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  Tutorial:  How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-04-13 23:42 +0000
    Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-13 19:02 -0500
      Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-04-14 00:18 +0000
        Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-13 19:40 -0500
          Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-13 23:49 -0400
          Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-04-14 10:13 +0000
            Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> - 2025-04-14 14:54 +0000
              Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-04-14 17:23 +0100
                Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-14 18:45 -0500
                Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-15 01:54 -0400
                Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 15:31 +0000
              Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-15 16:20 +0000
                Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 16:49 +0000
                  Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-15 10:30 -0700
                  Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-16 18:49 +0000
                    Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 13:16 -0700
              Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-04-15 17:11 +0000
    Re: Tutorial:  How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-14 14:06 +1200
      Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-13 21:18 -0500
    Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-14 07:20 +0200
      Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-04-14 18:30 +0000
        Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-04-14 20:17 +0000
        Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-15 10:18 +1200
    Re: Tutorial:  How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-14 06:24 +0000
      Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-04-14 10:09 +0000
        Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-14 12:23 +0000
        Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-14 12:19 -0700
          Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-04-14 20:17 +0000
            Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-14 14:59 -0700
            Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-14 22:10 +0000
              Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality david <this@is.invalid> - 2025-04-14 16:17 -0600
              Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-14 15:24 -0700
                Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-14 18:39 -0500
    Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> - 2025-04-14 11:46 +0100

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#183623 — Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality

This requires NO additional software to be installed on anything. All of this
functionality is native to Windows, Linux and Unix (iOS/iPadOS).

First, to avoid ANY confusion.  This method does all of the copying to/from
Windows on the iOS device. Which makes sense. Windows is the server.  iOS is
the client. Not to mention that when I want a file on my phone that is
currently only on my PC, it makes no sense to go to the PC and send it to the
phone. Why not just get it on the phone directly? My Windows PC is not with me
wherever I am in the house. That's what networks are for.

Also, when you are at work and need a file from the company servers, you don't
go to the server and push the file down to your PC. You connect to the server
and get the file, from your PC. Which is exactly what we will do here. 

Anyways. Find your Windows IP address. There are many ways to do that, surely
you don't need directions for that.

On Windows, share the C (or whatever) drive. Right click the drive, Give
Access To, Advanced Sharing, Sharing Tab, Advanced Sharing again. Click Share
This Folder. Make sure you give full control under the Permissions on that
screen, if you want to be able to create/edit/delete files on Windows from
your iPhone/iPad.  If all you want to do is copy files from Windows to iOS
(one direction only), then the default Read Permission is fine.  You can also
set the maximum number of simultaneous users here. 

You also need an account with a password on Windows. You should already have
this anyway. This does NOT have to be Microsoft account. A local account is
fine. Name can be Files and password can be anything you want.

The above only needs to be done once. If you are already networking multiple
Windows/Macs/whatever (as I do here) then all of this is already done. Also
the above instructions are for Windows 10 Pro. Windows Home I THINK is
slightly different. It still works, but I have not used any Windows Home
versions for many years. 

On any iPhone/iPad with at least iOS 13, connect to your local wifi. The same
one that your Windows PC is on. Open the Files app. Click on the 3 dots in the
circle at the top. One of the options is Connect To Server. Tap that. Enter
the IP address of the Windows PC. Connect as Registered User. Enter your login
name and password.

Now you will see the Windows C (or whatever) drive on your iPhone/iPad.
Navigate to whatever folder you want. Tap a file and hold, the menu will pop
up. Choose Copy. Then tap On My iPad on the left for an iPad. For an iPhone,
return to the main Browse screen and tap On My iPhone. That will you take you
to your "users" folder on the iPhone/iPad. Here you can create folders for
stuff that you download from the internet or from your local network. Tap and
hold, tap Paste.

Done and done. Easy, nothing to install. Copying from iOS to Windows is just
as easy. Copy from On My iPhone/iPad and paste to whatever folder on the
Windows drive. 

