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Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors

Started byMarion <marion@facts.com>
First post2025-01-31 17:48 +0000
Last post2025-02-02 22:54 +0000
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  Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-31 17:48 +0000
    Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-31 19:09 +0000
      Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-01-31 19:26 +0000
        Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-31 21:18 +0000
          Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-31 23:19 +0100
            The "label" command (Was: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows &) Android editors gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-01-31 22:24 +0000
            Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-31 22:25 +0000
              Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-01-31 22:38 +0000
              Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-31 23:39 +0100
                Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-01-31 22:48 +0000
                  Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Quincy the fifth <quincythefifth@telekom.net> - 2025-02-01 00:22 +0100
                Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-01 06:03 +0000
                  Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-02-01 10:15 +0000
                    Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-01 18:45 +0000
                      Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-01 18:51 +0000
                  Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-01 14:55 +0100
                    Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-01 19:16 +0000
                      Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-01 20:54 +0100
                        Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-02 03:21 +0000
                          Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-02 14:43 +0100
                            Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-03 00:01 +0000
                              Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-03 01:59 +0100
                                Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-03 03:06 +0000
                                Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-03 13:28 +0100
                                  What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-02-03 13:09 +0000
                                    Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-03 14:34 +0100
                                      Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-03 10:47 -0500
                                      Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-03 15:15 -0500
                                        Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-05 10:25 +0100
                                          Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-05 09:32 -0500
                                            Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-05 20:46 +0100
                                      Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-03 15:42 -0500
                                        Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 22:40 +0000
                                          Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-07 21:45 +0100
                                      Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-04 15:41 +0000
                                    Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-05 10:18 +0100
                                      Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 00:05 +0000
                                        Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-05 20:04 -0500
                                        Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-06 20:17 +0100
                                          Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 21:02 +0000
                                            Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-07 21:47 +0100
                                              Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-08 03:28 +0000
                                                Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-08 10:18 +0100
                                                  Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-08 23:35 +0000
                                                    Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-10 08:47 +0100
                                                      Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-10 10:55 +0000
                                                      Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-11 01:00 +0000
                                                        Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-13 19:59 +0100
                                                          Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-13 22:15 +0000
                                                            [OT] Storage technology "back then" (was Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? [...]) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-14 02:10 +0100
                                                            Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-18 11:56 +0100
                                                              Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-18 21:55 +0000
                                                                Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-21 09:12 +0100
                                                                  Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-21 23:35 +0000
                                                                    Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-25 18:27 +0100
                                                                      Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-25 18:25 +0000
                                                                        Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-26 08:53 +0100
                                                                          Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-26 13:10 +0100
                                                                          Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-26 15:02 +0000
                                                                      Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 20:28 +0000
                                                                        Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-26 08:54 +0100
                                                                      Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-26 08:49 +0100
                                                              Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-21 14:12 +0000
                        Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-02 04:16 +0000
                          Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-02 05:40 +0000
                            Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-02 06:05 +0000
                              Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-02 21:34 +0000
                                Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-03 00:01 +0000
                                  Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-03 09:42 +0000
                                    Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 20:54 +0000
                                      Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-08 04:22 +0000
                          Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-02 15:07 +0100
                            Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-02 23:42 +0000
                              Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-03 02:21 +0100
                                Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-03 03:05 +0000
                                Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-03 09:59 +0000
