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  Windows Menu System "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2025-02-21 13:08 -0900
    Re: Windows Menu System "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-02-21 17:16 -0500
      Re: Windows Menu System Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-22 10:43 +0000
        Re: Windows Menu System "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2025-02-22 08:26 -0900
          Re: Windows Menu System "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-02-22 12:45 -0500
            Re: Windows Menu System Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-22 19:08 +0000
              Re: Windows Menu System "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-02-22 15:10 -0500
              Re: Windows Menu System Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-23 11:26 +0000
                Re: Windows Menu System "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2025-02-23 09:17 -0900
                  Re: Windows Menu System Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-23 18:41 +0000
                    Re: Windows Menu System "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2025-02-24 07:56 -0900
                      Re: Windows Menu System Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-24 12:51 -0500
                      Re: Windows Menu System Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-24 18:23 +0000
                        Re: Windows Menu System "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2025-02-25 08:25 -0900
                      Re: Windows Menu System "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 05:02 -0800
    Re: Windows Menu System Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-22 13:25 -0500
      Re: Windows Menu System "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-02-22 15:12 -0500
        Re: Windows Menu System Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-22 19:17 -0500

#182462 — Windows Menu System

I use Open Shell on my computers except for a Windows 10 tablet.  I am 
trying to build a menu system with various levels.  I know there are at 
least 2 programs out there that are suppose to simplify this.  You are 
suppose be able to do this with shortcuts but I can not get it to work. 
Would somebody provide the names of those menu programs?
-- 
<Bill>

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#182463

On 2/21/25 05:08 PM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
> I use Open Shell on my computers except for a Windows 10 tablet.  I am
> trying to build a menu system with various levels.  I know there are at
> least 2 programs out there that are suppose to simplify this.  You are
> suppose be able to do this with shortcuts but I can not get it to work.
> Would somebody provide the names of those menu programs?
Why do you need a menu program?

Couldn't you just make folders in:
	C:/ProgramData/Microsoft/Windows/Start Menu/Programs
I made one "--My Programs--"
then dragged 2 dozen or so links from other places.   Everything is consolidated now under 
that one folder.  And since the folder name is -- it sorts at the top.

-- 
Linux Mint 22.1, Cinnamon 6.4.7,  Kernel 6.8.0-53-generic
Thunderbird 128.7.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 135.0
     Alan K.

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#182473

Alan K. <alan@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 2/21/25 05:08 PM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
> > I use Open Shell on my computers except for a Windows 10 tablet.  I am
> > trying to build a menu system with various levels.  I know there are at
> > least 2 programs out there that are suppose to simplify this.  You are
> > suppose be able to do this with shortcuts but I can not get it to work.
> > Would somebody provide the names of those menu programs?
>
> Why do you need a menu program?
> 
> Couldn't you just make folders in:
>         C:/ProgramData/Microsoft/Windows/Start Menu/Programs
> I made one "--My Programs--" then dragged 2 dozen or so links from
> other places.   Everything is consolidated now under that one folder.
> And since the folder name is -- it sorts at the top.

  Exactly. That's what the ...\Start Menu\Programs folder (and its user-
specific counterpart [1]) is for. Anything you add there is reflected in
the native Start menu and in the Open-Shell Menu.

  As to "with various levels", the standard menu has already two levels.
No reason why you can't add any number of more levels.

  So you (Bill) should probably explain why you think the standard
Windows ...\Start Menu\Programs folders can not do what you want.

[1] C:\Users\<users>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

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#182480

Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Alan K. <alan@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 2/21/25 05:08 PM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
>>> I use Open Shell on my computers except for a Windows 10 tablet.  I
>>> am trying to build a menu system with various levels.  I know there
>>> are at least 2 programs out there that are suppose to simplify
>>> this.  You are suppose be able to do this with shortcuts but I can
>>> not get it to work. Would somebody provide the names of those menu
>>> programs?
>>
>> Why do you need a menu program?
>>
>> Couldn't you just make folders in:
>>         C:/ProgramData/Microsoft/Windows/Start Menu/Programs
>> I made one "--My Programs--" then dragged 2 dozen or so links from
>> other places.   Everything is consolidated now under that one folder.
>> And since the folder name is -- it sorts at the top.
>
>  Exactly. That's what the ...\Start Menu\Programs folder (and its
> user- specific counterpart [1]) is for. Anything you add there is
> reflected in the native Start menu and in the Open-Shell Menu.
>
>  As to "with various levels", the standard menu has already two
> levels. No reason why you can't add any number of more levels.
>
>  So you (Bill) should probably explain why you think the standard
> Windows ...\Start Menu\Programs folders can not do what you want.
>
> [1] C:\Users\<users>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start
> Menu\Programs

