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Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8

Started byJeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com>
First post2015-09-12 19:49 +0200
Last post2015-09-20 15:20 -0700
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  Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Jeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> - 2015-09-12 19:49 +0200
    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2015-09-12 19:15 +0100
      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chicagofan <me7@privacy.net> - 2015-09-12 15:08 -0400
        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-12 15:54 -0400
          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-12 23:03 -0500
          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-09-19 16:07 +0000
            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-19 13:51 -0400
        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Bubba <Bub@ba> - 2015-09-13 15:14 +0200
          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-13 11:46 -0600
            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-13 11:49 -0700
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Jenny Telia <jnytelia@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 09:26 +0200
                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-14 12:06 -0400
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2015-09-14 12:16 -0400
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-09-14 14:42 -0300
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 17:45 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 11:49 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-14 19:33 -0400
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-14 20:22 -0400
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2015-09-14 22:51 +0000
                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2015-09-14 22:51 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-14 19:42 -0400
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 23:55 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-15 08:46 -0400
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-15 10:26 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 17:34 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-15 11:03 -0700
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 18:11 +0000
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2015-09-15 22:30 +0200
                                Re: chrisv loses argument, resorts to vandalism, snicker. Re: dizum coward's post deleted, unread "P.M." <pm@example.com> - 2015-09-18 01:16 +0200
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-15 13:13 -0500
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 18:15 +0000
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-15 20:08 -0400
                                Turdv is just retarded, so filter out this potty mouth villain. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:22 -0600
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-15 14:15 -0400
                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-15 14:14 -0400
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-14 11:48 -0600
            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Neil <neil@myplaceofwork.com> - 2015-09-13 15:32 -0400
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-13 18:54 -0400
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-14 11:50 -0600
                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 17:56 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-14 21:15 -0600
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-14 20:26 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 20:42 -0700
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 20:43 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-15 06:14 -0400
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-15 10:27 -0700
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-09-15 14:45 -0300
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:36 -0600
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-16 07:59 -0400
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 05:39 -0700
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-16 14:12 -0400
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 23:36 -0700
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:34 -0600
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:34 -0600
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:28 -0600
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 20:40 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-14 21:55 -0700
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-15 10:30 -0700
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:40 -0600
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-16 09:51 -0500
                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 18:28 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-16 11:46 -0700
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 23:37 -0700
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 07:32 -0500
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 12:40 +0000
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 13:10 -0600
                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-16 12:51 -0700
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 19:56 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-16 15:13 -0500
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 20:17 +0000
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-09-16 17:25 -0400
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 21:40 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-09-16 17:45 -0400
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 22:18 +0000
                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-09-16 18:27 -0400
                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 22:35 +0000
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-16 18:50 -0700
                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 07:37 -0500
                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-17 18:59 -0500
                                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 00:04 +0000
                                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 17:16 -0700
                                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 17:15 -0700
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-16 14:47 -0700
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 07:25 -0500
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 12:41 +0000
                                    Chrisv is a worthless advocate. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 13:15 -0600
                                      Re: Chrisv is a worthless advocate. Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 19:30 +0000
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 13:14 -0600
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-16 13:24 -0700
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 13:12 -0600
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 23:38 -0700
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-17 06:05 -0400
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-17 03:57 -0700
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-17 13:33 +0200
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-17 07:47 -0400
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 08:05 -0500
                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-17 10:44 -0400
                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-17 17:28 +0200
                                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-17 13:00 -0700
                                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 15:09 -0500
                                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-17 19:09 -0500
                                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-17 19:02 -0700
                                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 02:19 +0000
                                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-18 09:21 +0200
                                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-18 07:08 -0500
                                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-18 09:25 -0400
                                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-18 08:15 -0700
                                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-18 10:52 -0700
                                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-18 11:04 -0700
                                                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-18 22:06 -0700
                                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-18 11:06 -0700
                                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-18 09:22 -0400
                                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-18 10:47 -0700
                                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-21 03:20 -0500
                                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-21 03:16 -0700
                                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-21 20:59 -0500
                                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-21 19:06 -0700
                                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-22 09:53 -0400
                                                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 10:23 -0700
                                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-21 21:09 -0700
                                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-09-18 12:30 -0300
                                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-18 10:45 -0700
                                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-18 10:32 -0700
                                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-18 13:30 -0700
                                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 15:50 -0600
                                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-18 13:41 -0700
                                                  There is no FOSS Culling Committee Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-22 01:40 -0500
                                                    Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 06:34 -0700
                                                    Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-09-22 10:34 -0300
                                                      Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 06:44 -0700
                                                      Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-22 08:54 -0500
                                                      Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-22 09:35 -0700
                                                      Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-22 18:39 -0600
                                                        Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-23 09:56 -0400
                                                          Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-23 12:25 -0600
                                                    Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Yrrah <Yrrah-acf@acf.invalid> - 2015-09-22 16:28 +0200
                                                      Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2015-09-22 15:45 +0100
                                                    Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-22 10:38 -0700
                                                      Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-22 12:54 -0500
                                                        Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-22 16:41 -0700
                                                          Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-22 19:09 -0500
                                                            Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-22 20:58 -0700
                                                              Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-27 03:38 -0500
                                                                Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-27 12:14 +0200
                                                                Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-09-27 07:05 -0400
                                                          Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-23 02:14 +0200
                                                            Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-23 07:09 -0500
                                                              Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-23 09:53 -0400
                                                            Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-23 12:26 -0600
                                                              Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-09-23 17:44 -0300
                                                                Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-23 16:06 -0500
                                                                  Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-23 17:17 -0400
