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| Started by | Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> |
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| First post | 2025-08-19 16:35 +0200 |
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YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2025-08-19 16:35 +0200
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2025-08-19 16:47 +0200
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2025-08-19 07:59 -0700
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-19 22:37 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2025-10-18 12:04 -0700
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-18 20:57 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-10-19 10:08 +0200
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2025-12-13 20:32 -0800
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 20:24 +1100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-14 11:05 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-19 16:06 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Paul in Houston TX <Paul@Houston.Texas> - 2025-08-19 11:21 -0500
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-19 18:20 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Paul in Houston TX <Paul@Houston.Texas> - 2025-08-19 18:12 -0500
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-08-19 15:20 -0500
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-20 00:24 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-08-19 12:27 -0400
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? YT user<invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 16:34 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-19 18:24 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-20 21:05 +1000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-20 13:04 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-19 21:59 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-20 02:45 +0800
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2025-08-19 20:50 +0200
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-19 23:35 +0200
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-19 22:14 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-20 02:25 +0200
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-20 04:07 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-20 13:39 +0200
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-20 21:57 +1000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-20 14:26 +0200
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-20 23:00 +1000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-20 15:45 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-21 20:27 +1000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-22 08:22 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Stan Brown <someone@example.com> - 2025-08-23 08:28 -0700
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-23 16:49 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-23 21:17 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-23 23:37 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-24 03:38 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-24 03:05 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 15:49 +0200
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-24 15:05 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-24 17:56 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-24 17:58 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 20:31 +0200
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-24 18:44 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 23:53 +0200
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-25 03:28 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-25 14:00 +0200
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-25 16:51 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> - 2025-08-25 09:41 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-25 16:52 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-24 17:50 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-24 17:57 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-25 04:28 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-25 14:03 +0200
YouTube subscribes (was: Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"??) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-25 16:16 +0100
Re: YouTube subscribes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-25 20:24 +0200
Re: YouTube subscribes "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-25 21:47 +0100
Re: YouTube subscribes Schugo <schugo@schugo.de> - 2025-08-26 01:04 +0200
Re: YouTube subscribes "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-26 04:32 +0100
Re: YouTube subscribes Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-26 19:17 +1000
Re: YouTube subscribes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-26 14:54 +0200
Re: YouTube subscribes Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-26 11:33 +0100
Re: YouTube subscribes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-26 15:09 +0200
Re: YouTube subscribes Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-26 17:02 +0100
Re: YouTube subscribes "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-26 19:56 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? james moffat <spam.spam@distributel.net> - 2025-08-24 12:47 -0600
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-24 22:40 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? james moffat <spam.spam@distributel.net> - 2025-08-25 11:29 -0600
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-25 22:02 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? james moffat <spam.spam@distributel.net> - 2025-08-25 16:28 -0600
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-26 19:47 +1000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? james moffat <spam.spam@distributel.net> - 2025-08-26 10:31 -0600
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-26 20:24 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-27 16:01 +1000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> - 2025-08-25 09:28 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> - 2025-08-24 09:17 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-24 15:15 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-24 18:04 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-24 18:19 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-25 05:10 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2025-12-13 20:20 -0800
