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Killer price on a mini PC

Started by"Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com>
First post2026-09-15 21:48 -0400
Last post2026-09-18 18:25 -0700
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  Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 21:48 -0400
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-16 03:17 +0000
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 23:35 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 21:29 -0700
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:51 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:36 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 12:03 -0700
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 01:49 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 02:44 -0700
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 20:29 +1000
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:45 +0100
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 02:30 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:38 +1000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:43 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:47 +1000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:54 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 17:59 +0100
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:38 -0400
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:13 -0700
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:22 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 06:56 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 07:19 +0000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 01:54 -0700
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:24 -0400
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-16 12:36 +0100
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 10:11 -0400
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 12:20 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:58 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 13:26 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-18 00:49 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:10 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 20:01 +0000
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 16:23 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:42 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 18:09 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 23:02 +0000
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:08 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 00:33 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 21:20 +0100
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-18 16:05 -0500
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 17:09 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 17:19 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:47 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 23:13 +0100
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-19 19:56 +1000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:42 -0400
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-20 21:24 +1000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:18 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 04:51 -0400
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 19:18 +1000
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 13:13 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:33 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 18:46 -0400
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:52 +1000
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 20:02 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 21:21 +1000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-19 18:33 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-19 21:24 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 04:03 -0400
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 04:21 -0400
                            screen shape/orientation (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:31 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:45 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:57 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:39 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 15:04 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:29 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 22:47 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 20:36 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:14 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-20 11:26 -0500
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:32 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 06:16 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:41 +0000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:30 +0100
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:57 +1000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:01 -0400
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 17:19 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:02 -0500
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 19:23 -0400
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:30 +0000
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:12 +0200
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:47 +0100
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:29 +0200
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:26 +0000
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:36 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:44 +0000
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:29 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:34 +0100
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 08:28 -0400
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:49 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:40 +0200
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:43 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:38 +0200
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:11 +0000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 19:55 +0200
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-23 19:20 +0100
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 00:27 -0400
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:31 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 09:18 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:05 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:18 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:13 -0400
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-26 16:23 +0000
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 18:55 +0100
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:43 +1000
                                                    Gigaset M740AV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 20:25 +0200
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 13:43 +0000
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 20:39 +0200
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 06:51 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:24 +0100
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:11 +0200
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:18 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:41 +0200
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 11:57 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:48 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:25 +0000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:46 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 16:47 +0000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:28 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:33 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:03 +0000
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:42 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:34 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:36 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:14 +0100
                                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:39 +0100
                                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-26 17:14 -0500
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 22:16 -0400
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:24 +0100
                                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:37 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:42 +0100
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:32 +0100
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +1000
                                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:46 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:03 +0000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:16 +0000
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 07:19 +0000
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:37 +0100
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:38 +0100
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:32 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 00:10 +0000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 21:46 +0000
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 23:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 08:12 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:05 +0000
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-28 20:46 +1000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 12:03 +0100
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:37 +0000
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-26 19:14 -0400
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:10 +0000
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 02:20 -0400
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 07:50 +0100
                                          OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 18:59 +0100
                                            Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:52 +0000
                                              Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-23 02:29 -0400
                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:50 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:40 +0200
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:38 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 19:46 -0400
                                                Re: OT - TV Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:42 +0000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:04 -0400
                                            OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 06:45 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 04:10 -0400
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:39 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 13:17 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:23 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:44 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:39 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:11 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-26 11:47 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:08 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:58 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:30 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:10 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:02 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:03 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:26 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-28 15:45 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:30 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:46 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:25 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 16:40 +0100
                                                                                    OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 16:58 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:57 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:00 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) André Coutanche <acoutanche@gmx.co.uk> - 2026-09-29 21:50 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:33 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 22:48 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:07 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - Lehrer John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 15:51 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 21:02 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:22 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:01 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 10:57 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 08:10 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:39 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-30 00:46 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:39 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:25 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:34 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:31 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 14:47 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:58 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:36 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:12 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:35 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 16:14 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:35 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:53 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 19:03 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 21:50 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:25 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:13 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:51 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:55 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-30 14:15 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +1000
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:52 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:13 +1000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 11:56 -0400
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:28 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 15:28 -0400
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 10:19 +0200
                                                                      [OT] - audio distribution, Rediffusion-style (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:43 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 11:44 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:12 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 18:12 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:23 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:34 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:46 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-29 12:01 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:05 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:13 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Other John <nomail@here.org> - 2026-09-29 16:53 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:12 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:23 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:37 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:28 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:35 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:15 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:15 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:50 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:24 +0200
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-01 17:17 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:48 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 13:32 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:52 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:54 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:15 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:27 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:13 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:19 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 13:54 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:34 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:22 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:37 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:37 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:50 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 13:08 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:50 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 03:29 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:53 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:49 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:19 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:34 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:51 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:52 +0000
                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:12 +0200
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:06 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:50 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 01:31 +0000
                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:21 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:26 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:26 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:37 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 00:03 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:15 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:16 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:48 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:16 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:07 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:20 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:18 +0200
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:06 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:22 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:34 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:50 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:25 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:30 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 15:04 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:39 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:13 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-28 09:39 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 11:26 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:04 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:42 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 16:45 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:53 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 19:26 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:25 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 09:43 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:56 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 10:41 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:02 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 13:39 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:04 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 14:19 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:47 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 20:01 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:06 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:25 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 01:15 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 17:16 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:50 +0100
