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| Started by | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| First post | 2025-11-26 08:55 -0500 |
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OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-11-26 08:55 -0500
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-11-26 09:09 -0500
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-26 13:43 -0500
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Marian <marian@dumbshits.com> - 2025-11-27 16:01 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-27 12:49 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Marian <marian@dumbshits.com> - 2025-11-27 16:29 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-11-26 12:16 -0500
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-11-26 12:44 -0500
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 12:45 +0100
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-11-27 16:29 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Marian <marian@dumbshits.com> - 2025-11-27 16:34 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:06 +0100
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-11-27 20:16 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-11-28 08:16 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-11-28 17:17 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-11-27 19:31 -0500
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-11-28 14:57 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-28 15:12 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Marian <marian@dumbshits.com> - 2025-11-28 17:51 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-12-01 11:27 -0500
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-26 18:18 +0100
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? User Support <User.Support@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-26 22:10 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-11-27 17:13 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:08 +0100
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-11-28 08:16 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-28 21:13 +0100
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-11-29 00:07 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:24 +0100
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> - 2025-11-28 08:47 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-28 10:49 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-11-28 18:00 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-28 19:05 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-11-29 02:00 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:22 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:29 +0100
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-11-29 14:11 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-29 15:34 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-11-29 20:36 +1100
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:32 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-11-28 10:54 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Marian <marian@dumbshits.com> - 2025-11-28 18:03 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Marcus90@guess.com - 2025-11-28 12:41 -0600
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Marian <marian@dumbshits.com> - 2025-11-28 19:18 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-11-28 16:47 -0600
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-11-29 02:04 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-28 21:36 -0500
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-11-29 20:48 +1100
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-28 14:03 -0500
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> - 2025-12-01 09:21 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-01 13:47 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-01 15:04 +0100
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-01 07:50 -0700
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 13:53 +0100
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 10:04 -0700
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Winston <wbe@UBEBLOCK.psr.com.invalid> - 2025-12-02 12:04 -0500
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 10:56 -0700
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 23:19 +0100
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2025-12-03 15:07 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-01 15:03 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-01 07:18 -0700
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> - 2025-12-02 09:33 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-02 22:21 +1100
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-02 13:30 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-02 14:11 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-02 15:25 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-01 18:04 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> - 2025-12-02 09:20 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-02 14:11 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 15:26 +0100
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-02 22:23 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 14:02 +0100
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-04 18:36 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-04 18:42 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 23:20 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 19:54 +1100
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2025-12-03 14:52 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-11-29 00:00 +0800
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:36 +0100
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-11-30 12:52 +0800
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-11-30 13:48 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-11-30 22:28 +0800
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-30 20:36 +0100
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-01 11:45 -0700
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> - 2025-11-28 17:56 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Marian <marian@dumbshits.com> - 2025-11-28 18:40 +0000
Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? Marian <marian@dumbshits.com> - 2025-11-28 18:54 +0000
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| From | wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-02 09:33 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? |
