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Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8

Started byJeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com>
First post2015-09-12 19:49 +0200
Last post2015-09-20 15:20 -0700
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  Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Jeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> - 2015-09-12 19:49 +0200
    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2015-09-12 19:15 +0100
      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chicagofan <me7@privacy.net> - 2015-09-12 15:08 -0400
        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-12 15:54 -0400
          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-12 23:03 -0500
          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-09-19 16:07 +0000
            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-19 13:51 -0400
        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Bubba <Bub@ba> - 2015-09-13 15:14 +0200
          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-13 11:46 -0600
            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-13 11:49 -0700
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Jenny Telia <jnytelia@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 09:26 +0200
                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-14 12:06 -0400
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2015-09-14 12:16 -0400
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-09-14 14:42 -0300
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 17:45 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 11:49 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-14 19:33 -0400
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-14 20:22 -0400
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2015-09-14 22:51 +0000
                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2015-09-14 22:51 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-14 19:42 -0400
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 23:55 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-15 08:46 -0400
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-15 10:26 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 17:34 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-15 11:03 -0700
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 18:11 +0000
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2015-09-15 22:30 +0200
                                Re: chrisv loses argument, resorts to vandalism, snicker. Re: dizum coward's post deleted, unread "P.M." <pm@example.com> - 2015-09-18 01:16 +0200
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-15 13:13 -0500
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 18:15 +0000
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-15 20:08 -0400
                                Turdv is just retarded, so filter out this potty mouth villain. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:22 -0600
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-15 14:15 -0400
                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-15 14:14 -0400
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-14 11:48 -0600
            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Neil <neil@myplaceofwork.com> - 2015-09-13 15:32 -0400
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-13 18:54 -0400
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-14 11:50 -0600
                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 17:56 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-14 21:15 -0600
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-14 20:26 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 20:42 -0700
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 20:43 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-15 06:14 -0400
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-15 10:27 -0700
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-09-15 14:45 -0300
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:36 -0600
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-16 07:59 -0400
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 05:39 -0700
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-16 14:12 -0400
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 23:36 -0700
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:34 -0600
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:34 -0600
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:28 -0600
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 20:40 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-14 21:55 -0700
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-15 10:30 -0700
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:40 -0600
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-16 09:51 -0500
                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 18:28 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-16 11:46 -0700
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 23:37 -0700
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 07:32 -0500
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 12:40 +0000
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 13:10 -0600
                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-16 12:51 -0700
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 19:56 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-16 15:13 -0500
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 20:17 +0000
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-09-16 17:25 -0400
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 21:40 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-09-16 17:45 -0400
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 22:18 +0000
                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-09-16 18:27 -0400
                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 22:35 +0000
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-16 18:50 -0700
                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 07:37 -0500
                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-17 18:59 -0500
                                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 00:04 +0000
                                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 17:16 -0700
                                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 17:15 -0700
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-16 14:47 -0700
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 07:25 -0500
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 12:41 +0000
                                    Chrisv is a worthless advocate. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 13:15 -0600
                                      Re: Chrisv is a worthless advocate. Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 19:30 +0000
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 13:14 -0600
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-16 13:24 -0700
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 13:12 -0600
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 23:38 -0700
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-17 06:05 -0400
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-17 03:57 -0700
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-17 13:33 +0200
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-17 07:47 -0400
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 08:05 -0500
                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-17 10:44 -0400
                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-17 17:28 +0200
                                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-17 13:00 -0700
                                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 15:09 -0500
                                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-17 19:09 -0500
                                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-17 19:02 -0700
                                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 02:19 +0000
                                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-18 09:21 +0200
                                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-18 07:08 -0500
                                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-18 09:25 -0400
                                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-18 08:15 -0700
                                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-18 10:52 -0700
                                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-18 11:04 -0700
                                                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-18 22:06 -0700
                                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-18 11:06 -0700
                                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-18 09:22 -0400
                                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-18 10:47 -0700
                                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-21 03:20 -0500
                                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-21 03:16 -0700
                                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-21 20:59 -0500
                                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-21 19:06 -0700
                                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-22 09:53 -0400
                                                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 10:23 -0700
                                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-21 21:09 -0700
                                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-09-18 12:30 -0300
                                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-18 10:45 -0700
                                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-18 10:32 -0700
                                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-18 13:30 -0700
                                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 15:50 -0600
                                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-18 13:41 -0700
                                                  There is no FOSS Culling Committee Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-22 01:40 -0500
                                                    Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 06:34 -0700
                                                    Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-09-22 10:34 -0300
                                                      Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 06:44 -0700
                                                      Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-22 08:54 -0500
                                                      Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-22 09:35 -0700
                                                      Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-22 18:39 -0600
                                                        Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-23 09:56 -0400
                                                          Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-23 12:25 -0600
                                                    Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Yrrah <Yrrah-acf@acf.invalid> - 2015-09-22 16:28 +0200
                                                      Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2015-09-22 15:45 +0100
                                                    Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-22 10:38 -0700
                                                      Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-22 12:54 -0500
                                                        Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-22 16:41 -0700
                                                          Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-22 19:09 -0500
                                                            Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-22 20:58 -0700
                                                              Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-27 03:38 -0500
                                                                Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-27 12:14 +0200
                                                                Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-27 07:05 -0400
                                                          Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-23 02:14 +0200
                                                            Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-23 07:09 -0500
                                                              Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-23 09:53 -0400
                                                            Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-23 12:26 -0600
                                                              Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-09-23 17:44 -0300
                                                                Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-23 16:06 -0500
