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  Re: RCS messaging Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-02 23:44 +0000
    Re: RCS messaging "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-04-02 22:54 -0400
      Re: RCS messaging Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-03 06:13 +0000
    Re: RCS messaging micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-03 03:16 -0400
    Re: RCS messaging micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-03 06:11 -0400
      Re: RCS messaging micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-03 06:19 -0400
        Re: RCS messaging micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-03 06:49 -0400

#183198 — Re: RCS messaging

On 2 Apr 2025 19:17:58 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote :


>>> > 2. When I forward a message that I received via Verizon's email-to-
>>> > text feature, and it contains a photo, the photo is queued for
>>> > forwarding but the text is discarded.
>>> 
>>> No Verizon here, so can't replicate.
>> 
>> You do know that pretty much every carrier maintains a way to send an 
>> email to a particular phone number?(*)  It's not just Verizon. (I 
>> have Visible, but the email-to-phone thing is the same because 
>> Visible uses its corporate parent Verizon's network.) 
> 
>   As Andy indicated, in Europe (i.e. for Carlos, Andy and me) - and
> probably most of the rest of the non-US world - these e-mail-to-SMS/MMS
> and vice versa gateways are a thing of the past. These days, people just
> use modern IM (Instant Messaging) platforms (if they only know a
> recipient's phonenumber, but not hir e-mail address).
> 
>   Also MMS is a thing of the past and SMS is mostly a thing of the past
> (except for *receiving* SMS messages (for 2SV and other purposes)).

I'm in the USA and while there are essentially only 3 major carriers, all
of whom have an SMS-to-Email gateway, I agree with Frank that it's almost
unused here (as far as I can tell from my own personal experience).

As for RCS, I haven't experienced anyone in the USA who communicates with
me having anything to do with it - but I'm using PulseSMS as my default
SMS/MMS app, and it doesn't have RCS so I probably wouldn't even know it.

My only issue is when I receive a video from iPhone users, I have to switch
those iPhone users to WhatsApp (which most of them have) to be non blurry.

I suspect (hope?) that when RCS/encryption arrives, things will improve.
-- 
It's always Apple owners who can't ever interoperate with anyone else.

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#183201

On 4/2/25 07:44 PM, Marion wrote:
> On 2 Apr 2025 19:17:58 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote :
> 
> 
>>>>> 2. When I forward a message that I received via Verizon's email-to-
>>>>> text feature, and it contains a photo, the photo is queued for
>>>>> forwarding but the text is discarded.
>>>>
>>>> No Verizon here, so can't replicate.
>>>
>>> You do know that pretty much every carrier maintains a way to send an
>>> email to a particular phone number?(*)  It's not just Verizon. (I
>>> have Visible, but the email-to-phone thing is the same because
>>> Visible uses its corporate parent Verizon's network.)
>>
>>    As Andy indicated, in Europe (i.e. for Carlos, Andy and me) - and
>> probably most of the rest of the non-US world - these e-mail-to-SMS/MMS
>> and vice versa gateways are a thing of the past. These days, people just
>> use modern IM (Instant Messaging) platforms (if they only know a
>> recipient's phonenumber, but not hir e-mail address).
>>
>>    Also MMS is a thing of the past and SMS is mostly a thing of the past
>> (except for *receiving* SMS messages (for 2SV and other purposes)).
> 
> I'm in the USA and while there are essentially only 3 major carriers, all
> of whom have an SMS-to-Email gateway, I agree with Frank that it's almost
> unused here (as far as I can tell from my own personal experience).
> 
> As for RCS, I haven't experienced anyone in the USA who communicates with
> me having anything to do with it - but I'm using PulseSMS as my default
> SMS/MMS app, and it doesn't have RCS so I probably wouldn't even know it.
> 
> My only issue is when I receive a video from iPhone users, I have to switch
> those iPhone users to WhatsApp (which most of them have) to be non blurry.
> 
> I suspect (hope?) that when RCS/encryption arrives, things will improve.
The google messaging app uses RCS.
https://postimg.cc/RNKTNHNG

-- 
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Thunderbird 128.8.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 136.0.4
     Alan K.

