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Thumbnails, and what creates them. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-11-03 17:37 -0500
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2024-11-03 17:46 -0500
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-11-03 19:03 -0500
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:50 -0500
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-11-03 22:17 -0500
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-04 14:43 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-04 14:47 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-04 15:50 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-04 17:59 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-04 19:35 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-05 11:00 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-05 19:04 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-06 17:12 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-06 19:04 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-06 20:50 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-06 21:02 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-07 00:23 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-07 02:48 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-07 17:02 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-07 17:35 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-09 00:08 +0000
Extracting WiFi Passwords - SOLVED AT LAST! Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-09 01:01 +0000
Re: Extracting WiFi Passwords - SOLVED AT LAST! Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-09 01:15 +0000
Re: Extracting WiFi Passwords - SOLVED AT LAST! Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-09 04:54 +0000
Re: Extracting WiFi Passwords - SOLVED AT LAST! Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-09 04:57 +0000
Re: Extracting WiFi Passwords - SOLVED AT LAST! Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-09 05:32 +0000
Re: Extracting WiFi Passwords - SOLVED AT LAST! Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-09 14:02 +0000
Re: Extracting WiFi Passwords - SOLVED AT LAST! Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-09 12:10 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-09 01:33 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-09 01:35 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-11-05 13:23 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-05 21:36 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-06 10:41 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-06 10:51 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-06 14:54 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-11-06 11:13 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-06 13:05 +0100
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-11-06 13:26 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-06 14:36 +0100
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-11-06 14:45 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-06 15:28 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-06 18:57 +0100
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-06 15:18 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-06 13:24 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-11-06 08:37 -0500
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-06 16:15 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-11-06 13:59 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-06 19:01 +0100
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-11-06 19:15 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-07 12:45 +0100
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-11-07 15:31 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-11-07 16:18 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-07 23:34 +0100
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-11-08 09:39 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-08 22:27 +0100
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-11-09 16:04 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-06 21:11 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-07 02:19 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-07 00:12 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-11-07 10:07 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-07 14:17 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-07 19:08 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-11-07 19:26 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-07 20:38 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-11-07 21:01 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-11-08 00:20 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-11-08 11:22 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-11-08 10:47 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-09 00:45 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-11-08 10:26 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-11-04 15:41 +0000
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-11-06 11:03 -0500
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:16 -0500
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-11-03 23:01 -0500
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-11-04 03:46 -0500
Re: Thumbnails, and what creates them. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-05 12:23 +0100
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| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-11-07 14:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vgii6l$2mg0s$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #179756 |
On 2024-11-07 10:07, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-11-06 13:24, Java Jive wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> AFAIR, Google's 'Back up data' also backs up Wi-Fi settings to your
>>>>>> Google Drive. As both your Samsung tablet and your Google phone have
>>>>>> Google backup and restore, that's a possible path of transfer.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tend to avoid using Google services because of their reputation for
>>>>> data harvesting, which in the past has included WiFi information as part
>>>>> of Streetview, but perhaps if the SD option fails, then I might try that
>>>>> next.
>>>
>>> Perhaps this is what I should try next ...
>>
>> No, this doesn't work either. On the Samsung, the only option presented
>> by Google's Backup is to back up contacts, I can't see an option to back
>> up settings.
>
> Hmmmm!? Strange! On my ancient Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 10.1" (SM-T530)
> with Android 5.0.2, i.e. even older than yours, Settings says it can
> "Back up application data, Wi-Fi passwords and other settings to Google
> servers". (Settings -> 'GENERAL' tab -> 'Backup and reset')
I was going via a different path, which exists on both devices ...
Settings -> Google -> All services -> Backup and Restore
... which only covers contacts.
On the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 SM-T719, I don't have your 'General' tab
under settings. Searching its settings for 'backup' gives me ...
1 Cloud and Accounts -> Backup and Restore -> Backup Settings
(to Samsung cloud)
2 Cloud and Accounts -> Backup and Restore -> Backup My Data
(to Google Drive)
Cloud and Accounts -> Backup and Restore -> Backup Account
(create spare account, not relevant here)
Cloud and Accounts -> Backup and Restore -> Automatic restore
(auto restore backed up settings when an app is reinstalled)
... also ...
Developer Options -> Desktop backup password
... of which obviously only the first two are relevant:
1 Is the Samsung backup tested yesterday, seemingly can't be restored to
a non-Samsung phone, and anyway seems to have insufficient granularity
to restore *ONLY* the WiFi settings, so it would not seem wise to
restore this en masse to the Pixel, even if I could find out how.
