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Killer price on a mini PC

Started by"Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com>
First post2026-09-15 21:48 -0400
Last post2026-09-18 18:25 -0700
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  Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 21:48 -0400
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-16 03:17 +0000
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 23:35 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 21:29 -0700
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:51 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:36 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 12:03 -0700
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 01:49 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 02:44 -0700
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 20:29 +1000
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:45 +0100
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 02:30 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:38 +1000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:43 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:47 +1000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:54 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 17:59 +0100
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:38 -0400
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:13 -0700
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:22 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 06:56 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 07:19 +0000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 01:54 -0700
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:24 -0400
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-16 12:36 +0100
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 10:11 -0400
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 12:20 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:58 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 13:26 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-18 00:49 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:10 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 20:01 +0000
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 16:23 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:42 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 18:09 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 23:02 +0000
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:08 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 00:33 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 21:20 +0100
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-18 16:05 -0500
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 17:09 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 17:19 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:47 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 23:13 +0100
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-19 19:56 +1000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:42 -0400
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-20 21:24 +1000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:18 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 04:51 -0400
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 19:18 +1000
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 13:13 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:33 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 18:46 -0400
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:52 +1000
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 20:02 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 21:21 +1000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-19 18:33 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-19 21:24 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 04:03 -0400
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 04:21 -0400
                            screen shape/orientation (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:31 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:45 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:57 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:39 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 15:04 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:29 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 22:47 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 20:36 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:14 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-20 11:26 -0500
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:32 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 06:16 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:41 +0000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:30 +0100
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:57 +1000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:01 -0400
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 17:19 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:02 -0500
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 19:23 -0400
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:30 +0000
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:12 +0200
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:47 +0100
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:29 +0200
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:26 +0000
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:36 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:44 +0000
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:29 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:34 +0100
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 08:28 -0400
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:49 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:40 +0200
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:43 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:38 +0200
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:11 +0000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 19:55 +0200
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-23 19:20 +0100
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 00:27 -0400
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:31 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 09:18 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:05 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:18 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:13 -0400
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 18:55 +0100
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:43 +1000
                                                    Gigaset M740AV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 20:25 +0200
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 13:43 +0000
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 20:39 +0200
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 06:51 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:24 +0100
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:11 +0200
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:18 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:41 +0200
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 11:57 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:48 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:25 +0000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:46 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 16:47 +0000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:28 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:33 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:03 +0000
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:42 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:34 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:36 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:14 +0100
                                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:39 +0100
                                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-26 17:14 -0500
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 22:16 -0400
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:24 +0100
                                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:37 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:42 +0100
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:32 +0100
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +1000
                                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:46 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:03 +0000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:16 +0000
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 07:19 +0000
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:37 +0100
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:38 +0100
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:32 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 00:10 +0000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 21:46 +0000
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 23:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 08:12 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:05 +0000
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-28 20:46 +1000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 12:03 +0100
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:37 +0000
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-26 19:14 -0400
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:10 +0000
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 02:20 -0400
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 07:50 +0100
                                          OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 18:59 +0100
                                            Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:52 +0000
                                              Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-23 02:29 -0400
                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:50 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:40 +0200
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:38 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 19:46 -0400
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:04 -0400
                                            OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 06:45 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 04:10 -0400
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:39 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 13:17 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:23 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:44 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:39 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:11 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-26 11:47 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:08 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:58 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:30 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:10 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:02 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:03 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:26 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-28 15:45 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:30 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:46 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:25 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 16:40 +0100
                                                                                    OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 16:58 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:57 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:00 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) André Coutanche <acoutanche@gmx.co.uk> - 2026-09-29 21:50 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:33 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 22:48 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:07 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - Lehrer John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 15:51 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 21:02 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:22 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:01 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 10:57 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 08:10 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:39 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-30 00:46 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:39 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:25 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:34 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:31 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 14:47 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:58 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:36 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:12 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:35 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 16:14 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:35 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:53 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 19:03 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 21:50 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:25 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:13 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:51 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:55 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-30 14:15 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +1000
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:52 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:13 +1000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 11:56 -0400
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:28 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 15:28 -0400
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 10:19 +0200
                                                                      [OT] - audio distribution, Rediffusion-style (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:43 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 11:44 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:12 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 18:12 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:23 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:34 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:46 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-29 12:01 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:05 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:13 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Other John <nomail@here.org> - 2026-09-29 16:53 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:12 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:23 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:37 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:28 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:35 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:15 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:15 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:50 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:24 +0200
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-01 17:17 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:48 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 13:32 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:52 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-03 21:10 +1000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:39 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:11 -0400
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-04 21:26 +1100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:19 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:36 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:18 +0200
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:47 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 12:50 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:09 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 15:59 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-03 15:56 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 17:19 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:54 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:27 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 07:55 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:54 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:17 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-05 11:29 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-05 11:46 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-06 17:51 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 18:58 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 20:36 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-07 09:00 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:04 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:21 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-07 11:54 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:37 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:00 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:06 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:02 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:40 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:02 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 12:47 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 00:23 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 18:41 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-03 22:52 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 21:24 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 08:08 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-04 09:29 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:54 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:15 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:27 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:13 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:19 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 13:54 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:34 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:22 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:37 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:37 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:50 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 13:08 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:50 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 03:29 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:53 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:49 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:19 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:34 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:51 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:52 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 07:52 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 03:15 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:51 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:16 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:12 +0200
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:06 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:50 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 01:31 +0000
                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:21 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:26 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:26 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:37 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 00:03 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:15 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:16 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:48 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:16 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:07 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:20 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:18 +0200
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:06 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:22 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:34 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:50 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:25 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:30 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 15:04 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:39 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:13 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-28 09:39 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 11:26 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:04 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:42 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 16:45 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:53 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 19:26 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:25 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 09:43 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:56 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 10:41 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:02 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 13:39 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:04 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 14:19 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:47 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 20:01 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:06 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:25 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 01:15 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Carlos <crazyhotwrse8@stinty.org> - 2026-10-03 20:41 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 21:28 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 17:16 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:50 +0100
                                                                                                              [OT] - power (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 19:05 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 19:15 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] - power "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:00 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] - power c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:30 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:47 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] - power Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-30 13:28 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:24 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-29 14:58 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:04 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:52 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:01 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 10:40 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 11:29 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:59 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:25 +0100