Now that the server part is setup on Windows, all you need to do is Connect To
Server anytime you want to move files. On ANY iOS device that is on the same
network as the Windows PC in question.

Note that this is all standard SMB networking stuff.  SMB networking is how
Windows/Linux/Unix share files/folders with each other on a network. You share
the (drive/folder/whatever) on one and connect to that share on as many others
as needed. Offices using Windows use this exact same method for users to
connect to company Windows file servers. 

Also note that you can share any folder(s) individually, instead of sharing
the entire drive.  You could share only your Windows User folder, for example.
 Or you could share a different data drive. I have 4 drives shared here: C, D,
E and F.  I have MANY years of photos, PDFs, music and video files, etc. You
are in complete control of this.

But for me, sharing the entire drive is just easier. Because you don't have to
worry about saving/moving things on Windows to a "special folder" to make them
available on the network. Besides, you have to login via the Files app (or on
another Windows box, etc.) to see anything. So there is security.   

The only issue you might see is that your IP address of the Windows box might
change after some number of days.  Some wifi routers change IP addresses at
what seems to be random times.  Mine here do not (Netgear). IP addresses are
based on the MAC addresses of each device.  But there are easy ways to fix
that issue. 

I do this all the time using iOS 17.7.2 and 18.4. I also have an iPhone 8 Plus
with 16.7.10.  Works fine there too.  I have also tested Windows 7, 8.1, 11
and Server 2012 R2.  All work fine, because they all use the same SMB
networking method. I have been doing this for around 4 (5?) years, which was
when I first learned of this. I was playing with the Files app and stumbled
upon the "Connect To Server" option. 

Before that I was emailing things to myself. That of course works, but there
are file size limits to email attachments.  Using the SMB method here, you can
copy entire folders back and forth. Only limitation is the amount of storage
you have on Windows and iOS.

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#183624 — Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality

