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| Started by | James <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| First post | 2025-04-20 19:15 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-05-21 10:50 -0400 |
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ThunderMail is coming soon James <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-20 19:15 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-20 20:35 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-20 21:50 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 16:13 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> - 2025-04-20 21:42 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-20 15:46 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-21 08:52 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-21 17:36 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-22 05:58 -0400
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-22 07:43 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-22 23:42 +1000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-04-20 21:12 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-20 15:49 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-04-21 18:53 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-22 20:07 +1000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-22 07:49 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-22 13:58 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-22 15:32 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon David <BD@invalid.now> - 2025-05-03 14:50 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-03 14:39 -0400
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-05-03 19:14 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-03 23:53 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 13:31 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-04 13:59 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-22 15:39 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 00:27 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-23 11:31 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 06:14 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-23 12:36 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 06:50 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 15:54 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-24 05:00 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-24 12:19 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-24 14:33 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-25 12:54 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-25 18:03 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-29 16:48 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-24 15:27 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-24 18:37 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Trump Lost The Tariff War <Trump@US.Gov> - 2025-04-24 17:30 +0000
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-24 21:48 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-23 09:45 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-23 09:45 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-20 15:47 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-21 03:45 -0700
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-22 21:14 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 00:54 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-21 13:00 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Roberto <dash@dominus.net> - 2025-04-21 19:26 +0200
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> - 2025-04-23 00:15 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon NZ Rules OK <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-23 00:49 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-04-22 18:36 -0700
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-24 05:07 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> - 2025-04-25 00:26 +0100
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-25 05:44 -0700
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-16 06:26 -0500
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 02:18 +0800
Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> - 2025-05-21 10:50 -0400
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| From | "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-24 21:48 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vue4in$29jtt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #183927 |
Trump...something,something,something, > On 24/04/2025 17:37, R.Wieser wrote: > >> You *still* have no clue what you are talking about. > > For god's sake leave him alone. Why ? > He is not a resident of Europe and so all he can do is to > make up things as he goes along "all he can do" ? Bullshit. Just like I can look for and find (and post a link to) the relevant information, so can he. And all that it took me was about 5 minutes. Also, he's been getting the same "thats bullshit, bro" signal from several people. It has been his own choice to refuse to double-check his presumed facts, and instead just try to steam-roll on. > and hopefully something will hit the mark. And in the mean time some poor sods will believe his crap and spread it further (and likely get laughed at) ? Yeah, thats a grand idea. Not. > None of you have any clues as to what the topic was about in > the subject matter. You mean that advertisement for yet another email provider ? One we can really trust ? Because they say so ? If you would have followed this thread you could have noticed that several people have picked up that "the subject matter" and have posted their doubts about it. But I take it you missed all of that... Kiddo, at least *try* to get your facts straight before you think about complaining about something. Being able to *that easily* point out how misguided(?) your claim is makes you look like a fool. Regards, Rudy Wieser
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| From | "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-23 09:45 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vua5qo$2i523$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #183886 |