                                                                                                                  [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 23:54 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 00:57 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 08:51 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 04:40 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:19 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:20 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 19:32 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 20:02 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 19:03 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-05 06:40 -0500
                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 20:18 +1000
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:54 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 03:52 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:41 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:58 +1000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:56 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-24 22:24 +1000
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:07 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 12:53 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:09 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 18:56 +0000
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 10:01 +0100
                                              OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 14:42 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:04 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 15:55 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:18 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:50 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:34 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:10 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:29 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 05:12 +0000
                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 21:30 +1000
                                                        Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:54 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:14 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:38 +0000
                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:06 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:16 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:30 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:24 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:35 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:02 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:09 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0200
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:46 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:22 +0200
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:00 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:49 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:46 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:55 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:50 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:35 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:19 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:22 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:20 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:57 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:22 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:43 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:21 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:19 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:25 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:12 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 00:48 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:09 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:49 +0200
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:02 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 22:18 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:33 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 07:07 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:33 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:59 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:02 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:28 +0200
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:28 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 21:03 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:27 +0000
                                                Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:04 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 16:28 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:51 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:20 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 18:26 +0000
                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:20 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 18:44 +0000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-22 16:05 +0000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 18:31 +0000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:45 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:41 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:09 +0100
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:14 -0400
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:10 +0000
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 21:55 -0400
                                                      OT - TV (now radio) (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 09:49 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:32 +0200
                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:30 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:36 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:55 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:10 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:09 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:45 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:16 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:58 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:05 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:07 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:28 -0400
                                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 01:07 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:41 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 22:27 -0400
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:10 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:39 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 19:36 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 18:27 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:27 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 13:38 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 15:15 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 17:52 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:49 -0400
                                                                                  [OT] = X-rays and medical costs (was: Re: OT - TV (now radio)) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 20:16 +0100
                                                                                    Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs (was: Re: OT - TV (now radio)) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 22:35 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:22 -0400
                                                                                        Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 06:58 +0100
                                                                                          Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 02:21 -0400
                                                                                            Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:33 +0100
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-10-02 13:47 +0100
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 15:17 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-10-02 16:07 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:54 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 10:06 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:53 -0400
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:55 -0400
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:33 -0400
                                                                                            Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 13:51 +0100
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 00:14 -0400
                                                                                          Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 17:34 +0000
                                                                                        Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 11:35 +0200
                                                                                          Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 20:57 -0400
                                                                                            Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:31 +0200
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:26 +0100
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:24 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 23:39 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 02:14 +0200
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:40 -0400
                                                                                              Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:02 -0400
                                                                                                Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:52 +0000
                                                                                    Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:28 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 21:55 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:28 -0400
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:04 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:39 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 22:03 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:33 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-02 07:08 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:55 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:31 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:08 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:41 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:46 -0400
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:52 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:40 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 23:44 -0400
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-03 05:00 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:48 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:35 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:12 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:19 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:34 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 21:46 -0400
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 16:07 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:42 -0400
                                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:50 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
                                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:37 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 22:10 +0200
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:45 -0400
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 11:41 +0200
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:08 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:06 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:33 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-27 16:23 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:34 +0200
                                                            Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:59 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:37 -0400
                                                              Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:27 +0200
                                                                Re: OT - TV (now radio) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:29 +0100
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:55 +0000
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-28 01:28 -0400
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 07:12 +0000
                                                            OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 17:19 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - electronic tinkering (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:26 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:18 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-23 17:28 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:21 +0100
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 18:26 +0000
                                                  OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 20:08 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 21:45 +1000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 20:05 +0000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:22 +0100
                                                    OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:43 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:43 +0100
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:25 +0000
                                              OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:57 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 21:13 +0200
                                                Re: OT - TV Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-24 17:47 -0500
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:53 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:51 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 08:22 +0000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:01 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:19 +0000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:32 +0000
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:50 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 18:40 +0000
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:10 +1000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:49 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:20 +0200
                                        OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:13 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:59 +0000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-22 02:20 -0400
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:16 +1000
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:52 +0100
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:35 +0000
                                          OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 19:51 +0100
                                            Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 08:16 +0000
                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 15:07 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:28 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:30 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:07 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Mark Lloyd <nomail@here.invalid> - 2026-09-25 21:52 +0000
                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 22:15 +0000
                                                    Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:17 -0400
                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 10:11 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-03 08:20 +0000
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 10:10 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 23:18 -0400
                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 07:41 +0000
                                                    Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 23:44 -0400
                                                      Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-05 00:45 -0400
                                                        Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 03:06 -0400
                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 07:34 +0000
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 09:10 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:28 +0200
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:00 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:03 +0000
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:33 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-05 23:44 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:37 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:09 +0200
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-06 06:33 -0400
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:59 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:25 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:44 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:04 -0400
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:21 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 18:31 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-07 01:20 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:08 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 03:24 -0400
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:42 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:40 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 17:30 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-07 22:40 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:15 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:29 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:56 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:08 +0200
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:39 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:20 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:43 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 15:23 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:17 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 15:26 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:45 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 16:01 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-06 18:00 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:06 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 18:03 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-07 06:47 -0500
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:06 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 13:31 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:18 -0400
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 19:05 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-07 15:59 -0500
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 19:05 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:07 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 18:35 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-06 18:17 +0000
                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 03:48 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-07 06:55 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-07 03:31 -0400
                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 17:39 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-07 22:44 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:03 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-06 06:57 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:39 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:52 +0000
                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:39 +0200
                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:53 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:44 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:11 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:47 +0100
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:46 +0000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:13 +0100
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:22 +0000
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:23 -0400
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 10:17 +0100
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 21:36 -0400
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:27 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-27 03:59 -0400
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:08 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:39 +0000
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:40 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:28 +1000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:43 +0000
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:26 +0000
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 09:55 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:43 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-28 01:31 -0400
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 19:05 +0000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:50 +0000
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 22:26 +1000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:56 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 23:35 +1000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-20 21:29 +1000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-20 16:56 +0000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-20 18:20 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-20 18:22 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-20 20:14 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 06:34 -0400
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:57 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 23:56 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:34 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:35 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:20 +0000
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:32 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:45 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:52 +0000
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-19 00:37 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:43 +0000
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:41 +0000
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-19 17:48 +0000
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 18:56 +0100
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 14:45 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:37 +0100
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-19 21:42 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 01:35 +0000
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-20 09:46 +0000
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 13:59 -0700
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 17:06 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 18:30 -0700
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 21:37 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 00:39 -0700
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 09:06 +0100
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 04:19 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 14:28 -0700
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 22:59 +0000
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 18:04 -0700
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-19 08:21 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 18:25 -0700