                                                                  Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-23 17:17 -0400
                                                                  Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-24 16:07 -0600
                                                                    Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-25 09:23 -0400
                                                                Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-23 17:07 -0400
                                                                Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-24 16:06 -0600
                                                                  Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-25 09:21 -0400
                                                                    Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-25 12:21 -0600
                                                                      Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-25 18:01 -0400
                                                                        Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "Dr. John Grubor" <grubor@grubor.org.invalid> - 2015-09-26 00:20 +0000
                                                        Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-22 18:42 -0600
                                                      Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-22 18:56 -0500
                                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2015-09-28 17:33 -0500
                                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-18 07:25 -0500
                                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-18 10:54 -0700
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-17 10:17 -0700
                                      Chris Ahlstrom is a lin-troll and hypocrite. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 13:17 -0600
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 07:43 -0500
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 12:49 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 13:17 -0600
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 07:29 -0500
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-21 03:07 -0500
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 10:10 +0200
                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-21 11:58 -0600
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 20:41 +0200
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-21 13:41 -0700
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 22:45 +0200
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-21 14:06 -0700
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-21 16:46 -0700
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-22 09:41 +0200
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 05:41 -0700
                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 06:35 -0700
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 05:50 -0700
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-22 09:59 -0400
                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 09:53 -0700
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-21 14:49 -0600
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 23:14 +0200
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-22 18:43 -0600
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-21 17:12 -0400
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 23:15 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:40 -0600
          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2015-09-13 19:56 +0100
            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2015-09-14 04:46 -0400
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-14 10:49 +0200
                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-14 11:52 -0600
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 12:05 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 14:05 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 17:37 -0700
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 18:07 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 20:50 -0700
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 21:51 -0700
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-15 11:01 -0700
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-15 11:16 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-14 21:18 -0600
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 20:52 -0700
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:44 -0600
                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2015-09-14 20:11 -0400
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 17:41 -0700
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-15 09:52 +0200
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Jenny Telia <jnytelia@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 15:32 +0200
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-16 17:58 +0200
      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Johnny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2015-09-12 20:07 +0000
      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Bubba <Bub@ba> - 2015-09-13 14:16 +0200
    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-12 13:48 -0600
      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 22:28 +0000
        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-13 00:33 +0200
          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lehman <drlehman022@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 23:46 +0100
            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-13 00:59 +0200
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> - 2015-09-13 21:20 +0200
                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "Dr. John Grubor" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-13 20:08 +0000
            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-12 22:48 -0700
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-13 03:56 -0500
                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-13 10:38 -0700
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-13 10:42 -0700
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-13 13:26 -0500
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-13 11:37 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-13 14:02 -0500
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-14 10:02 -0400
                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-14 16:50 +0200
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-14 11:53 -0400
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-14 09:18 -0400
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 09:34 -0700
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 12:10 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 19:12 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-14 13:01 -0700
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 20:04 +0000
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 13:14 -0700
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-14 14:19 -0700
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 21:26 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-15 00:35 +0200
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 22:44 +0000
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 16:03 -0700
                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-15 01:16 +0200
                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 23:25 +0000
                                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 16:51 -0700
                                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 23:53 +0000
                                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 23:57 +0000
                                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-15 10:00 +0200
                                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 12:12 +0000
                                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-15 14:27 +0200
                                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 12:35 +0000
                                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-15 07:42 -0500
                                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 12:50 +0000
                                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-15 11:17 -0700
                                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:19 -0600
                                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-15 10:00 -0700
                                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-15 09:58 -0700
                                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:18 -0600
                                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 17:03 -0700
                                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 00:22 +0000
                                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 17:34 -0700
                                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 00:47 +0000
                                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 18:07 -0700
                                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 21:00 -0700
                                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-15 08:48 -0400
                                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-15 10:01 -0700
                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 16:33 -0700
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 14:29 -0700
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-16 10:20 -0500
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 10:37 -0700
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-16 12:51 -0500
                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 23:31 -0700
                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 07:13 -0500
                                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-17 10:37 -0700
                                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-26 14:30 -0500
                                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-26 21:01 +0000
                                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-26 14:51 -0700
                                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-26 22:03 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-09-16 18:23 +0000
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 23:33 -0700
                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 11:42 -0700
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-16 12:39 -0700
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-16 15:15 -0500
                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 20:21 +0000
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-21 02:55 -0500
                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 10:08 +0200
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-20 17:37 -0500
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-20 15:39 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 13:25 -0700
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-13 11:33 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-13 11:39 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 14:46 -0400
                      Where are Micheal Glasser's quotes? Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-13 13:56 -0500
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-13 12:24 -0700
          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2015-09-13 00:09 +0100
            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-13 01:11 +0200
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2015-09-13 00:16 +0100
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-12 22:59 -0400
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-12 21:00 -0600
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> - 2015-09-13 21:28 +0200
          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-12 20:59 -0600
        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> - 2015-09-13 21:12 +0200
          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-14 11:42 -0600
          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-22 19:00 -0500
            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-23 09:51 -0400
            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-23 12:22 -0600
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-09-23 17:46 -0300
                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-24 16:04 -0600
    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-09-12 16:49 -0400
      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-12 21:02 -0600
      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-12 22:54 -0700
      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2015-09-13 14:29 -0500
        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-13 13:18 -0700
          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows  8 Euclides Zoto <euclides_zoto@optimum.net> - 2015-09-19 12:30 -0700
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#8012