Tyrone wrote:
> This requires NO additional software to be installed on anything. All of this
> functionality is native to Windows, Linux and Unix (iOS/iPadOS).
> 
> First, to avoid ANY confusion.  This method does all of the copying to/from
> Windows on the iOS device. Which makes sense. Windows is the server.  iOS is
> the client. Not to mention that when I want a file on my phone that is
> currently only on my PC, it makes no sense to go to the PC and send it to the
> phone. Why not just get it on the phone directly? My Windows PC is not with me
> wherever I am in the house. That's what networks are for.
> 
> Also, when you are at work and need a file from the company servers, you don't
> go to the server and push the file down to your PC. You connect to the server
> and get the file, from your PC. Which is exactly what we will do here.
> 
> Anyways. Find your Windows IP address. There are many ways to do that, surely
> you don't need directions for that.
> 
> On Windows, share the C (or whatever) drive. Right click the drive, Give
> Access To, Advanced Sharing, Sharing Tab, Advanced Sharing again. Click Share
> This Folder. Make sure you give full control under the Permissions on that
> screen, if you want to be able to create/edit/delete files on Windows from
> your iPhone/iPad.  If all you want to do is copy files from Windows to iOS
> (one direction only), then the default Read Permission is fine.  You can also
> set the maximum number of simultaneous users here.
> 
> You also need an account with a password on Windows. You should already have
> this anyway. This does NOT have to be Microsoft account. A local account is
> fine. Name can be Files and password can be anything you want.
> 
> The above only needs to be done once. If you are already networking multiple
> Windows/Macs/whatever (as I do here) then all of this is already done. Also
> the above instructions are for Windows 10 Pro. Windows Home I THINK is
> slightly different. It still works, but I have not used any Windows Home
> versions for many years.
> 
> On any iPhone/iPad with at least iOS 13, connect to your local wifi. The same
> one that your Windows PC is on. Open the Files app. Click on the 3 dots in the
> circle at the top. One of the options is Connect To Server. Tap that. Enter
> the IP address of the Windows PC. Connect as Registered User. Enter your login
> name and password.
> 
> Now you will see the Windows C (or whatever) drive on your iPhone/iPad.
> Navigate to whatever folder you want. Tap a file and hold, the menu will pop
> up. Choose Copy. Then tap On My iPad on the left for an iPad. For an iPhone,
> return to the main Browse screen and tap On My iPhone. That will you take you
> to your "users" folder on the iPhone/iPad. Here you can create folders for
> stuff that you download from the internet or from your local network. Tap and
> hold, tap Paste.
> 
> Done and done. Easy, nothing to install. Copying from iOS to Windows is just
> as easy. Copy from On My iPhone/iPad and paste to whatever folder on the
> Windows drive.
> 
> Now that the server part is setup on Windows, all you need to do is Connect To
> Server anytime you want to move files. On ANY iOS device that is on the same
> network as the Windows PC in question.
> 
> Note that this is all standard SMB networking stuff.  SMB networking is how
> Windows/Linux/Unix share files/folders with each other on a network. You share
> the (drive/folder/whatever) on one and connect to that share on as many others
> as needed. Offices using Windows use this exact same method for users to
> connect to company Windows file servers.
> 
> Also note that you can share any folder(s) individually, instead of sharing
> the entire drive.  You could share only your Windows User folder, for example.
>   Or you could share a different data drive. I have 4 drives shared here: C, D,
> E and F.  I have MANY years of photos, PDFs, music and video files, etc. You
> are in complete control of this.
> 
> But for me, sharing the entire drive is just easier. Because you don't have to
> worry about saving/moving things on Windows to a "special folder" to make them
> available on the network. Besides, you have to login via the Files app (or on
> another Windows box, etc.) to see anything. So there is security.
> 
> The only issue you might see is that your IP address of the Windows box might
> change after some number of days.  Some wifi routers change IP addresses at
> what seems to be random times.  Mine here do not (Netgear). IP addresses are
> based on the MAC addresses of each device.  But there are easy ways to fix
> that issue.
> 
> I do this all the time using iOS 17.7.2 and 18.4. I also have an iPhone 8 Plus
> with 16.7.10.  Works fine there too.  I have also tested Windows 7, 8.1, 11
> and Server 2012 R2.  All work fine, because they all use the same SMB
> networking method. I have been doing this for around 4 (5?) years, which was
> when I first learned of this. I was playing with the Files app and stumbled
> upon the "Connect To Server" option.
> 
> Before that I was emailing things to myself. That of course works, but there
> are file size limits to email attachments.  Using the SMB method here, you can
> copy entire folders back and forth. Only limitation is the amount of storage
> you have on Windows and iOS.
> 

And you have to repeat all this shit every time DHCP issues a different 
IP address to your windows computer.

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#183625 — Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:.
>> 
> 
> And you have to repeat all this shit every time DHCP issues a different 
> IP address to your windows computer.
> 
> 
> 


That seldom happens, but you can always reserve that IP address for your PC
in your home router. 

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#183626 — Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality

badgolferman wrote:
> Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:.
>>>
>>
>> And you have to repeat all this shit every time DHCP issues a different
>> IP address to your windows computer.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> That seldom happens, but you can always reserve that IP address for your PC
> in your home router.
> 

It's only seldom if you have only 1 or two devices and never reboot them.

It happens fairly often if you have several devices connecting at 
different times.

Yes, you can switch to using static IPs, but it's also a hassle, and 
other disadvantages.

I have a network drive which always has the same IP and it is a good 
solution, but doesn't work with apple's "files" app. Files sets the 
drive as read only. It's been this way for a long time, so I doubt apple 
will ever fix it. I found another app which DOES work, but there's no 
way to get the native files crapp to write anything to the drive.