                                                                  Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-24 16:07 -0600
                                                                    Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-25 09:23 -0400
                                                                Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-23 17:07 -0400
                                                                Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-24 16:06 -0600
                                                                  Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-25 09:21 -0400
                                                                    Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-25 12:21 -0600
                                                                      Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-25 18:01 -0400
                                                                        Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee "Dr. John Grubor" <grubor@grubor.org.invalid> - 2015-09-26 00:20 +0000
                                                        Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-22 18:42 -0600
                                                      Re: There is no FOSS Culling Committee Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-22 18:56 -0500
                                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2015-09-28 17:33 -0500
                                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-18 07:25 -0500
                                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-18 10:54 -0700
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-17 10:17 -0700
                                      Chris Ahlstrom is a lin-troll and hypocrite. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 13:17 -0600
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 07:43 -0500
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 12:49 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-18 13:17 -0600
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 07:29 -0500
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-21 03:07 -0500
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 10:10 +0200
                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-21 11:58 -0600
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 20:41 +0200
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-21 13:41 -0700
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 22:45 +0200
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-21 14:06 -0700
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-21 16:46 -0700
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-22 09:41 +0200
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 05:41 -0700
                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 06:35 -0700
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 05:50 -0700
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-22 09:59 -0400
                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-22 09:53 -0700
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-21 14:49 -0600
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 23:14 +0200
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-22 18:43 -0600
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-21 17:12 -0400
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 23:15 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:40 -0600
          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2015-09-13 19:56 +0100
            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2015-09-14 04:46 -0400
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-14 10:49 +0200
                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-14 11:52 -0600
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 12:05 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 14:05 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 17:37 -0700
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 18:07 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 20:50 -0700
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 21:51 -0700
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-15 11:01 -0700
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-15 11:16 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-14 21:18 -0600
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 20:52 -0700
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:44 -0600
                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2015-09-14 20:11 -0400
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 17:41 -0700
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-15 09:52 +0200
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Jenny Telia <jnytelia@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 15:32 +0200
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-16 17:58 +0200
      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Johnny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2015-09-12 20:07 +0000
      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Bubba <Bub@ba> - 2015-09-13 14:16 +0200
    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-12 13:48 -0600
      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 22:28 +0000
        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-13 00:33 +0200
          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lehman <drlehman022@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 23:46 +0100
            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-13 00:59 +0200
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> - 2015-09-13 21:20 +0200
                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "Dr. John Grubor" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-13 20:08 +0000
            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-12 22:48 -0700
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-13 03:56 -0500
                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-13 10:38 -0700
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-13 10:42 -0700
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-13 13:26 -0500
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-13 11:37 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-13 14:02 -0500
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-14 10:02 -0400
                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-14 16:50 +0200
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-14 11:53 -0400
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-14 09:18 -0400
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 09:34 -0700
                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 12:10 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 19:12 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-14 13:01 -0700
                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 20:04 +0000
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 13:14 -0700
                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-14 14:19 -0700
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 21:26 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-15 00:35 +0200
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 22:44 +0000
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 16:03 -0700
                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-15 01:16 +0200
                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 23:25 +0000
                                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 16:51 -0700
                                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 23:53 +0000
                                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 23:57 +0000
                                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-15 10:00 +0200
                                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 12:12 +0000
                                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-15 14:27 +0200
                                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 12:35 +0000
                                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-15 07:42 -0500
                                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 12:50 +0000
                                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-15 11:17 -0700
                                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:19 -0600
                                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-15 10:00 -0700
                                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-15 09:58 -0700
                                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-15 14:18 -0600
                                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 17:03 -0700
                                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 00:22 +0000
                                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 17:34 -0700
                                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 00:47 +0000
                                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 18:07 -0700
                                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-14 21:00 -0700
                                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-15 08:48 -0400
                                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-15 10:01 -0700
                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 16:33 -0700
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 14:29 -0700
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-16 10:20 -0500
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 10:37 -0700
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-16 12:51 -0500
                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 23:31 -0700
                                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-17 07:13 -0500
                                            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-17 10:37 -0700
                                              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-26 14:30 -0500
                                                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-26 21:01 +0000
                                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-26 14:51 -0700
                                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-26 22:03 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-09-16 18:23 +0000
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-16 23:33 -0700
                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-17 11:42 -0700
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2015-09-16 12:39 -0700
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-16 15:15 -0500
                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 20:21 +0000
                                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-21 02:55 -0500
                                        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 10:08 +0200
                                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-20 17:37 -0500
                                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-20 15:39 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-14 13:25 -0700
                  Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-13 11:33 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-13 11:39 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 14:46 -0400
                      Where are Micheal Glasser's quotes? Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-13 13:56 -0500
                      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-09-13 12:24 -0700
          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2015-09-13 00:09 +0100
            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-09-13 01:11 +0200
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2015-09-13 00:16 +0100
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-12 22:59 -0400
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-12 21:00 -0600
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> - 2015-09-13 21:28 +0200
          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-12 20:59 -0600
        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> - 2015-09-13 21:12 +0200
          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-14 11:42 -0600
          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-09-22 19:00 -0500
            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-09-23 09:51 -0400
            Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-23 12:22 -0600
              Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-09-23 17:46 -0300
                Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-24 16:04 -0600
    Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-09-12 16:49 -0400
      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-09-12 21:02 -0600
      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-12 22:54 -0700
      Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2015-09-13 14:29 -0500
        Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-09-13 13:18 -0700
          Re: Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows  8 Euclides Zoto <euclides_zoto@optimum.net> - 2015-09-19 12:30 -0700
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#7876 — Microsoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8

FromJeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com>
Date2015-09-12 19:49 +0200
SubjectMicrosoft Forces Windows 10 Downloads Onto Windows 7 And Windows 8
Message-ID<ba463e8e9a01b12fe54cda1be8f5f647@anemone.mooo.com>
The saga continues.

Following news that Windows 10 automatically downloads onto 
Windows 7 and Windows 8 for users who choose to upgrade, 
Microsoft MSFT +0.00% has now confirmed it has taken things one 
serious step further: Windows 10 will now download on computers 
even when users chose NOT to upgrade.

This somewhat shocking development was discovered by The 
Inquirer when a reader reported Windows 10 had been downloaded 
onto their computer despite the fact they expressly declined the 
opportunity to upgrade:

“The symptoms are repeated failed ‘Upgrade to Windows 10' in the 
WU update history and a huge 3.5GB to 6GB hidden folder labelled 
‘$Windows.~BT’,” the reader explained. “I thought Microsoft 
[said] this ‘upgrade’ was optional. If so, why is it being 
pushed out to so many computers where it wasn’t reserved, and 
why does it try to install over and over again?

He continued: “I know of two instances where people on metered 
connections went over their data cap for August because of this 
unwanted download. My own internet (slow DSL) was crawling for a 
week or so until I discovered this problem. In fact, that’s what 
led me to it. Not only does it download, it tries to install 
every time the computer is booted.”

Microsoft Confirms New Policy

Astonishingly this is not a one-off error. Speaking to The 
Inquirer, Microsoft confirmed this is now something they are 
doing to all computers running Windows 7 and Windows 8:

“For individuals who have chosen to receive automatic updates 
through Windows Update, we help upgradable devices get ready for 
Windows 10 by downloading the files they’ll need if they decide 
to upgrade. When the upgrade is ready, the customer will be 
prompted to install Windows 10 on the device,” said a Microsoft 
spokesperson.

Now let’s be clear here: with regards to Windows 7 and Windows 8 
“individuals who have chosen to receive automatic updates 
through Windows Update” is essentially everyone.

So unless you expressly chose to switch off all Windows updates 
(not recommended), you will be receiving (and have already 
received) a 3-6GB silent download. As The Inquirer reader points 
out, this can be found at: C:\$windows.~BT

Note this is a hidden folder so to view it you need to open File 
Explorer and go to: Organize > Folder Options > View > Show 
hidden files, folders, and drives.

The Fall Out

So what to make of this? Quite frankly, while opinions remain 
divided over Windows 10’s forced updates, for Microsoft to 
presumptuously take a substantial chunk of every Windows 7 and 
Windows 8 user’s storage (and data allowance) downloading 
Windows 10 even if they specifically state they do not want to 
upgrade is a big step too far.

Personally I cannot see what Microsoft is trying to achieve 
here. When a user wants Windows 10 they will expect a large 
download to begin and there to be some waiting time. But 
Microsoft downloading Windows 10 anyway just to skip this wait 
for users who don’t want Windows 10 is complete madness.

So what are your options…

What To Do

For those determined not to have their hard drive storage space 
and/or Internet data allowance wasted by Windows 10, the options 
are limited.

The most drastic step is to disable Windows Update completely, 
but I would not recommend it as you are then trapped in a manual 
cycle of vetting every update to keep your computer update and 
secure.

Meanwhile the alternative for those who have already had Windows 
10 downloaded on their systems is simply to delete the 
C:\$windows folder. Then again Microsoft has not disclosed 
whether it will simply start downloading it again!

I have reached out to Microsoft for further clarification here 
and will update the post when/if the company responds.

In the meantime we are fast seeing Microsoft approach a 
dangerous crossing. It has already released updates on Windows 7 
and Windows 8 which add detailed user tracking akin to Windows 
10 and now it is downloading Windows 10 on Windows 7 and Windows 
8 computers computers whether users want it or not.