From"A.M" <.m@nsn.s>
Date2015-09-14 19:42 -0400
Message-ID<mt7ltp$s39$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#8000
On 2015-09-14 6:51 PM, Diesel wrote:
> Jenny Telia <jnytelia@gmail.com> news:mt5sna$heq$1@dont-email.me
> Mon, 14 Sep 2015 07:26:01 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: 
> 
>> On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support
>>> at this time, but may in the future...]
>>>
>>> Don't count out IBM.
>>>
>>
>> Haha haaaa...
>>
>> Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2? The Chinese make their PCs
>> now ('Lenovo') and IBM have become what they always were in spirit
>> - an 'empty suit' organisation.  Yes, Bill Gates helped pull the
>> rug under their feet. However they were always destined for
>> mediocrity. May they RIP ('Rot in Peace').
>>
> 
> OS2/Warp was a superior OS to Windows. It suffered from piss poor 
> marketing by comparison and some shady shit MS pulled. I ran Os/2 Warp 
> v4 myself.. it rocked on a 486!

Well, OS/2 still exists as eComStation. You're free to use IT rather
than Windows or Linux.


-- 
A.M

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#8015

FromLloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-14 23:55 +0000
Message-ID<d5p52qFmug5U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#8012
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 19:42:35 -0400, A.M wrote:

> On 2015-09-14 6:51 PM, Diesel wrote:
>> Jenny Telia <jnytelia@gmail.com> news:mt5sna$heq$1@dont-email.me Mon,
>> 14 Sep 2015 07:26:01 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:
>> 
>>> On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support at
>>>> this time, but may in the future...]
>>>>
>>>> Don't count out IBM.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Haha haaaa...
>>>
>>> Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2? The Chinese make their PCs now
>>> ('Lenovo') and IBM have become what they always were in spirit - an
>>> 'empty suit' organisation.  Yes, Bill Gates helped pull the rug under
>>> their feet. However they were always destined for mediocrity. May they
>>> RIP ('Rot in Peace').
>>>
>>>
>> OS2/Warp was a superior OS to Windows. It suffered from piss poor
>> marketing by comparison and some shady shit MS pulled. I ran Os/2 Warp
>> v4 myself.. it rocked on a 486!
> 
> Well, OS/2 still exists as eComStation. You're free to use IT rather
> than Windows or Linux.

While I loved OS/2 that ship has sailed...   :(



-- 
Lloyd

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#8058

From"A.M" <.m@nsn.s>
Date2015-09-15 08:46 -0400
Message-ID<mt93s8$8br$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#8015
On 2015-09-14 7:55 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 19:42:35 -0400, A.M wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-09-14 6:51 PM, Diesel wrote:
>>> Jenny Telia <jnytelia@gmail.com> news:mt5sna$heq$1@dont-email.me Mon,
>>> 14 Sep 2015 07:26:01 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support at
>>>>> this time, but may in the future...]
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't count out IBM.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Haha haaaa...
>>>>
>>>> Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2? The Chinese make their PCs now
>>>> ('Lenovo') and IBM have become what they always were in spirit - an
>>>> 'empty suit' organisation.  Yes, Bill Gates helped pull the rug under
>>>> their feet. However they were always destined for mediocrity. May they
>>>> RIP ('Rot in Peace').
>>>>
>>>>
>>> OS2/Warp was a superior OS to Windows. It suffered from piss poor
>>> marketing by comparison and some shady shit MS pulled. I ran Os/2 Warp
>>> v4 myself.. it rocked on a 486!
>>
>> Well, OS/2 still exists as eComStation. You're free to use IT rather
>> than Windows or Linux.
> 
> While I loved OS/2 that ship has sailed...   :(

I spent my adolescence assuming that OS/2 was going to become a
phenomenon. Once Windows 95 came out though, OS/2 was completely
forgotten. Clearly, IBM was too incompetent to take the steam away from
Microsoft despite the fact that it was still the most important name in
computing at the time.

Now, the only thing standing in the way of Microsoft's complete
dominance of the x86 and x64 platforms is Linux.
-- 
A.M

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#8086

FromBig Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local>
Date2015-09-15 10:26 -0700
Message-ID<ROadnTj3yN1OyWXInZ2dnUU7-S2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#8058
On 09/15/15 05:46, A.M so wittily quipped:
> On 2015-09-14 7:55 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 19:42:35 -0400, A.M wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-09-14 6:51 PM, Diesel wrote:
>>>> Jenny Telia <jnytelia@gmail.com> news:mt5sna$heq$1@dont-email.me Mon,
>>>> 14 Sep 2015 07:26:01 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support at
>>>>>> this time, but may in the future...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't count out IBM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Haha haaaa...
>>>>>
>>>>> Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2? The Chinese make their PCs now
>>>>> ('Lenovo') and IBM have become what they always were in spirit - an
>>>>> 'empty suit' organisation.  Yes, Bill Gates helped pull the rug under
>>>>> their feet. However they were always destined for mediocrity. May they
>>>>> RIP ('Rot in Peace').
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> OS2/Warp was a superior OS to Windows. It suffered from piss poor
>>>> marketing by comparison and some shady shit MS pulled. I ran Os/2 Warp
>>>> v4 myself.. it rocked on a 486!
>>>
>>> Well, OS/2 still exists as eComStation. You're free to use IT rather
>>> than Windows or Linux.
>>
>> While I loved OS/2 that ship has sailed...   :(
> 
> I spent my adolescence assuming that OS/2 was going to become a
> phenomenon.

I took a class in OS/2 presentation manager programming at a local
community college, right before Windows 3.0 was released.  I believed
that IBM's API was superior in a lot of ways, and I liked the function
naming better (object/verb instead of verb/object - so 'WindowCreate()'
for OS/2, 'CreateWindow()' for MS Windows).

> Once Windows 95 came out though, OS/2 was completely forgotten.

yep.  OS/2 couldn't run the new 32-bit windows applications out of the box.

> Now, the only thing standing in the way of Microsoft's complete
> dominance of the x86 and x64 platforms is Linux.

not entirely.  there ARE others, but Linux is the best candidate.  It's
winning the "phone war" (via Android), it's winning the 'embedded' war
(via busybox and OpenWRT and things like that), and it appears to be
winning for SLABS as well (e-readers and MeGo and 'droid slabs and whatnot).

but yeah, Linux has the best shot at the moment.

Still you can't count out things like 'GhostBSD'...