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#183205

On Wed, 2 Apr 2025 22:54:42 -0400, Alan K. wrote :


>> I suspect (hope?) that when RCS/encryption arrives, things will improve.
> The google messaging app uses RCS.
> https://postimg.cc/RNKTNHNG

Yeah. I know. Thanks. It's sad that Google has taken over RCS/Jibe.

The problem for me is that Google apps are in the dirty dozen list.
 *The dirty dozen Google apps which must be 1:1 replaced to have any privacy*
 <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=57831&group=comp.mobile.android#57831>

Since I don't use any Google apps on my unrootable Samsung Galaxy, I don't
know if Google Messages *creates* a Google Account on the Android phone.

But certainly *some* of the dirty-dozen Google apps *create* that account.
(Paradoxically, Google Voice & GMail are safer on iOS than they are on
Android, which is why I use them both - but only on my iOS devices.)

Never do I use a Google app that *creates* a Google Account on Android.
(Does anyone know if the Google Messages app *creates* that account?)

A while ago I tested every free SMS/MMS messaging app on Android, and I
settled for PulseSMS (where I'm currently on the last known good version).
 <https://tinyurl.com/pulsesms>

The Klinker Brothers PulseSMS (before Maple Media bought them) does more
than any other SMS/MMS messenger on Android could ever hope to do.
 <https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/>
Note that PulseSMS capabilities put Apple's Messages app to utter shame.

Things have changed only recently with Apple finally deciding to work in
the real world (i.e., RCS & MLS) which will change the way we do things.

Normally, Apple products fall flat in the real word (they're not even
tested in the real world, e.g., Linux isn't supported by Apple).

But I do agree that RCS is a "good thing" (as is "MLS"), where, as far as
I'm aware, only Samsung Messages & Google Messages currently has RCS.
 <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.messaging>
 <https://galaxystore.samsung.com/prepost/000005857133?amp=&appId=com.samsung.android.messaging>

However, complicating the situation is the apparently fact that Samsung has
moved to using Google messages as its default messaging app. This means
that the RCS that is being used on Samsung devices is likely Google RCS.
 <https://support.google.com/messages/answer/10324785?hl=en>

I'm hoping someone else will come up with RCS without using Google's APIs.
But that perhaps will never happen as Google gets all the traction. Sigh.
 <https://us.community.samsung.com/t5/Galaxy-S-Phones/RCS-for-Samsung-Messages/td-p/3024239>

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#183207

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 2 Apr 2025 23:44:19 -0000 (UTC),
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

>On 2 Apr 2025 19:17:58 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote :
>
>
>>>> > 2. When I forward a message that I received via Verizon's email-to-
>>>> > text feature, and it contains a photo, the photo is queued for
>>>> > forwarding but the text is discarded.
>>>> 
>>>> No Verizon here, so can't replicate.
>>> 
>>> You do know that pretty much every carrier maintains a way to send an 
>>> email to a particular phone number?(*)  It's not just Verizon. (I 
>>> have Visible, but the email-to-phone thing is the same because 
>>> Visible uses its corporate parent Verizon's network.) 
>> 
>>   As Andy indicated, in Europe (i.e. for Carlos, Andy and me) - and
>> probably most of the rest of the non-US world - these e-mail-to-SMS/MMS
>> and vice versa gateways are a thing of the past. These days, people just
>> use modern IM (Instant Messaging) platforms (if they only know a
>> recipient's phonenumber, but not hir e-mail address).
>> 
>>   Also MMS is a thing of the past and SMS is mostly a thing of the past
>> (except for *receiving* SMS messages (for 2SV and other purposes)).
>
>I'm in the USA and while there are essentially only 3 major carriers, all
>of whom have an SMS-to-Email gateway, I agree with Frank that it's almost
>unused here (as far as I can tell from my own personal experience).

I don't want to have to turn on my phone to send a text, so for the one
or two people I write to often, I've found the email address of their
phones, and I use email from the PC and they get a text.

Then when they reply to me with a text, I get an email.  It's very
convenient. 

>As for RCS, I haven't experienced anyone in the USA who communicates with

They changed texting on my phone to RCS.  I use mintmobile on a Xiaomi
phone.  Not sure who made the change.   If the other party is also using
RCS, I think it would show on my phone whether or not they'd read my
text.  That would be good to know.  AFAIK prior to RCS no one provided
that info. 