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#196557 — Re: OT - TV

FromJohn Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>
Date2026-10-03 15:59 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nicjicFn3jhU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#196555
On 03/10/2026 13:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 03/10/2026 12:50, John Williamson wrote:
>> On occasion, 15 Volt or slightly more can be used ro equalise the
>> charge between the cells, but this will cause some of the water in the
>> electrolyte to split into hydrogen and oxygen.
> And some of the cells to split into plastic, lead, acid and a loud bang
> DAMHIKT...

That needs a spark nearby

-- 
Tciao for Now!

John.

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#196558 — Re: OT - TV

FromJan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
Date2026-10-03 15:56 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<119r8k4$3515t$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#196557
>John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>wrote:
>>On 03/10/2026 13:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 03/10/2026 12:50, John Williamson wrote:
>>> On occasion, 15 Volt or slightly more can be used ro equalise the
>>> charge between the cells, but this will cause some of the water in the
>>> electrolyte to split into hydrogen and oxygen.
>> And some of the cells to split into plastic, lead, acid and a loud bang
>> DAMHIKT...
>
>That needs a spark nearby

I was just charging a lead acid battery (from a UPS) with my lab supply:
 https://ibb.co/j9hGGcNB

You can set voltage and current-limit anyway you want

Very useful thing, designed and build it around 2010:
 https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/pwr_pic/

You can charge all sort of batteries with it.
12 V in from a big wallwart (from mains)  0 to 24 V adjustable output.