I can already do the above.  What I want to do is put folders under folders. 
Top folder System Utilities > Backup > Macrium & EaseUS.
-- 
<Bill>

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska 

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#182481

On 2/22/25 12:26 PM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> Alan K. <alan@invalid.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/21/25 05:08 PM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
>>>> I use Open Shell on my computers except for a Windows 10 tablet.  I
>>>> am trying to build a menu system with various levels.  I know there
>>>> are at least 2 programs out there that are suppose to simplify
>>>> this.  You are suppose be able to do this with shortcuts but I can
>>>> not get it to work. Would somebody provide the names of those menu
>>>> programs?
>>>
>>> Why do you need a menu program?
>>>
>>> Couldn't you just make folders in:
>>>          C:/ProgramData/Microsoft/Windows/Start Menu/Programs
>>> I made one "--My Programs--" then dragged 2 dozen or so links from
>>> other places.   Everything is consolidated now under that one folder.
>>> And since the folder name is -- it sorts at the top.
>>
>>   Exactly. That's what the ...\Start Menu\Programs folder (and its
>> user- specific counterpart [1]) is for. Anything you add there is
>> reflected in the native Start menu and in the Open-Shell Menu.
>>
>>   As to "with various levels", the standard menu has already two
>> levels. No reason why you can't add any number of more levels.
>>
>>   So you (Bill) should probably explain why you think the standard
>> Windows ...\Start Menu\Programs folders can not do what you want.
>>
>> [1] C:\Users\<users>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start
>> Menu\Programs
> 
> I can already do the above.  What I want to do is put folders under folders.
> Top folder System Utilities > Backup > Macrium & EaseUS.
The above works for a single folder but yes, I don't think making subfolders works.
Microsoft wants to extract all links to the main menu, or at least the 'all programs' 
list.  Been doing that since, well forever.   It groups your personal menu and the system 
menu too.  So you're dead trying to get subs.

If that's what you want, yep, you need a third party program.

-- 
Linux Mint 22.1, Cinnamon 6.4.7,  Kernel 6.8.0-53-generic
Thunderbird 128.7.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 135.0
     Alan K.

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#182484

Alan K. <alan@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 2/22/25 12:26 PM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
> > Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> Alan K. <alan@invalid.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2/21/25 05:08 PM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
> >>>> I use Open Shell on my computers except for a Windows 10 tablet.  I
> >>>> am trying to build a menu system with various levels.  I know there
> >>>> are at least 2 programs out there that are suppose to simplify
> >>>> this.  You are suppose be able to do this with shortcuts but I can
> >>>> not get it to work. Would somebody provide the names of those menu
> >>>> programs?
> >>>
> >>> Why do you need a menu program?
> >>>
> >>> Couldn't you just make folders in:
> >>>          C:/ProgramData/Microsoft/Windows/Start Menu/Programs
> >>> I made one "--My Programs--" then dragged 2 dozen or so links from
> >>> other places.   Everything is consolidated now under that one folder.
> >>> And since the folder name is -- it sorts at the top.
> >>
> >>   Exactly. That's what the ...\Start Menu\Programs folder (and its
> >> user- specific counterpart [1]) is for. Anything you add there is
> >> reflected in the native Start menu and in the Open-Shell Menu.
> >>
> >>   As to "with various levels", the standard menu has already two
> >> levels. No reason why you can't add any number of more levels.
> >>
> >>   So you (Bill) should probably explain why you think the standard
> >> Windows ...\Start Menu\Programs folders can not do what you want.
> >>
> >> [1] C:\Users\<users>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start
> >> Menu\Programs
> > 
> > I can already do the above.  What I want to do is put folders under folders.
> > Top folder System Utilities > Backup > Macrium & EaseUS.
>
> The above works for a single folder but yes, I don't think making
> subfolders works.  Microsoft wants to extract all links to the main
> menu, or at least the 'all programs' list.  Been doing that since,
> well forever.   It groups your personal menu and the system menu too.
> So you're dead trying to get subs.
>
> If that's what you want, yep, you need a third party program.