                                                                                                              [OT] - power (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 19:05 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 19:15 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] - power "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:00 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] - power c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:30 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:47 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] - power Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-30 13:28 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:24 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-29 14:58 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:04 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:52 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:01 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 20:18 +1000
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:54 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-27 16:46 +0000
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-29 21:15 +1000
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 03:52 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:41 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:58 +1000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:56 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-24 22:24 +1000
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:07 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 12:53 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:09 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 18:56 +0000
                                                Re: OT - TV Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-25 22:03 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 22:42 +0000
                                                    Re: OT - TV Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-26 16:47 +0000
                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 20:07 +0200
                                                        Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 16:02 -0400
                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 03:50 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:16 +0200
                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 18:11 +0000
                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-29 21:29 +1000
                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 20:05 +0000
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 10:01 +0100
                                              OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 14:42 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:04 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 15:55 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:18 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:50 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:34 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:10 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:29 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 05:12 +0000
                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 21:30 +1000
                                                        Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:54 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:14 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:38 +0000
                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:06 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:16 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:30 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:24 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:35 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:02 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:09 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0200
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:46 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:22 +0200
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:00 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:49 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:46 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:55 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:50 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:35 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:19 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:22 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:20 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:57 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:22 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:43 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:21 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:19 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:25 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:12 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:09 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:49 +0200
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:02 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 22:18 +0200
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 07:07 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:33 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:59 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:02 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:28 +0200
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:28 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 21:03 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:27 +0000
                                                Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:04 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 16:28 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:51 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:20 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 18:26 +0000
                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:20 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 18:44 +0000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-22 16:05 +0000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 18:31 +0000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:45 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:41 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:09 +0100
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:14 -0400
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:10 +0000
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 21:55 -0400
                                                      OT - TV (now radio) (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 09:49 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:32 +0200
                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:30 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:36 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:55 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:10 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:09 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:45 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:16 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:58 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:05 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:07 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:28 -0400
                                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 01:07 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:41 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 22:27 -0400
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:10 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:39 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 19:36 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 18:27 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:27 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 13:38 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 15:15 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 17:52 +0000
                                                                                  [OT] = X-rays and medical costs (was: Re: OT - TV (now radio)) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 20:16 +0100
                                                                                    Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs (was: Re: OT - TV (now radio)) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 22:35 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:22 -0400
                                                                                        Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 06:58 +0100
                                                                                          Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 02:21 -0400
                                                                                            Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:33 +0100
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-10-02 13:47 +0100
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 15:17 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-10-02 16:07 +0100
                                                                                            Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 13:51 +0100
                                                                                          Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 17:34 +0000
                                                                                        Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 11:35 +0200
                                                                                    Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:28 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 21:55 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:28 -0400
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:04 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:39 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 22:03 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:33 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 07:08 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:55 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:31 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:08 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:41 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:40 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:34 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 21:46 -0400
                                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:50 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
                                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:37 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 22:10 +0200
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:45 -0400
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 11:41 +0200
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:08 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:06 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:33 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-27 16:23 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:34 +0200
                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:59 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:37 -0400
                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:27 +0200
                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:29 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-27 16:51 +0000
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:55 +0000
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-28 01:28 -0400
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 07:12 +0000
                                                            OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 17:19 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:26 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:18 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-23 17:28 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:21 +0100
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 18:26 +0000
                                                  OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 20:08 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 21:45 +1000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 20:05 +0000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:22 +0100
                                                    OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:43 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:43 +0100
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:25 +0000
                                              OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:57 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 21:13 +0200
                                                Re: OT - TV Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-24 17:47 -0500
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:53 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:51 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 08:22 +0000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:01 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:19 +0000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:32 +0000
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:50 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 18:40 +0000
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:10 +1000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:49 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:20 +0200
                                        OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:13 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:59 +0000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-22 02:20 -0400
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:16 +1000
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:52 +0100
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:35 +0000
                                          OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:51 +0100
                                            Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 08:16 +0000
                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 15:07 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:28 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:30 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:07 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-25 21:52 +0000
                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 22:15 +0000
                                                    Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:17 -0400
                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 10:11 +0100
                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:53 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:44 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:11 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:47 +0100
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:46 +0000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:13 +0100
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:22 +0000
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:23 -0400
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 10:17 +0100
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 21:36 -0400
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:27 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-27 03:59 -0400
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:08 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:39 +0000
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:40 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:28 +1000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:43 +0000
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:26 +0000
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 09:55 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:43 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-28 01:31 -0400
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 19:05 +0000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:50 +0000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 22:26 +1000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:56 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 23:35 +1000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-20 21:29 +1000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-20 16:56 +0000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-20 18:20 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-20 18:22 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-20 20:14 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 06:34 -0400
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:57 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 23:56 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:34 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:35 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:20 +0000
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:32 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:45 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:52 +0000
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-19 00:37 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:43 +0000
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:41 +0000
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-19 17:48 +0000
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 18:56 +0100
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 14:45 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:37 +0100
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-19 21:42 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 01:35 +0000
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-20 09:46 +0000
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 13:59 -0700
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 17:06 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 18:30 -0700
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 21:37 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 00:39 -0700
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 09:06 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 04:19 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 14:28 -0700
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:59 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 18:04 -0700
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-19 08:21 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 18:25 -0700