Vanguard, > GDPR ruined DNS lookups by requiring redaction of registrants. Kiddo, if you don't know what you are talking about than why don't you just keep your mouth shut ? No, the GDPR doesn't *require* any form redaction. However, the *registrant* may now require that WHOIS replaces its *way-to-personal* data with something less personal (but it still must be valid!). https://blog.dnsimple.com/2019/04/gdpr-and-whois-privacy/ See "GDPR and Its Impact" > Trying to get contact info on a domain registrant to alert them to > a problem with their web site becomes much more difficult. If you can't find their contact info *than that is fully the registrants choice*. Also, you're a nice example of only considering your own inconveniencing, and being /absolutily blind/ to the "inconveniencing" (understatement here) of the registrants which have been contacted (snail-mail, email, physical) by spammers of all kinds and levels on their own home adresses. > Yeah, they want to provide a publicly accessible web site, but > the registrant wants to hide. Thanks GDPR ... not! Challenge : go find a gouverment-mandated publicly accessible storage of the personal contact data of, for example, the management of the big brick-and-mortar stores (in your neighbourhood or otherwise). Those stores are rather public too, right ? Bottom line, you flap your jaw quite a bit, but all that you are showing us is that you are a screamer, not knowing the first thing of what you complain about -- and rather obviously having no interrest in looking at something from more than one, your own, POV. In short kid, you're willfully stupid. And not to be rubbing your face in it (yeah, right :-) ), but why are *you*, in these very public newsgroups, hiding behind a made-up name (and a going-who-knows-where (if anywhere) email) ? Where is *your* personal data ? Regards, Rudy Wieser
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| From | "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-23 09:45 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vua5ss$2i6tf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #183886 |
Vanguard, > GDPR ruined DNS lookups by requiring redaction of registrants. Kiddo, if you don't know what you are talking about than why don't you just keep your mouth shut ? No, the GDPR doesn't *require* any form redaction. However, the *registrant* may now require that WHOIS replaces its *way-to-personal* data with something less personal (but it still must be valid!). https://blog.dnsimple.com/2019/04/gdpr-and-whois-privacy/ See "GDPR and Its Impact" > Trying to get contact info on a domain registrant to alert them to > a problem with their web site becomes much more difficult. If you can't find their contact info *than that is fully the registrants choice*. Also, you're a nice example of only considering your own inconveniencing, and being /absolutily blind/ to the "inconveniencing" (understatement here) of the registrants which have been contacted (snail-mail, email, physical) by spammers of all kinds and levels on their own home adresses. > Yeah, they want to provide a publicly accessible web site, but > the registrant wants to hide. Thanks GDPR ... not! Challenge : go find a gouverment-mandated publicly accessible storage of the personal contact data of, for example, the management of the big brick-and-mortar stores (in your neighbourhood or otherwise). Those stores are rather public too, right ? Bottom line, you flap your jaw quite a bit, but all that you are showing us is that you are a screamer, not knowing the first thing of what you complain about -- and rather obviously having no interrest in looking at something from more than one, your own, POV. In short kid, you're willfully stupid. And not to be rubbing your face in it (yeah, right :-) ), but why are *you*, in these very public newsgroups, hiding behind a made-up name (and a going-who-knows-where (if anywhere) email) ? Where is *your* personal data ? Regards, Rudy Wieser
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2025-04-20 15:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <37lwjru5o2uz.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #183835 |
James <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: > Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.bofh.team!paganini.bofh.team!not-for-mail > From: James <invalid@invalid.invalid> > Newsgroups: alt.comp.software.thunderbird,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11 > Subject: ThunderMail is coming soon > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 19:15:00 +0000 > Organization: To protect and to server > Message-ID: <vu3goq$34cae$1@paganini.bofh.team> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Injection-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 19:09:14 -0000 (UTC) > Injection-Info: paganini.bofh.team; logging-data="3289422"; posting-host="TFdN0WJfY5BEkq/alCpBtQ.user.paganini.bofh.team"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@bofh.team"; posting-account="9dIQLXBM7WM9KzA+yjdR4A"; > Content-Language: en > X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.3 > Lines: 15 > Xref: uni-berlin.de alt.comp.software.thunderbird:16682 alt.comp.os.windows-10:189355 alt.comp.os.windows-11:18717 > > At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, > eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience > similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new > Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using > your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com). > > there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s email service from > competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your > messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and > it’s not going to harvest and sell your data. > > You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!: > > <https://thundermail.com/> While it is free for now, I can't see how Mozilla could continue offering this as a free service when they lose the Google payout which is about 97% of their current revenue. Users have noted that Thundermail gets "stuck" (clients cannot see nor retrieve new e-mails) if many incoming e-mails show up at once. Users have to delete some e-mails (probably using a webmail client) before the service for their account gets unstuck. Currently you cannot just enlist in Thundermail. You have to send a request for a invite to their beta program. This is like how Gmail first had you request an invite to use that service. I don't know the rate of acceptance, so don't expect an immediate invite just because you requested enrollment into their beta test. https://blog.thunderbird.net/2025/04/thundermail-and-thunderbird-pro-services/ "So here is the plan: at the beginning, there will be paid subscription plans at a few different tiers. Once we have a sufficiently strong base of paying users to sustainably support our services, we plan to introduce a limited free tier to the public." Hmm, a limited free tier. They don't delineate just how the free tier will be crippled. Could be quota limits, like how many inbound e-mails are allowed per day, how many you can send per day, and how big the e-mails (received and sent) can be. And there's no free tier unless they get enough paying member to sustain the cost of their service. You might get into their beta test phase, but when it's no longer beta then you'll have to pay, or wait until they offer a free tier. Thunderbird Pro is a bundle of enhanced Thunderbird, and Mozilla's services (file sharing aka Send, calendar, scheduling), so it won't be free, either, or there will be a free tier with crippled services, but again when Mozilla has enough paying customers to sustain their services at a free tier.