  Doesn't Windows just traverse the folder trees in 
C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs and
C:\Users\<users>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs?

  As I wrote, the standard menu already has two levels (Accessories\
System Tools), so why can't Bill have the two levels he wants?

  So I think he should just try it: Create a 'System Utilities' top
folder, create a 'Backup' folder in it and then copy and paste (copy
instead of cut, just to be safe) the current Macrium and EaseUS folders
to the Backup folder (or is "Macrium & EaseUS" one folder?) . Easy to
try. If it doesn't work, he can always look for something else.

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#182488

On 2/22/25 02:08 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Alan K. <alan@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 2/22/25 12:26 PM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
>>> Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>> Alan K. <alan@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2/21/25 05:08 PM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
>>>>>> I use Open Shell on my computers except for a Windows 10 tablet.  I
>>>>>> am trying to build a menu system with various levels.  I know there
>>>>>> are at least 2 programs out there that are suppose to simplify
>>>>>> this.  You are suppose be able to do this with shortcuts but I can
>>>>>> not get it to work. Would somebody provide the names of those menu
>>>>>> programs?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you need a menu program?
>>>>>
>>>>> Couldn't you just make folders in:
>>>>>           C:/ProgramData/Microsoft/Windows/Start Menu/Programs
>>>>> I made one "--My Programs--" then dragged 2 dozen or so links from
>>>>> other places.   Everything is consolidated now under that one folder.
>>>>> And since the folder name is -- it sorts at the top.
>>>>
>>>>    Exactly. That's what the ...\Start Menu\Programs folder (and its
>>>> user- specific counterpart [1]) is for. Anything you add there is
>>>> reflected in the native Start menu and in the Open-Shell Menu.
>>>>
>>>>    As to "with various levels", the standard menu has already two
>>>> levels. No reason why you can't add any number of more levels.
>>>>
>>>>    So you (Bill) should probably explain why you think the standard
>>>> Windows ...\Start Menu\Programs folders can not do what you want.
>>>>
>>>> [1] C:\Users\<users>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start
>>>> Menu\Programs
>>>
>>> I can already do the above.  What I want to do is put folders under folders.
>>> Top folder System Utilities > Backup > Macrium & EaseUS.
>>
>> The above works for a single folder but yes, I don't think making
>> subfolders works.  Microsoft wants to extract all links to the main
>> menu, or at least the 'all programs' list.  Been doing that since,
>> well forever.   It groups your personal menu and the system menu too.
>> So you're dead trying to get subs.
>>
>> If that's what you want, yep, you need a third party program.
> 
>    Doesn't Windows just traverse the folder trees in
> C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs and
> C:\Users\<users>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs?
> 
Yep, gathers them all up together.
>    As I wrote, the standard menu already has two levels (Accessories\
> System Tools), so why can't Bill have the two levels he wants?
> 
>    So I think he should just try it: Create a 'System Utilities' top
> folder, create a 'Backup' folder in it and then copy and paste (copy
> instead of cut, just to be safe) the current Macrium and EaseUS folders
> to the Backup folder (or is "Macrium & EaseUS" one folder?) . Easy to
> try. If it doesn't work, he can always look for something else.


-- 
Linux Mint 22.1, Cinnamon 6.4.7,  Kernel 6.8.0-53-generic
Thunderbird 128.7.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 135.0
     Alan K.

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#182502

Yesterday, I wrote:

>   Doesn't Windows just traverse the folder trees in 
> C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs and
> C:\Users\<users>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs?
> 
>   As I wrote, the standard menu already has two levels (Accessories\
> System Tools), so why can't Bill have the two levels he wants?
> 
>   So I think he should just try it: Create a 'System Utilities' top
> folder, create a 'Backup' folder in it and then copy and paste (copy
> instead of cut, just to be safe) the current Macrium and EaseUS folders
> to the Backup folder (or is "Macrium & EaseUS" one folder?) . Easy to
> try. If it doesn't work, he can always look for something else.

  I just tried what I suggested above and it works as expected.