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 20:28 +1100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2025-12-16 22:18 -0800
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2025-12-13 20:16 -0800
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-14 00:16 -0500
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-14 14:20 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-14 14:06 -0500
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2025-12-16 22:12 -0800
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 20:31 +1100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2025-12-16 22:13 -0800
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-14 10:48 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 23:21 +1100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-14 14:17 -0500
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-08-19 15:21 -0500
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> - 2025-08-20 09:45 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> - 2025-08-20 10:00 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-20 16:05 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> - 2025-08-21 09:04 +0100
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-22 08:13 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-08-25 13:40 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-25 16:51 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-22 07:30 +0000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-22 20:37 +1000
Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"?? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-22 19:38 +0000
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 03:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108dvhc$23in$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #186959 |
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 03:38:14 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote : >> If anyone else is seeing YouTube-inserted ads, they're not doing it right. > So what do you think you're doing different? As I say, I wouldn't have > expected being unique every time to affect whether they're inserted or > not - onlu which ones _are_ inserted. No ads exist anywhere. Not on the YouTube page. Not in the video. The only ads are those that the host of the video does when he says something like "this video was sponsored by GroundNews", which I tap twice in the forward direction (which is set to jump 30 seconds forward). There are a hundred ways to set up YouTube so that it doesn't show ads. I explained them already. No sense repeating it another hundred times. If you ever see ads anywhere, then you're doing something wrong (IMHO). There's a reason I set up a DIY web browser for privacy, for example.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 15:49 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <fshrnlxi1u.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #186959 |
On 2025-08-24 04:38, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/8/24 0:37:47, Marion wrote: >> On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 21:17:44 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote : >> But back to what I never see... I never see an ad inserted by YouTube. >> >> If anyone else is seeing YouTube-inserted ads, they're not doing it right. > So what do you think you're doing different? As I say, I wouldn't have > expected being unique every time to affect whether they're inserted or > not - onlu which ones _are_ inserted. I don't see adds in youtube. I am not logged in, and I allow all cookies. They have all the history. I simply use uBlock Origin. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 15:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108f9n7$sfi$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #186966 |
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 15:49:35 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : >>> But back to what I never see... I never see an ad inserted by YouTube. >>> >>> If anyone else is seeing YouTube-inserted ads, they're not doing it right. >> So what do you think you're doing different? As I say, I wouldn't have >> expected being unique every time to affect whether they're inserted or >> not - onlu which ones _are_ inserted. > > I don't see adds in youtube. I am not logged in, and I allow all > cookies. They have all the history. > > I simply use uBlock Origin. I agree with Carlos' experience where I never saw ads in YouTube when I used the Epic Privacy Browser (which fell apart in the first week of July) on Windows. The problem that caused YouTube to be an issue wasn't that lack of ads but the fact that it required people to log in to prove that they're not a bot. It takes more than just uBlock Origin to prove you're not a bot, which I've been able to accomplish but where it's an uneasy truce with the algorithm.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 17:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <108fg8n$2gij9$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186969 |
On 2025/8/24 16:5:12, Marion wrote: [] > The problem that caused YouTube to be an issue wasn't that lack of ads but > the fact that it required people to log in to prove that they're not a bot. > > It takes more than just uBlock Origin to prove you're not a bot, which I've > been able to accomplish but where it's an uneasy truce with the algorithm. I was going to say I've never had that, but I think I may have once or twice - but certainly not often enough for it to be a major irritant. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment. -Robert Maynard Hutchins, educator (1899-1977)
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 17:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108fjr7$1oka$2@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #186973 |
