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| Started by | "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> |
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| First post | 2025-10-27 08:14 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-10-29 08:42 -0400 |
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DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-10-27 08:14 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 09:43 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 14:03 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:19 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:37 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 01:26 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 06:08 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 02:59 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 21:29 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:17 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:11 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 13:36 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:37 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 19:52 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:14 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 13:54 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:12 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-27 15:01 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:35 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 19:06 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 23:10 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 12:20 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:18 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 23:26 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-28 13:10 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 00:21 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:14 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 13:43 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2025-10-29 14:13 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:16 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:42 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 20:02 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-10-30 15:32 +0200
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:11 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-29 15:00 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 12:24 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:41 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 20:12 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 10:10 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:39 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 20:37 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:23 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Windows Devil <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 14:00 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 11:16 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Monsieur <Monsieur@notreal.invalid> - 2025-10-27 18:19 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 11:31 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:34 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:35 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:32 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-28 22:09 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:27 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 16:27 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-29 19:57 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:44 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-30 10:32 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-30 15:30 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-30 15:22 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-30 16:59 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:33 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 13:58 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-31 19:48 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 20:20 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 13:53 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-31 18:55 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:29 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-01 05:59 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:33 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-01 09:50 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:11 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:26 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-11-01 17:00 -0500
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-31 11:28 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:23 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-31 23:37 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-31 19:52 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 20:20 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-31 13:57 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:02 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:10 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:01 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 12:00 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:40 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:44 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Sump <sumpusent@outlook.com> - 2025-11-01 23:00 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 17:07 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:21 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-02 01:17 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:07 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-01 02:28 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:19 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:00 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:59 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:41 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:53 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-01 10:21 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Stan Brown <someone@example.com> - 2025-10-27 09:14 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 13:17 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-10-27 13:58 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 18:38 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 18:43 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 22:00 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 14:03 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-30 19:54 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:18 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:48 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-29 11:50 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 23:31 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 23:42 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 08:50 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-29 20:34 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:20 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 08:25 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:41 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 09:04 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 16:40 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-10-27 20:47 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:18 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 12:10 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:44 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 10:27 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 02:09 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2025-10-28 07:13 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 05:06 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:59 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 23:13 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 08:58 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-30 00:32 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 22:55 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 16:46 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-10-28 20:03 -0500
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 19:10 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 17:33 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 23:18 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 23:36 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-30 00:42 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-30 01:05 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 14:36 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:29 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 22:05 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:58 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-30 07:26 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:46 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:57 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 08:45 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 10:28 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 11:01 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 13:13 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:35 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 13:51 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:45 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 22:58 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:43 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:33 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:27 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-10-30 10:16 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:04 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:20 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:19 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 18:34 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 23:09 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-29 20:28 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-30 17:01 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:19 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:42 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:31 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-10-29 13:12 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 12:13 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 19:55 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 08:42 -0400
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 19:48 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mmkej1F38pfU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #189023 |
On 31 Oct 2025 13:58:27 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote: > s|b wrote: > > > > Can I ask how you run Windows? Is that some sort of VM or perhaps on > > other hardware? > I just run Windows (now 11) on a (HP) laptop in normal native mode. So > no VM or anything like that. > > Perhaps the fact that I'm using Cygwin - a Unix/GNU-like environment > on/for Windows - is what made you ask the question? I have the impression a lot of people run Windows on a VM on their Linux OS. I once experimented with VirtualBox on a Windows PC, but it was complicated (although I followed steps provided by a YT video) and I felt like I didn't have enough RAM. > So for *me* I have the best of both worlds, a Unix-like environment > with all the commands and tools which come with that *and* a normal > Windows environment for my other programs. It's difficult to imagine for me. I probably need another YT vid. (-: > N.B. This posting is brought to you, courtesy editor vim (Unix), > newsreader tin (Unix) and personal news-server Hamster (Windows > (32-bit))! :-) I know if tin and - a very long time ago - I experimented with Hamster. -- s|b
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 20:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10e383l.34c.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #189025 |
s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: > On 31 Oct 2025 13:58:27 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote: [...] > > N.B. This posting is brought to you, courtesy editor vim (Unix), > > newsreader tin (Unix) and personal news-server Hamster (Windows > > (32-bit))! :-) > > I know if tin and - a very long time ago - I experimented with Hamster. You've just earned some extra brownie points! :-)
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 13:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mmme57Fdf32U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #189030 |
On 31 Oct 2025 20:20:51 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote: > s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: > > > > I know if tin and - a very long time ago - I experimented with Hamster. (of tin) > You've just earned some extra brownie points! :-) This was before Agent had a News Access Plan. One could either use Hamster or simply run several instances of agent.exe. -- s|b
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 18:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10e3ep5$rutb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #189025 |
On Fri, 10/31/2025 2:48 PM, s|b wrote:
> On 31 Oct 2025 13:58:27 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
>> s|b wrote:
>>>
>>> Can I ask how you run Windows? Is that some sort of VM or perhaps on
>>> other hardware?