  In Open-Shell Menu, I can now just do:

Start -> Programs -> System Utilities -> Backup -> Macrium -> Reflect ->
Macrium Reflect

  That starts Macrium Reflect, just like it did (does because I copied
instead of cut) for:

Start -> Programs -> Macrium -> Reflect -> Macrium Reflect

  I didn't find 'System Utilities' in the native (Windows 11) Start
menu, but that was not the purpose of this exercise. Perhaps it will
appear after a re-login or reboot, who knows?

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#182513

Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Yesterday, I wrote:
>
>>   Doesn't Windows just traverse the folder trees in
>> C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs and
>> C:\Users\<users>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start
>> Menu\Programs?
>>
>>   As I wrote, the standard menu already has two levels (Accessories\
>> System Tools), so why can't Bill have the two levels he wants?
>>
>>   So I think he should just try it: Create a 'System Utilities' top
>> folder, create a 'Backup' folder in it and then copy and paste (copy
>> instead of cut, just to be safe) the current Macrium and EaseUS
>> folders to the Backup folder (or is "Macrium & EaseUS" one folder?)
>> . Easy to try. If it doesn't work, he can always look for something
>> else.
>
>  I just tried what I suggested above and it works as expected.
>
>  In Open-Shell Menu, I can now just do:
>
> Start -> Programs -> System Utilities -> Backup -> Macrium -> Reflect
> -> Macrium Reflect
>
>  That starts Macrium Reflect, just like it did (does because I copied
> instead of cut) for:
>
> Start -> Programs -> Macrium -> Reflect -> Macrium Reflect
>
>  I didn't find 'System Utilities' in the native (Windows 11) Start
> menu, but that was not the purpose of this exercise. Perhaps it will
> appear after a re-login or reboot, who knows?

I installed Open Shell which I use on the other computers and just used one 
of the config files to set it.  Easier and I know the program.

Thanks,

<Bill> 

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#182517

Bill Bradshaw <bradshaw@gci.net> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Yesterday, I wrote:
> >
> >>   Doesn't Windows just traverse the folder trees in
> >> C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs and
> >> C:\Users\<users>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start
> >> Menu\Programs?
> >>
> >>   As I wrote, the standard menu already has two levels (Accessories\
> >> System Tools), so why can't Bill have the two levels he wants?
> >>
> >>   So I think he should just try it: Create a 'System Utilities' top
> >> folder, create a 'Backup' folder in it and then copy and paste (copy
> >> instead of cut, just to be safe) the current Macrium and EaseUS
> >> folders to the Backup folder (or is "Macrium & EaseUS" one folder?)
> >> . Easy to try. If it doesn't work, he can always look for something
> >> else.
> >
> >  I just tried what I suggested above and it works as expected.
> >
> >  In Open-Shell Menu, I can now just do:
> >
> > Start -> Programs -> System Utilities -> Backup -> Macrium -> Reflect
> > -> Macrium Reflect
> >
> >  That starts Macrium Reflect, just like it did (does because I copied
> > instead of cut) for:
> >
> > Start -> Programs -> Macrium -> Reflect -> Macrium Reflect
> >
> >  I didn't find 'System Utilities' in the native (Windows 11) Start
> > menu, but that was not the purpose of this exercise. Perhaps it will
> > appear after a re-login or reboot, who knows?
> 
> I installed Open Shell which I use on the other computers and just used one 
> of the config files to set it.  Easier and I know the program.
> 
> Thanks,

  I'm a bit confused.

  What do you mean by "[I] just used one of the config files to set it"?

  I'm not aware that Open-Shell Menu has any config files (just its own
Settings ("Settings for Open-Shell Menu ...")), nor what they "set".

  Did you accomplish to create/utilize

Start -> Programs -> System Utilities -> Backup -> Macrium -> Reflect
-> Macrium Reflect

(or similar) like I did?