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 17:56:55 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote : >> The problem that caused YouTube to be an issue wasn't that lack of ads but >> the fact that it required people to log in to prove that they're not a bot. >> >> It takes more than just uBlock Origin to prove you're not a bot, which I've >> been able to accomplish but where it's an uneasy truce with the algorithm. > > I was going to say I've never had that, but I think I may have once or > twice - but certainly not often enough for it to be a major irritant. Yeah, the "algorithm" is capricious in its application. I can defeat the algorithm, as it's both Draconian & sophomoric, as shown in this sequence of browser interactions taken within minutes elapsed time. <https://i.postimg.cc/rpyFGJx9/Clipboard-08-19-2025-01.jpg> You're unique <https://i.postimg.cc/8cv1kngT/Clipboard-08-19-2025-02.jpg> YT search <https://i.postimg.cc/ry4crb7k/Clipboard-08-19-2025-03.jpg> YT channel <https://i.postimg.cc/3wWQJb2z/Clipboard-08-19-2025-04.jpg> You're a bot! <https://i.postimg.cc/YqcrDkQ0/Clipboard-08-19-2025-05.jpg> Modify bits <https://i.postimg.cc/9fxXL7BH/Clipboard-08-19-2025-06.jpg> You're unique <https://i.postimg.cc/QC2R6XP3/Clipboard-08-19-2025-07.jpg> You're no bot Notice, within minutes, with the same browser, you're unique and a bot. And then, with browser tweaks, you're again unique, but no longer a bot. I didn't bother to screenshot that there were no YouTube-inserted ads. But that's vastly different things to deal with to defeat the "algorithm". 1. Whether or not YouTube thinks you're a bot 2. And whether or not YouTube thinks you're unique The advantage of YouTube not declaring you a bot is you don't have to log into any Google/Youtube account; and there is no advantage to me of YouTube thinking I'm unique in terms of ads (since I don't see them in any case). The only advantrage of being unique each time I watch YouTube is privacy. Which is why I'm building my own DIY privacy web browser on Windows 10.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 20:31 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <8c2snlxs1h.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #186969 |
On 2025-08-24 17:05, Marion wrote: > On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 15:49:35 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : > > >>>> But back to what I never see... I never see an ad inserted by YouTube. >>>> >>>> If anyone else is seeing YouTube-inserted ads, they're not doing it right. >>> So what do you think you're doing different? As I say, I wouldn't have >>> expected being unique every time to affect whether they're inserted or >>> not - onlu which ones _are_ inserted. >> >> I don't see adds in youtube. I am not logged in, and I allow all >> cookies. They have all the history. >> >> I simply use uBlock Origin. > > I agree with Carlos' experience where I never saw ads in YouTube when I > used the Epic Privacy Browser (which fell apart in the first week of July) > on Windows. > > The problem that caused YouTube to be an issue wasn't that lack of ads but > the fact that it required people to log in to prove that they're not a bot. I don't have that problem either. > > It takes more than just uBlock Origin to prove you're not a bot, which I've > been able to accomplish but where it's an uneasy truce with the algorithm. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 18:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108fmi4$1ipq$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #186978 |
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 20:31:04 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : >> The problem that caused YouTube to be an issue wasn't that lack of ads but >> the fact that it required people to log in to prove that they're not a bot. > > I don't have that problem either. I'm curious what happens if you're NOT logged into YouTube, and if you use a *different* web browser than you normally use (so cookies aren't used). Say, oh, MullVad or LibreFox Mozilla-based web browsers. Or, say, oh, Brave or Ungoogled Chromium chrome-based web browsers. Given my German and Slavic heritage, I watch "adult" war channels, which, apparently due to Russian bot interference, are stricter than most on bots. These "adult" channels I watch daily, for example, think I'm a bot: <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=denys+davydov> <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rfu+ukraine> I can trick the algorithm, but if I do nothing, they think I'm a bot. <https://i.postimg.cc/rpyFGJx9/Clipboard-08-19-2025-01.jpg> You're unique <https://i.postimg.cc/8cv1kngT/Clipboard-08-19-2025-02.jpg> YT search <https://i.postimg.cc/ry4crb7k/Clipboard-08-19-2025-03.jpg> YT channel <https://i.postimg.cc/3wWQJb2z/Clipboard-08-19-2025-04.jpg> You're a bot! <https://i.postimg.cc/YqcrDkQ0/Clipboard-08-19-2025-05.jpg> Modify bits <https://i.postimg.cc/9fxXL7BH/Clipboard-08-19-2025-06.jpg> You're unique <https://i.postimg.cc/QC2R6XP3/Clipboard-08-19-2025-07.jpg> You're no bot What's interesting is how Draconian the YouTube bot algorithm is, and yet, at the same time, how easy it is to trick it, simply because it's stupid.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 23:53 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <a8esnlxqmb.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #186980 |
On 2025-08-24 20:44, Marion wrote: > On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 20:31:04 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : > > >>> The problem that caused YouTube to be an issue wasn't that lack of ads but >>> the fact that it required people to log in to prove that they're not a bot. >> >> I don't have that problem either. > > I'm curious what happens if you're NOT logged into YouTube, and if you use > a *different* web browser than you normally use (so cookies aren't used). > > Say, oh, MullVad or LibreFox Mozilla-based web browsers. > Or, say, oh, Brave or Ungoogled Chromium chrome-based web browsers. I tried Seamonkey, which I have installed; went to youtube. Accepted cookies. Got empty search. Searched for a chap I follow, clicked, and got two adverts. Click skip, play the video. I don't want to watch it entirely, so I don't know if there are more adverts ahead. > > Given my German and Slavic heritage, I watch "adult" war channels, which, > apparently due to Russian bot interference, are stricter than most on bots. I watched a video from a Dane analyst on the war, Anders Puck Nielsen. ... -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-25 03:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108gl8o$1lrh$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #186983 |