Microsoft needs to be very careful. It took decades to build up 
user trust, but now it risks tearing everything down in just a 
few months…

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/09/12/microsoft-
confirms-windows-10-now-forced-onto-windows-7-and-windows-8/

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#7882

FromJohn Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk>
Date2015-09-12 19:15 +0100
Message-ID<Kho$XcEbvG9VFwE7@jhall_nospamxx.demon.co.uk>
In reply to#7876
In message <ba463e8e9a01b12fe54cda1be8f5f647@anemone.mooo.com>, Jeremy 
Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> writes
>So unless you expressly chose to switch off all Windows updates (not 
>recommended), you will be receiving (and have already received) a 3-6GB 
>silent download. As The Inquirer reader points out, this can be found 
>at: C:\$windows.~BT

It's not actually necessary to switch of /all/ Windows updates. It's 
sufficient to switch off "optional" updates, continuing to download 
"essential" ones. I have always had optional updates switched off, and 
there is no hidden C:\$windows.~BT on my Windows 7 machine.

Of course it's always possible that at some time in the future Microsoft 
will decide to upgrade the relevant updates from optional to essential.
-- 
John Hall
              "Honest criticism is hard to take,
                particularly from a relative, a friend,
                an acquaintance, or a stranger."        Franklin P Jones

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#7883

Fromchicagofan <me7@privacy.net>
Date2015-09-12 15:08 -0400
Message-ID<mt1t35$hl$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#7882
John Hall wrote:
> In message <ba463e8e9a01b12fe54cda1be8f5f647@anemone.mooo.com>, Jeremy 
> Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> writes
>> So unless you expressly chose to switch off all Windows updates (not 
>> recommended), you will be receiving (and have already received) a 
>> 3-6GB silent download. As The Inquirer reader points out, this can be 
>> found at: C:\$windows.~BT
>
> It's not actually necessary to switch of /all/ Windows updates. It's 
> sufficient to switch off "optional" updates, continuing to download 
> "essential" ones. I have always had optional updates switched off, and 
> there is no hidden C:\$windows.~BT on my Windows 7 machine.
>
> Of course it's always possible that at some time in the future 
> Microsoft will decide to upgrade the relevant updates from optional to 
> essential.
They are working their way there now.  :)

I've noticed on my Win7 updates waiting for action lately, labels for 
"optional" have disappeared, they moved to "recommended" briefly, and 
way too many now, are labeled "security" ... with vague descriptions.   
I feel MS thinks if they make investigating their "updates" too lengthy, 
tiresome, and in some cases impossible ... we will all just give in and 
turn our computers over to their key loggers and automatic updates.   
Guess I'm just going to stop them ALL at that point.

After that, when Win7 becomes unusable on too many web sites, I'll 
switch to Linux.
bj

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#7888

From"A.M" <.m@nsn.s>
Date2015-09-12 15:54 -0400
Message-ID<mt1vq9$ahd$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#7883
On 2015-09-12 3:08 PM, chicagofan wrote:
> John Hall wrote:
>> In message <ba463e8e9a01b12fe54cda1be8f5f647@anemone.mooo.com>, Jeremy
>> Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> writes
>>> So unless you expressly chose to switch off all Windows updates (not
>>> recommended), you will be receiving (and have already received) a
>>> 3-6GB silent download. As The Inquirer reader points out, this can be
>>> found at: C:\$windows.~BT
>>
>> It's not actually necessary to switch of /all/ Windows updates. It's
>> sufficient to switch off "optional" updates, continuing to download
>> "essential" ones. I have always had optional updates switched off, and
>> there is no hidden C:\$windows.~BT on my Windows 7 machine.
>>
>> Of course it's always possible that at some time in the future
>> Microsoft will decide to upgrade the relevant updates from optional to
>> essential.
> They are working their way there now.  :)
> 
> I've noticed on my Win7 updates waiting for action lately, labels for
> "optional" have disappeared, they moved to "recommended" briefly, and
> way too many now, are labeled "security" ... with vague descriptions.  
> I feel MS thinks if they make investigating their "updates" too lengthy,
> tiresome, and in some cases impossible ... we will all just give in and
> turn our computers over to their key loggers and automatic updates.  
> Guess I'm just going to stop them ALL at that point.
> 
> After that, when Win7 becomes unusable on too many web sites, I'll
> switch to Linux.

Trust me, you wouldn't be switching to Linux anytime soon in this
century. It's THAT awful.


-- 
A.M

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#7909

FromWildman <best_lay@yahoo.com>
Date2015-09-12 23:03 -0500
Message-ID<6vGdnQP3GIfnaGnInZ2dnUU7-b2dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#7888
On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 21:12:11 +0100, Good Guy wrote:

> I have also noticed that DELL has stopped selling Linux boxes;  Last 
> week they were selling for peanuts but now I don't see any.  Of course, 
> I look at DELL UK (or EMEA as some call it).  Don't know about US but it 
> is a big market not to support it.

Nonsense.

http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/555/linux-solutions
http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/555/campaigns/xps-linux-laptop?c=us&l=en&s=biz
http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/555/operating-systems/redhatalliance

-- 
<Wildman> GNU/Linux user #557453
Clues here. Get your clues here. Only fifty cents.

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#8375

Fromsctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net>
Date2015-09-19 16:07 +0000
Message-ID<mtk183$e67$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#7888
On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 15:54:38 -0400, A.M wrote:


>> After that, when Win7 becomes unusable on too many web sites, I'll
>> switch to Linux.
> 
> Trust me, you wouldn't be switching to Linux anytime soon in this
> century. It's THAT awful.