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#8089

FromLloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-15 17:34 +0000
Message-ID<d5r35jF7694U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#8086
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 10:26:20 -0700, Big Bad Bob wrote:

> On 09/15/15 05:46, A.M so wittily quipped:
>> On 2015-09-14 7:55 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 19:42:35 -0400, A.M wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-09-14 6:51 PM, Diesel wrote:
>>>>> Jenny Telia <jnytelia@gmail.com> news:mt5sna$heq$1@dont-email.me
>>>>> Mon, 14 Sep 2015 07:26:01 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support at
>>>>>>> this time, but may in the future...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't count out IBM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Haha haaaa...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2? The Chinese make their PCs
>>>>>> now ('Lenovo') and IBM have become what they always were in spirit
>>>>>> - an 'empty suit' organisation.  Yes, Bill Gates helped pull the
>>>>>> rug under their feet. However they were always destined for
>>>>>> mediocrity. May they RIP ('Rot in Peace').
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> OS2/Warp was a superior OS to Windows. It suffered from piss poor
>>>>> marketing by comparison and some shady shit MS pulled. I ran Os/2
>>>>> Warp v4 myself.. it rocked on a 486!
>>>>
>>>> Well, OS/2 still exists as eComStation. You're free to use IT rather
>>>> than Windows or Linux.
>>>
>>> While I loved OS/2 that ship has sailed...   :(
>> 
>> I spent my adolescence assuming that OS/2 was going to become a
>> phenomenon.
> 
> I took a class in OS/2 presentation manager programming at a local
> community college, right before Windows 3.0 was released.  I believed
> that IBM's API was superior in a lot of ways, and I liked the function
> naming better (object/verb instead of verb/object - so 'WindowCreate()'
> for OS/2, 'CreateWindow()' for MS Windows).
> 
>> Once Windows 95 came out though, OS/2 was completely forgotten.
> 
> yep.  OS/2 couldn't run the new 32-bit windows applications out of the
> box.
> 
>> Now, the only thing standing in the way of Microsoft's complete
>> dominance of the x86 and x64 platforms is Linux.
> 
> not entirely.  there ARE others, but Linux is the best candidate.  It's
> winning the "phone war" (via Android), it's winning the 'embedded' war
> (via busybox and OpenWRT and things like that), and it appears to be
> winning for SLABS as well (e-readers and MeGo and 'droid slabs and
> whatnot).
> 
> but yeah, Linux has the best shot at the moment.
> 
> Still you can't count out things like 'GhostBSD'...

Desktop linux has no shot at taking over the desktop.



-- 
Lloyd

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#8093

FromBig Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local>
Date2015-09-15 11:03 -0700
Message-ID<pNGdnRlLaY8LwGXInZ2dnUU7-eGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#8089
On 09/15/15 10:34, Lloyd Parsons so wittily quipped:
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 10:26:20 -0700, Big Bad Bob wrote:
> 
>> On 09/15/15 05:46, A.M so wittily quipped:
>>> On 2015-09-14 7:55 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 19:42:35 -0400, A.M wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-09-14 6:51 PM, Diesel wrote:
>>>>>> Jenny Telia <jnytelia@gmail.com> news:mt5sna$heq$1@dont-email.me
>>>>>> Mon, 14 Sep 2015 07:26:01 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support at
>>>>>>>> this time, but may in the future...]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't count out IBM.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Haha haaaa...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2? The Chinese make their PCs
>>>>>>> now ('Lenovo') and IBM have become what they always were in spirit
>>>>>>> - an 'empty suit' organisation.  Yes, Bill Gates helped pull the
>>>>>>> rug under their feet. However they were always destined for
>>>>>>> mediocrity. May they RIP ('Rot in Peace').
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> OS2/Warp was a superior OS to Windows. It suffered from piss poor
>>>>>> marketing by comparison and some shady shit MS pulled. I ran Os/2
>>>>>> Warp v4 myself.. it rocked on a 486!
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, OS/2 still exists as eComStation. You're free to use IT rather
>>>>> than Windows or Linux.
>>>>
>>>> While I loved OS/2 that ship has sailed...   :(
>>>
>>> I spent my adolescence assuming that OS/2 was going to become a
>>> phenomenon.
>>
>> I took a class in OS/2 presentation manager programming at a local
>> community college, right before Windows 3.0 was released.  I believed
>> that IBM's API was superior in a lot of ways, and I liked the function
>> naming better (object/verb instead of verb/object - so 'WindowCreate()'
>> for OS/2, 'CreateWindow()' for MS Windows).
>>
>>> Once Windows 95 came out though, OS/2 was completely forgotten.
>>
>> yep.  OS/2 couldn't run the new 32-bit windows applications out of the
>> box.
>>
>>> Now, the only thing standing in the way of Microsoft's complete
>>> dominance of the x86 and x64 platforms is Linux.
>>
>> not entirely.  there ARE others, but Linux is the best candidate.  It's
>> winning the "phone war" (via Android), it's winning the 'embedded' war
>> (via busybox and OpenWRT and things like that), and it appears to be
>> winning for SLABS as well (e-readers and MeGo and 'droid slabs and
>> whatnot).
>>
>> but yeah, Linux has the best shot at the moment.
>>
>> Still you can't count out things like 'GhostBSD'...
> 
> Desktop linux has no shot at taking over the desktop.
> 

and you say that, because... ?

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#8094

FromLloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-15 18:11 +0000
Message-ID<d5r59uF7djtU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#8093
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 11:03:43 -0700, Big Bad Bob wrote:

> On 09/15/15 10:34, Lloyd Parsons so wittily quipped:
>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 10:26:20 -0700, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>> 
>>> On 09/15/15 05:46, A.M so wittily quipped:
>>>> On 2015-09-14 7:55 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 19:42:35 -0400, A.M wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-09-14 6:51 PM, Diesel wrote:
>>>>>>> Jenny Telia <jnytelia@gmail.com> news:mt5sna$heq$1@dont-email.me
>>>>>>> Mon, 14 Sep 2015 07:26:01 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support
>>>>>>>>> at this time, but may in the future...]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don't count out IBM.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Haha haaaa...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2? The Chinese make their
>>>>>>>> PCs now ('Lenovo') and IBM have become what they always were in
>>>>>>>> spirit - an 'empty suit' organisation.  Yes, Bill Gates helped
>>>>>>>> pull the rug under their feet. However they were always destined
>>>>>>>> for mediocrity. May they RIP ('Rot in Peace').
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OS2/Warp was a superior OS to Windows. It suffered from piss poor
>>>>>>> marketing by comparison and some shady shit MS pulled. I ran Os/2
>>>>>>> Warp v4 myself.. it rocked on a 486!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, OS/2 still exists as eComStation. You're free to use IT
>>>>>> rather than Windows or Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I loved OS/2 that ship has sailed...   :(
>>>>
>>>> I spent my adolescence assuming that OS/2 was going to become a
>>>> phenomenon.
>>>
>>> I took a class in OS/2 presentation manager programming at a local
>>> community college, right before Windows 3.0 was released.  I believed
>>> that IBM's API was superior in a lot of ways, and I liked the function
>>> naming better (object/verb instead of verb/object - so
>>> 'WindowCreate()'
>>> for OS/2, 'CreateWindow()' for MS Windows).
>>>
>>>> Once Windows 95 came out though, OS/2 was completely forgotten.
>>>
>>> yep.  OS/2 couldn't run the new 32-bit windows applications out of the
>>> box.
>>>
>>>> Now, the only thing standing in the way of Microsoft's complete
>>>> dominance of the x86 and x64 platforms is Linux.
>>>
>>> not entirely.  there ARE others, but Linux is the best candidate. 
>>> It's winning the "phone war" (via Android), it's winning the
>>> 'embedded' war (via busybox and OpenWRT and things like that), and it
>>> appears to be winning for SLABS as well (e-readers and MeGo and 'droid
>>> slabs and whatnot).
>>>
>>> but yeah, Linux has the best shot at the moment.
>>>
>>> Still you can't count out things like 'GhostBSD'...
>> 
>> Desktop linux has no shot at taking over the desktop.
>> 
>> 
> and you say that, because... ?

Simple history and trends.  If after 20+ years of getting no traction on 
the desktop, it isn't going to happen now.  And that's because you have 
two competing interests in the linux desktop arena.

Interest #1 is the overall community that loves the plethora of distros 
and UIs.  As a free and open OS with a strong hobbyist/developer 
community behind that thought it is good.  but...

Interest #2 is the vastly smaller part that would like to get some 
commercial success with Linux desktop.  For them the number of distros 
and UIs make having a consistent marketing message nearly impossible to 
do.

Doesn't help that when Canonical made a run at that with a mix of free 
and commercial software the 'community' howled loudly.  Couple that with 
probably the poorest batch of support forums out there and almost no 
actual formal support structure and you have the prescription for failure.

Note that I'm not at all saying that Linux on the desktop isn't 
technically a good OS, just that from a marketing/sales point of view, 
there is no way to make it a commercial success.




-- 
Lloyd

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#8108

FromSjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll>
Date2015-09-15 22:30 +0200
Message-ID<55f87fec$0$12295$e4fe514c@textnews.kpn.nl>
In reply to#8094
On 15.09.15 20:11, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 11:03:43 -0700, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>
>> On 09/15/15 10:34, Lloyd Parsons so wittily quipped:
>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 10:26:20 -0700, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 09/15/15 05:46, A.M so wittily quipped:
>>>>> On 2015-09-14 7:55 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 19:42:35 -0400, A.M wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-09-14 6:51 PM, Diesel wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jenny Telia <jnytelia@gmail.com> news:mt5sna$heq$1@dont-email.me
>>>>>>>> Mon, 14 Sep 2015 07:26:01 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support
>>>>>>>>>> at this time, but may in the future...]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don't count out IBM.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Haha haaaa...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2? The Chinese make their
>>>>>>>>> PCs now ('Lenovo') and IBM have become what they always were in
>>>>>>>>> spirit - an 'empty suit' organisation.  Yes, Bill Gates helped
>>>>>>>>> pull the rug under their feet. However they were always destined
>>>>>>>>> for mediocrity. May they RIP ('Rot in Peace').
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OS2/Warp was a superior OS to Windows. It suffered from piss poor
>>>>>>>> marketing by comparison and some shady shit MS pulled. I ran Os/2
>>>>>>>> Warp v4 myself.. it rocked on a 486!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, OS/2 still exists as eComStation. You're free to use IT
>>>>>>> rather than Windows or Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I loved OS/2 that ship has sailed...   :(
>>>>>
>>>>> I spent my adolescence assuming that OS/2 was going to become a
>>>>> phenomenon.
>>>>
>>>> I took a class in OS/2 presentation manager programming at a local
>>>> community college, right before Windows 3.0 was released.  I believed
>>>> that IBM's API was superior in a lot of ways, and I liked the function
>>>> naming better (object/verb instead of verb/object - so
>>>> 'WindowCreate()'
>>>> for OS/2, 'CreateWindow()' for MS Windows).
>>>>
>>>>> Once Windows 95 came out though, OS/2 was completely forgotten.
>>>>
>>>> yep.  OS/2 couldn't run the new 32-bit windows applications out of the
>>>> box.
>>>>
>>>>> Now, the only thing standing in the way of Microsoft's complete
>>>>> dominance of the x86 and x64 platforms is Linux.
>>>>
>>>> not entirely.  there ARE others, but Linux is the best candidate.
>>>> It's winning the "phone war" (via Android), it's winning the
>>>> 'embedded' war (via busybox and OpenWRT and things like that), and it
>>>> appears to be winning for SLABS as well (e-readers and MeGo and 'droid
>>>> slabs and whatnot).
>>>>
>>>> but yeah, Linux has the best shot at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> Still you can't count out things like 'GhostBSD'...
>>>
>>> Desktop linux has no shot at taking over the desktop.
>>>
>>>
>> and you say that, because... ?
>
> Simple history and trends.  If after 20+ years of getting no traction on
> the desktop, it isn't going to happen now.  And that's because you have
> two competing interests in the linux desktop arena.
>
> Interest #1 is the overall community that loves the plethora of distros
> and UIs.  As a free and open OS with a strong hobbyist/developer
> community behind that thought it is good.  but...
>
> Interest #2 is the vastly smaller part that would like to get some
> commercial success with Linux desktop.  For them the number of distros
> and UIs make having a consistent marketing message nearly impossible to
> do.
>
> Doesn't help that when Canonical made a run at that with a mix of free
> and commercial software the 'community' howled loudly.  Couple that with
> probably the poorest batch of support forums out there and almost no
> actual formal support structure and you have the prescription for failure.
>
> Note that I'm not at all saying that Linux on the desktop isn't
> technically a good OS, just that from a marketing/sales point of view,
> there is no way to make it a commercial success.
>
>
>
>
Well.... Android (unix based) is quite successful.....