>
>> I just run Windows (now 11) on a (HP) laptop in normal native mode. So
>> no VM or anything like that.
>>
>> Perhaps the fact that I'm using Cygwin - a Unix/GNU-like environment
>> on/for Windows - is what made you ask the question?
>
> I have the impression a lot of people run Windows on a VM on their Linux
> OS. I once experimented with VirtualBox on a Windows PC, but it was
> complicated (although I followed steps provided by a YT video) and I
> felt like I didn't have enough RAM.
>
>> So for *me* I have the best of both worlds, a Unix-like environment
>> with all the commands and tools which come with that *and* a normal
>> Windows environment for my other programs.
>
> It's difficult to imagine for me. I probably need another YT vid. (-:
>
>> N.B. This posting is brought to you, courtesy editor vim (Unix),
>> newsreader tin (Unix) and personal news-server Hamster (Windows
>> (32-bit))! :-)
>
> I know if tin and - a very long time ago - I experimented with Hamster.
>
Cygwin is a native environment on Windows. Ports of applications
are done, sometimes using foreign namespaces on Windows.
Notice in the following example, disktype ends in EXE and is a PE32
in this particular case.
For example, I downloaded "disktype" in the Cygwin tree, and
it is invoked this way in a Windows command prompt. Cygwin presumably
also has a terminal to use (like msys in MinGW32). I keep this
EXE and a set of DLLs in a folder, and it's a very tiny portable
runtime environment. If I didn't have this, there is no native
version of disktype (which runs on a ton of other OSes, just not Windows).
It was made available to us, via Cygwin.
disktype.exe /dev/sda # /dev/sda is not Windows terminology, but equates to Disk 0
And that would tell you what all the partition types were. GPT containers,
some of them are generic, and Microsoft Basic Data partition can contain
NTFS, ExFAT, ReFS? and so you can't tell what is in one of those, without
sniffing the header (a precursor to a mount operation by the OS).
Various things have been ported in Cygwin, and their
library DLLs sort the differences between what the original
program wanted to do, and what Windows offers as a namespace.
*******
VirtualBox RAM requirements vary according to the OS you are
running as a Guest. A Win11 Guest would be 4GB. A Win98 Guest
would be 256MB, or one sixteenth as much RAM. In the old days,
on a relatively small machine, I was able to run three VMs
at the same time. One of them being that Win98 VM.
If all the OSes you run as Guests, are gulping down the RAM, then
yes, you need a large machine.
At the current time, the price of RAM is rising again. I think
DDR5 may have gone up by 50% in price. DDR4 has gone up in
price, because the companies stopped making it, and then maybe
one of them started making it again (as the computing market is
split in weird ways, and DDR4 is being marketed as a solution
for third world countries). AMD keeps rebranding old CPUs
and releasing them in other parts of the world ("exclusively")
so we cannot buy those CPUs here and we buy 9800X3D instead.
In any case, if you wanted RAM now, we had excuses in the past
why it was expensive, and we have a new set of excuses this week.
Oh, to be a middleman and make a fast buck.
DDR3 has been out of production for at least a year, and
the inventory state of the industry was poor. There are
some funny looking offerings which appear to be coming
from China. But if I went to my local computer store and
asked about DDR3, they would show me a bare shelf. In the
past, when I wanted DDR2 after it was discontinued three
or four years previous, I was able to buy some CAS5 enthusiast
RAM at the store here. Which I considered at the time to be unusual,
as in the previous couple years, all you could get was some
relatively shitty (runs too hot) CAS6. The CAS5 ran cool and was
great stuff (but the motherboard died :-/ ).
On the one hand, four hundred million PCs (with RAM sticks inside),
could be thrown away, while on the other hand, new RAM sticks
are getting expensive. That's the weather report this week.
Without looking, I would guess the refurbished computers would
be rising in price, to harvest profit while it can be made.
The refurb price will drop on Jan 15 2026, as part of the cycle.