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#196559 — Re: OT - TV

FromJohn Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>
Date2026-10-03 17:19 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nico85FnpicU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#196558
On 03/10/2026 16:56, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>wrote:
>>> On 03/10/2026 13:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 03/10/2026 12:50, John Williamson wrote:
>>>> On occasion, 15 Volt or slightly more can be used ro equalise the
>>>> charge between the cells, but this will cause some of the water in the
>>>> electrolyte to split into hydrogen and oxygen.
>>> And some of the cells to split into plastic, lead, acid and a loud bang
>>> DAMHIKT...
>>
>> That needs a spark nearby
>
> I was just charging a lead acid battery (from a UPS) with my lab supply:
>  https://ibb.co/j9hGGcNB
>
> You can set voltage and current-limit anyway you want
>
> Very useful thing, designed and build it around 2010:
>  https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/pwr_pic/
>
> You can charge all sort of batteries with it.
> 12 V in from a big wallwart (from mains)  0 to 24 V adjustable output.
>
I use 12 volts at home to power all sorts of things, and for many years, 
I used lead acid batteries. I now use Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries. 
(I live on a boat) The batteries get changed by solar power, the engine 
alternator or a mains powered charger. I have a number of DC-DC 
converters to power laptops and such and an inverter which can power a 
microwave or power tools.
-- 
Tciao for Now!

John.

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#196579 — Re: OT - TV

FromJan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
Date2026-10-04 10:54 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<119tba1$3quvc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#196559
>John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>wrote:
>>On 03/10/2026 16:56, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>wrote:
>>>> On 03/10/2026 13:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 03/10/2026 12:50, John Williamson wrote:
>>>>> On occasion, 15 Volt or slightly more can be used ro equalise the
>>>>> charge between the cells, but this will cause some of the water in the
>>>>> electrolyte to split into hydrogen and oxygen.
>>>> And some of the cells to split into plastic, lead, acid and a loud bang
>>>> DAMHIKT...
>>>
>>> That needs a spark nearby
>>
>> I was just charging a lead acid battery (from a UPS) with my lab supply:
>>  https://ibb.co/j9hGGcNB
>>
>> You can set voltage and current-limit anyway you want
>>
>> Very useful thing, designed and build it around 2010:
>>  https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/pwr_pic/
>>
>> You can charge all sort of batteries with it.
>> 12 V in from a big wallwart (from mains)  0 to 24 V adjustable output.
>>
>I use 12 volts at home to power all sorts of things, and for many years, 
>I used lead acid batteries. I now use Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries. 
>(I live on a boat) The batteries get changed by solar power, the engine 
>alternator or a mains powered charger. I have a number of DC-DC 
>converters to power laptops and such and an inverter which can power a 
>microwave or power tools.


I have these for on a boat:
 250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG

Now in use as backup for my computers, as the UPS battery gave up after
constantly coming in since the power company changed their meter for a 'smart'
one and removed the connection of neutral to local ground,
causing a voltage drop.
So much for improvement, now you pay more for their cable losses??

That battery pack runs microwave and fridge too if needed
I have 3 large flexible solar panels for on a boat.
And a small fixed 80 W one upstair in a window.
Several solar powered flashights too, some with hand crank.

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#196609 — Re: OT - TV

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-05 01:27 -0400
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<cpWdnegfD_vRqF73nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#196579
On 10/4/26 06:54, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>wrote:
>>> On 03/10/2026 16:56, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>wrote:
>>>>> On 03/10/2026 13:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 03/10/2026 12:50, John Williamson wrote:
>>>>>> On occasion, 15 Volt or slightly more can be used ro equalise the
>>>>>> charge between the cells, but this will cause some of the water in the
>>>>>> electrolyte to split into hydrogen and oxygen.
>>>>> And some of the cells to split into plastic, lead, acid and a loud bang
>>>>> DAMHIKT...
>>>>
>>>> That needs a spark nearby
>>>
>>> I was just charging a lead acid battery (from a UPS) with my lab supply:
>>>   https://ibb.co/j9hGGcNB
>>>
>>> You can set voltage and current-limit anyway you want
>>>
>>> Very useful thing, designed and build it around 2010:
>>>   https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/pwr_pic/
>>>
>>> You can charge all sort of batteries with it.
>>> 12 V in from a big wallwart (from mains)  0 to 24 V adjustable output.
>>>
>> I use 12 volts at home to power all sorts of things, and for many years,
>> I used lead acid batteries. I now use Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries.
>> (I live on a boat) The batteries get changed by solar power, the engine
>> alternator or a mains powered charger. I have a number of DC-DC
>> converters to power laptops and such and an inverter which can power a
>> microwave or power tools.
> 
> 
> I have these for on a boat:
>   250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG
> 
> Now in use as backup for my computers, as the UPS battery gave up after
> constantly coming in since the power company changed their meter for a 'smart'
> one and removed the connection of neutral to local ground,
> causing a voltage drop.
> So much for improvement, now you pay more for their cable losses??
> 
> That battery pack runs microwave and fridge too if needed
> I have 3 large flexible solar panels for on a boat.
> And a small fixed 80 W one upstair in a window.
> Several solar powered flashights too, some with hand crank.