I have been on CentOS/Scientific Linux since 2008, after switching from 
OS/2!  Last Windows I had was WfWG 3.11 on an old 486/DX-25.

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#8377

From"A.M" <.m@nsn.s>
Date2015-09-19 13:51 -0400
Message-ID<mtk76j$7u0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#8375
On 2015-09-19 12:07 PM, sctvguy1 wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 15:54:38 -0400, A.M wrote:
> 
> 
>>> After that, when Win7 becomes unusable on too many web sites, I'll
>>> switch to Linux.
>>
>> Trust me, you wouldn't be switching to Linux anytime soon in this
>> century. It's THAT awful.
> 
> I have been on CentOS/Scientific Linux since 2008, after switching from 
> OS/2!  Last Windows I had was WfWG 3.11 on an old 486/DX-25.

You used OS/2 until 2008? Was it really OS/2 or had you upgraded to
eComStation?


-- 
A.M

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#7916

FromBubba <Bub@ba>
Date2015-09-13 15:14 +0200
Message-ID<67c97ed368b8c4b82048776e82b80693@dizum.com>
In reply to#7883
On Sat, 12 Sep 2015, chicagofan <me7@privacy.net> wrote:

>John Hall wrote:
>> In message <ba463e8e9a01b12fe54cda1be8f5f647@anemone.mooo.com>, Jeremy 
>> Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> writes
>>> So unless you expressly chose to switch off all Windows updates (not 
>>> recommended), you will be receiving (and have already received) a 
>>> 3-6GB silent download. As The Inquirer reader points out, this can be 
>>> found at: C:\$windows.~BT
>>
>> It's not actually necessary to switch of /all/ Windows updates. It's 
>> sufficient to switch off "optional" updates, continuing to download 
>> "essential" ones. I have always had optional updates switched off, and 
>> there is no hidden C:\$windows.~BT on my Windows 7 machine.
>>
>> Of course it's always possible that at some time in the future 
>> Microsoft will decide to upgrade the relevant updates from optional to 
>> essential.
>They are working their way there now.  :)
>
>I've noticed on my Win7 updates waiting for action lately, labels for 
>"optional" have disappeared, they moved to "recommended" briefly, and 
>way too many now, are labeled "security" ... with vague descriptions.   
>I feel MS thinks if they make investigating their "updates" too lengthy, 
>tiresome, and in some cases impossible ... we will all just give in and 
>turn our computers over to their key loggers and automatic updates.   
>Guess I'm just going to stop them ALL at that point.
>
M$ appears to be pulling out all the stops, which means
there are two possibilities.  They are desperate.  They
are under the thumbscrews of Big Brother.  Maybe both?
If M$ doesn't do a one-eighty on this forced version "10"
update Micro$py disaster, they're likely to lose more
business than they could ever expect to gain from it.

>After that, when Win7 becomes unusable on too many web sites, I'll 
>switch to Linux.
>bj

I'm hoping that Linux developers are closely monitoring
this Micro$py 10 runaway train speeding down the tracks,
so that might further motivate them to join forces and
standardize the Linux OS into a Windows-like, user friendly
version that will become very popular among disillusioned,
more like betrayed and disgusted, Windows users.  And PC
hardware manufacturers might consider jumping ship from
the proprietary sinking wreck of the RM$ Titanic.

-- 
Bub

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#7924

FromGreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>
Date2015-09-13 11:46 -0600
Message-ID<CfSdnZQ5R8IXK2jInZ2dnUU7-dmdnZ2d@bresnan.com>
In reply to#7916
On 09/13/15 07:14, Bubba wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Sep 2015, chicagofan<me7@privacy.net>  wrote:
>
>> John Hall wrote:
>>> In message<ba463e8e9a01b12fe54cda1be8f5f647@anemone.mooo.com>, Jeremy
>>> Bentham<nobody@anemone.mooo.com>  writes
>>>> So unless you expressly chose to switch off all Windows updates (not
>>>> recommended), you will be receiving (and have already received) a
>>>> 3-6GB silent download. As The Inquirer reader points out, this can be
>>>> found at: C:\$windows.~BT
>>>
>>> It's not actually necessary to switch of /all/ Windows updates. It's
>>> sufficient to switch off "optional" updates, continuing to download
>>> "essential" ones. I have always had optional updates switched off, and
>>> there is no hidden C:\$windows.~BT on my Windows 7 machine.
>>>
>>> Of course it's always possible that at some time in the future
>>> Microsoft will decide to upgrade the relevant updates from optional to
>>> essential.
>> They are working their way there now.  :)
>>
>> I've noticed on my Win7 updates waiting for action lately, labels for
>> "optional" have disappeared, they moved to "recommended" briefly, and
>> way too many now, are labeled "security" ... with vague descriptions.
>> I feel MS thinks if they make investigating their "updates" too lengthy,
>> tiresome, and in some cases impossible ... we will all just give in and
>> turn our computers over to their key loggers and automatic updates.
>> Guess I'm just going to stop them ALL at that point.
>>
> M$ appears to be pulling out all the stops, which means
> there are two possibilities.  They are desperate.  They
> are under the thumbscrews of Big Brother.  Maybe both?
> If M$ doesn't do a one-eighty on this forced version "10"
> update Micro$py disaster, they're likely to lose more
> business than they could ever expect to gain from it.
>
>> After that, when Win7 becomes unusable on too many web sites, I'll
>> switch to Linux.
>> bj
>
> I'm hoping that Linux developers are closely monitoring
> this Micro$py 10 runaway train speeding down the tracks,
> so that might further motivate them to join forces and
> standardize the Linux OS into a Windows-like, user friendly
> version that will become very popular among disillusioned,
> more like betrayed and disgusted, Windows users.  And PC
> hardware manufacturers might consider jumping ship from
> the proprietary sinking wreck of the RM$ Titanic.
>