| Message-ID | <10gmbp1$25jqq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #189992 |
On 01/12/2025 13:47, Frank Slootweg wrote: > wasbit <wasbit@removehotmail.com> wrote: >> On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote: >>> On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote: > [...] >>>> Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft. >>> >>> It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit. >>> Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no >>> evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the >>> OP could tighten up his settings a bit. >> >> The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing >> about having permission. >> Until clarified it is bandwidth theft. > > micky's *computer* *accidentily* connected to his neighbour's WiFi: > Whether it was accidental or not he connected to his neighbour's wifi. Once he realised, without permission it was theft. In the UK it is an offence under the Communications Act 2003 & possibly the Computer Misuse Act. It is up to the OP to clarify. > <micky> > This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a > neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his, > it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I > thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my > laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. > </micky> > > So *instead of* connecting to his "cable" (wired LAN?) or WiFi, his > *computer* (*not* micky) connected to his neighbour's WiFi. > > Could he have disconnected the neighbour's WiFi in those 30 minutes? > Yes. Did he know how to do that? I don't know. > > As to "bandwidth theft": I'm sure his accidental use, doesn't deserve > your harsh condemnation. > -- Regards wasbit
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2025-12-02 22:21 +1100 |
| Subject | Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? |
| Message-ID | <10gmi3s$27t3d$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #190012 |
On 2/12/2025 8:33 pm, wasbit wrote: > On 01/12/2025 13:47, Frank Slootweg wrote: >> wasbit <wasbit@removehotmail.com> wrote: >>> On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote: >>>> On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote: >> [...] >>>>> Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft. >>>> >>>> It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit. >>>> Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no >>>> evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the >>>> OP could tighten up his settings a bit. >>> >>> The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing >>> about having permission. >>> Until clarified it is bandwidth theft. >> >> micky's *computer* *accidentily* connected to his neighbour's WiFi: > > Whether it was accidental or not he connected to his neighbour's wifi. > Once he realised, ... *and knowingly continued* ... > without permission it was theft. > > In the UK it is an offence under the Communications Act 2003 & possibly > the Computer Misuse Act. > > It is up to the OP to clarify. > >> <micky> >> This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a >> neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his, >> it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I >> thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my >> laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. >> </micky> >> >> So *instead of* connecting to his "cable" (wired LAN?) or WiFi, his >> *computer* (*not* micky) connected to his neighbour's WiFi. >> >> Could he have disconnected the neighbour's WiFi in those 30 minutes? >> Yes. Did he know how to do that? I don't know. >> >> As to "bandwidth theft": I'm sure his accidental use, doesn't deserve >> your harsh condemnation. -- Daniel70
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-12-02 13:30 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? |
| Message-ID | <10gmplb$1rj4g$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #190014 |
On 2025/12/2 11:21:33, Daniel70 wrote: > On 2/12/2025 8:33 pm, wasbit wrote: [] >> Whether it was accidental or not he connected to his neighbour's wifi. >> Once he realised, > > ... *and knowingly continued* ... > >> without permission it was theft. >> >> In the UK it is an offence under the Communications Act 2003 & possibly >> the Computer Misuse Act. [] I'm not even sure he had to realise, let alone knowingly continue, for it to be an offence _in theory_; _in practice_, I very much doubt if action would be taken unless either he used it so much that it impacted his neighbour's service, or he used it to download or upload something dodgy (such as the usual two bogeymen), or possibly to download something for which payment would otherwise be required. Or perhaps if he poked around his neighbour's computer/network, rather than just (ab)using the internet connection. Unless, of course, the authorities were after him for some other reason, in which case they could use the "offence" as an "in". But that applies to all sorts of "offences" - I've always assumed they'd use, for example, copyright infringement as such an "in" in almost any case (how many of us have _no_ copied material, be it audio, video, or even just documents). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Who came first? Adam or Eve?" "Adam of course; men always do." Victoria Wood (via Peter Hesketh)
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-02 14:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? |
| Message-ID | <10gms37$2bu2r$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #190012 |
wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote: > On 01/12/2025 13:47, Frank Slootweg wrote: >> wasbit <wasbit@removehotmail.com> wrote: >>> On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote: >>>> On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote: >> [...] >>>>> Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft. >>>> >>>> It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit. >>>> Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no >>>> evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the >>>> OP could tighten up his settings a bit. >>> >>> The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing >>> about having permission. >>> Until clarified it is bandwidth theft. >> >> micky's *computer* *accidentily* connected to his neighbour's WiFi: >> > > Whether it was accidental or not he connected to his neighbour's wifi. > Once he realised, without permission it was theft. It may be an offence. It is not theft. > In the UK it is an offence under the Communications Act 2003 & possibly > the Computer Misuse Act. > > It is up to the OP to clarify. Even so it'll be so far down the list of priorities that the police will be unlikely to even log it.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-02 15:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? |