No one Fears On Missing Out (FOMO) in January, so the price drops.
Paul
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 14:29 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mmmgabFdqprU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #189037 |
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 18:55:30 -0400, Paul wrote: > Cygwin is a native environment on Windows. Ports of applications > are done, sometimes using foreign namespaces on Windows. > > Notice in the following example, disktype ends in EXE and is a PE32 > in this particular case. > > For example, I downloaded "disktype" in the Cygwin tree, and > it is invoked this way in a Windows command prompt. 8< snip >8 So Unix command lines under Windows? > VirtualBox RAM requirements vary according to the OS you are > running as a Guest. A Win11 Guest would be 4GB. A Win98 Guest > would be 256MB, or one sixteenth as much RAM. In the old days, > on a relatively small machine, I was able to run three VMs > at the same time. One of them being that Win98 VM. > > If all the OSes you run as Guests, are gulping down the RAM, then > yes, you need a large machine. 8< snip - RAM prices >8 I have 16 GB (15,7 GiB) of RAM (DDR4, dual channel) and using W11 and 7,7 GiB is being used atm. That's probably enough to run something like Linux Mint, but it's a hassle to set up VirtualBox. Lucky for me, there are YT videos. -- s|b
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 05:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10e4lmr$15pj2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #189025 |
On Fri, 10/31/2025 2:48 PM, s|b wrote:
> On 31 Oct 2025 13:58:27 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
>> s|b wrote:
>>>
>>> Can I ask how you run Windows? Is that some sort of VM or perhaps on
>>> other hardware?
>
>> I just run Windows (now 11) on a (HP) laptop in normal native mode. So
>> no VM or anything like that.
>>
>> Perhaps the fact that I'm using Cygwin - a Unix/GNU-like environment
>> on/for Windows - is what made you ask the question?
>
> I have the impression a lot of people run Windows on a VM on their Linux
> OS. I once experimented with VirtualBox on a Windows PC, but it was
> complicated (although I followed steps provided by a YT video) and I
> felt like I didn't have enough RAM.
>
>> So for *me* I have the best of both worlds, a Unix-like environment
>> with all the commands and tools which come with that *and* a normal
>> Windows environment for my other programs.
>
> It's difficult to imagine for me. I probably need another YT vid. (-:
>
>> N.B. This posting is brought to you, courtesy editor vim (Unix),
>> newsreader tin (Unix) and personal news-server Hamster (Windows
>> (32-bit))! :-)
>
> I know if tin and - a very long time ago - I experimented with Hamster.
>
Here is a picture of a Cygwin tree in Windows, under the C: drive.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/xCvsKMYT/cygwin-in-windows.gif
There are EXE files in the bin directory there.
For example:
C:\cygwin\bin\dd --help
Usage: /usr/bin/dd [OPERAND]...
or: /usr/bin/dd OPTION
Copy a file, converting and formatting according to the operands.
bs=BYTES read and write up to BYTES bytes at a time (default: 512);
overrides ibs and obs
cbs=BYTES convert BYTES bytes at a time
There is the usual set of utilities there.
It bears some similarity to this, only with
slight differences on namespace and line endings perhaps.