2 I think this might be the same one as you reach by the path you gave
above. It is a single switch option which was already enabled, and is
fully described thus:
"Back up your device data and app data automatically to Google Drive
(including WiFi passwords, the Phone log, app settings, and related files.
App data may include personal information such as contacts, messages,
and pictures."
If I could find out how to restore only the WiFi settings from that to a
different phone, I guess I'd be home and dry, but I can't even find out
how to use it to restore to the *SAME* phone that it was made from.
Searching Settings for 'restore' gives me only the first and fourth hits
above, nothing for restoring any or all of a Google Drive backup.
On the Pixel 8a, searching settings for 'restore' gives me ...
Google Play Services -> Restore contacts
Google Play Services -> Google Contacts sync
1 Apps -> Data Restore Tool
System -> Erase all data (factory reset)
... of which only the app [1] seems relevant. Tapping it takes me to
its App Info, not the app itself, which says that it's running but not
active, and gives details of its permissions. etc. There is no icon on
the home pages for it, and swiping up to get the list of apps gives me
nothing of that name or similar, so, how do I run it manually?
Thanks for all your and others' attempts to help, it's a lovely sunny
day here in Sutherland, so going for a walk now, back later.
--
Fake news kills!
I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk
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| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-11-07 19:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vgj382$2palr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #179761 |
On 2024-11-07 14:17, Java Jive wrote: > > 2 I think this might be the same one as you reach by the path you gave > above. It is a single switch option which was already enabled, and is > fully described thus: > > "Back up your device data and app data automatically to Google Drive > (including WiFi passwords, the Phone log, app settings, and related files. > > App data may include personal information such as contacts, messages, > and pictures." > > If I could find out how to restore only the WiFi settings from that to a > different phone, I guess I'd be home and dry, but I can't even find out > how to use it to restore to the *SAME* phone that it was made from. Now that Google Drive is enabled and functional on both devices, both have made a backup, each of which the other can see listed, but, even on the same device as made the backup, you can't actually *DO* anything with these backups, other than delete them. -- Fake news kills! I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-11-07 19:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vgj7ov.fo4.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #179770 |
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-11-07 14:17, Java Jive wrote:
> >
> > 2 I think this might be the same one as you reach by the path you gave
> > above. It is a single switch option which was already enabled, and is
> > fully described thus:
> >
> > "Back up your device data and app data automatically to Google Drive
> > (including WiFi passwords, the Phone log, app settings, and related files.
> >
> > App data may include personal information such as contacts, messages,
> > and pictures."
> >
> > If I could find out how to restore only the WiFi settings from that to a
> > different phone, I guess I'd be home and dry, but I can't even find out
> > how to use it to restore to the *SAME* phone that it was made from.
>
> Now that Google Drive is enabled and functional on both devices, both
> have made a backup, each of which the other can see listed, but, even on
> the same device as made the backup, you can't actually *DO* anything
> with these backups, other than delete them.
Ain't that great! Who needs restore?
Let me check my phone:
Settings -> Accounts and backup ->
"Samsung Cloud
Back up data (offers choices for what (not) to back up)
Restore data (offers choices for what (not) to restore)
('Settings' choice includes Wi-Fi settings!)
Google Drive
Back up data"
(has no restore section!)
What brand was your new phone again!?
Sorry, couldn't resist, just kidding.
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| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-11-07 20:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vgj8go$2q7g0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #179771 |
On 2024-11-07 19:26, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-11-07 14:17, Java Jive wrote:
>>>
>>> 2 I think this might be the same one as you reach by the path you gave
>>> above. It is a single switch option which was already enabled, and is
>>> fully described thus:
>>>
>>> "Back up your device data and app data automatically to Google Drive
>>> (including WiFi passwords, the Phone log, app settings, and related files.
>>>
>>> App data may include personal information such as contacts, messages,
>>> and pictures."
>>>
>>> If I could find out how to restore only the WiFi settings from that to a
>>> different phone, I guess I'd be home and dry, but I can't even find out
>>> how to use it to restore to the *SAME* phone that it was made from.
>>
>> Now that Google Drive is enabled and functional on both devices, both
>> have made a backup, each of which the other can see listed, but, even on
>> the same device as made the backup, you can't actually *DO* anything
>> with these backups, other than delete them.
>
> Ain't that great! Who needs restore?
>
> Let me check my phone:
>
> Settings -> Accounts and backup ->
>
> "Samsung Cloud
> Back up data (offers choices for what (not) to back up)
> Restore data (offers choices for what (not) to restore)
> ('Settings' choice includes Wi-Fi settings!)