| Message-ID | <10gn3ts.10qo.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #190012 |
wasbit <wasbit@removehotmail.com> wrote: > On 01/12/2025 13:47, Frank Slootweg wrote: > > wasbit <wasbit@removehotmail.com> wrote: > >> On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote: > >>> On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote: > > [...] > >>>> Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft. > >>> > >>> It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit. > >>> Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no > >>> evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the > >>> OP could tighten up his settings a bit. > >> > >> The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing > >> about having permission. > >> Until clarified it is bandwidth theft. > > > > micky's *computer* *accidentily* connected to his neighbour's WiFi: > > Whether it was accidental or not he connected to his neighbour's wifi. > Once he realised, without permission it was theft. You keep harping on that, but, as I said, we and hence you don't *know* if it was without permission (and we don't know if it was open or not). > In the UK it is an offence under the Communications Act 2003 & possibly > the Computer Misuse Act. > > It is up to the OP to clarify. Nope it isn't. You apparently do, but probably most of this audience doesn't do "Guilty until proven innocent!". > > <micky> > > This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a > > neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his, > > it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I > > thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my > > laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. > > </micky> > > > > So *instead of* connecting to his "cable" (wired LAN?) or WiFi, his > > *computer* (*not* micky) connected to his neighbour's WiFi. > > > > Could he have disconnected the neighbour's WiFi in those 30 minutes? > > Yes. Did he know how to do that? I don't know. > > > > As to "bandwidth theft": I'm sure his accidental use, doesn't deserve > > your harsh condemnation. Non response duly noted.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-01 18:04 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? |
| Message-ID | <10gklb9$1ihtj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #189988 |
wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote: > On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote: >> On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote: >>> On 26/11/2025 13:55, micky wrote: >>>> OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm >>>> sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the >>>> web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?. I would think >>>> not but just want to be sure. He's a smart guy but no tech genius >>>> afaik. If he were a tech wiz, could he do it? >>>> >>>> My wifi has been giving me trouble since February, and last night on the >>>> upstairs computer, the cable internet would not work either. The >>>> Troubleshooter said the cable wasn't in, and indeed, I had sometimes >>>> gotten success by pushing it in further, a millimeter, but that didn't >>>> work last night. Even though the Verizon FIOS fiberoptic phone was >>>> working and the Verizon box has a flashing led for the cable that goes >>>> to my computer. >>>> >>>> This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a >>>> neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his, >>>> it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I >>>> thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my >>>> laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. >>>> >>> >>> Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft. >> >> It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit. >> Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no >> evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the >> OP could tighten up his settings a bit. >> > > The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing > about having permission. > Until clarified it is bandwidth theft. Theft requires that someone is deprived of something. Given every broadband connection is unlimited there is no "deprivation". Using something without paying for it is potentially fraud, however.
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| From | wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-02 09:20 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? |
| Message-ID | <10gmb0i$25bik$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #190000 |
On 01/12/2025 18:04, Chris wrote: > wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote: >> On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote: >>> On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote: >>>> On 26/11/2025 13:55, micky wrote: >>>>> OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm >>>>> sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the >>>>> web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?. I would think >>>>> not but just want to be sure. He's a smart guy but no tech genius >>>>> afaik. If he were a tech wiz, could he do it? >>>>> >>>>> My wifi has been giving me trouble since February, and last night on the >>>>> upstairs computer, the cable internet would not work either. The >>>>> Troubleshooter said the cable wasn't in, and indeed, I had sometimes >>>>> gotten success by pushing it in further, a millimeter, but that didn't >>>>> work last night. Even though the Verizon FIOS fiberoptic phone was >>>>> working and the Verizon box has a flashing led for the cable that goes >>>>> to my computer. >>>>> >>>>> This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a >>>>> neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his, >>>>> it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I >>>>> thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my >>>>> laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft. >>> >>> It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit. >>> Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no >>> evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the >>> OP could tighten up his settings a bit. >>> >> >> The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing >> about having permission. >> Until clarified it is bandwidth theft. > > Theft requires that someone is deprived of something. Given every broadband > connection is unlimited there is no "deprivation". > > Using something without paying for it is potentially fraud, however. > Every broadband connection is NOT unlimited. Mine is currently 200GB per calendar month, which was 60GB then 100GB. -- Regards wasbit