   LIPo batts CAN still explode for no obvious
   reason. Got a scar to prove it.

   Future/NOW ... look into sodium batteries. Plenty
   on Amazon. Almost as good as LIPo bur DON'T blow
   up in your face and set everything on fire. Seems
   the usual charge circuits for lead-acid work fine
   for sodium, though sodium CAN be charged faster.

   AM looking to make a semi-decent DC power storage
   unit - probably solar charged. Doesn't have to be
   huge, maybe ten or fifteen thousand kva, above the
   'consumer' UPS units. A 120vac take-off is required
   of course, but want 12vdc too. NOT an 'off-grid
   solution' ... just a 'fill-in'. But, DO want the
   sodium batteries.

   Fair, stackable, commercial units :

   https://xpcc.com/xtreme-power-sodium-ups/

   Also informative :

  
https://www.kmdpower.com/news/how-to-choose-the-right-sodium-ion-battery-for-ups-system/


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#196615 — Re: OT - TV

FromJan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
Date2026-10-05 07:55 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<119vl5u$ne7p$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#196609
>c186282 <c186282@nnada.net>wrote:
>>On 10/4/26 06:54, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>wrote:
>>>> On 03/10/2026 16:56, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>wrote:
>>>>>> On 03/10/2026 13:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 03/10/2026 12:50, John Williamson wrote:
>>>>>>> On occasion, 15 Volt or slightly more can be used ro equalise the
>>>>>>> charge between the cells, but this will cause some of the water in the
>>>>>>> electrolyte to split into hydrogen and oxygen.
>>>>>> And some of the cells to split into plastic, lead, acid and a loud bang
>>>>>> DAMHIKT...
>>>>>
>>>>> That needs a spark nearby
>>>>
>>>> I was just charging a lead acid battery (from a UPS) with my lab supply:
>>>>   https://ibb.co/j9hGGcNB
>>>>
>>>> You can set voltage and current-limit anyway you want
>>>>
>>>> Very useful thing, designed and build it around 2010:
>>>>   https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/pwr_pic/
>>>>
>>>> You can charge all sort of batteries with it.
>>>> 12 V in from a big wallwart (from mains)  0 to 24 V adjustable output.
>>>>
>>> I use 12 volts at home to power all sorts of things, and for many years,
>>> I used lead acid batteries. I now use Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries.
>>> (I live on a boat) The batteries get changed by solar power, the engine
>>> alternator or a mains powered charger. I have a number of DC-DC
>>> converters to power laptops and such and an inverter which can power a
>>> microwave or power tools.
>> 
>> 
>> I have these for on a boat:
>>   250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG
>> 
>> Now in use as backup for my computers, as the UPS battery gave up after
>> constantly coming in since the power company changed their meter for a 'smart'
>> one and removed the connection of neutral to local ground,
>> causing a voltage drop.
>> So much for improvement, now you pay more for their cable losses??
>> 
>> That battery pack runs microwave and fridge too if needed
>> I have 3 large flexible solar panels for on a boat.
>> And a small fixed 80 W one upstair in a window.
>> Several solar powered flashights too, some with hand crank.
>
>
>   LIPo batts CAN still explode for no obvious
>   reason. Got a scar to prove it.
>
>   Future/NOW ... look into sodium batteries. Plenty
>   on Amazon. Almost as good as LIPo bur DON'T blow
>   up in your face and set everything on fire. Seems
>   the usual charge circuits for lead-acid work fine
>   for sodium, though sodium CAN be charged faster.
>
>   AM looking to make a semi-decent DC power storage
>   unit - probably solar charged. Doesn't have to be
>   huge, maybe ten or fifteen thousand kva, above the
>   'consumer' UPS units. A 120vac take-off is required
>   of course, but want 12vdc too. NOT an 'off-grid
>   solution' ... just a 'fill-in'. But, DO want the
>   sodium batteries.
>
>   Fair, stackable, commercial units :
>
>   https://xpcc.com/xtreme-power-sodium-ups/
>
>   Also informative :
>
>  
>https://www.kmdpower.com/news/how-to-choose-the-right-sodium-ion-battery-for-ups-system/

Nice link, thank you
I did read a bit about sodium batteriies for electric cars.
I will look around a bit for some big ones.
The lead-acid one in my APC UPS is now, after several years, as good as dead
just tried a charge - recharge cycle, not much battery capacity left.
A new battery for it is about 20 Euro / 20 US dollars.
I can get a new UPS with battery from about 100 Euro / dollars here:
 https://www.alternate.nl/UPS

Was already thinking about a design, maybe sodium is an option..