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#182529

Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Bill Bradshaw <bradshaw@gci.net> wrote:
>> Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Yesterday, I wrote:
>>>
>>>>   Doesn't Windows just traverse the folder trees in
>>>> C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs and
>>>> C:\Users\<users>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start
>>>> Menu\Programs?
>>>>
>>>>   As I wrote, the standard menu already has two levels
>>>> (Accessories\ System Tools), so why can't Bill have the two levels
>>>> he wants?
>>>>
>>>>   So I think he should just try it: Create a 'System Utilities' top
>>>> folder, create a 'Backup' folder in it and then copy and paste
>>>> (copy instead of cut, just to be safe) the current Macrium and
>>>> EaseUS folders to the Backup folder (or is "Macrium & EaseUS" one
>>>> folder?) . Easy to try. If it doesn't work, he can always look for
>>>> something else.
>>>
>>>  I just tried what I suggested above and it works as expected.
>>>
>>>  In Open-Shell Menu, I can now just do:
>>>
>>> Start -> Programs -> System Utilities -> Backup -> Macrium ->
>>> Reflect -> Macrium Reflect
>>>
>>>  That starts Macrium Reflect, just like it did (does because I
>>> copied instead of cut) for:
>>>
>>> Start -> Programs -> Macrium -> Reflect -> Macrium Reflect
>>>
>>>  I didn't find 'System Utilities' in the native (Windows 11) Start
>>> menu, but that was not the purpose of this exercise. Perhaps it will
>>> appear after a re-login or reboot, who knows?
>>
>> I installed Open Shell which I use on the other computers and just
>> used one of the config files to set it.  Easier and I know the
>> program.
>>
>> Thanks,
>
>  I'm a bit confused.
>
>  What do you mean by "[I] just used one of the config files to set
> it"?
>
>  I'm not aware that Open-Shell Menu has any config files (just its own
> Settings ("Settings for Open-Shell Menu ...")), nor what they "set".
>
>  Did you accomplish to create/utilize
>
> Start -> Programs -> System Utilities -> Backup -> Macrium -> Reflect
> -> Macrium Reflect
>
> (or similar) like I did?

Maybe I was confusing.  At the bottom of the opening screen under the "Start 
Menu Style" selection there is a "Backup" button that will allow you to save 
your settings to an "XML" file.  You can use this file to move your settings 
from one Open Shell installation to another.

<Bill> 

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#182530

On 2/24/2025 11:56 AM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:

>>   Did you accomplish to create/utilize
>>
>> Start -> Programs -> System Utilities -> Backup -> Macrium -> Reflect
>> -> Macrium Reflect
>>
>> (or similar) like I did?
> 
> Maybe I was confusing.  At the bottom of the opening screen under the "Start
> Menu Style" selection there is a "Backup" button that will allow you to save
> your settings to an "XML" file.  You can use this file to move your settings
> from one Open Shell installation to another.
> 

   I think Frank -- and the rest of use -- understood that you were
asking how to reorganize the Programs menu. Backing up Open
or Classic Shell just means saving the settings for which Start Menu
items to display. That only takes a minute to set, so it's hard
to see the point.

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#182531

Bill Bradshaw <bradshaw@gci.net> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Bill Bradshaw <bradshaw@gci.net> wrote:
> >> Frank Slootweg wrote:
[...]
> >>>  I just tried what I suggested above and it works as expected.
> >>>
> >>>  In Open-Shell Menu, I can now just do:
> >>>
> >>> Start -> Programs -> System Utilities -> Backup -> Macrium ->
> >>> Reflect -> Macrium Reflect
> >>>
> >>>  That starts Macrium Reflect, just like it did (does because I
> >>> copied instead of cut) for:
> >>>
> >>> Start -> Programs -> Macrium -> Reflect -> Macrium Reflect
> >>>
> >>>  I didn't find 'System Utilities' in the native (Windows 11) Start
> >>> menu, but that was not the purpose of this exercise. Perhaps it will
> >>> appear after a re-login or reboot, who knows?
> >>
> >> I installed Open Shell which I use on the other computers and just
> >> used one of the config files to set it.  Easier and I know the
> >> program.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >
> >  I'm a bit confused.
> >
> >  What do you mean by "[I] just used one of the config files to set
> > it"?
> >
> >  I'm not aware that Open-Shell Menu has any config files (just its own
> > Settings ("Settings for Open-Shell Menu ...")), nor what they "set".
> >
> >  Did you accomplish to create/utilize
> >
> > Start -> Programs -> System Utilities -> Backup -> Macrium -> Reflect
> > -> Macrium Reflect
> >
> > (or similar) like I did?
> 
> Maybe I was confusing.  At the bottom of the opening screen under the "Start 
> Menu Style" selection there is a "Backup" button that will allow you to save 
> your settings to an "XML" file.  You can use this file to move your settings 
> from one Open Shell installation to another.

  I see, but my question was (as Newyana2 also noted), if you were able
to create your desired multi-level menu, i.e.