                            Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-03 03:01 +0000
                              Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-03 19:12 +0000
                              Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-05 10:30 +0100
                                Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-05 11:31 +0100
                                  Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-05 14:27 +0100
                                    Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-05 14:35 +0100
                                      Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-06 20:21 +0100
                                        Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 20:57 +0000
                                          Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-06 23:58 +0100
                                            Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-07 05:57 +0000
                                              Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-07 10:30 +0100
                                              Editing binary data with editors - or is there no difference of text and binary? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-07 10:57 +0100
                                                Re: Editing binary data with editors - or is there no difference of text and binary? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-07 11:44 +0100
                                                  Re: Editing binary data with editors - or is there no difference of text and binary? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-07 14:39 +0100
                                                    Re: Editing binary data with editors - or is there no difference of text and binary? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-07 19:39 +0100
                                                Re: Editing binary data with editors - or is there no difference of text and binary? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-08 03:26 +0000
                                    Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-05 18:12 +0100
                                Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-05 23:14 +0000
                                  Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-06 20:22 +0100
                                    Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 20:57 +0000
                                      Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-02-07 21:50 +0100
                                        Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-08 03:27 +0000
                    Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-02 03:21 +0000
                      Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-02 15:07 +0100
                  Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-02 03:20 +0000
              Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-01 05:40 +0000
    Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-01 16:34 +0100
      Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-02-01 16:29 +0000
        Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-01 18:10 +0000
          Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-02 15:44 +0100
            Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-03 10:40 +0000
              Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-03 15:14 +0100
                Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-04 10:01 +0000
                  Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-04 13:22 +0100
                    Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-04 19:51 +0000
                      Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-04 23:12 +0100
        Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-02 15:24 +0100
          Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-02 15:50 +0100
            Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-02 16:04 +0100
              [meta] posting mistake Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-02 16:26 +0100
              Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-02 16:29 +0000
                ext4 on Android (Was: blah, blah, blah...) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-02-02 16:37 +0000
                  Re: ext4 on Android (Was: blah, blah, blah...) Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-03 09:14 +0000
                ext4 on Android (Was: blah, blah, blah...) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-03 15:16 +0100
                  Re: ext4 on Android (Was: blah, blah, blah...) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-03 21:59 +0000
                  Re: ext4 on Android Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-04 10:23 +0000
                  Re: ext4 on Android (Was: blah, blah, blah...) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-04 22:48 +0000
                    Re: ext4 on Android (Was: blah, blah, blah...) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-25 23:16 +0100
                Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-03 21:57 +0000
              Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-03 19:00 +0000
                Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-03 22:01 +0000
                  Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-05 18:50 +0000
                    Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-05 14:26 -0500
                      Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 00:16 +0000
                        Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-06 20:50 +0000
                Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-03 19:58 -0500
                  Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-04 01:15 +0000
                    Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-04 00:24 -0500
                      Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-04 21:40 +0000
                        Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-02-04 22:11 +0000
                External media file systems (was Re: ...) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-05 02:24 +0100
                  Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-04 22:06 -0500
                    Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-05 04:41 +0000
                  Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-05 04:43 +0000
                    Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-05 02:10 -0500
                      Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-05 17:40 +0100
                        Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-05 18:50 +0000
                      Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 00:11 +0000
                        Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-05 20:59 -0500
                          Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 03:04 +0000
                            Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-05 22:48 -0500
                              Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 21:00 +0000
                                Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-06 16:20 -0500
                                  Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 22:42 +0000
                                    Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-07 00:44 -0500
                                      Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-07 06:00 +0000
                    Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-02-05 17:38 +0100
                      Re: External media file systems (was Re: ...) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-06 00:06 +0000
            Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-03 21:56 +0000
          A little bit of discussion between Janis and me (Was: Stupid    suggestion(s) for "portable" "memory" using Windows & Android "editors") gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-02-02 14:53 +0000
      Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-01 20:59 +0100
    Re: Clever helpful suggestion for portable memory using Windows & Android editors Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-02 22:54 +0000