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#35388 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-30 11:48 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<119ipe0$4i1s$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35376
On 30/09/2026 10:23, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-09-29 14:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 29/09/2026 12:01, Max Demian wrote:
>>> On 28/09/2026 16:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 28/09/2026 14:03, Max Demian wrote:
>>>>> Yes, I suppose there could be a matching transformer, in the same 
>>>>> way that there were boxes you connected to the "extension speaker" 
>>>>> socket of the main (valve) radio so you could listen in the 
>>>>> kitchen. I had one which had a transformer and a wander plug 
>>>>> arrangement so you could match it. Some valve radios had a high 
>>>>> impedance output, so presumably both connections would be at (more 
>>>>> or less) HT voltage above the radio chassis (which would be earth 
>>>>> if the earth socket was connected). I think there were high 
>>>>> impedance horn extension speakers at one time.
>>>
>>>> Valve amps ALWAYS have an output transformer. Not least because 
>>>> there are no 'P channel ' valves.
>>>
>>> I think there were high impedance horn speakers, which wouldn't 
>>> require a transformer. And, of course, high impedance headphones if 
>>> you don't want a loudspeaker.
>>>
>>
>> Its NOT juts a matter of impedance - its a matter of DC bias. You 
>> cannot build a
>> valve amplifier that delivers true AC without an isolation 
>> transformer. Loudspeakers don't like DC bias
> 
> That's true also for transistors, and we don't normally use 
> transformers. We use capacitors.
> 
You don't need capacitors with transistors. Most hifi amplifiers do not 
use them but connect a true AC waveform with an average value of zero to 
the loudspeaker.
This is almost impossible to do with valves, and the complexity of doing 
it exceeds putting in a transformer



