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  Microsoft Forcing Windows Users Into LibreOffice Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-16 21:40 +0000
    Re: Microsoft Forcing Windows Users Into LibreOffice Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 17:25 -0500
      Re: Microsoft Forcing Windows Users Into LibreOffice Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-17 00:07 +0000
        Re: Microsoft Forcing Windows Users Into LibreOffice Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 20:27 -0500
          Re: Microsoft Forcing Windows Users Into LibreOffice Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-17 02:37 +0000
            Re: Microsoft Forcing Windows Users Into LibreOffice Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-17 00:05 -0500
              Re: Microsoft Forcing Windows Users Into LibreOffice Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-17 05:40 +0000
                Re: Microsoft Forcing Windows Users Into LibreOffice Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 05:44 -0500
    Re: Microsoft Forcing Windows Users Into LibreOffice Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-01-17 07:40 +0200
    Re: Microsoft Forcing Windows Users Into LibreOffice T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-17 15:20 -0800

#181444 — Microsoft Forcing Windows Users Into LibreOffice

If you’re stubborn about sticking to Windows 10, here’s another bit of
functionality Microsoft is going to take away from you: use of
Microsoft Office/365.

<https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/15/24344209/microsoft-365-office-apps-windows-10-end-of-support>

So what other choice do you have apart from going to an alternative
like LibreOffice? Or abandoning Windows altogether, and embracing the
greater options available with Linux?

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#181452

On Thu, 1/16/2025 4:40 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> If you’re stubborn about sticking to Windows 10, here’s another bit of
> functionality Microsoft is going to take away from you: use of
> Microsoft Office/365.
> 
> <https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/15/24344209/microsoft-365-office-apps-windows-10-end-of-support>
> 
> So what other choice do you have apart from going to an alternative
> like LibreOffice? Or abandoning Windows altogether, and embracing the
> greater options available with Linux?
> 

Run a VM. Next.

Right now, I have a Win11 in a VMWare product, with "swtpm".
The Win11 doesn't have a license. And you don't put licenses
of the "normal" sort in a VM, because Microsoft tech support
won't help you with those. There may be some Enterprise SKU for
that.

But if you wanted to move your rental software, you could do it
that way.

I'm not sure you can do that with VirtualBox, as the passthru TPM
support (no "swtpm") did not work on my other machine. And I don't
really know how to debug that.

At the current time, you can *buy* the non-rental version of Office
and use that instead. The rental version is not the only version
(unlike an Adobe perhaps).

   Paul

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#181458

On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 17:25:49 -0500, Paul wrote:

> The Win11 doesn't have a license.

Seems you cannot get through your working day with proprietary software 
without being dishonest.

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#181467

On Thu, 1/16/2025 7:07 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 17:25:49 -0500, Paul wrote:
> 
>> The Win11 doesn't have a license.
> 
> Seems you cannot get through your working day with proprietary software 
> without being dishonest.
> 

The install is proof that VMWare has a working TPM and
is capable of installing Windows 11.

The Host OS that is resting on, is a *licensed* copy of Windows 11.

   [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/XY2r64CW/W11-in-VMWare.gif

  Paul

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#181469

On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 20:27:36 -0500, Paul wrote:

> On Thu, 1/16/2025 7:07 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 17:25:49 -0500, Paul wrote:
>> 
>>> The Win11 doesn't have a license.
>> 
>> Seems you cannot get through your working day with proprietary software
>> without being dishonest.
>> 
> The Host OS that is resting on, is a *licensed* copy of Windows 11.

Two different installations sharing the same licence? That’s not allowed.

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#181478

On Thu, 1/16/2025 9:37 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 20:27:36 -0500, Paul wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 1/16/2025 7:07 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 17:25:49 -0500, Paul wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Win11 doesn't have a license.
>>>
>>> Seems you cannot get through your working day with proprietary software
>>> without being dishonest.
>>>
>> The Host OS that is resting on, is a *licensed* copy of Windows 11.
> 
> Two different installations sharing the same licence? That’s not allowed.
> 

The date at the top of the picture, in Windows Update, shows the last
time it was used. The date in the lower right corner, shows todays
date when the VM guest was operated.