>me having anything to do with it - but I'm using PulseSMS as my default
>SMS/MMS app, and it doesn't have RCS so I probably wouldn't even know it.
>
>My only issue is when I receive a video from iPhone users, I have to switch
>those iPhone users to WhatsApp (which most of them have) to be non blurry.
>
>I suspect (hope?) that when RCS/encryption arrives, things will improve.

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#183210

I replied to this in the win10 ng, where it appears, but for some reason
it has yet to show up in the android ng.  The first copy may appear some
day. 

In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 2 Apr 2025 23:44:19 -0000 (UTC), Marion
<marion@facts.com> wrote:

>I'm in the USA and while there are essentially only 3 major carriers, all
>of whom have an SMS-to-Email gateway, I agree with Frank that it's almost
>unused here (as far as I can tell from my own personal experience).

I don't want to have to turn on my phone to send a text, so for the one
or two people I write to often, I've found the email address of their
phones, and I use email from the PC and they get a text.

Then when they reply to me with a text, I get an email.  It's very
convenient. 

>As for RCS, I haven't experienced anyone in the USA who communicates with

They changed texting on my phone to RCS.  I use mintmobile on a Xiaomi
phone.  Not sure who made the change.   If the other party is also using
RCS, I think it would show on my phone whether or not they'd read my
text.  That would be good to know.  AFAIK prior to RCS no one provided
that info. 

>me having anything to do with it - but I'm using PulseSMS as my default
>SMS/MMS app, and it doesn't have RCS so I probably wouldn't even know it.
>
>My only issue is when I receive a video from iPhone users, I have to switch
>those iPhone users to WhatsApp (which most of them have) to be non blurry.
>
>I suspect (hope?) that when RCS/encryption arrives, things will improve.

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#183211

In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 03 Apr 2025 06:11:30 -0400, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>
>>I'm in the USA and while there are essentially only 3 major carriers, all
>>of whom have an SMS-to-Email gateway, I agree with Frank that it's almost
>>unused here (as far as I can tell from my own personal experience).
>
>I don't want to have to turn on my phone to send a text, so for the one
>or two people I write to often, I've found the email address of their
>phones, and I use email from the PC and they get a text.
>
>Then when they reply to me with a text, I get an email.  It's very
>convenient. 

This only covers USA companies, but i read here that email to text is
not common elswwhere.  

what is cellular provider for this number
https://www.ipqualityscore.com/free-carrier-lookup
https://www.hlrlookup.com/
And probably, but I havenet tried it
https://freecarrierlookup.com/

The first one is the best, because it only needs the phone number and it
provides the carrier number and the email domain for emailing to the
phone: 
  Which cellular provider is connected to this cell phone number?
https://www.ipqualityscore.com/free-carrier-lookup
This one answers that question.  It's free and gives a lot of  other
information including the email address if you want to send a text from
your email program.   For some reason they call it the SMS Domain Format
I save these in my address book like regular email addresses.  For the
one for David, my "nickname" is DavidT. 

I have a friend and when I text her this way, and she answers me, I get
an email, not a text.    It's great.   Never have to turn on the phone. 

And it's great if you need to send a message now to people who are out
all day and only read their email when they get home.  And for people
who no longer read their email at all.   I gather the number of these is
increasing.    It's ironic that there used to be only two ways to reach
someone, mail and a fixed-location phone (and Western Union and a
personal messenger, but I'm not counting those), and now that there are
so many other ways, it's harder to get some people than it was before.
:-D

https://freecarrierlookup.com/
 This one gives a lot less information except it gives two email
addresses.  SMS and MMS

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#183212

In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 03 Apr 2025 06:19:40 -0400, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>
>This only covers USA companies, but i read here that email to text is
>not common elswwhere.  
>
>what is cellular provider for this number
>https://www.ipqualityscore.com/free-carrier-lookup

I haven't checked the ones I snipped but I was wrong about this one.  It
has a very long list of countries, and the one non-western-hemisphere
country for which I have a cell phone number, it found one number, said
how the provider was and said the domain for emailing was N/A.   For the
other number, which a friend had temporarily, it said it was not a valid
number. 

I'd try the UK etc. if I had any cell numbers to use.  Maybe others will
try. 

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