System Utilities 
		 Backup
		 	Macrium
			EaseUS

  So, could you create/add that menu structure in/to your Open-Shell Menu?

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#182543

Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Bill Bradshaw <bradshaw@gci.net> wrote:
>> Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Bill Bradshaw <bradshaw@gci.net> wrote:
>>>> Frank Slootweg wrote:
> [...]
>>>>>  I just tried what I suggested above and it works as expected.
>>>>>
>>>>>  In Open-Shell Menu, I can now just do:
>>>>>
>>>>> Start -> Programs -> System Utilities -> Backup -> Macrium ->
>>>>> Reflect -> Macrium Reflect
>>>>>
>>>>>  That starts Macrium Reflect, just like it did (does because I
>>>>> copied instead of cut) for:
>>>>>
>>>>> Start -> Programs -> Macrium -> Reflect -> Macrium Reflect
>>>>>
>>>>>  I didn't find 'System Utilities' in the native (Windows 11) Start
>>>>> menu, but that was not the purpose of this exercise. Perhaps it
>>>>> will appear after a re-login or reboot, who knows?
>>>>
>>>> I installed Open Shell which I use on the other computers and just
>>>> used one of the config files to set it.  Easier and I know the
>>>> program.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>  I'm a bit confused.
>>>
>>>  What do you mean by "[I] just used one of the config files to set
>>> it"?
>>>
>>>  I'm not aware that Open-Shell Menu has any config files (just its
>>> own Settings ("Settings for Open-Shell Menu ...")), nor what they
>>> "set".
>>>
>>>  Did you accomplish to create/utilize
>>>
>>> Start -> Programs -> System Utilities -> Backup -> Macrium ->
>>> Reflect -> Macrium Reflect
>>>
>>> (or similar) like I did?
>>
>> Maybe I was confusing.  At the bottom of the opening screen under
>> the "Start Menu Style" selection there is a "Backup" button that
>> will allow you to save your settings to an "XML" file.  You can use
>> this file to move your settings from one Open Shell installation to
>> another.
>
>  I see, but my question was (as Newyana2 also noted), if you were able
> to create your desired multi-level menu, i.e.
>
> System Utilities
> Backup
> Macrium
> EaseUS
>
>  So, could you create/add that menu structure in/to your Open-Shell
> Menu?

Yes I was.  I know not everybody would want a tree of folders.  Fortunately 
it looks like it works with Windows 11 when I am forced into that.

<Bill> 

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#182537

On 25/02/24 08:56 AM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> Bill Bradshaw <bradshaw@gci.net> wrote:
>>> Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>> Yesterday, I wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   Doesn't Windows just traverse the folder trees in
>>>>> C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs and
>>>>> C:\Users\<users>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start
>>>>> Menu\Programs?
>>>>>
>>>>>   As I wrote, the standard menu already has two levels
>>>>> (Accessories\ System Tools), so why can't Bill have the two levels
>>>>> he wants?
>>>>>
>>>>>   So I think he should just try it: Create a 'System Utilities' top
>>>>> folder, create a 'Backup' folder in it and then copy and paste
>>>>> (copy instead of cut, just to be safe) the current Macrium and
>>>>> EaseUS folders to the Backup folder (or is "Macrium & EaseUS" one
>>>>> folder?) . Easy to try. If it doesn't work, he can always look for
>>>>> something else.
>>>>
>>>>  I just tried what I suggested above and it works as expected.
>>>>
>>>>  In Open-Shell Menu, I can now just do:
>>>>
>>>> Start -> Programs -> System Utilities -> Backup -> Macrium ->
>>>> Reflect -> Macrium Reflect
>>>>
>>>>  That starts Macrium Reflect, just like it did (does because I
>>>> copied instead of cut) for:
>>>>
>>>> Start -> Programs -> Macrium -> Reflect -> Macrium Reflect
>>>>
>>>>  I didn't find 'System Utilities' in the native (Windows 11) Start
>>>> menu, but that was not the purpose of this exercise. Perhaps it will
>>>> appear after a re-login or reboot, who knows?
>>>
>>> I installed Open Shell which I use on the other computers and just
>>> used one of the config files to set it.  Easier and I know the
>>> program.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>
>>  I'm a bit confused.
>>
>>  What do you mean by "[I] just used one of the config files to set
>> it"?
>>
>>  I'm not aware that Open-Shell Menu has any config files (just its own
>> Settings ("Settings for Open-Shell Menu ...")), nor what they "set".
>>
>>  Did you accomplish to create/utilize
>>
>> Start -> Programs -> System Utilities -> Backup -> Macrium -> Reflect
>> -> Macrium Reflect
>>
>> (or similar) like I did?
> 
> Maybe I was confusing.  At the bottom of the opening screen under the "Start 
> Menu Style" selection there is a "Backup" button that will allow you to save 
> your settings to an "XML" file.  You can use this file to move your settings 
> from one Open Shell installation to another.