 

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#196626 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-05 14:54 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nihkvhFfekcU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#196615
On 2026-10-05 09:55, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> I can get a new UPS with battery from about 100 Euro / dollars here:
>   https://www.alternate.nl/UPS

Alternate was a good shop in Spain, over a decade ago; I bought many 
things from them. Now they are useless, no shop here, long delivery 
times, and garbage web page.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#196630 — Re: OT - TV

FromJan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
Date2026-10-05 15:17 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a0f2f$12at5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#196626
>"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>wrote:
>>On 2026-10-05 09:55, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> I can get a new UPS with battery from about 100 Euro / dollars here:
>>   https://www.alternate.nl/UPS
>
>Alternate was a good shop in Spain, over a decade ago; I bought many 
>things from them. Now they are useless, no shop here, long delivery 
>times, and garbage web page.

Last time I bought something from them was in June 2025
A Toshiba Canvio Basics 4 TB Harde schijf
I have 4 now, 2 on my Raspberries, one on the TV, one on a big PC
raspberrypi: ~/mail # cd
raspberrypi: ~ # df
Filesystem      1K-blocks       Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/root       124334328   33771112  85464388  29% /
devtmpfs          3879380    3879380         0 100% /dev
tmpfs             4044244      29016   4015228   1% /dev/shm
tmpfs             1617700       1328   1616372   1% /run
tmpfs                5120          4      5116   1% /run/lock
/dev/mmcblk0p1     258095      50413    207682  20% /boot
tmpfs              808848         24    808824   1% /run/user/1000
/dev/sdb2      3844420600 3554244888  94815048  98% /mnt/sda2

So sdb2 already 98 % full..

Those 4 TB Toshibas are the best harddiscs I ever had.
Used as backup too.

No problem with Alternate here in the Netherlands
Been buying stuff there since May 2005: a Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 (120 GB)

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#196619 — Re: OT - TV

FromJohn Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>
Date2026-10-05 11:29 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nihcgmFekvoU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#196609
On 05/10/2026 06:27, c186282 wrote:
> On 10/4/26 06:54, Jan Panteltje wrote:

>> I have these for on a boat:
>>   250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG
>>
>> Now in use as backup for my computers, as the UPS battery gave up after
>> constantly coming in since the power company changed their meter for a
>> 'smart'
>> one and removed the connection of neutral to local ground,
>> causing a voltage drop.
>> So much for improvement, now you pay more for their cable losses??
>>
>> That battery pack runs microwave and fridge too if needed
>> I have 3 large flexible solar panels for on a boat.
>> And a small fixed 80 W one upstair in a window.
>> Several solar powered flashights too, some with hand crank.
>
>
>   LIPo batts CAN still explode for no obvious
>   reason. Got a scar to prove it.
>
Lithium Polymer batteries are, as you say, prone to thermal runaway if 
overcharged, run too flat or the day has a "y" in it. They are currently 
used in phones, laptops, tablets, e-bikes and some cars.

LiFePO4 batteries, on the other hand are currently being used in many 
thousands of boats as power supplies for the domestic stuff, and I have 
yet to hear one report of an explosion or fire that was not started by 
ancillary equipment. The cells are usually still intact after the fire. 
You *can*, if you are determined enough, make the cells ignite by, say, 
repeatedly using an ice pick to puncture them, but it needs to be a 
metal pick, so that it shorts out the internal structures and even then, 
as long as you stand upwind, the fumes won't hurt you.

>   Future/NOW ... look into sodium batteries. Plenty
>   on Amazon. Almost as good as LIPo bur DON'T blow
>   up in your face and set everything on fire. Seems
>   the usual charge circuits for lead-acid work fine
>   for sodium, though sodium CAN be charged faster.
>
I just searched for "sodium battery" on Amazon UK. Not a single one in 
the resuktys, but I *was* offered lead acid of various types, as well as 
a number of Lithium based batteries of various tyoes.

Do you have a link for a sodium battery on Amazon?

The problem is that the cell voltages need clever electronics to use 
them with normal equipment, as it varies between 3.1 and 1.5 volts per 
cell in normal use. The energy density is not much more than half that 
of Lithium based batteries.

>   AM looking to make a semi-decent DC power storage
>   unit - probably solar charged. Doesn't have to be
>   huge, maybe ten or fifteen thousand kva, above the
>   'consumer' UPS units. A 120vac take-off is required
>   of course, but want 12vdc too. NOT an 'off-grid
>   solution' ... just a 'fill-in'. But, DO want the
>   sodium batteries.
>
You want ten to 15 megawatt hours and you call it "small"? :-0


That is well into pumped electrolyte utility company territory.


(I have about 4kVA on the boat, and that lasts me a couple of days, as 
long as I don't use the immersion heater.)

>   Fair, stackable, commercial units :
>
>   https://xpcc.com/xtreme-power-sodium-ups/
>
I'd want rather more run time than they offer. At full power, you don't 
even get enough time to log off....




-- 
Tciao for Now!

John.