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#183632 — Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality

On Sun, 4/13/2025 8:40 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
> badgolferman wrote:
>> Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And you have to repeat all this shit every time DHCP issues a different
>>> IP address to your windows computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> That seldom happens, but you can always reserve that IP address for your PC
>> in your home router.
>>
> 
> It's only seldom if you have only 1 or two devices and never reboot them.
> 
> It happens fairly often if you have several devices connecting at different times.
> 
> Yes, you can switch to using static IPs, but it's also a hassle, and other disadvantages.
> 
> I have a network drive which always has the same IP and it is a good solution, but doesn't work with apple's "files" app. Files sets the drive as read only. It's been this way for a long time, so I doubt apple will ever fix it. I found another app which DOES work, but there's no way to get the native files crapp to write anything to the drive.
> 

Why are you using IPs again ?

On Linux/Win I can use the name of my computer, which is Wallace.

   smb://wallace/shared

I'm not forced to use

   smb://192.168.1.3/shared

There was a time, some years ago, when the nameserver situation
wasn't working quite as well, and using IPs was less work, than
testing names.

And most likely, the Apple device uses SMB2 or SMB3, rather than
the SMBV1 of WinXP era. This means there is a potential for your
Apple device, to not be able to reach an older NAS. On Windows 10/11,
there is an option to switch SMBV1 back on. And that's how
a person would deal with an older NAS they wanted to continue
using (between Windows and the NAS).

   Paul

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#183637 — Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality

Hank Rogers wrote:

>badgolferman wrote:
>>Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:.
>>>>
>>>
>>>And you have to repeat all this shit every time DHCP issues a
>>>different IP address to your windows computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>That seldom happens, but you can always reserve that IP address for
>>your PC in your home router.
>>
>
>It's only seldom if you have only 1 or two devices and never reboot
>them.
>
>It happens fairly often if you have several devices connecting at
>different times.
>
>Yes, you can switch to using static IPs, but it's also a hassle, and
>other disadvantages.
>
>I have a network drive which always has the same IP and it is a good
>solution, but doesn't work with apple's "files" app. Files sets the
>drive as read only. It's been this way for a long time, so I doubt
>apple will ever fix it. I found another app which DOES work, but
>there's no way to get the native files crapp to write anything to the
>drive.

Files app sets the network drive as read-only?  Is this network drive
external to the Apple device... or are you saying Files app sets the
Apple device as read-only and you can't write to your phone?

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#183644 — Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hank Rogers wrote:
> 
>> badgolferman wrote:
>>> Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> And you have to repeat all this shit every time DHCP issues a
>>>> different IP address to your windows computer.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> That seldom happens, but you can always reserve that IP address for
>>> your PC in your home router.
>>> 
>> 
>> It's only seldom if you have only 1 or two devices and never reboot
>> them.
>> 
>> It happens fairly often if you have several devices connecting at
>> different times.
>> 
>> Yes, you can switch to using static IPs, but it's also a hassle, and
>> other disadvantages.
>> 
>> I have a network drive which always has the same IP and it is a good
>> solution, but doesn't work with apple's "files" app. Files sets the
>> drive as read only. It's been this way for a long time, so I doubt
>> apple will ever fix it. I found another app which DOES work, but
>> there's no way to get the native files crapp to write anything to the
>> drive.
> 
> Files app sets the network drive as read-only?  
Yes.  Many people have reported this and for several versions of
ios/ipados.

Is this network drive
> external to the Apple device... or are you saying Files app sets the
> Apple device as read-only and you can't write to your phone?
> 
The drive is a samsung 500 gb hard disk attached to a netgear  routers’s
USB port.  It works perfectly with several windows machines on my network
but not with iPhones or ipads

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#183647 — Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality

Hank Rogers wrote:
[snip]
>>
> The drive is a samsung 500 gb hard disk attached to a netgear  router’s
> USB port.  It works perfectly with several windows machines on my network
> but not with iPhones or iPads.