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-02 14:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? |
| Message-ID | <10gms35$2bu2r$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #190011 |
wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote: > On 01/12/2025 18:04, Chris wrote: >> wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote: >>> On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote: >>>> On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote: >>>>> On 26/11/2025 13:55, micky wrote: >>>>>> OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm >>>>>> sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the >>>>>> web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?. I would think >>>>>> not but just want to be sure. He's a smart guy but no tech genius >>>>>> afaik. If he were a tech wiz, could he do it? >>>>>> >>>>>> My wifi has been giving me trouble since February, and last night on the >>>>>> upstairs computer, the cable internet would not work either. The >>>>>> Troubleshooter said the cable wasn't in, and indeed, I had sometimes >>>>>> gotten success by pushing it in further, a millimeter, but that didn't >>>>>> work last night. Even though the Verizon FIOS fiberoptic phone was >>>>>> working and the Verizon box has a flashing led for the cable that goes >>>>>> to my computer. >>>>>> >>>>>> This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a >>>>>> neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his, >>>>>> it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I >>>>>> thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my >>>>>> laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft. >>>> >>>> It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit. >>>> Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no >>>> evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the >>>> OP could tighten up his settings a bit. >>>> >>> >>> The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing >>> about having permission. >>> Until clarified it is bandwidth theft. >> >> Theft requires that someone is deprived of something. Given every broadband >> connection is unlimited there is no "deprivation". >> >> Using something without paying for it is potentially fraud, however. >> > > Every broadband connection is NOT unlimited. > Mine is currently 200GB per calendar month, which was 60GB then 100GB. You're the exception rather than the rule.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-02 15:26 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? |
| Message-ID | <ji930mxko3.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #190021 |
On 2025-12-02 15:11, Chris wrote: > wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote: >> On 01/12/2025 18:04, Chris wrote: >>> wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote: >>>>>> On 26/11/2025 13:55, micky wrote: >>>>>>> OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm >>>>>>> sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the >>>>>>> web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?. I would think >>>>>>> not but just want to be sure. He's a smart guy but no tech genius >>>>>>> afaik. If he were a tech wiz, could he do it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My wifi has been giving me trouble since February, and last night on the >>>>>>> upstairs computer, the cable internet would not work either. The >>>>>>> Troubleshooter said the cable wasn't in, and indeed, I had sometimes >>>>>>> gotten success by pushing it in further, a millimeter, but that didn't >>>>>>> work last night. Even though the Verizon FIOS fiberoptic phone was >>>>>>> working and the Verizon box has a flashing led for the cable that goes >>>>>>> to my computer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a >>>>>>> neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his, >>>>>>> it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I >>>>>>> thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my >>>>>>> laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft. >>>>> >>>>> It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit. >>>>> Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no >>>>> evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the >>>>> OP could tighten up his settings a bit. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing >>>> about having permission. >>>> Until clarified it is bandwidth theft. >>> >>> Theft requires that someone is deprived of something. Given every broadband >>> connection is unlimited there is no "deprivation". >>> >>> Using something without paying for it is potentially fraud, however. >>> >> >> Every broadband connection is NOT unlimited. >> Mine is currently 200GB per calendar month, which was 60GB then 100GB. > > You're the exception rather than the rule. Depends. Spain has a very deep fibre coverage, but there are rural areas without. If you have to depend on a router with a SIM card, many providers limit the downloads per month. Even if you contract a limitless connection, in actual practice they have limits, and may severe your connection if you download movies every day. I had a beach residence with such a connection. Land line copper connection had been available, till the entire copper network was decommissioned, and they did not deploy fibre to every place that had copper previously. Just 200 meters away. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-02 22:23 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? |
