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OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour

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First post2018-10-13 14:40 -0400
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  OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-10-13 14:40 -0400
    Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 19:14 +0000
    Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2018-10-13 15:39 -0400
      Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour Big Al <Big_Al@invalid.com> - 2018-10-13 16:00 -0400
    Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-10-13 16:54 -0400
    Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-17 01:08 +0100
      Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-17 02:22 +0100
        Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-10-16 21:30 -0400
          Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2018-10-16 20:38 -0500
            Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-16 21:51 -0400
              Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-16 22:11 -0400
                Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-17 03:22 +0100
          Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-16 21:58 -0400
          Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 06:38 +0000
            Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-17 02:48 -0400
              Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-10-17 11:17 -0400
                Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-17 12:21 -0400
                  Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-10-17 13:28 -0400
                Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-10-17 13:26 -0400
                  Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-17 13:31 -0400
                Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 17:32 +0000
                  Re: OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-17 13:36 -0400

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#76464 — OT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour

FromWolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>
Date2018-10-13 14:40 -0400
SubjectOT: Boston Dynamics Robot does Parkour
Message-ID<G_qwD.238030$cL2.71546@fx43.iad>
Just to lighten the mood here. It's been getting pretty dense  lately.

https://www.wired.com/story/watch-boston-dynamics-humanoid-robot-do-parkour/

Enjoy!
-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
Complexity is not a condition to be tamed, but a lesson to be learned. 
(James Bridley, 2018)

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#76469

FromChris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-13 19:14 +0000
Message-ID<pptg6t$2rf$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76464
Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Just to lighten the mood here. It's been getting pretty dense  lately.
> 
> https://www.wired.com/story/watch-boston-dynamics-humanoid-robot-do-parkour/
> 
> Enjoy!

What the team at Boston Dynamics managed to achieve fills me with equal
measures of awe and dread. Amazing!

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#76472

FromNil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net>
Date2018-10-13 15:39 -0400
Message-ID<XnsA97A9F412D386nilch1@wheedledeedle.moc>
In reply to#76464
On 13 Oct 2018, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10: 

> Just to lighten the mood here. It's been getting pretty dense 
> lately. 
> 
> https://www.wired.com/story/watch-boston-dynamics-humanoid-robot-do-parkour/ 

Cool!

But creepy...

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#76475

FromBig Al <Big_Al@invalid.com>
Date2018-10-13 16:00 -0400
Message-ID<pptitq$6g8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76472
On 10/13/2018 03:39 PM, Nil wrote:
> On 13 Oct 2018, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> alt.comp.os.windows-10:
> 
>> Just to lighten the mood here. It's been getting pretty dense
>> lately.
>>
>> https://www.wired.com/story/watch-boston-dynamics-humanoid-robot-do-parkour/
> 
> Cool!
> 
> But creepy...
> 
Yes I'd say!.   What will my grandkids see in the next 40 years?!

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#76479

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2018-10-13 16:54 -0400
Message-ID<pptm1r$3t5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76464
Wolf K wrote:
> Just to lighten the mood here. It's been getting pretty dense  lately.
> 
> https://www.wired.com/story/watch-boston-dynamics-humanoid-robot-do-parkour/ 
> 
> 
> Enjoy!

Imagine 100,000 of those running across a plain towards
you, armed with broadswords. But not yelling anything,
because the developer didn't pay for the voice option.
All you'd hear is a 100,000 tin-can noises before you're
chopped to bits.

And if they can do that, why not make one that looks
like Robbie the Robot and says things like "Danger,
Will Robinson". Think how many lithium batteries you
could fit in a tub like this. And the range you'd get.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG0ochx16Dg

By the way, Boston Dynamics is no longer owned by Google.

    "Boston Dynamics is a wholly owned subsidiary of the
     Japanese conglomerate SoftBank Group."

Expect that thing lunging up the crates to be offered
as the next Aibo. You'll have to arrange some crates
in the back yard, to keep it busy.

    Paul

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#76684

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2018-10-17 01:08 +0100
Message-ID<g2ncsfFu63tU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76464
Wolf K wrote:

> Just to lighten the mood here. It's been getting pretty dense  lately.
> https://www.wired.com/story/watch-boston-dynamics-humanoid-robot-do-parkour/ 

And their "other" robot dances better than me ...

<https://youtu.be/kHBcVlqpvZ8>

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#76691

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2018-10-17 02:22 +0100
Message-ID<g2nh78Fg88U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76684
Andy Burns wrote:

> And their "other" robot dances better than me ...
> <https://youtu.be/kHBcVlqpvZ8>

Pulled for music infringement I assume, Mark Ronson must have no sense 
of humour :-(

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#76692

FromWolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>
Date2018-10-16 21:30 -0400
Message-ID<ohwxD.117925$xo2.95985@fx31.iad>
In reply to#76691
On 2018-10-16 21:22, Andy Burns wrote:
> Andy Burns wrote:
> 
>> And their "other" robot dances better than me ...
>> <https://youtu.be/kHBcVlqpvZ8>
> 
> Pulled for music infringement I assume, Mark Ronson must have no sense 
> of humour :-(


Played OK here.