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#181908

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-02-03 00:01 +0000
Message-ID<vnp10s$tt74$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#181888
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 14:43:10 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2025-02-02 04:21, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 20:54:19 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> 
>>> Also I *never* edit a file residing in flash storage.
>> 
>> Does your system not have an SSD?
> 
> Mmm. Certainly, but it is another kind, designed for intensive use.

You didn’t say which kind.

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#181911

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-02-03 01:59 +0100
Message-ID<r0h57lxcrc.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#181908
On 2025-02-03 01:01, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 14:43:10 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-02-02 04:21, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 20:54:19 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also I *never* edit a file residing in flash storage.
>>>
>>> Does your system not have an SSD?
>>
>> Mmm. Certainly, but it is another kind, designed for intensive use.
> 
> You didn’t say which kind.

I don't call an SSD a flash media.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#181916

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-02-03 03:06 +0000
Message-ID<vnpbrh$va40$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#181911
On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 01:59:39 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2025-02-03 01:01, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 14:43:10 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2025-02-02 04:21, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 20:54:19 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Also I *never* edit a file residing in flash storage.
>>>>
>>>> Does your system not have an SSD?
>>>
>>> Mmm. Certainly, but it is another kind, designed for intensive use.
>> 
>> You didn’t say which kind.
> 
> I don't call an SSD a flash media.

What would you call it, then?

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#181923

FromArno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Date2025-02-03 13:28 +0100
Message-ID<m0br40Ff8v9U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#181911
Carlos E.R., 2025-02-03 01:59:

> On 2025-02-03 01:01, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 14:43:10 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> On 2025-02-02 04:21, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 20:54:19 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Also I *never* edit a file residing in flash storage.
>>>>
>>>> Does your system not have an SSD?
>>>
>>> Mmm. Certainly, but it is another kind, designed for intensive use.
>>
>> You didn’t say which kind.
> 
> I don't call an SSD a flash media.

Why not? SSD *is* flash storage. Just because there is a controller
which takes care of wear leveling, the storage technology itself is not
different to that of SD cards.


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#181924 — What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors

Fromgazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
Date2025-02-03 13:09 +0000
SubjectWhat is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors
Message-ID<vnqf6t$3pvrg$1@news.xmission.com>
In reply to#181923
In article <m0br40Ff8v9U2@mid.individual.net>,
Arno Welzel  <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
...
>> I don't call an SSD a flash media.
>
>Why not? SSD *is* flash storage. Just because there is a controller
>which takes care of wear leveling, the storage technology itself is not
>different to that of SD cards.

Chill out, man.

People often use terminology in idiosyncratic ways.  That doesn't make them
wrong.  I understand Carlo's frame of reference, and I accept it.  You
should do likewise.

Just for one example:
In some circles, unless it is a 4 footed mammal, it is not an "animal".

I assume Carlo's use of terminology is similar.

-- 
   To be evangelical is to spend every waking moment hovering around
   two emotional states: fear and rage. Evangelicals are seriously the
   angriest and most vicious bunch of self-pitying, constantly-moaning
   whinybutts I've ever encountered.

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#181925 — Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-02-03 14:34 +0100
SubjectRe: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors
Message-ID<28t67lx9sl.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#181924
On 2025-02-03 14:09, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <m0br40Ff8v9U2@mid.individual.net>,
> Arno Welzel  <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
> ...
>>> I don't call an SSD a flash media.
>>
>> Why not? SSD *is* flash storage. Just because there is a controller
>> which takes care of wear leveling, the storage technology itself is not
>> different to that of SD cards.
> 
> Chill out, man.
> 
> People often use terminology in idiosyncratic ways.  That doesn't make them
> wrong.  I understand Carlo's frame of reference, and I accept it.  You
> should do likewise.
> 
> Just for one example:
> In some circles, unless it is a 4 footed mammal, it is not an "animal".
> 
> I assume Carlo's use of terminology is similar.
> 

This minute, I do not know how to name SSDs. I'm confused.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#181929 — Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors

Fromknuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com>
Date2025-02-03 10:47 -0500
SubjectRe: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors
Message-ID<vnqofe$1b83j$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#181925
On 02/03/2025 8:34 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-02-03 14:09, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>> In article <m0br40Ff8v9U2@mid.individual.net>,
>> Arno Welzel  <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>> ...
>>>> I don't call an SSD a flash media.
>>>
>>> Why not? SSD *is* flash storage. Just because there is a controller
>>> which takes care of wear leveling, the storage technology itself is not
>>> different to that of SD cards.
>>
>> Chill out, man.
>>
>> People often use terminology in idiosyncratic ways.  That doesn't make 
>> them
>> wrong.  I understand Carlo's frame of reference, and I accept it.  You
>> should do likewise.
>>
>> Just for one example:
>> In some circles, unless it is a 4 footed mammal, it is not an "animal".
>>
>> I assume Carlo's use of terminology is similar.
>>
> 
> This minute, I do not know how to name SSDs. I'm confused.
> 
> 
A rose is a rose, as long as it does the job you want what does it 
matter what it is called.   I have many useful devices called Thingamajig.