| Message-ID | <10gnoto$2nqi2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #190023 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2025-12-02 15:11, Chris wrote: >> wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote: >>> On 01/12/2025 18:04, Chris wrote: >>>> wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote: >>>>>>> On 26/11/2025 13:55, micky wrote: >>>>>>>> OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm >>>>>>>> sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the >>>>>>>> web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?. I would think >>>>>>>> not but just want to be sure. He's a smart guy but no tech genius >>>>>>>> afaik. If he were a tech wiz, could he do it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My wifi has been giving me trouble since February, and last night on the >>>>>>>> upstairs computer, the cable internet would not work either. The >>>>>>>> Troubleshooter said the cable wasn't in, and indeed, I had sometimes >>>>>>>> gotten success by pushing it in further, a millimeter, but that didn't >>>>>>>> work last night. Even though the Verizon FIOS fiberoptic phone was >>>>>>>> working and the Verizon box has a flashing led for the cable that goes >>>>>>>> to my computer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a >>>>>>>> neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his, >>>>>>>> it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I >>>>>>>> thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my >>>>>>>> laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft. >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit. >>>>>> Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no >>>>>> evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the >>>>>> OP could tighten up his settings a bit. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing >>>>> about having permission. >>>>> Until clarified it is bandwidth theft. >>>> >>>> Theft requires that someone is deprived of something. Given every broadband >>>> connection is unlimited there is no "deprivation". >>>> >>>> Using something without paying for it is potentially fraud, however. >>>> >>> >>> Every broadband connection is NOT unlimited. >>> Mine is currently 200GB per calendar month, which was 60GB then 100GB. >> >> You're the exception rather than the rule. > > Depends. Spain has a very deep fibre coverage, but there are rural areas > without. If you have to depend on a router with a SIM card, That's not broadband in my book. It's mobile data. > many > providers limit the downloads per month. Even if you contract a > limitless connection, in actual practice they have limits, and may > severe your connection if you download movies every day. None of this is relevant to a neighbour accidentally connecting to your wifi. My point is there is no theft as there's no deprivation of internet access. > I had a beach residence with such a connection. Land line copper > connection had been available, till the entire copper network was > decommissioned, and they did not deploy fibre to every place that had > copper previously. Just 200 meters away. Like I said. That's an exception.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-03 14:02 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? |
| Message-ID | <evo50mx1q1.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #190041 |
On 2025-12-02 23:23, Chris wrote: > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 2025-12-02 15:11, Chris wrote: >>> wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 01/12/2025 18:04, Chris wrote: >>>>> wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote: >>>>>>>> On 26/11/2025 13:55, micky wrote: >>>>>>>>> OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm >>>>>>>>> sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the >>>>>>>>> web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?. I would think >>>>>>>>> not but just want to be sure. He's a smart guy but no tech genius >>>>>>>>> afaik. If he were a tech wiz, could he do it? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My wifi has been giving me trouble since February, and last night on the >>>>>>>>> upstairs computer, the cable internet would not work either. The >>>>>>>>> Troubleshooter said the cable wasn't in, and indeed, I had sometimes >>>>>>>>> gotten success by pushing it in further, a millimeter, but that didn't >>>>>>>>> work last night. Even though the Verizon FIOS fiberoptic phone was >>>>>>>>> working and the Verizon box has a flashing led for the cable that goes >>>>>>>>> to my computer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a >>>>>>>>> neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his, >>>>>>>>> it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I >>>>>>>>> thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my >>>>>>>>> laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit. >>>>>>> Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no >>>>>>> evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the >>>>>>> OP could tighten up his settings a bit. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing >>>>>> about having permission. >>>>>> Until clarified it is bandwidth theft. >>>>> >>>>> Theft requires that someone is deprived of something. Given every broadband >>>>> connection is unlimited there is no "deprivation". >>>>> >>>>> Using something without paying for it is potentially fraud, however. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Every broadband connection is NOT unlimited. >>>> Mine is currently 200GB per calendar month, which was 60GB then 100GB. >>> >>> You're the exception rather than the rule. >> >> Depends. Spain has a very deep fibre coverage, but there are rural areas >> without. If you have to depend on a router with a SIM card, > > That's not broadband in my book. It's mobile data. It is the mobile network, but used with fixed hardware. A router with a SIM. > >> many >> providers limit the downloads per month. Even if you contract a >> limitless connection, in actual practice they have limits, and may >> severe your connection if you download movies every day. > > None of this is relevant to a neighbour accidentally connecting to your > wifi. My point is there is no theft as there's no deprivation of internet > access. They use the limited bandwidth per month of the connection. The user might find that his connection ends early and doesn't have internet on day 20. > >> I had a beach residence with such a connection. Land line copper >> connection had been available, till the entire copper network was >> decommissioned, and they did not deploy fibre to every place that had >> copper previously. Just 200 meters away. > > Like I said. That's an exception. Not an exception, there are many thousand people that have to use that service because there is no fibre or copper at their homes. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-04 18:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? |