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#35396 — Re: OT - TV

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2026-09-30 07:37 -0400
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<119is9d$68cr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35376
On Wed, 9/30/2026 5:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-09-29 14:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 29/09/2026 12:01, Max Demian wrote:
>>> On 28/09/2026 16:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 28/09/2026 14:03, Max Demian wrote:
>>>>> Yes, I suppose there could be a matching transformer, in the same way that there were boxes you connected to the "extension speaker" socket of the main (valve) radio so you could listen in the kitchen. I had one which had a transformer and a wander plug arrangement so you could match it. Some valve radios had a high impedance output, so presumably both connections would be at (more or less) HT voltage above the radio chassis (which would be earth if the earth socket was connected). I think there were high impedance horn extension speakers at one time.
>>>
>>>> Valve amps ALWAYS have an output transformer. Not least because there are no 'P channel ' valves.
>>>
>>> I think there were high impedance horn speakers, which wouldn't require a transformer. And, of course, high impedance headphones if you don't want a loudspeaker.
>>>
>>
>> Its NOT juts a matter of impedance - its a matter of DC bias. You cannot build a
>> valve amplifier that delivers true AC without an isolation transformer. Loudspeakers don't like DC bias
> 
> That's true also for transistors, and we don't normally use transformers. We use capacitors.
> 

Example of a bridged amplifier for direct drive of a speaker.
This typically puts around 3mV of DC across the speaker cone.
I have one of these on the Test Machine, driving old bookshelf speakers.

  https://www.circuitbasics.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/TDA2003-Bridged-Amplifier-Schematic.png

The single ended version (driving speaker with respect to ground),
uses a 1000uF capacitor to block the DC.

  https://www.circuitbasics.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/TDA2003-Stereo-Amplifier-Schematic.png

The voltage you can run that at, is +18V, as it's an automotive amplifier
and expects to be run off a car battery. And 18V is about as much as you
can expect (exclusive of load-dumps).

   Paul

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#35407 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-30 14:28 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<119j2qg$8pgq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35396
On 30/09/2026 12:37, Paul wrote:
> On Wed, 9/30/2026 5:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2026-09-29 14:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 29/09/2026 12:01, Max Demian wrote:
>>>> On 28/09/2026 16:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 28/09/2026 14:03, Max Demian wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, I suppose there could be a matching transformer, in the same way that there were boxes you connected to the "extension speaker" socket of the main (valve) radio so you could listen in the kitchen. I had one which had a transformer and a wander plug arrangement so you could match it. Some valve radios had a high impedance output, so presumably both connections would be at (more or less) HT voltage above the radio chassis (which would be earth if the earth socket was connected). I think there were high impedance horn extension speakers at one time.
>>>>
>>>>> Valve amps ALWAYS have an output transformer. Not least because there are no 'P channel ' valves.
>>>>
>>>> I think there were high impedance horn speakers, which wouldn't require a transformer. And, of course, high impedance headphones if you don't want a loudspeaker.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Its NOT juts a matter of impedance - its a matter of DC bias. You cannot build a
>>> valve amplifier that delivers true AC without an isolation transformer. Loudspeakers don't like DC bias
>>
>> That's true also for transistors, and we don't normally use transformers. We use capacitors.
>>
> 
> Example of a bridged amplifier for direct drive of a speaker.
> This typically puts around 3mV of DC across the speaker cone.
> I have one of these on the Test Machine, driving old bookshelf speakers.
> 
>    https://www.circuitbasics.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/TDA2003-Bridged-Amplifier-Schematic.png
> 
> The single ended version (driving speaker with respect to ground),
> uses a 1000uF capacitor to block the DC.
> 
No one does that any more. excepty perhaps in automotive


You use +- power supplies and arrange for the output to oscillate about 
ground

E.g. a crap design but shows the principle

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10172980892245114&set=pcb.2723440958010794


This:
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/rca-1972-basic-amplifier-mods.145306/
is more what I was designing back in the 1970s

>    https://www.circuitbasics.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/TDA2003-Stereo-Amplifier-Schematic.png
> 
> The voltage you can run that at, is +18V, as it's an automotive amplifier
> and expects to be run off a car battery. And 18V is about as much as you
> can expect (exclusive of load-dumps).
> 
Automotive  is 13.8V rated and that/s it. The alternators wont go 
higher. Which is why you use bridged amps

>     Paul

-- 
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conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the 
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

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#35445 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-01 00:35 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<ni5h5uFjmjfU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#35407
On 2026-09-30 15:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 30/09/2026 12:37, Paul wrote:
>> On Wed, 9/30/2026 5:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:


> Automotive  is 13.8V rated and that/s it. The alternators wont go 
> higher. Which is why you use bridged amps

I have seen 15 volts.


