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| Started by | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| First post | 2025-02-28 20:09 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-03-06 16:19 +0100 |
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What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-28 20:09 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-28 21:00 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-02-28 23:56 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-01 00:21 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-01 02:53 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-01 06:24 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-01 06:49 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-01 07:21 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-01 20:23 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-02 03:18 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Peter Flynn <peter@silmaril.ie> - 2025-03-03 21:38 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 23:35 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-04 02:35 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 03:13 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-04 03:31 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-04 20:18 +0100
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Peter Flynn <peter@silmaril.ie> - 2025-03-04 22:32 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 23:32 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Peter Flynn <peter@silmaril.ie> - 2025-03-05 22:08 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-01 20:17 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-02 03:02 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 22:03 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-03 03:17 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays G <g@nowhere.invalid> - 2025-03-03 09:19 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-03 17:01 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays G <g@nowhere.invalid> - 2025-03-03 19:08 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-04 03:52 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 04:41 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Tim Slattery <TimSlattery@utexas.edu> - 2025-03-04 10:23 -0500
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Peter Flynn <peter@silmaril.ie> - 2025-03-04 22:39 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-03-04 21:28 -0700
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-05 01:39 -0500
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-05 20:48 +1100
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 02:18 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-06 18:12 +1100
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-03-06 12:22 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-06 10:45 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-06 12:50 +0100
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Peter Flynn <peter@silmaril.ie> - 2025-03-07 22:36 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-08 01:04 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-05 13:26 +0100
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-05 09:04 -0500
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-05 09:33 -0500
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-05 21:11 +0100
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-05 14:39 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-05 14:59 -0500
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-05 21:24 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-06 00:45 -0500
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-06 10:54 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-05 21:12 +0100
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2025-03-04 19:13 +0300
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Peter Flynn <peter@silmaril.ie> - 2025-03-04 22:43 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 23:34 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-04 23:58 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> - 2025-03-04 19:11 -0500
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2025-03-05 12:50 +0300
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2025-03-05 16:50 -0500
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-04 23:24 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Peter Flynn <peter@silmaril.ie> - 2025-03-05 22:39 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-03-06 12:17 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-06 13:33 +0100
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Peter Flynn <peter@silmaril.ie> - 2025-03-07 22:43 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-04 23:53 +0000
Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays Michael Logies <logies@t-online.de> - 2025-03-06 16:19 +0100
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-06 13:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <19ho9lxsp.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #182799 |
On 2025-03-06 13:17, Philip Herlihy wrote: > In article <m2s253FjseU2@mid.individual.net>, peter@silmaril.ie says... >> This is called "imposition". Printing a book means arranging the pages >> (usually) 16 (possibly 32) per side of a very large sheet (and therefore >> 16 the other side) making a "signature", laid out so that when folded >> and folded and folded etc and trimmed, page 1 has page 2 on the back of >> it; then repeat for the next 32 (or 64) pages, and repeat, etc until all >> X00 pages are accounted for. Printed off a reel of paper (confusingly >> called a web) nowadays, and slit to sheets before folding. Then stacked >> together, the spines abraded and glued (or sewn with thread for fancy >> books), then draw on the cover (printed separately on board), glue it, >> and give it a final trim. >> >> >> > > I don't know what the international availability of this is, but this is > a BBC program detailing how hardback books are manufactured, with a good > discussion of "imposition". > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0027f48/inside-the-factory- > series-9-5-hardback-books > > (rejoin link with no whitespace) In Spain, I get: Sorry, BBC iPlayer isn’t available in your region. It looks like you’re outside of the UK. BBC iPlayer is only available in the UK. If you are using a proxy or VPN, please turn off any of these services and try again. For help, please go to iPlayer help and FAQs -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Peter Flynn <peter@silmaril.ie> |
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| Date | 2025-03-07 22:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m31b4kFp6pcU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #182799 |