| Message-ID | <10gskbj$hss9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #190056 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2025-12-02 23:23, Chris wrote: >> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> On 2025-12-02 15:11, Chris wrote: >>>> wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On 01/12/2025 18:04, Chris wrote: >>>>>> wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote: >>>>>>>> On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 26/11/2025 13:55, micky wrote: >>>>>>>>>> OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm >>>>>>>>>> sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the >>>>>>>>>> web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?. I would think >>>>>>>>>> not but just want to be sure. He's a smart guy but no tech genius >>>>>>>>>> afaik. If he were a tech wiz, could he do it? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My wifi has been giving me trouble since February, and last night on the >>>>>>>>>> upstairs computer, the cable internet would not work either. The >>>>>>>>>> Troubleshooter said the cable wasn't in, and indeed, I had sometimes >>>>>>>>>> gotten success by pushing it in further, a millimeter, but that didn't >>>>>>>>>> work last night. Even though the Verizon FIOS fiberoptic phone was >>>>>>>>>> working and the Verizon box has a flashing led for the cable that goes >>>>>>>>>> to my computer. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a >>>>>>>>>> neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his, >>>>>>>>>> it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I >>>>>>>>>> thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my >>>>>>>>>> laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit. >>>>>>>> Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no >>>>>>>> evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the >>>>>>>> OP could tighten up his settings a bit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing >>>>>>> about having permission. >>>>>>> Until clarified it is bandwidth theft. >>>>>> >>>>>> Theft requires that someone is deprived of something. Given every broadband >>>>>> connection is unlimited there is no "deprivation". >>>>>> >>>>>> Using something without paying for it is potentially fraud, however. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Every broadband connection is NOT unlimited. >>>>> Mine is currently 200GB per calendar month, which was 60GB then 100GB. >>>> >>>> You're the exception rather than the rule. >>> >>> Depends. Spain has a very deep fibre coverage, but there are rural areas >>> without. If you have to depend on a router with a SIM card, >> >> That's not broadband in my book. It's mobile data. > > It is the mobile network, but used with fixed hardware. A router with a SIM. > > >> >>> many >>> providers limit the downloads per month. Even if you contract a >>> limitless connection, in actual practice they have limits, and may >>> severe your connection if you download movies every day. >> >> None of this is relevant to a neighbour accidentally connecting to your >> wifi. My point is there is no theft as there's no deprivation of internet >> access. > > They use the limited bandwidth per month of the connection. The user > might find that his connection ends early and doesn't have internet on > day 20. > >> >>> I had a beach residence with such a connection. Land line copper >>> connection had been available, till the entire copper network was >>> decommissioned, and they did not deploy fibre to every place that had >>> copper previously. Just 200 meters away. >> >> Like I said. That's an exception. > > Not an exception, there are many thousand people that have to use that > service because there is no fibre or copper at their homes. Compared to the 10s of millions who don't have to resort to mobile data, it is the exception.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-12-04 18:42 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? |
| Message-ID | <mpe30hF8ad2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #190090 |
Chris wrote: > Compared to the 10s of millions who don't have to resort to mobile data, it > is the exception. WiMax is (was?) another type of exception used in Spain.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-04 23:20 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? |
| Message-ID | <mpejaeFao54U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #190090 |
On Thu, 4 Dec 2025 18:36:35 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > Compared to the 10s of millions who don't have to resort to mobile data, > it is the exception. Speaking as an exception, it's either Verizon wireless or StarLink. You know that 'last mile' they talk about? I live on that road.
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2025-12-05 19:54 +1100 |
| Subject | Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? |
| Message-ID | <10gu6l2$15uio$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #190090 |
On 5/12/2025 5:36 am, Chris wrote: > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 2025-12-02 23:23, Chris wrote: >>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: <Snip> >>>> I had a beach residence with such a connection. Land line copper >>>> connection had been available, till the entire copper network was >>>> decommissioned, and they did not deploy fibre to every place that had >>>> copper previously. Just 200 meters away. >>> >>> Like I said. That's an exception. >> >> Not an exception, there are many thousand people that have to use that >> service because there is no fibre or copper at their homes. > > Compared to the 10s of millions who don't have to resort to mobile data, it > is the exception. > I thought 'exception' meant it didn't exist AT ALL!! -- Daniel70
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| From | John <Man@the.keyboard> |
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| Date | 2025-12-03 14:52 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? |
| Message-ID | <ggj0jk5phs4dirqcc30mg2hugmf4p7gj0e@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #189988 |
On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 09:21:27 +0000, wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com>
wrote:
>On 28/11/2025 19:03, Paul wrote:
>> On Fri, 11/28/2025 3:47 AM, wasbit wrote:
>>> On 26/11/2025 13:55, micky wrote:
>>>> OT?? if I'm using someone else's wifi, can he tell what's in email I'm
>>>> sending or receiving, can he tell what I'm sending or receiving on the
>>>> web, or what I'm sending or receiving here on Usenet?. I would think
>>>> not but just want to be sure. He's a smart guy but no tech genius
>>>> afaik. If he were a tech wiz, could he do it?