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#181933 — Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors

FromNewyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam>
Date2025-02-03 15:15 -0500
SubjectRe: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors
Message-ID<vnr83r$1ekmp$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#181925
On 2/3/2025 8:34 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> 
> This minute, I do not know how to name SSDs. I'm confused.
> 

   Lawrence just spends his days trying to one-up other people,
especially with tech trivia. Why do you let him?

    SSD is unambiguous. Like you, I
don't call it a flash drive. I don't call anything flash. There
are USB sticks, SSDs and SD cards. The type of data strorage
they use is not a practical concern. Those terms are specific
in terms of IDing the item.


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#181990 — Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors

FromArno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Date2025-02-05 10:25 +0100
SubjectRe: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors
Message-ID<m0gp4oFaa5cU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#181933
Newyana2, 2025-02-03 21:15:

> On 2/3/2025 8:34 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>>
>> This minute, I do not know how to name SSDs. I'm confused.
>>
> 
>    Lawrence just spends his days trying to one-up other people,
> especially with tech trivia. Why do you let him?
> 
>     SSD is unambiguous. Like you, I
> don't call it a flash drive. I don't call anything flash. There
> are USB sticks, SSDs and SD cards. The type of data strorage
> they use is not a practical concern. Those terms are specific
> in terms of IDing the item.

Well - it was not about not calling SSD "flash media". The origin of
this discussion was this sentence by Carlos:

"Also I *never* edit a file residing in flash storage."

And "flash storage" or "flash memory" is the name for a storage
technology. SSD is "flash storage" as well as USB sticks or SD cards,
because all these media use the same basic technology, just with
different detail implementations like wear leveling etc..

Also see: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory> and the sources
referred there.

Of course you can always decide to only call an SD card "flash media"
and anything else working with the same technology "SSD" and "USB stick"
depending on what you use exactly. But using technical terms this way
makes any discussion about technology quite difficoult - because then
you always need to know, that a person understands as "flash media". One
might see only SD cards as "flash media" while another one would call a
USB stick as "flash media".


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#182003 — Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors

FromNewyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam>
Date2025-02-05 09:32 -0500
SubjectRe: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors
Message-ID<vnvso4$2dugo$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#181990
On 2/5/2025 4:25 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:

> 
> Well - it was not about not calling SSD "flash media". The origin of
> this discussion was this sentence by Carlos:
> 
> "Also I *never* edit a file residing in flash storage."
> 

   And you didn't know he was talking about an external
stick or card? Lawrence was just trying to catch him in
  "I know and you don't. Ha ha!"

   It's getting to be ridiculous how many posts here are just
bickering that's kept going by compulsive arguers.

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#182013 — Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-02-05 20:46 +0100
SubjectRe: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors
Message-ID<0qrc7lxe51.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#182003
On 2025-02-05 15:32, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 2/5/2025 4:25 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> 
>>
>> Well - it was not about not calling SSD "flash media". The origin of
>> this discussion was this sentence by Carlos:
>>
>> "Also I *never* edit a file residing in flash storage."
>>
> 
>    And you didn't know he was talking about an external
> stick or card? Lawrence was just trying to catch him in
>   "I know and you don't. Ha ha!"

Yes, that's what I wanted to mean.