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#35453 — Re: OT - TV

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-01 02:15 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<119kc7d$odhi$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35445
On 2026/9/30 23:35:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-09-30 15:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 30/09/2026 12:37, Paul wrote:
>>> On Wed, 9/30/2026 5:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
> 
>> Automotive  is 13.8V rated and that/s it. The alternators wont go 
>> higher. Which is why you use bridged amps
> 
> I have seen 15 volts.
> 
> 
The source (of the power) may not go very high, but all sorts of
transients get onto an automotive supply - I think it would be unwise
not to design such equipment to _withstand_ 50-100 volts on the supply
line, even if it only expects to _work_ on say 12-15. (fairly simple
protection - chokes and capacitors, possibly followed by beefy zeners -
should be sufficient.)
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Bother," said the Borg, "we assimilated a Pooh."

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#35463 — Re: OT - TV

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2026-10-01 00:15 -0400
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<119kmok$rdmk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35453
On Wed, 9/30/2026 9:15 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/9/30 23:35:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-09-30 15:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 30/09/2026 12:37, Paul wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 9/30/2026 5:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Automotive  is 13.8V rated and that/s it. The alternators wont go 
>>> higher. Which is why you use bridged amps
>>
>> I have seen 15 volts.
>>
>>
> The source (of the power) may not go very high, but all sorts of
> transients get onto an automotive supply - I think it would be unwise
> not to design such equipment to _withstand_ 50-100 volts on the supply
> line, even if it only expects to _work_ on say 12-15. (fairly simple
> protection - chokes and capacitors, possibly followed by beefy zeners -
> should be sufficient.)
> 

The TDA2003 has some internal strategy as well.
It was supposed to disconnect its VCC when the
input level on VCC was too high.

Since this amp kit isn't running off a car battery,
there is a slightly more benign supply situation.
That voltage setting isn't going anywhere.

   Paul

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#35504 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-01 12:50 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<119lhet$147lq$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35453
On 01/10/2026 02:15, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/9/30 23:35:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-09-30 15:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 30/09/2026 12:37, Paul wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 9/30/2026 5:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Automotive  is 13.8V rated and that/s it. The alternators wont go
>>> higher. Which is why you use bridged amps
>>
>> I have seen 15 volts.
>>
>>
> The source (of the power) may not go very high, but all sorts of
> transients get onto an automotive supply - I think it would be unwise
> not to design such equipment to _withstand_ 50-100 volts on the supply
> line, even if it only expects to _work_ on say 12-15. (fairly simple
> protection - chokes and capacitors, possibly followed by beefy zeners -
> should be sufficient.)

The battery acts as a power clamp. Spikes are not tolerable by the cars 
electronics systems anyway.

I don't know what is in a modern alternator, but I guess its pretty 
'clean'. No reason not to be, really




-- 
"Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social 
conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the 
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

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#35508 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-01 14:24 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<ni71omFpqe0U8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#35453
On 2026-10-01 03:15, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/9/30 23:35:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-09-30 15:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 30/09/2026 12:37, Paul wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 9/30/2026 5:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Automotive  is 13.8V rated and that/s it. The alternators wont go
>>> higher. Which is why you use bridged amps
>>
>> I have seen 15 volts.
>>
>>
> The source (of the power) may not go very high, but all sorts of
> transients get onto an automotive supply - I think it would be unwise
> not to design such equipment to _withstand_ 50-100 volts on the supply
> line, even if it only expects to _work_ on say 12-15. (fairly simple
> protection - chokes and capacitors, possibly followed by beefy zeners -
> should be sufficient.)

Long ago, I designed and installed a little gadget for my R5 to remind 
me to switch off the road lights if I stopped the motor. I used a 4000 
series chip with perhaps two NAND gates with the particularity that they 
could handle some power, that drove a tiny buzzer. Maybe I used 
capacitors, but no zenners. I took the power from the same wires used 
for reading signals with two diodes. I installed it in the back of the 
ash tray, which had a cigarette lighter thing with a light that went 
with the parking lights. So I had the two signals ready: lights and motor.

The thing survived working till I sold the car for scrap at the end of 
the official life.


On the next car, after the garage did the periodic maintenance, the 
battery was too low, so the girl applied the fast charger herself 
instead of calling a mechanic.