On 06/03/2025 12:17, Philip Herlihy wrote: > I don't know what the international availability of this is, but this is > a BBC program detailing how hardback books are manufactured, with a good > discussion of "imposition". I watched that the other night. Very well done, although it omitted the slicing, folding, and stacking in signatures. I used to live near there. > https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0027f48/inside-the-factory-series-9-5-hardback-books That's an iPlayer link, AFAIK not available outside the UK. The normal BBC programme description is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0027f48 Peter
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-04 23:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vq83pv$22l5$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #182762 |
On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 19:13:33 +0300, Anton Shepelev wrote : >> [?] Print book format PDF (FinePrint payware) > > I believe LaTeX has packages for that. I have produced PDF > booklets from Postscrpt, with psbook and psnup. The > incoming PostScipt was mine, from either LaTeX or GNU Troff. Thanks for that suggestion as, in the past, I printed booklets. Printing a booklet requires arranging both sides of the pages in a specific order so that when the 8.5x11-inch printed sheets are folded in half, the pages appear in the correct sequence as if they were in a booklet. >> [x] Convert PDF to MSWord or any epub format & vice versa (Calibre) >> [x] Edit PDF existing text (Adobe Reader commenting, Acrobat payware) >> [x] Globally search & replace PDF text (Libre Office) > > PDF is meant to be a final format not meant for editing. > Keep it so. Understood. But sometimes you want to make minor edits when all you have is the PDF and not the original document. This happens a lot, it turns out. However, back to the printing of booklets, that's one thing I had trouble finding free (as in no cost) software as printing a booklet from folded 8.5x11-inch paper is more complex than standard printing, especially when dealing with double-sided printing and odd numbers of pages & title pages. I'm aware of "pdfbook", but, alas, that requires Python (aurgh!, again!) on Windows, but luckily, pdfbook should be easier to use on Linux & Mac. <https://pdfbook.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Installation.html> Unfortunately, the "examples" provided are, um, shall we say underwhelming? <https://pdfbook.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Examples.html> Digging a bit, I think something like this pdfbook command may work: pdfbook input.pdf --paper letter --outfile output-booklet.pdf Supposedly that pdfbook command will consider the number of pages in the input.pdf to then automatically order the pages so that when folded, the pages are in the correct order. Can someone with Python installed test it out on a sample PDF for us? >> [x] Extract images (PDF Exchange Viewer, PDF Shaper) > > SumatraPDF Thanks for that suggestion. Googling it, apparently SumatraPDF can *manually* copy an image which you can then paste into an image editor. It turns out, I think, based on what I found anyway, that SumatraPDF uses an underlying MuPDF library to extract images, so as a result of your advice, I'll add muPDF to the line for extracting images. While I was looking that up, I found that the free (no cost) PDF-XChange Editor also can extract images from a PDF, so I'll add that too. I think I'm going to have to give up on keeping it one line per item. [x] Extract images (PDF Exchange Editor, PDF Shaper, PDFgear, poppler, muPDF) >> [x] Reorder pages (mutool) >> [x] Rotate pages (Acrobat Reader) > > pdftk of course. Thanks for that suggestion. Checking rotate first, it seems that the pdftoolkit rotation of 180 degrees is a great suggestion. Much appreciated. pdftk input.pdf cat 1-endsouth output output.pdf Looking that up, I found that mutool can also rotate, e.g., for 180 degrees mutool convert -R 180 input.pdf output.pdf I found out in that search that the GUIs for PDF-XChange Editor (free) and PDF Arranger (free) can also rotate pages and save to a new PDF file. Apparently Acrobat READER can only rotate the view, but it can't SAVE the rotated results, so I'll remove Acrobat Reader from that rotation line. [x] Rotate pages (pdftk, mutool, PDF-XChange Editor, PDF Arranger) Now looking at the reordering of pages (which is really a duplicate of inserting and deleting pages, isn't it?) the same programs can re-order pages, but (as above) the latter two do it graphically, and pdftk is better at it than mutool is, but all of them can reorder pages nonetheless. For example, to flip the order of page 2 and 3 in a pdf using pdftk: pdftk input.pdf cat 1 3 2 4-end output output.pdf But it turned out to be difficult with mutool (possible but difficult). So I removed muTool because it's just too complicated to reorder with it. [x] Reorder pages (pdftk, PDF-XChange Editor, PDF Arranger) Thanks for pointing out the omissions. >> What are your suggestions (so that everyone benefits from >> your knowledge)? > > The obvious one -- typsetting software for producing PDFs > from text, e.g.: LaTeX, (GNU) Troff. LaTeX seems to be what we have to fall back on when, for example, pdfbook primarily focuses on the page reordering aspect of booklet creation (although I'm confused since I saw mention that pdfbook is in the pdfjam package, which can be installed within a TeX distribution so maybe it can all be put together for everyone to easily output booket-style PDFs?). As noted, LaTeX has sophisticated built-in features to analyze the content of the PDF to more intelligently handle page breaks to avoid splitting images or creating an awkward text flow. Digging a bit into LaTeX (which I've never used myself), MiKTeX & TeX Live seem to be free (no cost) Windows, Linux & Mac "modern" TeX distributions. <https://miktex.org/howto/install-miktex> <https://math.asu.edu/resources/computer-resources/texlive-windows> Also TeXstudio or TeXworks appear to be free (no cost) LaTeX editors. <https://www.texstudio.org/> <https://www.tug.org/texworks/> Since the expensive cost of free (no cost) software is in the trials and tribulations to find the best ones that work, does anyone have experience with any of the distributions above for creating a booklet style PDF?
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| From | Michael Logies <logies@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2025-03-06 16:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <07fjsjlv81stau5919bi8nltgfhfvtdlot@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #182637 |
I use: https://www.pdf24.org/en
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