https://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/coreutils.htm
Paul
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-11-01 14:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mmmghcFdqprU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #189066 |
On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 05:59:54 -0400, Paul wrote: > Here is a picture of a Cygwin tree in Windows, under the C: drive. > > [Picture] > > https://i.postimg.cc/xCvsKMYT/cygwin-in-windows.gif > > There are EXE files in the bin directory there. And you simply run these under Command Prompt? > For example: > > C:\cygwin\bin\dd --help > > Usage: /usr/bin/dd [OPERAND]... > or: /usr/bin/dd OPTION > Copy a file, converting and formatting according to the operands. > > bs=BYTES read and write up to BYTES bytes at a time (default: 512); > overrides ibs and obs > cbs=BYTES convert BYTES bytes at a time > > There is the usual set of utilities there. > > It bears some similarity to this, only with > slight differences on namespace and line endings perhaps. > > https://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/coreutils.htm The usual, he says, that's a lot of utilities! (-; -- s|b
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-11-01 09:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10e537d$1a4oq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #189070 |
On Sat, 11/1/2025 9:33 AM, s|b wrote: > On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 05:59:54 -0400, Paul wrote: > >> Here is a picture of a Cygwin tree in Windows, under the C: drive. >> >> [Picture] >> >> https://i.postimg.cc/xCvsKMYT/cygwin-in-windows.gif >> >> There are EXE files in the bin directory there. > > And you simply run these under Command Prompt? > >> For example: >> >> C:\cygwin\bin\dd --help >> >> Usage: /usr/bin/dd [OPERAND]... >> or: /usr/bin/dd OPTION >> Copy a file, converting and formatting according to the operands. >> >> bs=BYTES read and write up to BYTES bytes at a time (default: 512); >> overrides ibs and obs >> cbs=BYTES convert BYTES bytes at a time >> >> There is the usual set of utilities there. >> >> It bears some similarity to this, only with >> slight differences on namespace and line endings perhaps. >> >> https://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/coreutils.htm > > The usual, he says, that's a lot of utilities! (-; > I'm an omnivore, and I'm showing you where I eat lunch. There are lots of little toys. Some are occasionally useful. And, I'm not a apex predator. I don't do Docker for example. There are always tricks that are not on the machine. Paul
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 16:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mmmm7uFempvU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #189073 |
On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 09:50:35 -0400, Paul wrote: > I'm an omnivore, and I'm showing you where I eat lunch. > There are lots of little toys. Some are occasionally useful. > > And, I'm not a apex predator. I don't do Docker for example. > There are always tricks that are not on the machine. That's funny. I have a notion of Docker and would like to know more about it. I have 2 RPis running Pi-Hole and Unbound (apparently that's "bare metal") and learned about Docker. -- s|b
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 20:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10e5qd2$1h87f$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #189075 |
On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 16:11:01 +0100, s|b wrote: > I have a notion of Docker and would like to know more about it. There are many different container technologies available for Linux, ranging from the most basic (LXC, systemd-nspawn) up to the more elaborate (Docker, this new thing called “Kata”, and who knows what else). They are all built on common core Linux facilities, namely cgroups and namespaces. Those are the primitives offered by the Linux kernel: it does not (directly) define the concept of “containers” as such.
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| From | Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 17:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <9c0dgktji57raff4lff0km7johkgq164h2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #189025 |
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 19:48:06 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: >I have the impression a lot of people run Windows on a VM on their Linux >OS. That's one way, but every permutation is possible. My two VM hosts run Win 10 and 8.1, respectively. My VMs are a mix of Win (98 (not used often), XP, 7, 8.1, and 10, plus an assortment of Linux stuff, mostly clones of a Ubuntu build I got from somewhere a long time ago and updated periodically over the years. I had a Mac VM for a while, but I didn't know what to do with it so it's gone. I also have a bunch of virtual network appliance stuff, such as routers and firewalls, that I use frequently.
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| From | Felix <none@not.here> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-10-31 11:28 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <mmie5uFn8vbU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #188995 |
Frank Slootweg wrote: > s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: > [...] > >> I've been playing with various Linux distributions for years now. Mostly >> live USB and on a rare occasion an old computer. Now I have a laptop >> with Linux Mint to experiment. >> >> The main thing that hold me back is the loss of the freeware that I use >> on W11. The only paid software I have is W11, Dashcam Viewer and Forté >> Agent and I definitely don't want to loose that. I know it runs under >> Wine (sort of), but it doesn't support SSL, so I would have to work with >> something like stunnel. > Exactly! "It's the apps, stupid!" No point changing to a 'better' OS > if it can't run your software. > > That's why I, a Unix/UNIX veteran, still use Windows. For historical > (hysterical?) reasons, I'm using Windows. Way, way too much effort to > switch to a 'better' OS. And *why*? To *lose* functionality/ > compatibility? Yeah right! LM (Linux Mint) is easier and simpler to use than Windows will ever be. Software manager installs programs with just one click, and does updates for them, installs all needed drivers and keeps them updated. Timeshift backs up your system and files daily. It's a complete 'in house' system, everything is done for you. and the OS and software is all free, no accounts necessary, and no M$ controlling and monitoring everything you do. I'm so glad I switched. >> I could try and see which ones run under Wine or I could search for >> alternatives that run under Linux. -- Linux Mint 22.2 Q: What's the difference between Linux and Windows? A: You rule Linux, Microsoft Windows rules you
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 08:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10e29oa$fe95$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #189017 |
On Thu, 10/30/2025 8:28 PM, Felix wrote:
>
> LM (Linux Mint) is easier and simpler to use than Windows will ever be. Software manager installs programs with just one click, and does updates for them, installs all needed drivers and keeps them updated. Timeshift backs up your system and files daily. It's a complete 'in house' system, everything is done for you. and the OS and software is all free, no accounts necessary, and no M$ controlling and monitoring everything you do. I'm so glad I switched.