I've seen very variable performance when connecting a disk to a router's 
USB port - any router, not necessarily Netgear.  Sometimes they don't 
work at all, other times they might be read-only.  I suspect the 
router's implementation of the necessary protocols is inadequate.

Please can you try a real NAS connected to your network.


-- 
Graham J

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#183674 — Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality

Graham J wrote:
> Hank Rogers wrote:
> [snip]
>>>
>> The drive is a samsung 500 gb hard disk attached to a netgear  router’s
>> USB port.  It works perfectly with several windows machines on my network
>> but not with iPhones or iPads.
> 
> I've seen very variable performance when connecting a disk to a router's 
> USB port - any router, not necessarily Netgear.  Sometimes they don't 
> work at all, other times they might be read-only.  I suspect the 
> router's implementation of the necessary protocols is inadequate.
> 
> Please can you try a real NAS connected to your network.
> 
> 

No,  I don't have one, unless you're willing to donate.

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#183679 — Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality

On Mon, 4/14/2025 12:23 PM, Graham J wrote:
> Hank Rogers wrote:
> [snip]
>>>
>> The drive is a samsung 500 gb hard disk attached to a netgear  router’s
>> USB port.  It works perfectly with several windows machines on my network
>> but not with iPhones or iPads.
> 
> I've seen very variable performance when connecting a disk to a router's USB port - any router, not necessarily Netgear.  Sometimes they don't work at all, other times they might be read-only.  I suspect the router's implementation of the necessary protocols is inadequate.
> 
> Please can you try a real NAS connected to your network.

It's well known, that the vast majority of NAS devices owned
by USENETters are SMBV1. There is a continuous stream of questions
about cranky NAS situations.

When we answer questions, we don't even bother asking any more.
In fact, I don't really have any evidence that NAS boxes use
anything OTHER than SMBV1 :-) W10/W11 have a logging feature,
which records what SMB standard was used for a connection, but
the scheme is not any more proactive than that. Only a successful
connection is logged and then you can examine what it says.

Wireshark can help you a tiny bit, with SMB interactions.
It has a dissector for SMB. But when I tried to use it,
on a connection that wasn't going to happen, the dissector
could not descend deeper than an error word with bit fields.
I was told, by looking up the bitfield myself, that my error
condition was "need more information", which is very very
specific about why my connection isn't happening. And
I "need a Sparkle Pony", but "Something Happened".

The first one here, is from my notes file, a connection between
two modern versions of windows. SMBV3 in use.

PS> Get-SmbConnection

ServerName        ShareName       UserName            Credential              Dialect         NumOpens
---------         --------        --------            ----------              -------         --------
CRUISE            IPC$            WALLACE\ringo       MSA\a@a.a               3.1.1           0

*******

I just set this one up.

PS> Get-SmbConnection

ServerName        ShareName       UserName            Credential              Dialect         NumOpens
----------        ---------       --------            ----------              -------         --------
WINXP             sharexp (e)     WALLACE\ringo       MicrosoftAccount\a@a.a  1.5             2

The connection to my WinXP VM is Dialect 1.5, so a slight variant of SMBV1 .

   Paul

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#183692 — Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality

Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
> Hank Rogers wrote:
> [snip]
> >>
> > The drive is a samsung 500 gb hard disk attached to a netgear  router?s
> > USB port.  It works perfectly with several windows machines on my network
> > but not with iPhones or iPads.
> 
> I've seen very variable performance when connecting a disk to a router's 
> USB port - any router, not necessarily Netgear.  Sometimes they don't 
> work at all, other times they might be read-only.  I suspect the 
> router's implementation of the necessary protocols is inadequate.
> 
> Please can you try a real NAS connected to your network.

  In the meantime he responded that he (Hank) can not, because he
doesn't have a real NAS, but IMO he doesn't have to try, because if it
works with his Windows system, but not with his router-connected disk,
the problem is in the router and is - as Paul mentioned - probably a SMB
version issue.