But no granularity, so you can't restore just one item or set of items
from the Settings, and you can't restore to a non-Samsung phone, and
perhaps even any phone other than the one that made the backup, though
I'm unsure of that last point.
> Google Drive
> Back up data"
> (has no restore section!)
Yes, ridiculous! Google seems to be keener on having your data to trawl
than actually allowing you, the owner of it, to use it meaningfully!
Presumably what is supposed to happen is that, if your phone gets wiped,
it will offer to restore from the last backup, but I'm not about to test
that by wiping my phone! Today's tests have reminded me why I always
had Google Drive disabled from the start.
--
Fake news kills!
I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-11-07 21:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lp4o5iFf960U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #179772 |
Java Jive wrote: > Presumably what is supposed to happen is that, if your phone gets wiped, > it will offer to restore from the last backup Yes, there have been a couple of times e.g. I've had a hardware fault on a brand new phone, had to wipe it to exchange it for a replacement, and hit the restore button, and it just does that (apart from software such as K-9 which doesn't store config backups in the Google account) > but I'm not about to test that by wiping my phone! You've presumably got your old one that you could play with?
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| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-11-08 00:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vgjlg9$2sggo$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #179773 |
On 2024-11-07 21:01, Andy Burns wrote: > > Java Jive wrote: >> >> Presumably what is supposed to happen is that, if your phone gets >> wiped, it will offer to restore from the last backup > > Yes, there have been a couple of times e.g. I've had a hardware fault on > a brand new phone, had to wipe it to exchange it for a replacement, and > hit the restore button, and it just does that (apart from software such > as K-9 which doesn't store config backups in the Google account) > >> but I'm not about to test that by wiping my phone! > > You've presumably got your old one that you could play with? Snakes And Ladders, or Catch 22, again - don't want to play with it until I've extracted the WiFi logons! -- Fake news kills! I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-11-08 11:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lp6aknFmhs3U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #179775 |
Java Jive wrote: > Andy Burns wrote: > >> You've presumably got your old one that you could play with? > > Snakes And Ladders, or Catch 22, again - don't want to play with it > until I've extracted the WiFi logons! Create a virtual phone within Android Studio and play with that instead?
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-11-08 10:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vgktp5.nig.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #179773 |
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote: > Java Jive wrote: > > > Presumably what is supposed to happen is that, if your phone gets wiped, > > it will offer to restore from the last backup > > Yes, there have been a couple of times e.g. I've had a hardware fault on > a brand new phone, had to wipe it to exchange it for a replacement, and > hit the restore button, and it just does that (apart from software such > as K-9 which doesn't store config backups in the Google account) In my experience *most* (non-Google) software doesn't store configuration settings in the Google account (or Google Drive). They (have to) store it in their app-private area (Android\data, etc.) which means that general purpose backup programs can not access it and hence can not back it up. This is really a pain, because you have to 'export' (*if* such a function is available in the app) app-private settings from each and every non-Google app to some common area, before you can back it up. Not to mention not being able to backup app-private data. That said, do *you* have any positive experience that the Google restore method restores the *data* of non-Google apps (i.e. for example to local mail copies of K-9 Mail)? > > but I'm not about to test that by wiping my phone! > > You've presumably got your old one that you could play with? Luckily, I've not yet needed to restore any stuff which I could not backups, but that's mostly because my old phone had Android 5.1.1, so the app-private areas still *could* be backed up by convential methods,
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| From | Andrews <andrews@spam.net> |
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| Date | 2024-11-09 00:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vgmbap$1qc2$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #179782 |
Frank Slootweg wrote on 8 Nov 2024 10:47:57 GMT : > In my experience *most* (non-Google) software doesn't store > configuration settings in the Google account (or Google Drive). They > (have to) store it in their app-private area (Android\data, etc.) which > means that general purpose backup programs can not access it and hence > can not back it up. This is for everyone not so much for Frank as I'm sure Frank knows this. Regarding where apps store their data, (some apps, not all, not even most perhaps, but some apps) will store data onto the users' external sd card. For those programs, what I do is format the external sd card with a known volume label (e.g., 0000-0001) which allows me to pull out that sd card and put it into another phone which is "expecting" the data in that location. Works every time... Which makes me wonder... Why not pull out that sdcard and copy it on Windows to fully back it up? I don't normally do that because I don't need to, but wouldn't that work? Summary: Q: Would it work to back up an external sdcard to simply "copy" it? A: ? Note I'm aware that won't work for fundamental operating system files which are stored on sdcard0 and not stored on the external sdcard - but still...