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#196620 — Re: OT - TV

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-10-05 11:46 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nihdh7FepipU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#196619
John Williamson wrote:

> c186282 wrote:
>
>>   Future/NOW ... look into sodium batteries. Plenty
>>   on Amazon. Almost as good as LIPo bur DON'T blow
>>   up in your face and set everything on fire. Seems
>>   the usual charge circuits for lead-acid work fine
>>   for sodium, though sodium CAN be charged faster.
>>
> I just searched for "sodium battery" on Amazon UK. Not a single one in 
> the resuktys, but I *was* offered lead acid of various types, as well as 
> a number of Lithium based batteries of various tyoes.
> 
> Do you have a link for a sodium battery on Amazon?
I've seen it demonstrated that a Sodium-ion battery is basically just as 
easy to puncture causing thermal runaway and catching fire as a 
Lithium-ion battery ...


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#196678 — Re: OT - TV

FromJMB99 <mb@nospam.net>
Date2026-10-06 17:51 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a38uf$24fks$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#196620
Got me thinking, military vehicles can have self-sealing fuel tanks but 
if they have to start using Battery Vehicles, what happens if the 
battery is hit?

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#196681 — Re: OT - TV

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-06 18:58 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a3ct0$263l5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#196678
On 2026/10/6 17:51:26, JMB99 wrote:
> Got me thinking, military vehicles can have self-sealing fuel tanks but 
> if they have to start using Battery Vehicles, what happens if the 
> battery is hit?

Presumably systems can be devised to treat the battery as multiple
units, and switch round damaged ones. Obviously this can only go so far
- as can self-sealing fuel tanks. (Really, those should also be a
collection of small tanks, with a mechanism for switching round them.)
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

... basically it's another language and unless you've studied it, it's
difficult to grasp. I know people get outraged at me saying it, but
it's only my opinion. I'm not telling people who adore Shakespeare to
stop adoring it this minute.
- Jane Horrocks, in Radio Times 30 July - 5 August 2011

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#196686 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-06 20:36 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<niktcpFglmU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#196678
On 2026-10-06 18:51, JMB99 wrote:
> Got me thinking, military vehicles can have self-sealing fuel tanks but 
> if they have to start using Battery Vehicles, what happens if the 
> battery is hit?

Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been using 
batteries and continue to do so.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#196699 — Re: OT - TV

FromJMB99 <mb@nospam.net>
Date2026-10-07 09:00 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a4u79$2lnse$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#196686
On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been using 
> batteries and continue to do so.



At least most are 'hybrids'.  The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.

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#196701 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-07 11:04 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a55g7$2nipf$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#196699
On 07/10/2026 09:00, JMB99 wrote:
> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been using 
>> batteries and continue to do so.
> 
> 
> 
> At least most are 'hybrids'.  The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.

Of course not. Hybrids actually are practical and mostly work. And 
certainly reduce urban emissions mightily

And you get a good balance between massive acceleration for e,g, 
overtaking and having fun, with decent fuel economy in a stop start 
scenario, and no worse economy than a similar turbodiesel etc on a long 
constant speed run.


-- 
“Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of 
a car with the cramped public exposure of 
an airplane.”

Dennis Miller

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#196704 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-07 12:21 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nimkp8F7onlU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#196701
On 2026-10-07 12:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/10/2026 09:00, JMB99 wrote:
>> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been 
>>> using batteries and continue to do so.
>>
>>
>>
>> At least most are 'hybrids'.  The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.
> 
> Of course not. Hybrids actually are practical and mostly work. And 
> certainly reduce urban emissions mightily
> 
> And you get a good balance between massive acceleration for e,g, 
> overtaking and having fun, with decent fuel economy in a stop start 
> scenario, and no worse economy than a similar turbodiesel etc on a long 
> constant speed run.

That's the theory. I have been a fan of hybrids for decades. But they 
have been perverted: huge cars with tiny batteries that drink gasoline 
as cossacks, yet get the ECO label.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#196709 — Re: OT - TV

FromJohn Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>
Date2026-10-07 11:54 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nimmmgF8q0lU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#196704
On 07/10/2026 11:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-07 12:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 07/10/2026 09:00, JMB99 wrote:
>>> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been
>>>> using batteries and continue to do so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At least most are 'hybrids'.  The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.
>>
>> Of course not. Hybrids actually are practical and mostly work. And
>> certainly reduce urban emissions mightily
>>
>> And you get a good balance between massive acceleration for e,g,
>> overtaking and having fun, with decent fuel economy in a stop start
>> scenario, and no worse economy than a similar turbodiesel etc on a
>> long constant speed run.
>
> That's the theory. I have been a fan of hybrids for decades. But they
> have been perverted: huge cars with tiny batteries that drink gasoline
> as cossacks, yet get the ECO label.
>
Hybrids are intended for use in traffic with frequent stops and starts. 
The engine only needs enough power to keep it rolling at its maximum 
speed. The battery only needs to hold enough energy to help accelerate 
it away to the sped limit from a stop once or twice. As the IC engine is 
small, it is working at close to its maximum efficiency most of the 
time, as against the traditional vehicle engine which is pretty close to 
idling except for a few seconds as you pull away for the lights. This is 
why the early Toyota Prius taxis could get up to 50 mpg round town and 
still pull away very quickly. Small engine, big motor and a battery that 
was almost fully cycled at every junction.