  Perhaps the iOS Files app or iOS itself can - temporarily - be
persuaded to use SMB 1.0 protocol?

  Another test: Make sure that SMB 1.0 is *not* enabled on his Windows
system [1] and let his Windows system try to access the router-connected
disk as a Network Share. If that also fails, it's very likely that the
router-connected disk is SMB1-only.

  Perhaps, as a final test, enabling/ticking 'SMB 1.0/CIFS Client' (only
Client, *not* Server) can prove it works with SMB 1.0.

[1] Control Panel -> Programs and Features -> Turn Windows features on
or off -> SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support -> make sure all four boxes
are unticked.

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#183695 — Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality

On 2025-04-14, Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:
> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Files app sets the network drive as read-only?  
>
> Yes.  Many people have reported this and for several versions of
> ios/ipados.

Many people couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag when it
comes to configuring file sharing and permissions - especially on
Windows. Makes you wonder what the overlap is...

Meanwhile, several people right here are telling you and showing
screenshots of it factually working just fine, but your little clique
desperately wants everyone to ignore them due to your very clear bias.

To anyone who knows better, you just come off looking foolish. We've
been transferring stuff between our computers and devices for ages
without issue, and here you are claiming what we do regularly is
supposedly impossible. 🤣

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#183699 — Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality

On 15 Apr 2025 16:20:22 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :


> To anyone who knows better, you just come off looking foolish. We've
> been transferring stuff between our computers and devices for ages
> without issue, and here you are claiming what we do regularly is
> supposedly impossible.

Heh heh heh ... ask Jolly Roger when is the last time (heh heh heh, the
first time) he transferred his files from iOS to Android without the net.

All this "transferring" that Jolly Roger claims, has never happened.

There's a reason Apple designed the iOS device as a dumb terminal.

Every second of every day of every moment of the iOS users' lives, they're
logged into Apple's Matrix Servers in Cupertino to "transfer" those files.
-- 
The dark dank subterranean complex called the "ecosystem" doesn't work the
moment you take away Cupertino's Matrix servers which they log into daily.

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#183703 — Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality

On 2025-04-15 09:49, Marion wrote:
> On 15 Apr 2025 16:20:22 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
> 
> 
>> To anyone who knows better, you just come off looking foolish. We've
>> been transferring stuff between our computers and devices for ages
>> without issue, and here you are claiming what we do regularly is
>> supposedly impossible.
> 
> Heh heh heh ... ask Jolly Roger when is the last time (heh heh heh, the
> first time) he transferred his files from iOS to Android without the net.
> 
> All this "transferring" that Jolly Roger claims, has never happened.

Yes... ...it really has happened.

> 
> There's a reason Apple designed the iOS device as a dumb terminal.

It's not.

> 
> Every second of every day of every moment of the iOS users' lives, they're
> logged into Apple's Matrix Servers in Cupertino to "transfer" those files.

Wrong.

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#183726 — Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality

On 2025-04-15, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
> On 15 Apr 2025 16:20:22 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
>
>> To anyone who knows better, you just come off looking foolish. We've
>> been transferring stuff between our computers and devices for ages
>> without issue, and here you are claiming what we do regularly is
>> supposedly impossible.
>
> Heh heh heh ... ask Jolly Roger when is the last time (heh heh heh, the
> first time) he transferred his files from iOS to Android without the net.

Notice how little Arlen desperately wants to move the goal post now that
he's been shown to be a complete fool. 😉

> All this "transferring" that Jolly Roger claims, has never happened.

I transfer shit all day every day between my devices and computers. The
fact that you can't says more about you than anyone else. 