> 
>    It's getting to be ridiculous how many posts here are just
> bickering that's kept going by compulsive arguers.
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#181934 — Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-02-03 15:42 -0500
SubjectRe: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors
Message-ID<vnr9od$1f028$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#181925
On Mon, 2/3/2025 8:34 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-02-03 14:09, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>> In article <m0br40Ff8v9U2@mid.individual.net>,
>> Arno Welzel  <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>> ...
>>>> I don't call an SSD a flash media.
>>>
>>> Why not? SSD *is* flash storage. Just because there is a controller
>>> which takes care of wear leveling, the storage technology itself is not
>>> different to that of SD cards.
>>
>> Chill out, man.
>>
>> People often use terminology in idiosyncratic ways.  That doesn't make them
>> wrong.  I understand Carlo's frame of reference, and I accept it.  You
>> should do likewise.
>>
>> Just for one example:
>> In some circles, unless it is a 4 footed mammal, it is not an "animal".
>>
>> I assume Carlo's use of terminology is similar.
>>
> 
> This minute, I do not know how to name SSDs. I'm confused.
> 
> 

This could be a USB flash stick, a Solid State Drive (SSD). The SSD
uses Host Based Memory ("cheap" SSD), or the SSD can have its own
1GB DRAM chip to hold the virtual to physical mapping table. USB flash
sticks don't do that, and the interface speed on USB flash makes that
sort of idea impractical.

        PHY and protocol
        -------------------- controller ------- Toggle Flash TLC/QLC

This could be an SD or an eMMC chip.

        PHY and protocol
        -------------------- controller ------- Toggle Flash TLC/QLC

                             \________ same plastic package _______/

The controller ranges from an 8085, to a quad core ARM. The SSD
would have static and dynamic wear leveling, the USB stick, not.

The flash chip could be consumer grade, or the Enterprise flash
with the 6x write cycles that Micron makes.

Flash could last forever... if we could anneal it to repair
defects in the cells. But we're not there yet, and might never make
it there.

The toggle flash could be replaced with Optane, but that's discontinued
and has higher power dissipation.

A single flash die, can have vertical lines of storage bits, arranged
in up to 232 layers.

   https://www.mdpi.com/computers/computers-06-00027/article_deploy/html/images/computers-06-00027-g010-550.jpg

The die can be stacked, with thru substrate vias. Sixteen die inside
one IC package. This is why a USB flash stick can be 32GB in a single
die, and an SSD can use 1TB chips (two chips) to make a 2TB SSD drive.
In the larger flash chips, it's even possible there are multiple
toggle channels in the same package (the controller might have eight
channels, to get the bandwidth, and with the limited number of chips
in the SSD, the chip needs more channels to flesh out the controller).
Raising the speed of a toggle channel too high, would lead to
local heating problems. The dies being fastened together are paper
thin (maybe 500u), and for some of the tech we've got today, they actually
put a piece of dummy silicon up against the thin ones, for support.
While the advert says the devices can take 1000G shock, don't
push your luck :-) Things like this are only possible, because
the thermal coefficient of expansion (TCE) of all the layers, is the same.

   https://www.electronicspecifier.com/cms/images/TSV.jpg

Today, SSD drives are hardly ever full any more. The SSD in the other
machine, a Lexar NS100, it's likely a controller chip, and one stacked die flash,
and the PCB is much shorter than the 2.5" drive package. There is a lot
of air in there. And if you're thinking of opening one up, you can,
but some of them use thermal tape, and you'll rip the tape.

Bottom to top:  Controller, DRAM, Flash chip

   https://images.anandtech.com/galleries/2930/DSC_1058_575px.jpg

Secondary side:  Flash chip over top of other flash chip (clam shell),
                 two electrical loads per toggle channel.

   https://images.anandtech.com/galleries/2930/DSC_1059_575px.jpg

This one has some tapes. The tape that is doing something, is
over top of the controller. The controller with the ARM cores.

   https://images.anandtech.com/doci/12263/imgp0157.jpg

1TB drive on the left, 4TB drive on the right.

   https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16480/IMGP9045_575px.jpg

We were promised 16TB SSDs, but they were yanked before reaching retail.
Highest capacity controller chip currently is 100TB, but no device
has been built yet that uses all the addressing capability.
You couldn't afford to buy it, anyway. That's part of the reason
they don't make retail high capacity drives, pricing and market
uptake. 100TB drives continue to cost as much as a small car
(3.5" drive, modular internal construction, price never given in adverts).