And that feature works GREAT! I just used it a few times recently. Very
well designed.

-- 
John C.

Take back Microsoft from India.

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#182483

On 2/21/2025 5:08 PM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
> I use Open Shell on my computers except for a Windows 10 tablet.  I am
> trying to build a menu system with various levels.  I know there are at
> least 2 programs out there that are suppose to simplify this.  You are
> suppose be able to do this with shortcuts but I can not get it to work.
> Would somebody provide the names of those menu programs?
> 

      It's just folders. I open the all users start menu folder and
create subfolders, like Office, Internet, Utilities, Graphics, etc.
Then I put all the actual program shortcuts into those folders.
If necessary I rename the shortcuts. If the shortcut says,
"The Amazing Acme Editor v. 4.56" I just rename it to "Acme Editor".

So Office has Libre Office Writer, Wordpad, PDF View, WinMerge.
Graphics has Paint Shop Pro, IcoFX, IrfanView, etc.

   Once I've distributed the shortcuts I delete the leftover
junk, like unistaller links, website links, etc. Then I open the
user start menu folder and anything in there that's not in
all users gets moved into one of my topical folders. Then I
delete everything else, leaving the user start menu folder
empty.

   The Start Menu Programs menu is just a reflection of whatever
folders/lnks you have in your Start Menu Programs folder. Here's
a picture of mine:

https://pictr.com/image/xLem7X

  With Open/Classic Shell you can just right-click the Start button
to access each of those folders.

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#182489

On 2/22/25 01:25 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 2/21/2025 5:08 PM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
>> I use Open Shell on my computers except for a Windows 10 tablet.  I am
>> trying to build a menu system with various levels.  I know there are at
>> least 2 programs out there that are suppose to simplify this.  You are
>> suppose be able to do this with shortcuts but I can not get it to work.
>> Would somebody provide the names of those menu programs?
>>
> 
>       It's just folders. I open the all users start menu folder and
> create subfolders, like Office, Internet, Utilities, Graphics, etc.
> Then I put all the actual program shortcuts into those folders.
> If necessary I rename the shortcuts. If the shortcut says,
> "The Amazing Acme Editor v. 4.56" I just rename it to "Acme Editor".
> 
> So Office has Libre Office Writer, Wordpad, PDF View, WinMerge.
> Graphics has Paint Shop Pro, IcoFX, IrfanView, etc.
> 
>    Once I've distributed the shortcuts I delete the leftover
> junk, like unistaller links, website links, etc. Then I open the
> user start menu folder and anything in there that's not in
> all users gets moved into one of my topical folders. Then I
> delete everything else, leaving the user start menu folder
> empty.
> 
>    The Start Menu Programs menu is just a reflection of whatever
> folders/lnks you have in your Start Menu Programs folder. Here's
> a picture of mine:
> 
> https://pictr.com/image/xLem7X
> 
Great job.  Like it.  Now isn't that easier than all this junk windows is doing?
That's why I like Linux.  It's that way by design.
>   With Open/Classic Shell you can just right-click the Start button
> to access each of those folders.


-- 
Linux Mint 22.1, Cinnamon 6.4.7,  Kernel 6.8.0-53-generic
Thunderbird 128.7.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 135.0
     Alan K.

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#182498

On 2/22/2025 3:12 PM, Alan K. wrote:

>> https://pictr.com/image/xLem7X
>>
> Great job.  Like it.  Now isn't that easier than all this junk windows 
> is doing?
> That's why I like Linux.  It's that way by design.

  That's a whole other topic. I have Suse Linux here. I wouldn't
say the Start Menu is simple. It depnds on the version of
Linux. But a bigger issue is having programs to put on the menu.
That's why I like Windows. :)

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