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-11-08 10:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vgksgl.b5g.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #179772 |
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-11-07 19:26, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[...]
> > Let me check my phone:
> >
> > Settings -> Accounts and backup ->
> >
> > "Samsung Cloud
> > Back up data (offers choices for what (not) to back up)
> > Restore data (offers choices for what (not) to restore)
> > ('Settings' choice includes Wi-Fi settings!)
>
> But no granularity, so you can't restore just one item or set of items
> from the Settings, and you can't restore to a non-Samsung phone, and
> perhaps even any phone other than the one that made the backup, though
> I'm unsure of that last point.
Indeed, only useful for restoring to the same phone or a replacement
(Samsung) phone.
> > Google Drive
> > Back up data"
> > (has no restore section!)
>
> Yes, ridiculous! Google seems to be keener on having your data to trawl
> than actually allowing you, the owner of it, to use it meaningfully!
> Presumably what is supposed to happen is that, if your phone gets wiped,
> it will offer to restore from the last backup, but I'm not about to test
> that by wiping my phone! Today's tests have reminded me why I always
> had Google Drive disabled from the start.
Yes, the Google backup can probably restored to the same device and,
as Andy also indicated, the Google backup can be restored to a new
phone. That's described by following the links on the Google One
(one.google.com) site:
-> Backup -> Back up your device -> Lern more ->
'Back up your device'
<https://support.google.com/googleone/answer/9149304>
(select 'Android' tab if not preselected)
"...
Get your data onto a new phone
Your photos and videos are already available in Google Photos. You can
restore your backed up data when you set up your new device for the
first time or after you set up your device.
* At setup, to restore your data, follow the on-screen steps.
..."
The detailed instructions are mostly for Google Pixel phones, but I
think other brands have similar capability.
At the time, 4 years ago, my Samsung phone only presented the
(Samsung) Smart Switch procedure, but perhaps the Google restore method
was available somewhere else, like in Settings.
Bottom line: It's still strange that also this ('Back up your device')
document doesn't say anything about restoring to the *same* ('old')
phone.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-11-04 15:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vgatel.10bs.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #179672 |
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: [...] > I've been using MyPhoneExlorer to both connect the phone and to copy > from it, and I have to compare the source and dest each time to see what > to copy, but maybe all I need to do is plug the phone into a USB port > and use any of the Windows-based backup programs that don't copy what's > already copied. Like robocopy or xxcopy. AFAIK, if you're using MyPhoneExlorer, you're using an interactive, i.e. not command-line/script, procedure. If so, it's indeed probably easier to just plug in the phone via USB and use Windows' File Explorer to do the copying (copy-and-paste). After the copying, just use Properties on the source folder of the phone and the destination folder on the computer. The number of Files and Folders and the Size (*not* 'Size on disk') should be the same. Anyway, that's what I use when copying pictures from phones or other external devices.
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2024-11-06 11:03 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <0n4nij5vduukdk42tqu7p0tjsd0qin41p2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #179688 |
In comp.mobile.android, on 4 Nov 2024 15:41:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >[...] > >> I've been using MyPhoneExlorer to both connect the phone and to copy >> from it, and I have to compare the source and dest each time to see what >> to copy, but maybe all I need to do is plug the phone into a USB port >> and use any of the Windows-based backup programs that don't copy what's >> already copied. Like robocopy or xxcopy. > > AFAIK, if you're using MyPhoneExlorer, you're using an interactive, >i.e. not command-line/script, procedure. Yes. > > If so, it's indeed probably easier to just plug in the phone via USB >and use Windows' File Explorer to do the copying (copy-and-paste). > > After the copying, just use Properties on the source folder of the >phone and the destination folder on the computer. The number of Files >and Folders and the Size (*not* 'Size on disk') should be the same. I hadn't thought of using Properties of the phone. Thanx > Anyway, that's what I use when copying pictures from phones or other >external devices.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-11-03 21:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vg9aqe$kski$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #179670 |
On Sun, 11/3/2024 5:37 PM, micky wrote:
> Thumbnails, and what creates them.
>
> I have a lot of pictures on my Android phone, and I copy them all to my
> laptop, and I copy all of them to my backup drive.
