deleted] Which is why they say, Windows is a great OS -- if your time is worth nothing.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 02:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vla5i4$5soj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16001 |
Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: > On 2025-01-02 16:59, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:27 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >> >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:47:42 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >>>> >>>>> You still don't own it, but now it's purely semantics. >>>> >>>> “Semantics” means "meaning”. So “now it’s purely meaning”? >>> >>> Correct. With FLOSS you don't own the software, as it's still just a >>> license, but you can do with it more or less whatever you want. Meaning >>> in practice it is indistinguishable from ownership. >> >> So the distinction from actual ownership ... is that meaningful or not? > > I'm just going to say this again because it bears repeating: > > 1) I don't need to make an account to download software to Linux. > 2) I don't need to make an account to use the software I downloaded. > 3) I can install Linux without needing to log into an account I have or > create one. > > If privacy is a concern, those are interesting advantages. Even if you > don't care about privacy, you might be sick of logging in everywhere. That's not unique to linux. Even macOS does 1/2 and probably 3 with a little effort.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 02:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vla58p$5r8r$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15996 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:27 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:47:42 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >>> >>>> You still don't own it, but now it's purely semantics. >>> >>> “Semantics” means "meaning”. So “now it’s purely meaning”? >> >> Correct. With FLOSS you don't own the software, as it's still just a >> license, but you can do with it more or less whatever you want. Meaning >> in practice it is indistinguishable from ownership. > > So the distinction from actual ownership ... is that meaningful or not? In most cases, not.
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| From | bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-25 16:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <VzadnWq3ot5U6_H6nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #15495 |
On 12/19/24 20:03, CrudeSausage wrote: > Microsoft "By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.” I don't see rental or proprietary anything in the above.
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