A well designed hybrid will also recover kinetic energy when you slow down.

"Plug in" hybrids are, basically, an electric vehicle with a range 
extender. They use the IC engine at high speed out of town and the 
electric motor in town to reduce local emissions.

For long fast trips out of town, you still need a big engine, and the 
battery is more or less a waste of space. A bus company I used to work 
for discovered this the expensive way when they bought a batch of hybrid 
buses for a new inter town route, The engines were over worked when they 
were out of town so they were using more fuel than the normal ones, and 
the overload also caused problems witn reliability.
-- 
Tciao for Now!

John.

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#196712 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-07 12:37 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a5at8$2nipf$18@dont-email.me>
In reply to#196709
On 07/10/2026 11:54, John Williamson wrote:
> On 07/10/2026 11:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-10-07 12:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 07/10/2026 09:00, JMB99 wrote:
>>>> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been
>>>>> using batteries and continue to do so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At least most are 'hybrids'.  The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.
>>>
>>> Of course not. Hybrids actually are practical and mostly work. And
>>> certainly reduce urban emissions mightily
>>>
>>> And you get a good balance between massive acceleration for e,g,
>>> overtaking and having fun, with decent fuel economy in a stop start
>>> scenario, and no worse economy than a similar turbodiesel etc on a
>>> long constant speed run.
>>
>> That's the theory. I have been a fan of hybrids for decades. But they
>> have been perverted: huge cars with tiny batteries that drink gasoline
>> as cossacks, yet get the ECO label.
>>
> Hybrids are intended for use in traffic with frequent stops and starts. 
> The engine only needs enough power to keep it rolling at its maximum 
> speed. The battery only needs to hold enough energy to help accelerate 
> it away to the sped limit from a stop once or twice. As the IC engine is 
> small, it is working at close to its maximum efficiency most of the 
> time, as against the traditional vehicle engine which is pretty close to 
> idling except for a few seconds as you pull away for the lights. This is 
> why the early Toyota Prius taxis could get up to 50 mpg round town and 
> still pull away very quickly. Small engine, big motor and a battery that 
> was almost fully cycled at every junction.
> 
> A well designed hybrid will also recover kinetic energy when you slow down.
> 
> "Plug in" hybrids are, basically, an electric vehicle with a range 
> extender. They use the IC engine at high speed out of town and the 
> electric motor in town to reduce local emissions.
> 
> For long fast trips out of town, you still need a big engine, and the 
> battery is more or less a waste of space. A bus company I used to work 
> for discovered this the expensive way when they bought a batch of hybrid 
> buses for a new inter town route, The engines were over worked when they 
> were out of town so they were using more fuel than the normal ones, and 
> the overload also caused problems witn reliability.

People I know with hybrids say the economy is *no worse* with the hybrid 
on a long trip, at fairly steady legal speeds, than an equivalent 
turbodiesel. It just isn't any *better*.

Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to 
run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is 
depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery.

Typically halving fuel used
Regen braking and no idling is the key

-- 
“The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to 
fill the world with fools.”

Herbert Spencer

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#196710 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-07 12:00 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11a58ou$2nipf$15@dont-email.me>
In reply to#196704
On 07/10/2026 11:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-07 12:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 07/10/2026 09:00, JMB99 wrote:
>>> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been 
>>>> using batteries and continue to do so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At least most are 'hybrids'.  The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.
>>
>> Of course not. Hybrids actually are practical and mostly work. And 
>> certainly reduce urban emissions mightily
>>
>> And you get a good balance between massive acceleration for e,g, 
>> overtaking and having fun, with decent fuel economy in a stop start 
>> scenario, and no worse economy than a similar turbodiesel etc on a 
>> long constant speed run.
> 
> That's the theory. I have been a fan of hybrids for decades. But they 
> have been perverted: huge cars with tiny batteries that drink gasoline 
> as cossacks, yet get the ECO label.
> 
They are lower emissions in towns, if not overall.

But that is what you get with the EU. Renewable Obligatins that mandate 
renewable energy that doesn't actually work to reduce emissions and is 
expensive.

Hybrid cars that don't actually work to reduce emissions and are expensive

BUT the car makers and renewable companies are making money! And that's 
all  that really matters

-- 
There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do 
that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon 
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent 
renewable energy.

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#196702 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-07 12:06 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nimjtkF7onlU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#196699
On 2026-10-07 10:00, JMB99 wrote:
> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been using 
>> batteries and continue to do so.
> 
> 
> 
> At least most are 'hybrids'.  The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.

The Spanish S80 series uses bioethanol :-p

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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