I've been hoping for linux developers to merge and agree on some kind of 
standard, but I've been waiting for over 20 years and no soap yet.
But it can be done.


-- 
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

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#7930

FromBig Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local>
Date2015-09-13 11:49 -0700
Message-ID<u_ednSmVA--lWGjInZ2dnUU7-XmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#7924
On 09/13/15 10:46, GreyCloud so wittily quipped:
>>> After that, when Win7 becomes unusable on too many web sites, I'll
>>> switch to Linux.
>>> bj
>>
>> I'm hoping that Linux developers are closely monitoring
>> this Micro$py 10 runaway train speeding down the tracks,
>> so that might further motivate them to join forces and
>> standardize the Linux OS into a Windows-like, user friendly
>> version that will become very popular among disillusioned,
>> more like betrayed and disgusted, Windows users.  And PC
>> hardware manufacturers might consider jumping ship from
>> the proprietary sinking wreck of the RM$ Titanic.
>>
> 
> I've been hoping for linux developers to merge and agree on some kind of
> standard, but I've been waiting for over 20 years and no soap yet.
> But it can be done.
> 

Linux is the only serious competitive option (other than Apple, which is
for proprietary hardware) aside from Microsoft for desktop and notebook PCs.

[although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support at this
time, but may in the future...]

Don't count out IBM.

Microsoft's success was based on MARKETING, and not quality of product.
 If you can sell ice cubes to Eskimos (I spit in the general direction
of political correctness), you can make MS Windows "that much of the
market".

Microsoft forgot that SOFTWARE made their OS popular.  They used to say
"developers developers developers developers".  but not any more.  Now
they say "here, developers, is a DUMBED DOWN API - NOW *USE* IT, DAMMIT!
 Because WE say so!".  Happened twice now, ".Not" then "the METRO".
'universal' is a *JOKE*.

In the Linux world, however, there aren't *ENOUGH* decent tools.  KDE
has commercial tools available for Qt, though. Not enough.

I started a project [wanted to do my own toolkit for X11] for a PROPER
IDE for POSIX systems.  Got bogged down in the *LACK* of actual
*STANDARDS* for things like the clipboard.  It's kinda hackish and ugly.

GTK is interesting but clumsy (especially for dialog boxen).  wxWidgets
is smarter, but kinda piggy (unless you're porting a Windows MFC
application, in which case it helps you do it faster).  I haven't done
much with Qt other than compile it for something else.


So yeah there's quite a bit of *FRAGMENTATION* here.  And for free
software that's a free download, where's the motivation to MARKET IT and
provide the necessary 'glue' to get things rolling?

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#7951

FromJenny Telia <jnytelia@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-14 09:26 +0200
Message-ID<mt5sna$heq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#7930
On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:

> 
> [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support at this
> time, but may in the future...]
> 
> Don't count out IBM.
> 

Haha haaaa...

Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2? The Chinese make their PCs now
('Lenovo') and IBM have become what they always were in spirit - an
'empty suit' organisation.  Yes, Bill Gates helped pull the rug under
their feet. However they were always destined for mediocrity. May they
RIP ('Rot in Peace').

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#7961

From"A.M" <.m@nsn.s>
Date2015-09-14 12:06 -0400
Message-ID<mt6r6s$5h0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#7951
On 2015-09-14 3:26 AM, Jenny Telia wrote:
> On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:
> 
>>
>> [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support at this
>> time, but may in the future...]
>>
>> Don't count out IBM.
>>
> 
> Haha haaaa...
> 
> Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2?

A promising operating system ruined by IBM's general incompetence.

> The Chinese make their PCs now
> ('Lenovo')

And they are shit. My wife wanted to buy a Lenovo when she got her
laptop in 2012 and even though I told her that they are no longer made
by IBM, she was convinced that they were just as good. Three years
later, the hard disk is dying and the hinges holding the lcd to the rest
of the computer broke on their own. The LCD just hangs off of the
computer like Ahlstrom's limp dick. It's so worthless that I convinced
my wife that it was a perfect candidate for Linux.

> and IBM have become what they always were in spirit - an
> 'empty suit' organisation.  Yes, Bill Gates helped pull the rug under
> their feet. However they were always destined for mediocrity. May they
> RIP ('Rot in Peace').

Absolutely. The world of technology will be better once IBM becomes a
distant and ancient memory.