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| From | "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-21 03:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vu57jn$21d40$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #183835 |
James wrote: > At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, > eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience > similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new > Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using > your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com). > > there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s email service from > competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your > messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and > it’s not going to harvest and sell your data. > > You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!: > > <https://thundermail.com/> "Thundermail is a web-based email service built on the open-source Stalwart stack. It offers @thundermail.com or @tb.pro email addresses and allows the use of custom domains for advanced users. Thundermail is designed to never use your data for ads or AI training, nor sell your information" Only things I use IMAP email for are Amazon and Craigslist. Otherwise, I prefer my email to be downloaded onto my system (POP) so that I can read it when I'm offline. As for those two last claims, I'm with Ed Cryer on that. -- John C. I filter out all crossposts and garbage from trolls. Take back Microsoft from India.
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| From | Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-22 21:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <42jg0kloupdn7e9trkju8u6pfs9ucu6hra@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #183847 |
On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 03:45:09 -0700, "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote: >Only things I use IMAP email for are Amazon and Craigslist. Otherwise, I >prefer my email to be downloaded onto my system (POP) so that I can read >it when I'm offline. I've been using IMAP for decades and two things are true: - my email is downloaded to my PCs and my phone - my email is still available when I'm offline
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2025-04-23 00:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <i8fli4fp3osb$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #183905 |
Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote: > "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Only things I use IMAP email for are Amazon and Craigslist. >> Otherwise, I prefer my email to be downloaded onto my system (POP) >> so that I can read it when I'm offline. > > I've been using IMAP for decades and two things are true: > - my email is downloaded to my PCs and my phone > - my email is still available when I'm offline Some e-mail clients will allow, or default to, locally caching an IMAP store. That allows offline viewing of received messages. For Tbird, local caching is tied to the "Synchronization and Storage" settings. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/imap-synchronization See the pic on the per-account "Synchronization and Storage" settings. Even if you configure to retrieve headers only when Tbird polls the account, anytime you click on a message then Tbird connects to the server to retrieve the body of the message, and it gets locally cached. However, if both Tbird and the IMAP server use IMAP PUSH, then the server pushes a new message to Tbird, and it is cached locally. <account> -> Server settings -> Advanced -> Use IDLE command if server supports it When an IMAP client connects to an IMAP server, the server responds with a keyword string. If "IMAP IDLE" is in the keyword string, the IMAP server supports IMAP PUSH (PUSH requires IDLE). If you do not want to have new e-mails immediately pushed into your IMAP client, like you don't want them locally cached because you configured to retrieve headers only, then disable the "Allow immediate server notifications when new messages arrive" setting, "Use IDLE", or whatever it is called now. Just remember that you still get the headers for new messages, and clicking on them gets them retrieved and locally cached. IMAP supports PUSH/IDLE to immediately retrieve messages newly arrived at the server in your account. It can still use polling at fixed intervals. POP only does polling, so you wait until the next mail poll to get new messages, or you keep hitting some refresh/poll key or button in the client trying to get new messages while not waiting as long.
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| From | Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-21 13:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.427043d98aac52cd989696@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #183835 |
In article <vu3goq$34cae$1@paganini.bofh.team>, invalid@invalid.invalid says... > >At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, >eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience >similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new >Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using >your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com). > >there�s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla�s email service from >competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn�t going to use your >messages to train AI, it�s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and >it�s not going to harvest and sell your data. > >You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!: > ><https://thundermail.com/> Any info on what sort of spam filtering they might offer? (Dealbreaker for me...) -- -- Phil, London
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| From | Roberto <dash@dominus.net> |
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| Date | 2025-04-21 19:26 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vu5v3k$2mm5l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #183835 |
It happens that James formulated : > At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, > eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience > similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new > Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using > your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com). > > there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s > email service from competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t > going to use your messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your > inbox with ads, and it’s not going to harvest and sell your data. > > You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!: > > <https://thundermail.com/> GMail appeared for the first time around 2005, ~20 years ago. As of today there're thousands of thousands of mail service providers all around the globe and of all sizes, ages, skin colors, with ketchup or without, etc. To whom is behind the idea of having an additional mail service provider on the market I would ask: What is the need to have an additional one? What will Thundermail offer that other mail providers currently don't? I'm sure this effort is not done because of users' data. Isn't that? Eudora?, where are you? -- Roberto (Dash)
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| From | Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-23 00:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <m6qm8tFjn35U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #183835 |
On 20/04/2025 20:15, James wrote: > You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!: > > <https://thundermail.com/> Maybe I'll sign up when they announce BetterMail ;-) -- Rob "I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care, or, indeed, why it should be necessary to prove it at all." - Avon, Blake's 7
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| From | NZ Rules OK <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-23 00:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vu9a5i$3ndsh$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #183900 |
On 23/04/2025 00:15, Robert wrote: > On 20/04/2025 20:15, James wrote: > >> You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!: >> >> <https://thundermail.com/> > > Maybe I'll sign up when they announce BetterMail ;-) > It's already released :) <https://www.bettermail.com/>
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| From | Nobody <jock@soccer.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-22 18:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vu9g6v$1rj11$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #183903 |
On 2025-04-22 4:49 p.m., NZ Rules OK wrote: > On 23/04/2025 00:15, Robert wrote: >> On 20/04/2025 20:15, James wrote: >> >>> You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!: >>> >>> <https://thundermail.com/> >> >> Maybe I'll sign up when they announce BetterMail ;-) >> > > It's already released :) > > <https://www.bettermail.com/> > Auē! Aotearoa tuatahi. Kia ora.