We don't do advocacy in the Windows group as a rule, but for the comedic value only, here is a table.
+
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
LM (Linux Mint) is easier and simpler to use than Windows will ever be. + I have icons on my desktop :-) [a reference to Gnome]
+
Software manager installs programs with just one click, + Run a program installer, it installs.
+
and does updates for them, + Implemented on Metro.Apps, both inbox and third party
+ A few win32 progs install "updater service" for their updates (FFX,TB,Goog)
+
installs all needed drivers and keeps them updated. + The OS downloaded and installed the drivers (W10/W11) at install time
+
Timeshift backs up your system and files daily. + W7backup, File History (large number of third party products, 30+)
+ MS Utilities are "rough, unfinished", so as to not eliminate partner products.
+
It's a complete 'in house' system, everything is done for you. + You can do things for yourself, follow a whim if you like (Marion)
+
and the OS and software is all free, no accounts necessary, + The grace period on the OS is now "infinity", not "30 days" (can run unlicensed)
+
and no M$ controlling and monitoring everything you do. + Diagnostic Data Viewer (gives breakdown of telemetry, but still cryptic)
+
I'm so glad I switched. + The grass is always greener, somewhere, just not where you're standing
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The OSes don't really "invent" a lot of stuff.
But they copy from one another, incessantly and at high speed.
This is why I don't bother with advocacy. We'd be arguing about
how one OS uses TimesRoman and the other uses ComicSans, we
would be arguing about our tastes in pastel colors and whether
our corners were rounded.
Did you know I had rounded corners and drop shadows on my desktop ?
Big deal. Those rounded corners were copied from somewhere.
If, on the other hand, we were discussing performance,
then there are significant differences between platforms.
But you can't do that, without using the items, can't
detect the differences. Firefox runs smoother on Linux,
and I can't tell whether it is a "threads" design issue
or something at the process level. Firefox rails on Javascript
easier on Windows, than on Linux. A "failure to respond"
report on Windows, for the same set of conditions the
browser remains responsive on Linux, implying that perhaps
threads have execution limiters. Or the thread scheduling
uses a different method (round robin, strict priority, and
so on). Threads are supposed to be lightweight, which means
the theoreticians can't go crazy with heavyweight solutions.
On the issue of accounts, the Daily Driver I'm using to make this
post, has an MSA account on it. *None* of the other vast array
of "regular" installs here, has an MSA. How is that possible ?
It's easy when you know how. I need at least one MSA, so I can
see how it behaves. There is an MSA on the Insider Edition of
Windows, which I run on this same machine occasionally.
Paul
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| From | Felix <none@not.here> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 23:37 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <mmjosjFptvdU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #189020 |
Paul wrote: > On Thu, 10/30/2025 8:28 PM, Felix wrote: >> LM (Linux Mint) is easier and simpler to use than Windows will ever be. Software manager installs programs with just one click, and does updates for them, installs all needed drivers and keeps them updated. Timeshift backs up your system and files daily. It's a complete 'in house' system, everything is done for you. and the OS and software is all free, no accounts necessary, and no M$ controlling and monitoring everything you do. I'm so glad I switched. > We don't do advocacy in the Windows group as a rule, but for the comedic value only, here is a table. > > + > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > LM (Linux Mint) is easier and simpler to use than Windows will ever be. + I have icons on my desktop :-) [a reference to Gnome] > + > Software manager installs programs with just one click, + Run a program installer, it installs. > + > and does updates for them, + Implemented on Metro.Apps, both inbox and third party > + A few win32 progs install "updater service" for their updates (FFX,TB,Goog) > + > installs all needed drivers and keeps them updated. + The OS downloaded and installed the drivers (W10/W11) at install time > + > Timeshift backs up your system and files daily. + W7backup, File History (large number of third party products, 30+) > + MS Utilities are "rough, unfinished", so as to not eliminate partner products. > + > It's a complete 'in house' system, everything is done for you. + You can do things for yourself, follow a whim if you like (Marion) > + > and the OS and software is all free, no accounts necessary, + The grace period on the OS is now "infinity", not "30 days" (can run unlicensed) > + > and no M$ controlling and monitoring everything you do. + Diagnostic Data Viewer (gives breakdown of telemetry, but still cryptic) > + > I'm so glad I switched. + The grass is always greener, somewhere, just not where you're standing > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > The OSes don't really "invent" a lot of stuff. > But they copy from one another, windoze was copied from Apple Mac > incessantly and at high speed. > This is why I don't bother with advocacy. We'd be arguing about > how one OS uses TimesRoman and the other uses