I learned later that the fast charger applies a high DC voltage. She did 
not disconnect the battery. The electronics in the car failed after two 
months, I had to replace the instrumentation in the dash board.
-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#35528 — Re: OT - TV

FromMax Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>
Date2026-10-01 17:17 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<119m12c$1bfnj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35508
On 01/10/2026 13:24, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> Long ago, I designed and installed a little gadget for my R5 to remind 
> me to switch off the road lights if I stopped the motor. I used a 4000 
> series chip with perhaps two NAND gates with the particularity that they 
> could handle some power, that drove a tiny buzzer. Maybe I used 
> capacitors, but no zenners. I took the power from the same wires used 
> for reading signals with two diodes. I installed it in the back of the 
> ash tray, which had a cigarette lighter thing with a light that went 
> with the parking lights. So I had the two signals ready: lights and motor.
For my Mk1 Escort I added a relay to control the lighting circuit 
energised by the ignition, so all the lights went off when I turned off 
the ignition. I also added a switch that just turned on the offside side 
and rear lights for parking, with a warning light under the dashboard.

I also added an immobilisation circuit (that shorted the points) that 
set itself automatically when the ignition was turned off. To disable 
it, I just had to turn on the ignition and press a button under the 
dashboard. No electronics, just a two way relay. This foiled several 
theft attempts.

-- 
Max Demian

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#35503 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-01 12:48 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<119lha9$147lq$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35445
On 30/09/2026 23:35, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-09-30 15:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 30/09/2026 12:37, Paul wrote:
>>> On Wed, 9/30/2026 5:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
> 
>> Automotive  is 13.8V rated and that/s it. The alternators wont go 
>> higher. Which is why you use bridged amps
> 
> I have seen 15 volts.
> 
> 
The absolute max is supposed to be 14,4

-- 
"Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social 
conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the 
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

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#35509 — Re: OT - TV

FromJohn Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>
Date2026-10-01 13:32 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<ni7271Fs13aU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#35445
On 30/09/2026 23:35, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-09-30 15:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 30/09/2026 12:37, Paul wrote:
>>> On Wed, 9/30/2026 5:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>
>> Automotive  is 13.8V rated and that/s it. The alternators wont go
>> higher. Which is why you use bridged amps
>
> I have seen 15 volts.
>
>
Both the alternators I currently have in use go to 14.5 volts, as did 
the dynamo on the Land Rover..

All amps for Auto use are rated for slightly more than the alternator 
voltage for safety, and for really high power, require very low speaker 
impedances. The one on my boat is rated for full power into a 1 ohm load.
-- 
Tciao for Now!

John.

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#35522 — Re: OT - TV

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2026-10-01 14:52 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<119m338.o7c.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to#35445
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2026-09-30 15:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> > On 30/09/2026 12:37, Paul wrote:
> >> On Wed, 9/30/2026 5:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
> 
> > Automotive  is 13.8V rated and that/s it. The alternators wont go 
> > higher. Which is why you use bridged amps
> 
> I have seen 15 volts.

  Yes, I see that as well, or values very close to 15V.

  The battery tester [1] I have, has a 'Good' range from 13.4-14.8V
(with the engine running, i.e. the alternator providing power).

[1] A simple one, plugged into the 'cigarette lighter' socket.

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#35317 — Re: OT - TV

FromJan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
Date2026-09-29 15:54 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<119gmur$3e4ln$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35304
>Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>wrote:
>>On 28/09/2026 16:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 28/09/2026 14:03, Max Demian wrote:
>>> Yes, I suppose there could be a matching transformer, in the same way 
>>> that there were boxes you connected to the "extension speaker" socket 
>>> of the main (valve) radio so you could listen in the kitchen. I had 
>>> one which had a transformer and a wander plug arrangement so you could 
>>> match it. Some valve radios had a high impedance output, so presumably 
>>> both connections would be at (more or less) HT voltage above the radio 
>>> chassis (which would be earth if the earth socket was connected). I 
>>> think there were high impedance horn extension speakers at one time.
>
>> Valve amps ALWAYS have an output transformer. Not least because there 
>> are no 'P channel ' valves.
>
>I think there were high impedance horn speakers, which wouldn't require 
>a transformer. And, of course, high impedance headphones if you don't 
>want a loudspeaker.