-- 
A.M

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#7962

FromWolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>
Date2015-09-14 12:16 -0400
Message-ID<CpCJx.49910$Rt1.15425@fx03.iad>
In reply to#7961
On 2015-09-14 12:06, A.M wrote:
> On 2015-09-14 3:26 AM, Jenny Telia wrote:
>> >On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>[although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support at this
>>> >>time, but may in the future...]
>>> >>
>>> >>Don't count out IBM.
>>> >>
>> >
>> >Haha haaaa...
>> >
>> >Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2?
> A promising operating system ruined by IBM's general incompetence.

And the basis for Windows NT and its successors. MS had the contract to 
write OS/2, after version 1 IIRC, MS and IBM split, and each developed 
the OS further.

IBM never did understand the personal computer, and IMO still doesn't. I 
suspect in both companies internal politics have too much effect on 
what's developed and how. That always happens when an organisation 
becomes too large. Now that Jobs is gone, Apple will suffer the same 
distractions from core purpose. He was a dictator.

-- 
Best,
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.ca

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#7970

FromShadow <Sh@dow.br>
Date2015-09-14 14:42 -0300
Message-ID<k81eva9vt80opm0v9bovgegvv7vol0made@4ax.com>
In reply to#7961
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 12:06:37 -0400, "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> wrote:

>On 2015-09-14 3:26 AM, Jenny Telia wrote:
>> On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>> 
>>>
>>> [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support at this
>>> time, but may in the future...]
>>>
>>> Don't count out IBM.
>>>
>> 
>> Haha haaaa...
>> 
>> Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2?
>
>A promising operating system ruined by IBM's general incompetence.

	It still is a very good operating system, if it's not
connected to the internet.
>
>> The Chinese make their PCs now
>> ('Lenovo')
>
>And they are shit. My wife wanted to buy a Lenovo when she got her
>laptop in 2012 and even though I told her that they are no longer made
>by IBM, she was convinced that they were just as good. Three years
>later, the hard disk is dying and the hinges holding the lcd to the rest
>of the computer broke on their own. The LCD just hangs off of the
>computer like Ahlstrom's limp dick. It's so worthless that I convinced
>my wife that it was a perfect candidate for Linux.
	
	I know this will come as a shock, but all laptops come
equipped with hard drives made by  Asians. So even if you buy 100%
American, when you open it up, you will see it is not.
	As to the limp dick thing, I'm sure your wife has a share of
the blame. Don't get depressed, it will only make matters worse.
	Appreciate the good word for Linux. If Linux can solve HDon
/limp-dick issues, maybe it should have a bigger following.
	[]'s
	
-- 
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy  - Google 2012

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#7971

FromLloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-14 17:45 +0000
Message-ID<d5ofdkFhdfdU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#7970
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 14:42:34 -0300, Shadow wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 12:06:37 -0400, "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
> 
>>On 2015-09-14 3:26 AM, Jenny Telia wrote:
>>> On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support at
>>>> this time, but may in the future...]
>>>>
>>>> Don't count out IBM.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Haha haaaa...
>>> 
>>> Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2?
>>
>>A promising operating system ruined by IBM's general incompetence.
> 
> 	It still is a very good operating system, if it's not
> connected to the internet.
>>
>>> The Chinese make their PCs now ('Lenovo')
>>
>>And they are shit. My wife wanted to buy a Lenovo when she got her
>>laptop in 2012 and even though I told her that they are no longer made
>>by IBM, she was convinced that they were just as good. Three years
>>later, the hard disk is dying and the hinges holding the lcd to the rest
>>of the computer broke on their own. The LCD just hangs off of the
>>computer like Ahlstrom's limp dick. It's so worthless that I convinced
>>my wife that it was a perfect candidate for Linux.
> 	
> 	I know this will come as a shock, but all laptops come
> equipped with hard drives made by  Asians. So even if you buy 100%
> American, when you open it up, you will see it is not.
> 	As to the limp dick thing, I'm sure your wife has a share of
> the blame. Don't get depressed, it will only make matters worse.
> 	Appreciate the good word for Linux. If Linux can solve HDon
> /limp-dick issues, maybe it should have a bigger following.
> 	[]'s

It would be nice if Linux supported many more wireless cards too!  Almost 
every laptop I've looked at won't have wifi on install of Linux.  You 
have to add it later after you find and download the driver.  That should 
not be the case these days.




-- 
Lloyd

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#7978

FromBig Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local>
Date2015-09-14 11:49 -0700
Message-ID<Fqudne3eIeshi2rInZ2dnUU7-QmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#7971
On 09/14/15 10:45, Lloyd Parsons so wittily quipped:
> It would be nice if Linux supported many more wireless cards too!  Almost 
> every laptop I've looked at won't have wifi on install of Linux.  You 
> have to add it later after you find and download the driver.  That should 
> not be the case these days.

you can blame the "no BLOB" policies from certain open source zealots.
They might mean well, but they forget WiFi has to deal with the FCC
which is why Broadcom's drivers must remain 'closed source' with a Linux
wrapper around the BLOB [what they do for access points].

In some ways Linus doesn't like BLOBs either, but I think he'd accept it
if enough people insisted.

And making them part of the kernel would solve that problem.