It's not a daily driver, and has the same status as a ton of other
test installs here.

If I erase it and install it again, would you be happy ?
If I erase it and install it again, would you be happy ?
If I erase it and install it again, would you be happy ?
...

   Paul

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#181481

On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 00:05:25 -0500, Paul wrote:

> On Thu, 1/16/2025 9:37 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 20:27:36 -0500, Paul wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, 1/16/2025 7:07 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 17:25:49 -0500, Paul wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Win11 doesn't have a license.
>>>>
>>>> Seems you cannot get through your working day with proprietary
>>>> software without being dishonest.
>>>>
>>> The Host OS that is resting on, is a *licensed* copy of Windows 11.
>> 
>> Two different installations sharing the same licence? That’s not
>> allowed.
>> 
> The date at the top of the picture, in Windows Update, shows the last
> time it was used.

That’s irrelevant. Also, the Windows Home licence doesn’t allow 
virtualization.

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#181486

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 00:05:25 -0500, Paul wrote:
>
>>>>>> The Win11 doesn't have a license.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems you cannot get through your working day with proprietary
>>>>> software without being dishonest.
>>>>>
>>>> The Host OS that is resting on, is a *licensed* copy of Windows 11.
>>> 
>>> Two different installations sharing the same licence? That’s not
>>> allowed.
>>> 
>> The date at the top of the picture, in Windows Update, shows the last
>> time it was used.
>
>That’s irrelevant. Also, the Windows Home licence doesn’t allow 
>virtualization.


I ran one 32-bit, and one 64-bit, Windows 10 VMs, under Linux, not to
do more than see them boot, though.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#181480

On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 21:40:29 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>If you’re stubborn about sticking to Windows 10, here’s another bit of
>functionality Microsoft is going to take away from you: use of
>Microsoft Office/365.
>
><https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/15/24344209/microsoft-365-office-apps-windows-10-end-of-support>
>
>So what other choice do you have apart from going to an alternative
>like LibreOffice? Or abandoning Windows altogether, and embracing the
>greater options available with Linux?

Microsoft did that a long time ago by making Office 365 rentware. 

I have a "free" copy of MS Office 365 that has been mouldering in a
cupboard for 10 years, and I never installed it because who needs
software that will die after a year?

I get by with MS Office 97 on my XP desktop and LibreOffice on my Win
10 laptop. 

-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#181506

On 1/16/25 1:40 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> If you’re stubborn about sticking to Windows 10, here’s another bit of
> functionality Microsoft is going to take away from you: use of
> Microsoft Office/365.
> 
> <https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/15/24344209/microsoft-365-office-apps-windows-10-end-of-support>
> 
> So what other choice do you have apart from going to an alternative
> like LibreOffice? Or abandoning Windows altogether, and embracing the
> greater options available with Linux?

Hi Lawrence,

This is my keeper on Office Suites:

I personally use LibreOffice and Only Office.

Libre Office has less bugs but is less intuitive.
It also support the Open Document spec well.
Libre Office is all as good as M$O.  Maybe better.

Only Office is very intuitive but has a ton of bugs.
It support DOCX well but is a bummer with Open
Documents.  It reads them well, be writes out
corruptions.  The solution is to write back out
as a DOCX, which rankles me.  Only Office will
come into its own eventually.  It's PDF reader
is great.

HTH,
-T


Office Suites:

Libre Office:
    http://libreoffice.org

Libre Office Extensions:
    https://extensions.libreoffice.org/


Only Office:
     https://www.onlyoffice.com/download-desktop.aspx


Free Office (old version of Softmaker):
     https://www.freeoffice.com/en/download/applications
     https://shop.softmaker.com/repo/rpm/x86_64/RPMS/


Softmaker:
     https://www.softmaker.com/en/
     https://www.softmaker.com/en/servicepacks  (has release notes)


Only Office Desktop:
     https://www.onlyoffice.com/download-desktop.aspx


WPS Office (has an Android version):
     https://linux.wps.com/#

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