Yes some tube TVs had 800 Ohm speakers without transformers.

Example of a tube output stage without transformer to drive a 800 Ohm speaker:
 https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GaJkZ9klfLw/VOecHjVgPuI/AAAAAAAAA4g/H2qcMWJ3tuA/s1600/Schema.png

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#35320 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-29 17:15 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<119go7i$3cdrk$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35317
On 29/09/2026 16:54, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>wrote:
>>> On 28/09/2026 16:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 28/09/2026 14:03, Max Demian wrote:
>>>> Yes, I suppose there could be a matching transformer, in the same way
>>>> that there were boxes you connected to the "extension speaker" socket
>>>> of the main (valve) radio so you could listen in the kitchen. I had
>>>> one which had a transformer and a wander plug arrangement so you could
>>>> match it. Some valve radios had a high impedance output, so presumably
>>>> both connections would be at (more or less) HT voltage above the radio
>>>> chassis (which would be earth if the earth socket was connected). I
>>>> think there were high impedance horn extension speakers at one time.
>>
>>> Valve amps ALWAYS have an output transformer. Not least because there
>>> are no 'P channel ' valves.
>>
>> I think there were high impedance horn speakers, which wouldn't require
>> a transformer. And, of course, high impedance headphones if you don't
>> want a loudspeaker.
> 
> Yes some tube TVs had 800 Ohm speakers without transformers.
> 
> Example of a tube output stage without transformer to drive a 800 Ohm speaker:
>   https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GaJkZ9klfLw/VOecHjVgPuI/AAAAAAAAA4g/H2qcMWJ3tuA/s1600/Schema.png

STAGGERINGLY inefficient circuit, but yes, it works.

-- 
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to 
rule.
– H. L. Mencken, American journalist, 1880-1956

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#35377 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-09-30 11:27 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<j91vomxksl.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#35317
On 2026-09-29 17:54, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>wrote:
>>> On 28/09/2026 16:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 28/09/2026 14:03, Max Demian wrote:
>>>> Yes, I suppose there could be a matching transformer, in the same way
>>>> that there were boxes you connected to the "extension speaker" socket
>>>> of the main (valve) radio so you could listen in the kitchen. I had
>>>> one which had a transformer and a wander plug arrangement so you could
>>>> match it. Some valve radios had a high impedance output, so presumably
>>>> both connections would be at (more or less) HT voltage above the radio
>>>> chassis (which would be earth if the earth socket was connected). I
>>>> think there were high impedance horn extension speakers at one time.
>>
>>> Valve amps ALWAYS have an output transformer. Not least because there
>>> are no 'P channel ' valves.
>>
>> I think there were high impedance horn speakers, which wouldn't require
>> a transformer. And, of course, high impedance headphones if you don't
>> want a loudspeaker.
> 
> Yes some tube TVs had 800 Ohm speakers without transformers.
> 
> Example of a tube output stage without transformer to drive a 800 Ohm speaker:
>   https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GaJkZ9klfLw/VOecHjVgPuI/AAAAAAAAA4g/H2qcMWJ3tuA/s1600/Schema.png

I'm not familiar with valves EZ80 and 6CA4, I don't understand the 
drawings. :-?

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#35383 — Re: OT - TV

FromJohn Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>
Date2026-09-30 11:13 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<ni45lsFdufrU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#35377
On 30/09/2026 10:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-09-29 17:54, Jan Panteltje wrote:

>> Yes some tube TVs had 800 Ohm speakers without transformers.
>>
>> Example of a tube output stage without transformer to drive a 800 Ohm
>> speaker:
>>
>> https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GaJkZ9klfLw/VOecHjVgPuI/AAAAAAAAA4g/H2qcMWJ3tuA/s1600/Schema.png
>>
>
> I'm not familiar with valves EZ80 and 6CA4, I don't understand the
> drawings. :-?
>
The EZZ80 and BCA4 valves are full wave rectifiers in the power supply. 
(Equivalent to two diodes in each  valve, with a tapped transformer 
secondary. Back when semiconductors were expensive, I've done similar 
with a pair of germanium diodes, as it was cheaper than a bridge 
rectifier.)i

The relevant stage for this thread is the output stage, which is two 
EL504 pentodes being driven in a sort of push-pull configuration by the 
input triode. The EL504s each have an independent DC supply.