Maybe we are headed for the Android Desktop?

(PS, dont tell this to Google please) :)

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#8290 — Re: chrisv loses argument, resorts to vandalism, snicker. Re: dizum coward's post deleted, unread

From"P.M." <pm@example.com>
Date2015-09-18 01:16 +0200
SubjectRe: chrisv loses argument, resorts to vandalism, snicker. Re: dizum coward's post deleted, unread
Message-ID<f0b86ebd8970fab0111d4cc9f2f673fb@dizum.com>
In reply to#8094
In article <qhvlvatm73hp1bjr6rauh1r1o7kce50pvv@4ax.com>
chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> chrisv wrote:
>
> >> Lying Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Doesn't help that when Canonical made a run at that with a mix of free
> >>> and commercial software the 'community' howled loudly.  Couple that with
> >>> probably the poorest batch of support forums out there and almost no
> >>> actual formal support structure and you have the prescription for failure.
> >
> >Mental midgets like "Lloyd" often fail to understand the important
> >difference between expressing one's opinion and suppressing other's
> >freedom.
> >
> >There is nothing wrong with saying "Canonical sucks and people should
> >not use their product", just as there is nothing wrong with saying
> >that "Donald Trump sucks and people should not vote for him".
> >
> >Saying such things does not suppress anyone's freedom to choose, or to
> >vote.
> >
> >It *would* be wrong to suggest that Canonical be prevented from
> >offering their product, or that Donald Trump be prevented from running
> >for president.

Cry for us chrissy!

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#8095

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2015-09-15 13:13 -0500
Message-ID<nqngva5n22kum5jphrj96if7gai42aun1d@4ax.com>
In reply to#8093
Big Bad Bob wrote:

> Lying Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>> 
>> Desktop linux has no shot at taking over the desktop.
>
>and you say that, because... ?

"Lloyd" is a Mactarded troll.  I would advise filtering his garbage.

-- 
"Until there is a unified Linux for business and comsumers, it will be
relegated to the hobbyist on the desktop."  -  Lying Lloyd

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#8097

FromLloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-15 18:15 +0000
Message-ID<d5r5iaF7djtU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#8095
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:13:42 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> Big Bad Bob wrote:
> 
>> Lying Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>> 
>>> Desktop linux has no shot at taking over the desktop.
>>
>>and you say that, because... ?
> 
> "Lloyd" is a Mactarded troll.  I would advise filtering his garbage.

'chrisv' is a linux loonie that never uses linux, instead preferring to 
use Windows.  So you might want to consider the source...




-- 
Lloyd

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#8123

From"A.M" <.m@nsn.s>
Date2015-09-15 20:08 -0400
Message-ID<mtabq5$dqj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#8097
On 2015-09-15 2:15 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:13:42 -0500, chrisv wrote:
> 
>> Big Bad Bob wrote:
>>
>>> Lying Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Desktop linux has no shot at taking over the desktop.
>>>
>>> and you say that, because... ?
>>
>> "Lloyd" is a Mactarded troll.  I would advise filtering his garbage.
> 
> 'chrisv' is a linux loonie that never uses linux, instead preferring to 
> use Windows.  So you might want to consider the source...

I'm wondering whether chrisv will provide this newsgroup with a useful,
insightful post one day. It would be a start if he didn't talk about his
killfile, killfiling someone or Ezekiel though.


-- 
A.M

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#8106 — Turdv is just retarded, so filter out this potty mouth villain.

FromGreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>
Date2015-09-15 14:22 -0600
SubjectTurdv is just retarded, so filter out this potty mouth villain.
Message-ID<hvqdnaln9_-C42XInZ2dnUU7-Y_us__v@bresnan.com>
In reply to#8095
On 09/15/15 12:13, chrisv wrote:
> Big Bad Bob wrote:
>
>> Lying Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>
>>> Desktop linux has no shot at taking over the desktop.
>>
>> and you say that, because... ?
>
> "Lloyd" is a Mactarded troll.  I would advise filtering his garbage.
>