Nicely done.

Question: did the BD people program the machine to match the music step 
by step, or did they use an algorithm for converting audio into motion?

-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
Complexity is not a condition to be tamed, but a lesson to be learned. 
(James Bridley, 2018)

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#76693

FromChar Jackson <none@none.invalid>
Date2018-10-16 20:38 -0500
Message-ID<bk4dsd51bfeb1lh326igk1ifcb88ts5obb@4ax.com>
In reply to#76692
On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 21:30:58 -0400, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2018-10-16 21:22, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>> 
>>> And their "other" robot dances better than me ...
>>> <https://youtu.be/kHBcVlqpvZ8>
>> 
>> Pulled for music infringement I assume, Mark Ronson must have no sense 
>> of humour :-(
>
>
>Played OK here.

Same here. Cool video.

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#76694

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-10-16 21:51 -0400
Message-ID<161020182151382444%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#76693
In article <bk4dsd51bfeb1lh326igk1ifcb88ts5obb@4ax.com>, Char Jackson
<none@none.invalid> wrote:

> >>> And their "other" robot dances better than me ...
> >>> <https://youtu.be/kHBcVlqpvZ8>
> >> 
> >> Pulled for music infringement I assume, Mark Ronson must have no sense 
> >> of humour :-(
> >
> >Played OK here.
> 
> Same here. Cool video.

it played here too, however, it's been pulled.

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#76696

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-10-16 22:11 -0400
Message-ID<161020182211183292%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#76694
In article <161020182151382444%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > >>> And their "other" robot dances better than me ...
> > >>> <https://youtu.be/kHBcVlqpvZ8>
> > >> 
> > >> Pulled for music infringement I assume, Mark Ronson must have no sense 
> > >> of humour :-(
> > >
> > >Played OK here.
> > 
> > Same here. Cool video.
> 
> it played here too, however, it's been pulled.

actually, it looks like youtube is currently broken. all videos are
giving an error right now.

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#76697

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2018-10-17 03:22 +0100
Message-ID<g2nknsF1555U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76696
nospam wrote:

> actually, it looks like youtube is currently broken. all videos are
> giving an error right now.

Yep.

Plus the music description on the 'uptown spot' video says it's licenced.

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#76695

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-10-16 21:58 -0400
Message-ID<161020182158126116%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#76692
In article <ohwxD.117925$xo2.95985@fx31.iad>, Wolf K
<wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> 
> Question: did the BD people program the machine to match the music step 
> by step, or did they use an algorithm for converting audio into motion?

given that it was choreographed, they clearly had to have programmed in
the steps, either precisely timed, or it listened to the audio to match
the music. my guess is the latter.

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#76707

FromChris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-17 06:38 +0000
Message-ID<pq6ld6$80f$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76692
Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On 2018-10-16 21:22, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>> 
>>> And their "other" robot dances better than me ...
>>> <https://youtu.be/kHBcVlqpvZ8>
>> 
>> Pulled for music infringement I assume, Mark Ronson must have no sense 
>> of humour :-(
> 
> 
> Played OK here.
> 
> Nicely done.
> 
> Question: did the BD people program the machine to match the music step 
> by step, or did they use an algorithm for converting audio into motion?

It'll be programmed. Dancing in time to music is an extremely complex
process. The motor planning and reactions will be too slow if purely
algorithmic. 

Far easier to fix timing issues in video post processing ;)

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#76708

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-10-17 02:48 -0400
Message-ID<171020180248062081%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#76707
In article <pq6ld6$80f$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

> > Question: did the BD people program the machine to match the music step 
> > by step, or did they use an algorithm for converting audio into motion?
> 
> It'll be programmed. Dancing in time to music is an extremely complex
> process. 

yet humans manage to do it every day.

> The motor planning and reactions will be too slow if purely
> algorithmic. 

which can be accounted for.

matching the rhythm of the music is a lot easier than trying to time
everything exactly.

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#76726

FromWolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>
Date2018-10-17 11:17 -0400
Message-ID<boIxD.107594$XG2.3922@fx16.iad>
In reply to#76708
On 2018-10-17 02:48, nospam wrote:
> In article <pq6ld6$80f$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>> Question: did the BD people program the machine to match the music step
>>> by step, or did they use an algorithm for converting audio into motion?
>>
>> It'll be programmed. Dancing in time to music is an extremely complex
>> process.
> 
> yet humans manage to do it every day.
> 
>> The motor planning and reactions will be too slow if purely
>> algorithmic.
> 
> which can be accounted for.
> 
> matching the rhythm of the music is a lot easier than trying to time
> everything exactly.
> 

nopsam's comments imply that both preprogrammed moves and algorithmic 
analysis of audio were used. If the B/D people play some 
randomly-selected song, will the robo-dog dance to that, too? That would 
IMO suggest that his speculations are correct.