The circuit specifies an 800 ohm load, but I first expected to see a 
more standard 600 ohm load...

-- 
Tciao for Now!

John.

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#35385 — Re: OT - TV

FromJohn Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>
Date2026-09-30 11:19 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<ni461gFe04aU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#35383
On 30/09/2026 11:13, John Williamson wrote:
> On 30/09/2026 10:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2026-09-29 17:54, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>
>>> Yes some tube TVs had 800 Ohm speakers without transformers.
>>>
>>> Example of a tube output stage without transformer to drive a 800 Ohm
>>> speaker:
>>>
>>> https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GaJkZ9klfLw/VOecHjVgPuI/AAAAAAAAA4g/H2qcMWJ3tuA/s1600/Schema.png
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm not familiar with valves EZ80 and 6CA4, I don't understand the
>> drawings. :-?
>>
> The EZZ80 and BCA4 valves are full wave rectifiers in the power supply.
> (Equivalent to two diodes in each  valve, with a tapped transformer
> secondary. Back when semiconductors were expensive, I've done similar
> with a pair of germanium diodes, as it was cheaper than a bridge
> rectifier.)i
>
> The relevant stage for this thread is the output stage, which is two
> EL504 pentodes being driven in a sort of push-pull configuration by the
> input triode. The EL504s each have an independent DC supply.
>
> The circuit specifies an 800 ohm load, but I first expected to see a
> more standard 600 ohm load...
>
Sorry, my mistake, the EL504s use the bottom one being driven to conduct 
more which pulls the cathode voltage of the other down, making it a 
class A output stage.

<Note to self. Visit the optician>:-)

The other supply is for the input triode.

-- 
Tciao for Now!

John.

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#35391 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-30 11:57 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<119ipu1$4i1s$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35385
On 30/09/2026 11:19, John Williamson wrote:
> the EL504s use the bottom one being driven to conduct more which pulls 
> the cathode voltage of the other down, making it a class A output stage.

Yes, the use of the top one is something I hadn't seen before, but it 
certainly works.

Lot of heat for not much power, and You would get more out of e.g. a 
single EL34 with a transformer.

Or a pair.

Back in the day transformers were cheap. Today they are sadly not. The 
output transformer is probably at least half the component cost of a 
valve amplifier...


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#35401 — Re: OT - TV

FromJohn Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>
Date2026-09-30 13:54 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<ni4f4cFfdl0U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#35391
On 30/09/2026 11:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 30/09/2026 11:19, John Williamson wrote:
>> the EL504s use the bottom one being driven to conduct more which pulls
>> the cathode voltage of the other down, making it a class A output stage.
>
> Yes, the use of the top one is something I hadn't seen before, but it
> certainly works.
>
> Lot of heat for not much power, and You would get more out of e.g. a
> single EL34 with a transformer.
>
Assuming the transformer could handle the bandwidth. The output from the 
circuit given would be flatter and less distorted, even across the audio 
bandwidth, assuming a resistive load.

As the designer saw fit to use smoothed DC for the heater of the input 
valve, avoiding noise and hum were obviously a priority.


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#35410 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-30 14:34 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<119j35i$8pgq$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#35401
On 30/09/2026 13:54, John Williamson wrote:
> On 30/09/2026 11:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 30/09/2026 11:19, John Williamson wrote:
>>> the EL504s use the bottom one being driven to conduct more which pulls
>>> the cathode voltage of the other down, making it a class A output stage.
>>
>> Yes, the use of the top one is something I hadn't seen before, but it
>> certainly works.
>>
>> Lot of heat for not much power, and You would get more out of e.g. a
>> single EL34 with a transformer.
>>
> Assuming the transformer could handle the bandwidth. The output from the 
> circuit given would be flatter and less distorted, even across the audio 
> bandwidth, assuming a resistive load.
> 
Not hard to do a 50-30Khz transformer .

> As the designer saw fit to use smoothed DC for the heater of the input 
> valve, avoiding noise and hum were obviously a priority.
> 
> 
Any mains powered amplifier hums a bit. And even ones that are not. 
mains hum fields are all pervasive


The best one I have has an SMPS power supply feeding a class D 
amplifier. Feels way too light for the power


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wrong.

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