-- 
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

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#8098

From"A.M" <.m@nsn.s>
Date2015-09-15 14:15 -0400
Message-ID<mt9n58$qht$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#8093
On 2015-09-15 2:03 PM, Big Bad Bob wrote:
> On 09/15/15 10:34, Lloyd Parsons so wittily quipped:
>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 10:26:20 -0700, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/15/15 05:46, A.M so wittily quipped:
>>>> On 2015-09-14 7:55 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 19:42:35 -0400, A.M wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-09-14 6:51 PM, Diesel wrote:
>>>>>>> Jenny Telia <jnytelia@gmail.com> news:mt5sna$heq$1@dont-email.me
>>>>>>> Mon, 14 Sep 2015 07:26:01 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support at
>>>>>>>>> this time, but may in the future...]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don't count out IBM.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Haha haaaa...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2? The Chinese make their PCs
>>>>>>>> now ('Lenovo') and IBM have become what they always were in spirit
>>>>>>>> - an 'empty suit' organisation.  Yes, Bill Gates helped pull the
>>>>>>>> rug under their feet. However they were always destined for
>>>>>>>> mediocrity. May they RIP ('Rot in Peace').
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OS2/Warp was a superior OS to Windows. It suffered from piss poor
>>>>>>> marketing by comparison and some shady shit MS pulled. I ran Os/2
>>>>>>> Warp v4 myself.. it rocked on a 486!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, OS/2 still exists as eComStation. You're free to use IT rather
>>>>>> than Windows or Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I loved OS/2 that ship has sailed...   :(
>>>>
>>>> I spent my adolescence assuming that OS/2 was going to become a
>>>> phenomenon.
>>>
>>> I took a class in OS/2 presentation manager programming at a local
>>> community college, right before Windows 3.0 was released.  I believed
>>> that IBM's API was superior in a lot of ways, and I liked the function
>>> naming better (object/verb instead of verb/object - so 'WindowCreate()'
>>> for OS/2, 'CreateWindow()' for MS Windows).
>>>
>>>> Once Windows 95 came out though, OS/2 was completely forgotten.
>>>
>>> yep.  OS/2 couldn't run the new 32-bit windows applications out of the
>>> box.
>>>
>>>> Now, the only thing standing in the way of Microsoft's complete
>>>> dominance of the x86 and x64 platforms is Linux.
>>>
>>> not entirely.  there ARE others, but Linux is the best candidate.  It's
>>> winning the "phone war" (via Android), it's winning the 'embedded' war
>>> (via busybox and OpenWRT and things like that), and it appears to be
>>> winning for SLABS as well (e-readers and MeGo and 'droid slabs and
>>> whatnot).
>>>
>>> but yeah, Linux has the best shot at the moment.
>>>
>>> Still you can't count out things like 'GhostBSD'...
>>
>> Desktop linux has no shot at taking over the desktop.
>>
> 
> and you say that, because... ?

Probably because as it is, Linux doesn't interest most users (1.5% of
the world's desktops use it) and even those who _are_ interested tend to
get alienated fairly quickly as a result of how broken the system is.


-- 
A.M

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#8096

From"A.M" <.m@nsn.s>
Date2015-09-15 14:14 -0400
Message-ID<mt9n29$pn3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#8086
On 2015-09-15 1:26 PM, Big Bad Bob wrote:
> On 09/15/15 05:46, A.M so wittily quipped:
>> On 2015-09-14 7:55 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 19:42:35 -0400, A.M wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-09-14 6:51 PM, Diesel wrote:
>>>>> Jenny Telia <jnytelia@gmail.com> news:mt5sna$heq$1@dont-email.me Mon,
>>>>> 14 Sep 2015 07:26:01 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support at
>>>>>>> this time, but may in the future...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't count out IBM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Haha haaaa...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2? The Chinese make their PCs now
>>>>>> ('Lenovo') and IBM have become what they always were in spirit - an
>>>>>> 'empty suit' organisation.  Yes, Bill Gates helped pull the rug under
>>>>>> their feet. However they were always destined for mediocrity. May they
>>>>>> RIP ('Rot in Peace').
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> OS2/Warp was a superior OS to Windows. It suffered from piss poor
>>>>> marketing by comparison and some shady shit MS pulled. I ran Os/2 Warp
>>>>> v4 myself.. it rocked on a 486!
>>>>
>>>> Well, OS/2 still exists as eComStation. You're free to use IT rather
>>>> than Windows or Linux.
>>>
>>> While I loved OS/2 that ship has sailed...   :(
>>
>> I spent my adolescence assuming that OS/2 was going to become a
>> phenomenon.
> 
> I took a class in OS/2 presentation manager programming at a local
> community college, right before Windows 3.0 was released.  I believed
> that IBM's API was superior in a lot of ways, and I liked the function
> naming better (object/verb instead of verb/object - so 'WindowCreate()'
> for OS/2, 'CreateWindow()' for MS Windows).

I wouldn't know. Programming never interested me so I wouldn't know how
good IBM's development tools were. What I DO know is that the
applications which were native to OS/2 were poor ports of what had
appeared in Windows 3.1 and people were better off simply using the
Windows versions.

>> Once Windows 95 came out though, OS/2 was completely forgotten.
> 
> yep.  OS/2 couldn't run the new 32-bit windows applications out of the box.

And there was no way Microsoft was going to help make those applications
compatible with OS/2 either. IBM would have no choice but to rely on
older 16-bit applications if Windows users expected to migrate to OS/2
without feeling too much of a sacrifice.

>> Now, the only thing standing in the way of Microsoft's complete
>> dominance of the x86 and x64 platforms is Linux.
> 
> not entirely.  there ARE others, but Linux is the best candidate.  It's
> winning the "phone war" (via Android), it's winning the 'embedded' war
> (via busybox and OpenWRT and things like that), and it appears to be
> winning for SLABS as well (e-readers and MeGo and 'droid slabs and whatnot).
> 
> but yeah, Linux has the best shot at the moment.
> 
> Still you can't count out things like 'GhostBSD'...

I meant on the desktop.