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#8010

From"A.M" <.m@nsn.s>
Date2015-09-14 19:33 -0400
Message-ID<mt7lbt$s39$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#7970
On 2015-09-14 1:42 PM, Shadow wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 12:06:37 -0400, "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-09-14 3:26 AM, Jenny Telia wrote:
>>> On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support at this
>>>> time, but may in the future...]
>>>>
>>>> Don't count out IBM.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Haha haaaa...
>>>
>>> Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2?
>>
>> A promising operating system ruined by IBM's general incompetence.
> 
> 	It still is a very good operating system, if it's not
> connected to the internet.
>>
>>> The Chinese make their PCs now
>>> ('Lenovo')
>>
>> And they are shit. My wife wanted to buy a Lenovo when she got her
>> laptop in 2012 and even though I told her that they are no longer made
>> by IBM, she was convinced that they were just as good. Three years
>> later, the hard disk is dying and the hinges holding the lcd to the rest
>> of the computer broke on their own. The LCD just hangs off of the
>> computer like Ahlstrom's limp dick. It's so worthless that I convinced
>> my wife that it was a perfect candidate for Linux.
> 	
> 	I know this will come as a shock, but all laptops come
> equipped with hard drives made by  Asians. So even if you buy 100%
> American, when you open it up, you will see it is not.

Really? Lenovo, which is owned by Chinky Winkies uses Asian parts? I'M
FLABBERGASTED!

> 	As to the limp dick thing, I'm sure your wife has a share of
> the blame. Don't get depressed, it will only make matters worse.

You don't have to defend Ahlstrom. He'll wipe your dick no matter what
you do. It makes him happy.

< snip >

-- 
A.M

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#8022

FromChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Date2015-09-14 20:22 -0400
Message-ID<mt7o8c$3ml$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#7970
Shadow wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 12:06:37 -0400, "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
>
>>And they are shit. My wife wanted to buy a Lenovo when she got her
>>laptop in 2012 and even though I told her that they are no longer made
>>by IBM, she was convinced that they were just as good. Three years
>>later, the hard disk is dying and the hinges holding the lcd to the rest
>>of the computer broke on their own. The LCD just hangs off of the
>>computer like Ahlstrom's limp dick. It's so worthless that I convinced
>>my wife that it was a perfect candidate for Linux.
> 	
> 	I know this will come as a shock, but all laptops come
> equipped with hard drives made by  Asians.

As I understand it, the vast majority of laptops, including the brand-names,
are made in Taiwan.

> So even if you buy 100%
> American, when you open it up, you will see it is not.

-- 
Q:	What's the difference between Bell Labs and the Boy Scouts of America?
A:	The Boy Scouts have adult supervision.

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#8001

FromDiesel <me@privacy.net>
Date2015-09-14 22:51 +0000
Message-ID<XnsA515C04EC3522F7D9A8@dieselpower.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#7961
"A.M" <.m@nsn.s> news:mt6r6s$5h0$1@dont-email.me Mon, 14 Sep 2015
16:06:37 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: 

> On 2015-09-14 3:26 AM, Jenny Telia wrote:
>> On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>> 
>>>
>>> [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support
>>> at this time, but may in the future...]
>>>
>>> Don't count out IBM.
>>>
>> 
>> Haha haaaa...
>> 
>> Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2?
> 
> A promising operating system ruined by IBM's general incompetence.

A kickass operating system ruined by IBM's marketing incompetence. It 
was superior to Windows. More stable, more secure. More reliable. 
Awesome to develop software under, too. It was a great OS!
 
>> The Chinese make their PCs now
>> ('Lenovo')
> 
> And they are shit. My wife wanted to buy a Lenovo when she got her
> laptop in 2012 and even though I told her that they are no longer
> made by IBM, she was convinced that they were just as good. Three
> years later, the hard disk is dying and the hinges holding the lcd
> to the rest of the computer broke on their own. The LCD just hangs
> off of the computer like Ahlstrom's limp dick. It's so worthless
> that I convinced my wife that it was a perfect candidate for
> Linux. 

They aren't the same since IBM off loaded them. :( They're junk now, 
imo. As you said.
 


-- 
Optimist: Someone who doesn't know all the facts yet.

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#8000

FromDiesel <me@privacy.net>
Date2015-09-14 22:51 +0000
Message-ID<XnsA515C04E5A1B8F7D9A8@dieselpower.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#7951
Jenny Telia <jnytelia@gmail.com> news:mt5sna$heq$1@dont-email.me
Mon, 14 Sep 2015 07:26:01 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: 

> On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:
> 
>> 
>> [although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support
>> at this time, but may in the future...]
>> 
>> Don't count out IBM.
>> 
> 
> Haha haaaa...
> 
> Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2? The Chinese make their PCs
> now ('Lenovo') and IBM have become what they always were in spirit
> - an 'empty suit' organisation.  Yes, Bill Gates helped pull the
> rug under their feet. However they were always destined for
> mediocrity. May they RIP ('Rot in Peace').
> 

OS2/Warp was a superior OS to Windows. It suffered from piss poor 
marketing by comparison and some shady shit MS pulled. I ran Os/2 Warp 
v4 myself.. it rocked on a 486!


-- 
Optimist: Someone who doesn't know all the facts yet.

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