ComicSans, we > would be arguing about our tastes in pastel colors and whether > our corners were rounded. > > Did you know I had rounded corners and drop shadows on my desktop ? > Big deal. Those rounded corners were copied from somewhere. > > If, on the other hand, we were discussing performance, > then there are significant differences between platforms. > But you can't do that, without using the items, can't > detect the differences. Firefox runs smoother on Linux, > and I can't tell whether it is a "threads" design issue > or something at the process level. Firefox rails on Javascript > easier on Windows, than on Linux. A "failure to respond" > report on Windows, for the same set of conditions the > browser remains responsive on Linux, implying that perhaps > threads have execution limiters. Or the thread scheduling > uses a different method (round robin, strict priority, and > so on). Threads are supposed to be lightweight, which means > the theoreticians can't go crazy with heavyweight solutions. > > On the issue of accounts, the Daily Driver I'm using to make this > post, has an MSA account on it. *None* of the other vast array > of "regular" installs here, has an MSA. How is that possible ? > It's easy when you know how. I need at least one MSA, so I can > see how it behaves. There is an MSA on the Insider Edition of > Windows, which I run on this same machine occasionally. > > Paul > > -- Linux Mint 22.2 Q: What's the difference between Linux and Windows? A: You rule Linux, Microsoft Windows rules you
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 19:52 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mmkeroF38pfU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #189022 |
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 23:37:39 +1100, Felix wrote: > windoze was copied from Apple Mac Ladies and gentlemen, what a comeback! -- s|b
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 20:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10e3974.34c.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #189026 |
s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: > On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 23:37:39 +1100, Felix wrote: > > > windoze was copied from Apple Mac > > Ladies and gentlemen, what a comeback! And misinformed to boot! Apple's GUI elements were *licensed to* Microsoft, not copied. (And of course these GUI elements were *part* of the Macintosh' OS, not the whole OS.) After the fact, Apple sued Microsoft (and Hewlett-Packard) and lost all the way to the Supreme Court. [First part of the 'AI Overview' from a Google search on 'apple microsoft lawsuit over windows':] "In 1988, Apple sued Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard for copyright infringement, claiming Windows' graphical user interface (GUI) illegally copied Apple's Macintosh. However, the lawsuit was largely unsuccessful for Apple because a 1985 agreement between the companies covered many of the disputed elements in Windows. The court ultimately ruled that most of Apple's claims were covered by the license or were uncopyrightable ideas, establishing that the basic concept of a GUI was not patentable." But let's make a similar - but more realistic - 'comeback': "Linux was copied from Unix."
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 13:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mmkm56F4bicU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #189029 |
Frank Slootweg wrote: > But let's make a similar - but more realistic - 'comeback': > > "Linux was copied from Unix." Copied? LT was taking a Unix course under an OS developer (AST) who had dev'd a unix-like microkernel Minix. Then LT dev/d a monolithic OS to work w/ GNU which needed a kernel. So, if designing an OS/kernel to do the same kinds of things such as system calls that unix did is 'copied', you can say that linux exhibited the same kinds of behaviors in a different environment. Linux did NOT 'copy' unix in the sense that word means in the world of *COPYRIGHT*. Minix wasn't 'free' of unix code; linux WAS free of unix code. LT said: > it's free of any minix code -- Mike Easter
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 23:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10e3f6i$rpu5$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #189032 |
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 13:57:10 -0700, Mike Easter wrote: > Linux did NOT 'copy' unix in the sense that word means in the world of > *COPYRIGHT*. “Unix” nowadays is just a trademark. If you use it to refer to the original AT&T/Bell Labs code--none of that is worth copying any more.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-11-01 16:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10e5etl.3rc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #189032 |
Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote: > Frank Slootweg wrote: > > But let's make a similar - but more realistic - 'comeback': > > > > "Linux was copied from Unix." > > Copied? Your snipping (and not reading?) resulted in a case of sarchasm. It was mockery of Felix' "windoze was copied from Apple Mac" comment. [...]
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 11:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mmn07lFg6maU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #189079 |
Frank Slootweg wrote: > Your snipping (and not reading?) resulted in a case of sarchasm. Ha! I like sarchasm :-) -- Mike Easter
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