-- 
A.M

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#7972

FromGreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>
Date2015-09-14 11:48 -0600
Message-ID<tdWdndeQNtDvlWrInZ2dnUU7-W2dnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#7930
On 09/13/15 12:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:
> On 09/13/15 10:46, GreyCloud so wittily quipped:
>>>> After that, when Win7 becomes unusable on too many web sites, I'll
>>>> switch to Linux.
>>>> bj
>>>
>>> I'm hoping that Linux developers are closely monitoring
>>> this Micro$py 10 runaway train speeding down the tracks,
>>> so that might further motivate them to join forces and
>>> standardize the Linux OS into a Windows-like, user friendly
>>> version that will become very popular among disillusioned,
>>> more like betrayed and disgusted, Windows users.  And PC
>>> hardware manufacturers might consider jumping ship from
>>> the proprietary sinking wreck of the RM$ Titanic.
>>>
>>
>> I've been hoping for linux developers to merge and agree on some kind of
>> standard, but I've been waiting for over 20 years and no soap yet.
>> But it can be done.
>>
>
> Linux is the only serious competitive option (other than Apple, which is
> for proprietary hardware) aside from Microsoft for desktop and notebook PCs.
>
> [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support at this
> time, but may in the future...]
>
> Don't count out IBM.
>
> Microsoft's success was based on MARKETING, and not quality of product.
>   If you can sell ice cubes to Eskimos (I spit in the general direction
> of political correctness), you can make MS Windows "that much of the
> market".
>
> Microsoft forgot that SOFTWARE made their OS popular.  They used to say
> "developers developers developers developers".  but not any more.  Now
> they say "here, developers, is a DUMBED DOWN API - NOW *USE* IT, DAMMIT!
>   Because WE say so!".  Happened twice now, ".Not" then "the METRO".
> 'universal' is a *JOKE*.
>
> In the Linux world, however, there aren't *ENOUGH* decent tools.  KDE
> has commercial tools available for Qt, though. Not enough.
>
> I started a project [wanted to do my own toolkit for X11] for a PROPER
> IDE for POSIX systems.  Got bogged down in the *LACK* of actual
> *STANDARDS* for things like the clipboard.  It's kinda hackish and ugly.
>
> GTK is interesting but clumsy (especially for dialog boxen).  wxWidgets
> is smarter, but kinda piggy (unless you're porting a Windows MFC
> application, in which case it helps you do it faster).  I haven't done
> much with Qt other than compile it for something else.
>
>
> So yeah there's quite a bit of *FRAGMENTATION* here.  And for free
> software that's a free download, where's the motivation to MARKET IT and
> provide the necessary 'glue' to get things rolling?
>
>
It does appear to be an enigma.  Somebody may come around and solve the 
problem.
I still have my old vaxstation vlc with VMS 6 on it, but would really 
like to find some video adaptor plug from rgb coax to VGA.  The old 
cables deteriorated plus the monitor that used rgb coax is dead.

But for me the computing fun is long gone because things went to what 
you pointed out about the APIs.  It sort of reminds me of the CP/M 
stagnation days.


-- 
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

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#7943

FromNeil <neil@myplaceofwork.com>
Date2015-09-13 15:32 -0400
Message-ID<mt4isn$r91$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#7924
On 9/13/2015 1:46 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>
> I've been hoping for linux developers to merge and agree on some kind of
> standard, but I've been waiting for over 20 years and no soap yet.
> But it can be done.
>
It's not likely to get done with any open source product because there 
are no "developer's control organizations" that limit the next guy with 
the "better" idea from revising the source code or specs. Even W3C 
(HTML) wasn't able to maintain standards beyond 4.01 so now we have 
"recommended practices", and there are a lot more reasons to standardize 
HTML than for Linux.

-- 
Best regards,

Neil

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#7947

FromChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Date2015-09-13 18:54 -0400
Message-ID<mt4unt$95t$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#7943
Neil wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 9/13/2015 1:46 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>>
>> I've been hoping for linux developers to merge and agree on some kind of
>> standard, but I've been waiting for over 20 years and no soap yet.
>> But it can be done.
>>
> It's not likely to get done with any open source product because there 
> are no "developer's control organizations" that limit the next guy with 
> the "better" idea from revising the source code or specs. Even W3C 
> (HTML) wasn't able to maintain standards beyond 4.01 so now we have 
> "recommended practices", and there are a lot more reasons to standardize 
> HTML than for Linux.

Microsoft can't find something and stick with it, either.

-- 
Tempt not a desperate man.
		-- William Shakespeare, "Romeo and Juliet"

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#7973

FromGreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>
Date2015-09-14 11:50 -0600
Message-ID<tdWdndaQNtB9lWrInZ2dnUU7-W2dnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#7943
On 09/13/15 13:32, Neil wrote:
> On 9/13/2015 1:46 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>>
>> I've been hoping for linux developers to merge and agree on some kind of
>> standard, but I've been waiting for over 20 years and no soap yet.
>> But it can be done.
>>
> It's not likely to get done with any open source product because there
> are no "developer's control organizations" that limit the next guy with
> the "better" idea from revising the source code or specs. Even W3C
> (HTML) wasn't able to maintain standards beyond 4.01 so now we have
> "recommended practices", and there are a lot more reasons to standardize
> HTML than for Linux.
>
I think you are right in this regards.  There maybe some hope from HPs 
"The Machine" project, but I'm not holding my breath.

-- 
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

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#7975

FromLloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-14 17:56 +0000
Message-ID<d5og23FhdfdU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#7973
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:50:22 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

> On 09/13/15 13:32, Neil wrote:
>> On 9/13/2015 1:46 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been hoping for linux developers to merge and agree on some kind
>>> of standard, but I've been waiting for over 20 years and no soap yet.
>>> But it can be done.
>>>
>> It's not likely to get done with any open source product because there
>> are no "developer's control organizations" that limit the next guy with
>> the "better" idea from revising the source code or specs. Even W3C
>> (HTML) wasn't able to maintain standards beyond 4.01 so now we have
>> "recommended practices", and there are a lot more reasons to
>> standardize HTML than for Linux.
>>
> I think you are right in this regards.  There maybe some hope from HPs
> "The Machine" project, but I'm not holding my breath.

The problem that Linux has is both a benefit and a downside, depending on 
what you want from desktop Linux.  For hobbyists and developers the idea 
of free and open with all the distros and GUIs is a big plus.

But that is what is anathema to a successful commercial product.  
Canonical made and is still making some very right steps for a commercial 
products.  But much of what they've done has been howled about within the 
Linux community.  They've gone their own way and even added some 
commercial software into the mix.  From a "I want to sell it" point of 
view, those are great steps.  Solid message, good looking product and the 
right mix of free and commercial software.  Unfortunately the Linux 
community will keep those that might have considered it from even trying 
it.

Such poor attitudes, downright snobby! :(




-- 
Lloyd

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