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2025-04-24 05:07 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <28rmw718pg2i.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #183903 |
NZ Rules OK <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: > Robert wrote: > >> James wrote: >> >>> You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!: >>> <https://thundermail.com/> >> >> Maybe I'll sign up when they announce BetterMail ;-) > > It's already released :) > <https://www.bettermail.com/> Not free, but then neither will be Thundermail. https://www.bettermail.com/pricing/ "Send email to thousands within minutes". They're oriented to customers that want to do bulk mailing, like spammers, and marketfolk. BetterMail and Betterbird are not affiliated to each other.
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| From | Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-25 00:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <m6vvljFer3dU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #183920 |
On 24/04/2025 11:07, VanguardLH wrote: > "Send email to thousands within minutes". They're oriented to customers > that want to do bulk mailing, like spammers, and marketfolk. > > BetterMail and Betterbird are not affiliated to each other. Ah, probably a good thing, then. -- Rob "I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care, or, indeed, why it should be necessary to prove it at all." - Avon, Blake's 7
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| From | "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-25 05:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vug047$3vs2a$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #183920 |
VanguardLH wrote: > NZ Rules OK wrote: >> Robert wrote: >>> James wrote: >>>> >>>> You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!: >>>> <https://thundermail.com/> >>> >>> Maybe I'll sign up when they announce BetterMail ;-) >> >> It's already released :) >> <https://www.bettermail.com/> > > Not free, but then neither will be Thundermail. > > https://www.bettermail.com/pricing/ > > "Send email to thousands within minutes". They're oriented to customers > that want to do bulk mailing, like spammers, and marketfolk. > > BetterMail and Betterbird are not affiliated to each other. "Send email to thousands within minutes BetterMail is a NZ based email service provider with the easiest way to create, send, share and track marketing emails. With bulk sending, a drag and drop editor, feature rich plans and NZ based support you can't go wrong." Sounds to me like Bettermail is service designed for spammers. Am I wrong? -- John C. I filter out all crossposts and garbage from trolls. Take back Microsoft from India.
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2025-05-16 06:26 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1q9f68l63tb8y$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #183835 |
James <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: > At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, > eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience > similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new > Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using > your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com). > ... > You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!: > <https://thundermail.com/> Anyone yet get an invite? I sent my request the day this thread started. No response yet.
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-21 02:18 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <100ih1s$2c2eh$2@toylet.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #183835 |
On 21/4/2025 3:15 am, James wrote: > > there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s email service from > competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your > messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and > it’s not going to harvest and sell your data. Sooner or later a betrayal of trust will happen suddenly... :)
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| From | Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-21 10:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <100kp8h$2skmm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #184512 |
On 5/20/2025 2:18 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: > On 21/4/2025 3:15 am, James wrote: >> >> there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s email service from >> competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your >> messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and >> it’s not going to harvest and sell your data. > > Sooner or later a betrayal of trust will happen suddenly... :) > I can't comment on the privacy issue, but with respect to ads, when I use my gmail account on a win10 machine via firefox 138, using both the Privacy Badger and the uBlock origin add-ons, I have a gmail inbox entirely free of any ads whatever. Same pertains to yahoo mail.
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