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#183733 — Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality

On 2025-04-16 11:49, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2025-04-15, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
>> On 15 Apr 2025 16:20:22 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
>>
>>> To anyone who knows better, you just come off looking foolish. We've
>>> been transferring stuff between our computers and devices for ages
>>> without issue, and here you are claiming what we do regularly is
>>> supposedly impossible.
>>
>> Heh heh heh ... ask Jolly Roger when is the last time (heh heh heh, the
>> first time) he transferred his files from iOS to Android without the net.
> 
> Notice how little Arlen desperately wants to move the goal post now that
> he's been shown to be a complete fool. 😉

All the funnier because he started the thread and chose the subject.

;-)

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#183700 — Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality

On Apr 14, 2025 at 10:54:32 AM EDT, "Hank Rogers" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:

>> Files app sets the network drive as read-only?
> Yes.  Many people have reported this and for several versions of
> ios/ipados.

The Files app does not set the permissions on the Windows share.  Why would
you think that is even possible?  The Files app uses whatever persmissions are
set on the Windows share. 

When you share a drive/folder on Windows, the default permission is read only.
 That is why I specifically stated to give Full Control if you want to be able
to add/change/delete files on the Windows share. This is true regardless of
what is connecting to the Windows share. Linux, Unix, Windows, whatever.  All
can only do what is allowed on the Windows share, which is set by the Windows
Administrator.  Which, in this case, is you.

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#183627

On 2025-04-13 23:42:57 +0000, Tyrone said:

> This requires NO additional software to be installed on anything. All of this
> functionality is native to Windows, Linux and Unix (iOS/iPadOS).

Even easier, and requires no extra software and no network, although 
might require extra hardware: simply use an external USB drive of some 
sort (many people already have USB thumb drives laying around), 
formatted for Windows. For an older iPad or iPhone, you'll need a USB 
<-> Lightning adaptor or one of those USB thumb drives with both 
Lightning and USB plugs.

If you want to go really old skool, you could even use an external USB 
floppy disk drive.  :-)