   Paul

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#182053 — Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-02-06 22:40 +0000
SubjectRe: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors
Message-ID<vo3dp0$35e4t$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#181934
On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 15:42:50 -0500, Paul wrote:

> Flash could last forever... if we could anneal it to repair defects in
> the cells. But we're not there yet, and might never make it there.

Certainly the vendors of flash storage have no financial incentive to take 
us there.

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#182097 — Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors

FromArno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Date2025-02-07 21:45 +0100
SubjectRe: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors
Message-ID<m0n9o2Fc0mmU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#182053
Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-06 23:40:

> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 15:42:50 -0500, Paul wrote:
> 
>> Flash could last forever... if we could anneal it to repair defects in
>> the cells. But we're not there yet, and might never make it there.
> 
> Certainly the vendors of flash storage have no financial incentive to take 
> us there.

And I don't think there is need for that. In the last 20 years I had
only few cases where SD cards or SSDs stopped working properly. But I
never lost data, since this was always backup up or stored redundant on
multiple media or locations. So I don't have any use for flash storage
which lasts "forever".

I also never experienced any failure of internal flash storage in
smartphones or my smartwatch - and the smartwatch (Samsung Gear S3) is
now about 7 years in constant use and I use smartphones usually for at
least 5 years.

On the other hand: for an old "pocket" computer in my collection, a
Sharp PC-E500S [1] I got an FRAM module - this keep data "forever" (more
than 10 years of data retention time and 10^10 to 10^15 write cycles),
but this kind of storage is way too expensive for more than just a few
megabytes of memory.


[1]
<https://arnowelzel.de/en/projects/technology-museum/pocket-computers/sharp-pc-e500s>

-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#181960 — Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2025-02-04 15:41 +0000
SubjectRe: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors
Message-ID<vntfvq.das.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to#181925
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2025-02-03 14:09, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> > In article <m0br40Ff8v9U2@mid.individual.net>,
> > Arno Welzel  <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
> > ...
> >>> I don't call an SSD a flash media.
> >>
> >> Why not? SSD *is* flash storage. Just because there is a controller
> >> which takes care of wear leveling, the storage technology itself is not
> >> different to that of SD cards.
> > 
> > Chill out, man.
> > 
> > People often use terminology in idiosyncratic ways.  That doesn't make them
> > wrong.  I understand Carlo's frame of reference, and I accept it.  You
> > should do likewise.
> > 
> > Just for one example:
> > In some circles, unless it is a 4 footed mammal, it is not an "animal".
> > 
> > I assume Carlo's use of terminology is similar.
> > 
> 
> This minute, I do not know how to name SSDs. I'm confused.

  To avoid this kind of senseless non-discussions, I tend to call things
as they are normally called, not by their technology. AFAIC, using the
term "flash card"/"flash media" is outdated and ambiguous terminology.

  So SSD, (Micro)SD-card, USB memory-stick (not just USB stick, as there
are other type of USB sticks), etc.. If needed, add the capacity or/and
subtype (i.e. SD, SDHC, SDXC, SDUC). 'Problem' solved.

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#181989 — Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors

FromArno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Date2025-02-05 10:18 +0100
SubjectRe: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors
Message-ID<m0gon3Faa5cU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#181924
Kenny McCormack, 2025-02-03 14:09:

> In article <m0br40Ff8v9U2@mid.individual.net>,
> Arno Welzel  <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
> ...
>>> I don't call an SSD a flash media.
>>
>> Why not? SSD *is* flash storage. Just because there is a controller
>> which takes care of wear leveling, the storage technology itself is not
>> different to that of SD cards.
> 
> Chill out, man.
> 
> People often use terminology in idiosyncratic ways.  That doesn't make them
> wrong.  I understand Carlo's frame of reference, and I accept it.  You
> should do likewise.