>>>>
>>>> My wifi has been giving me trouble since February, and last night on the
>>>> upstairs computer, the cable internet would not work either. The
>>>> Troubleshooter said the cable wasn't in, and indeed, I had sometimes
>>>> gotten success by pushing it in further, a millimeter, but that didn't
>>>> work last night. Even though the Verizon FIOS fiberoptic phone was
>>>> working and the Verizon box has a flashing led for the cable that goes
>>>> to my computer.
>>>>
>>>> This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a
>>>> neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his,
>>>> it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I
>>>> thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my
>>>> laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hmmm! 19 replies & not a mention of bandwidth theft.
>>
>> It seems to be mostly a tale about semi-broken or half-functional kit.
>> Since the OP has his own paid Internet service, there is no
>> evidence of "100% leeching" going on, particularly. I bet the
>> OP could tighten up his settings a bit.
>>
>
>The OP knows he has connected to the neighbour's wifi but said nothing
>about having permission.
>Until clarified it is bandwidth theft.
OP can, of course, tell Windows to "forget" every Network apart from
his very own one. That way, it will ask for a password when trying to
log in, so he'd be able to tell it not to.
He can also make his preferred network the default so it will login
first.
J.
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-29 00:00 +0800 |
| Subject | Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? |
| Message-ID | <10gcgu3$2hvoh$1@toylet.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #189920 |
On 26/11/2025 9:55 pm, micky wrote: > > This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a > neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his, > it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I > thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my > laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. Your neighbor's internet belongs not to you. Stop using it. :) Contact your cable service provider to fix the modem problem. Does it have LAN ports? Are they still working? -- @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!! /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/ ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-29 14:36 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? |
| Message-ID | <kf9rvlx4at.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #189951 |
On 2025-11-28 17:00, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: > On 26/11/2025 9:55 pm, micky wrote: >> >> This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a >> neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his, >> it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I >> thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my >> laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. > > Your neighbor's internet belongs not to you. Stop using it. :) It is that neighbour responsibility to close the door, ie, put a password on his WiFi. There are computers and phones that will connect automatically (by default) to any open WiFi without asking. > > Contact your cable service provider to fix the modem problem. Does it > have LAN ports? Are they still working? > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-30 12:52 +0800 |
| Subject | Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? |
| Message-ID | <10ggiie$1jnj$1@toylet.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #189977 |
On 29/11/2025 9:36 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-11-28 17:00, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: >> On 26/11/2025 9:55 pm, micky wrote: >>> >>> This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a >>> neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his, >>> it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I >>> thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my >>> laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. >> >> Your neighbor's internet belongs not to you. Stop using it. :) > > It is that neighbour responsibility to close the door, ie, put a > password on his WiFi. > > There are computers and phones that will connect automatically (by > default) to any open WiFi without asking. You do NOT take advantage of others' mistakes. :) -- @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!! /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/ ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-11-30 13:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT? Can my neiighbor, whose wifi I'm using, see what I'm doing? |
| Message-ID | <10ghhvv$9bvp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #189983 |
On 2025/11/30 4:52:29, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: > On 29/11/2025 9:36 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-11-28 17:00, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: >>> On 26/11/2025 9:55 pm, micky wrote: >>>> >>>> This morning I rebooted and on its own, it connected to the wifi of a >>>> neighbor, but not to my own wifi Hmmm after 30 minutes of using his, >>>> it just switched to my wifi. But still not to the cable, which I >>>> thought would take priority, plusd last night the Troubleshooter said my >>>> laptop's wifi was bad too, the one that hasn't worked since February. >>> >>> Your neighbor's internet belongs not to you. Stop using it. :) >> >> It is that neighbour responsibility to close the door, ie, put a >> password on his WiFi. >> >> There are computers and phones that will connect automatically (by >> default) to any open WiFi without asking. > > You do NOT take advantage of others' mistakes. :) > Carlos was pointing out that some things will connect to any open wifi, _without the user knowing_. That is not "taking advantage" - or if it is, your opprobrium needs to be addressed to the makers of such equipment, not the users. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf I'd rather trust the guys in the lab coats who aren't demanding that I get up early on Sundays to apologize for being human. -- Captain Splendid (quoted by "The Real Bev" in mozilla.general, 2014-11-16)
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