> First, to avoid ANY confusion.  This method does all of the copying to/from
> Windows on the iOS device. Which makes sense. Windows is the server.  iOS is
> the client. Not to mention that when I want a file on my phone that is
> currently only on my PC, it makes no sense to go to the PC and send it to the
> phone. Why not just get it on the phone directly? My Windows PC is not with me
> wherever I am in the house. That's what networks are for.
> 
> Also, when you are at work and need a file from the company servers, you don't
> go to the server and push the file down to your PC. You connect to the server
> and get the file, from your PC. Which is exactly what we will do here.
> 
> Anyways. Find your Windows IP address. There are many ways to do that, surely
> you don't need directions for that.
> 
> On Windows, share the C (or whatever) drive. Right click the drive, Give
> Access To, Advanced Sharing, Sharing Tab, Advanced Sharing again. Click Share
> This Folder. Make sure you give full control under the Permissions on that
> screen, if you want to be able to create/edit/delete files on Windows from
> your iPhone/iPad.  If all you want to do is copy files from Windows to iOS
> (one direction only), then the default Read Permission is fine.  You can also
> set the maximum number of simultaneous users here.
> 
> You also need an account with a password on Windows. You should already have
> this anyway. This does NOT have to be Microsoft account. A local account is
> fine. Name can be Files and password can be anything you want.
> 
> The above only needs to be done once. If you are already networking multiple
> Windows/Macs/whatever (as I do here) then all of this is already done. Also
> the above instructions are for Windows 10 Pro. Windows Home I THINK is
> slightly different. It still works, but I have not used any Windows Home
> versions for many years.
> 
> On any iPhone/iPad with at least iOS 13, connect to your local wifi. The same
> one that your Windows PC is on. Open the Files app. Click on the 3 dots in the
> circle at the top. One of the options is Connect To Server. Tap that. Enter
> the IP address of the Windows PC. Connect as Registered User. Enter your login
> name and password.
> 
> Now you will see the Windows C (or whatever) drive on your iPhone/iPad.
> Navigate to whatever folder you want. Tap a file and hold, the menu will pop
> up. Choose Copy. Then tap On My iPad on the left for an iPad. For an iPhone,
> return to the main Browse screen and tap On My iPhone. That will you take you
> to your "users" folder on the iPhone/iPad. Here you can create folders for
> stuff that you download from the internet or from your local network. Tap and
> hold, tap Paste.
> 
> Done and done. Easy, nothing to install. Copying from iOS to Windows is just
> as easy. Copy from On My iPhone/iPad and paste to whatever folder on the
> Windows drive.
> 
> Now that the server part is setup on Windows, all you need to do is Connect To
> Server anytime you want to move files. On ANY iOS device that is on the same
> network as the Windows PC in question.
> 
> Note that this is all standard SMB networking stuff.  SMB networking is how
> Windows/Linux/Unix share files/folders with each other on a network. You share
> the (drive/folder/whatever) on one and connect to that share on as many others
> as needed. Offices using Windows use this exact same method for users to
> connect to company Windows file servers.
> 
> Also note that you can share any folder(s) individually, instead of sharing
> the entire drive.  You could share only your Windows User folder, for example.
>  Or you could share a different data drive. I have 4 drives shared here: C, D,
> E and F.  I have MANY years of photos, PDFs, music and video files, etc. You
> are in complete control of this.
> 
> But for me, sharing the entire drive is just easier. Because you don't have to
> worry about saving/moving things on Windows to a "special folder" to make them
> available on the network. Besides, you have to login via the Files app (or on
> another Windows box, etc.) to see anything. So there is security.
> 
> The only issue you might see is that your IP address of the Windows box might
> change after some number of days.  Some wifi routers change IP addresses at
> what seems to be random times.  Mine here do not (Netgear). IP addresses are
> based on the MAC addresses of each device.  But there are easy ways to fix
> that issue.
> 
> I do this all the time using iOS 17.7.2 and 18.4. I also have an iPhone 8 Plus
> with 16.7.10.  Works fine there too.  I have also tested Windows 7, 8.1, 11
> and Server 2012 R2.  All work fine, because they all use the same SMB
> networking method. I have been doing this for around 4 (5?) years, which was
> when I first learned of this. I was playing with the Files app and stumbled
> upon the "Connect To Server" option.
> 
> Before that I was emailing things to myself. That of course works, but there
> are file size limits to email attachments.  Using the SMB method here, you can
> copy entire folders back and forth. Only limitation is the amount of storage
> you have on Windows and iOS.

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#183628 — Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality

Your Name wrote:
> On 2025-04-13 23:42:57 +0000, Tyrone said:
> 
>> This requires NO additional software to be installed on anything. All 
>> of this
>> functionality is native to Windows, Linux and Unix (iOS/iPadOS).
> 
> Even easier, and requires no extra software and no network, although 
> might require extra hardware: simply use an external USB drive of some 
> sort (many people already have USB thumb drives laying around), 
> formatted for Windows. For an older iPad or iPhone, you'll need a USB 
> <-> Lightning adaptor or one of those USB thumb drives with both 
> Lightning and USB plugs.
> 
> If you want to go really old skool, you could even use an external USB 
> floppy disk drive.  :-)
> 

And for text files, you could go really, really old skool and just write 
the info on a piece of paper, then enter it on the destination machine.

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#183634 — Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows and iOS/iPadOS using built-in functionality

On 14.04.25 01:42, Tyrone wrote:
> This requires NO additional software to be installed on anything. All of this
> functionality is native to Windows, Linux and Unix (iOS/iPadOS).


Utter nonsense. Dysfunctional and ways too complicated.

iCloud exists and is the safest and most elegant way to transfer data
between iOS und Windows/Linux devices.

The next easiest way is to use the LAN. I use it quite often.

Less elegant: An external USB device (stick or HD) but most secure way
for this purpose.


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