I was just not sure, if Carlo thinks, that SSD is not flash media but
something different - and that's the reason why it is called "solid
state disk" and not "flash media disk".

JFTR: In the past there were in fact SSDs based on RAM chips with
battery backup - for example the "memory cards" of some pocket computers
or programmable calculators.


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#182017 — Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-02-06 00:05 +0000
SubjectRe: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors
Message-ID<vo0ubp$2k46v$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#181989
On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 10:18:28 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:

> ... that's the reason why it is called "solid state disk" and not "flash
> media disk".
> 
> JFTR: In the past there were in fact SSDs based on RAM chips with
> battery backup - for example the "memory cards" of some pocket computers
> or programmable calculators.

But those were never called “solid state disks” though, where they.

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#182021 — Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-02-05 20:04 -0500
SubjectRe: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors
Message-ID<vo11rf$2klu4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#182017
On Wed, 2/5/2025 7:05 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 10:18:28 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:
> 
>> ... that's the reason why it is called "solid state disk" and not "flash
>> media disk".
>>
>> JFTR: In the past there were in fact SSDs based on RAM chips with
>> battery backup - for example the "memory cards" of some pocket computers
>> or programmable calculators.
> 
> But those were never called “solid state disks” though, where they.
> 

Gigabyte iRAM.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-RAM

   "The i-RAM was a PCI card-mounted, battery-backed RAM disk that behaved
    and was marketed as a solid-state storage device."

Someone held a patent, which may have caused those to go away.

One other problem with those, is their SATA info (emulation of a SATA) was
a bit incomplete for some purposes. Someone took an Areca RAID card and plugged
those in, and the Areca did not find the metadata palatable enough for the job.
Maybe missing a serial number or something. Thus, hopes were dashed at the
time, of setting a benchmark record :-)

I expect there are unemployed engineers running some home-brew ones
of those in their basement. That is about as close as poor people
will get to owning one.

   Paul

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#182038 — Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors

FromArno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Date2025-02-06 20:17 +0100
SubjectRe: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors
Message-ID<m0kg75FsnacU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#182017
Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-06 01:05:

> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 10:18:28 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:
> 
>> ... that's the reason why it is called "solid state disk" and not "flash
>> media disk".
>>
>> JFTR: In the past there were in fact SSDs based on RAM chips with
>> battery backup - for example the "memory cards" of some pocket computers
>> or programmable calculators.
> 
> But those were never called “solid state disks” though, where they.

Correct - "solid state drive" and not "solid state disk". However this
is by definition a drive which does not have moving parts. If this is
achieved by using battery powered RAM or flash memory is not important
for that definition.

Also see:

<https://www.techtarget.com/searchstorage/definition/RAM-based-solid-state-drive-SSD>

And Atto still offers RAM based SSDs:

<https://www.atto.com/products/silicondisk-storage-appliance/>

-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#182048 — Re: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-02-06 21:02 +0000
SubjectRe: What is an animal or an SSD drive? (Was: blah, blah, blah) Android editors
Message-ID<vo380k$34a3i$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#182038
On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 20:17:57 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 2025-02-06 01:05:
> 
>> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 10:18:28 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> 
>>> ... that's the reason why it is called "solid state disk" and not
>>> "flash media disk".
>>>
>>> JFTR: In the past there were in fact SSDs based on RAM chips with
>>> battery backup - for example the "memory cards" of some pocket
>>> computers or programmable calculators.
>> 
>> But those were never called “solid state disks” though, where they.
> 
> Correct - "solid state drive" and not "solid state disk".

Neither.

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