>
> In
> c:\users\[me]\appdata\roaming\MyPhoneExplorer\XiaomiRedmiNote8Pro[bunch
> of numbers]\thumbnailcache\sdcard\DCIM, I have 5 entries, 4 created
> today 3 of which are of photos I viewed today (and maybeeee the other
> one?), and one created in April of a photo I viewed today.
>
> This implies, iiuc, that windows creates the thumbnail when I do
> something, view the picture in any vieweer? Some viewers?
>
> At any rate, the thumbnail is used mostly, or entirely??, when using a
> file manager that displays the thumbnails, right?
>
> So I don't have to worry about copying them to a final location, and in
> fact I can delete them all, right? If I ever need one, Windows will
> recreate it????
>
Here's an article on them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_thumbnail_cache
File Explorer can use them for displaying icons based on the contents of the file.
.thumbs.db <=== various places <=== gpedit.msc may be able to stop the generation of these
On file shares, these could be coming from elsewhere.
C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Explorer <=== cleanmgr is showing size of these ?
thumbcache_96.db 1024 KB These can be wiped via cleanmgr.
iconcache_256.db 11264 KB Will regenerate, when you visit the target folder.
Foreign file types need a generator, to make the thumb for it.
C:\Users\username\.thumbnails\normal
0a3dc4388ba9b23acc3f20f2d57600da.png 7,666 bytes <=== WSL Linux splatter (thumbnails)
<=== Different location as function of version
Paul
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2024-11-03 23:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <4jhgij5keoqoiqc9811ujkbf01aeipql0e@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #179675 |
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 3 Nov 2024 21:16:44 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: >On Sun, 11/3/2024 5:37 PM, micky wrote: >> Thumbnails, and what creates them. >> >> I have a lot of pictures on my Android phone, and I copy them all to my >> laptop, and I copy all of them to my backup drive. >> >> In >> c:\users\[me]\appdata\roaming\MyPhoneExplorer\XiaomiRedmiNote8Pro[bunch >> of numbers]\thumbnailcache\sdcard\DCIM, I have 5 entries, 4 created >> today 3 of which are of photos I viewed today (and maybeeee the other >> one?), and one created in April of a photo I viewed today. >> >> This implies, iiuc, that windows creates the thumbnail when I do >> something, view the picture in any vieweer? Some viewers? >> >> At any rate, the thumbnail is used mostly, or entirely??, when using a >> file manager that displays the thumbnails, right? >> >> So I don't have to worry about copying them to a final location, and in >> fact I can delete them all, right? If I ever need one, Windows will >> recreate it???? >> > >Here's an article on them. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_thumbnail_cache > Very interesting. It says "whilst". Must have been written by a Brit. >File Explorer can use them for displaying icons based on the contents of the file. > > .thumbs.db <=== various places <=== gpedit.msc may be able to stop the generation of these > On file shares, these could be coming from elsewhere. > >C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Explorer <=== cleanmgr is showing size of these ? > thumbcache_96.db 1024 KB These can be wiped via cleanmgr. > iconcache_256.db 11264 KB Will regenerate, when you visit the target folder. > Foreign file types need a generator, to make the thumb for it. >C:\Users\username\.thumbnails\normal > 0a3dc4388ba9b23acc3f20f2d57600da.png 7,666 bytes <=== WSL Linux splatter (thumbnails) > <=== Different location as function of version > > Paul I only had a few and I left them. WRT photos, I generally don't look at mine until several years after I take them, and I just use the Details display, so I gather that i rarely create thumbnails.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-11-04 03:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vga1l1$s9e3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #179678 |
On Sun, 11/3/2024 11:01 PM, micky wrote: > I only had a few and I left them. WRT photos, I generally don't look at > mine until several years after I take them, and I just use the Details > display, so I gather that i rarely create thumbnails. My thumbnails currently are at 78MB. If I use cleanmgr to remove iconcache/thumbcache , they only grow back again. Back in hard drive days, it was all fun and games, but with an SSD, it can seem a bit of a waste. Paul
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-11-05 12:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <loudh3Frs31U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #179679 |
On 2024-11-04 09:46, Paul wrote:
> On Sun, 11/3/2024 11:01 PM, micky wrote:
>
>> I only had a few and I left them. WRT photos, I generally don't look at
>> mine until several years after I take them, and I just use the Details
>> display, so I gather that i rarely create thumbnails.
>
> My thumbnails currently are at 78MB. If I use cleanmgr
> to remove iconcache/thumbcache , they only grow back
> again. Back in hard drive days, it was all fun and games,
> but with an SSD, it can seem a bit of a waste.
It still saves processing time when displaying previews by whatever
software created them.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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