-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
Complexity is not a condition to be tamed, but a lesson to be learned. 
(James Bridley, 2018)

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#76730

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-10-17 12:21 -0400
Message-ID<171020181221169015%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#76726
In article <boIxD.107594$XG2.3922@fx16.iad>, Wolf K
<wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> >>> Question: did the BD people program the machine to match the music step
> >>> by step, or did they use an algorithm for converting audio into motion?
> >>
> >> It'll be programmed. Dancing in time to music is an extremely complex
> >> process.
> > 
> > yet humans manage to do it every day.
> > 
> >> The motor planning and reactions will be too slow if purely
> >> algorithmic.
> > 
> > which can be accounted for.
> > 
> > matching the rhythm of the music is a lot easier than trying to time
> > everything exactly.
> 
> nopsam's comments imply that both preprogrammed moves and algorithmic 
> analysis of audio were used. If the B/D people play some 
> randomly-selected song, will the robo-dog dance to that, too? That would 
> IMO suggest that his speculations are correct.

that's not quite what i said, and a different song would require
different steps. it might move in rhythm, but it won't look that good.

what i said was they likely programmed in various dance steps and then
choreographed a dance for that particular song using those steps, with
the timing based on the actual audio.

determining bpm of the music is very easy (not what i would call
'algorithmic analysis') and the motor ballistics are known.

the hard part is the choreography :)

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#76734

FromWolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>
Date2018-10-17 13:28 -0400
Message-ID<ajKxD.532189$4S3.475621@fx47.iad>
In reply to#76730
On 2018-10-17 12:21, nospam wrote:
> In article <boIxD.107594$XG2.3922@fx16.iad>, Wolf K
> <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> 
>>>>> Question: did the BD people program the machine to match the music step
>>>>> by step, or did they use an algorithm for converting audio into motion?
>>>>
>>>> It'll be programmed. Dancing in time to music is an extremely complex
>>>> process.
>>>
>>> yet humans manage to do it every day.
>>>
>>>> The motor planning and reactions will be too slow if purely
>>>> algorithmic.
>>>
>>> which can be accounted for.
>>>
>>> matching the rhythm of the music is a lot easier than trying to time
>>> everything exactly.
>>
>> nopsam's comments imply that both preprogrammed moves and algorithmic
>> analysis of audio were used. If the B/D people play some
>> randomly-selected song, will the robo-dog dance to that, too? That would
>> IMO suggest that his speculations are correct.
> 
> that's not quite what i said, and a different song would require
> different steps. it might move in rhythm, but it won't look that good.
> 
> what i said was they likely programmed in various dance steps

i.e., moves.

Etc.

-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
Complexity is not a condition to be tamed, but a lesson to be learned. 
(James Bridley, 2018)

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#76732

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2018-10-17 13:26 -0400
Message-ID<pq7rcq$8gv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76726
Wolf K wrote:
> On 2018-10-17 02:48, nospam wrote:
>> In article <pq6ld6$80f$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Question: did the BD people program the machine to match the music step
>>>> by step, or did they use an algorithm for converting audio into motion?
>>>
>>> It'll be programmed. Dancing in time to music is an extremely complex
>>> process.
>>
>> yet humans manage to do it every day.
>>
>>> The motor planning and reactions will be too slow if purely
>>> algorithmic.
>>
>> which can be accounted for.
>>
>> matching the rhythm of the music is a lot easier than trying to time
>> everything exactly.
>>
> 
> nopsam's comments imply that both preprogrammed moves and algorithmic 
> analysis of audio were used. If the B/D people play some 
> randomly-selected song, will the robo-dog dance to that, too? That would 
> IMO suggest that his speculations are correct.
> 

Choreography takes as much creativity as writing music.

You'd want to see, if for the music they selected for
that video, there was a music-video available. And if the
human dancer in the video did similar moves. That would
tell you where the inspiration came from.

    Paul

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#76736

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-10-17 13:31 -0400
Message-ID<171020181331281690%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#76732
In article <pq7rcq$8gv$1@dont-email.me>, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
wrote:

> 
> Choreography takes as much creativity as writing music.

yep

> You'd want to see, if for the music they selected for
> that video, there was a music-video available. And if the
> human dancer in the video did similar moves. That would
> tell you where the inspiration came from.

it doesn't have to match existing choreographies.

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