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 23:53:46 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : >>>> The problem that caused YouTube to be an issue wasn't that lack of ads but >>>> the fact that it required people to log in to prove that they're not a bot. >>> >>> I don't have that problem either. >> >> I'm curious what happens if you're NOT logged into YouTube, and if you use >> a *different* web browser than you normally use (so cookies aren't used). >> >> Say, oh, MullVad or LibreFox Mozilla-based web browsers. >> Or, say, oh, Brave or Ungoogled Chromium chrome-based web browsers. > > I tried Seamonkey, which I have installed; went to youtube. Accepted > cookies. Got empty search. Searched for a chap I follow, clicked, and > got two adverts. Click skip, play the video. I don't want to watch it > entirely, so I don't know if there are more adverts ahead. Thanks for running that test where the ads aren't "my" issue, where my questions are mostly around the topic of this thread someone started. If you're logged into YouTube already, that's a different test. If you're NOT logged in, that's the test I'm asking folks to do. The easiest way is to open an incognito window I guess. Mozilla: Ctrl+Shift+P Chrome: Ctrl+Shift+N If you see your account icon, you're already signed in. If you can subscribe or comment, you're already signed in. YouTube should look like it's seeing you for the first time. Otherwise the test isn't valid for the bot issue we're speaking about.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-25 14:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <3svtnlxmfr.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #186984 |
On 2025-08-25 05:28, Marion wrote: > On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 23:53:46 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : > > >>>>> The problem that caused YouTube to be an issue wasn't that lack of ads but >>>>> the fact that it required people to log in to prove that they're not a bot. >>>> >>>> I don't have that problem either. >>> >>> I'm curious what happens if you're NOT logged into YouTube, and if you use >>> a *different* web browser than you normally use (so cookies aren't used). >>> >>> Say, oh, MullVad or LibreFox Mozilla-based web browsers. >>> Or, say, oh, Brave or Ungoogled Chromium chrome-based web browsers. >> >> I tried Seamonkey, which I have installed; went to youtube. Accepted >> cookies. Got empty search. Searched for a chap I follow, clicked, and >> got two adverts. Click skip, play the video. I don't want to watch it >> entirely, so I don't know if there are more adverts ahead. > > Thanks for running that test where the ads aren't "my" issue, where my > questions are mostly around the topic of this thread someone started. > Adds were present because I did not bother to install an add blocker for the test. They are not a problem for me in FFx. > If you're logged into YouTube already, that's a different test. > If you're NOT logged in, that's the test I'm asking folks to do. Not logged in. > > The easiest way is to open an incognito window I guess. > Mozilla: Ctrl+Shift+P > Chrome: Ctrl+Shift+N > If you see your account icon, you're already signed in. > If you can subscribe or comment, you're already signed in. > > YouTube should look like it's seeing you for the first time. > Otherwise the test isn't valid for the bot issue we're speaking about. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-25 16:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108i4b8$2im6$2@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #186992 |
On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 14:00:35 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : >> If you're logged into YouTube already, that's a different test. >> If you're NOT logged in, that's the test I'm asking folks to do. > > Not logged in. Thanks for running that test. a. When wasbit ran that test, it asked him to sign in; b. When you ran it, it didn't ask you to sign in; c. When I ran it, it first asked - then I tweaked - then it let me in. I think that's the whole point of the OP's request about signing in. Some of us don't need to sign in. Others do. As for me, it will ask me to sign in but I tweak a few switches. And then I can watch the "adult" YouTube war channel w/o signing in. As with most Draconian yet sophomoric algorithms, YMMV. That's what the OP was asking about, I think, in the first place. We've pretty much proved that what happens depends on each of our setups.
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| From | wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-25 09:41 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <108h7k9$3ag6n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186980 |
On 24/08/2025 19:44, Marion wrote: > On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 20:31:04 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : > > >>> The problem that caused YouTube to be an issue wasn't that lack of ads but >>> the fact that it required people to log in to prove that they're not a bot. >> >> I don't have that problem either. > > I'm curious what happens if you're NOT logged into YouTube, and if you use > a *different* web browser than you normally use (so cookies aren't used). > > Say, oh, MullVad or LibreFox Mozilla-based web browsers. > Or, say, oh, Brave or Ungoogled Chromium chrome-based web browsers. > > Given my German and Slavic heritage, I watch "adult" war channels, which, > apparently due to Russian bot interference, are stricter than most on bots. > > These "adult" channels I watch daily, for example, think I'm a bot: > <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=denys+davydov> > <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rfu+ukraine> > > I can trick the algorithm, but if I do nothing, they think I'm a bot. > <https://i.postimg.cc/rpyFGJx9/Clipboard-08-19-2025-01.jpg> You're unique > <https://i.postimg.cc/8cv1kngT/Clipboard-08-19-2025-02.jpg> YT search > <https://i.postimg.cc/ry4crb7k/Clipboard-08-19-2025-03.jpg> YT channel > <https://i.postimg.cc/3wWQJb2z/Clipboard-08-19-2025-04.jpg> You're a bot! > <https://i.postimg.cc/YqcrDkQ0/Clipboard-08-19-2025-05.jpg> Modify bits > <https://i.postimg.cc/9fxXL7BH/Clipboard-08-19-2025-06.jpg> You're unique > <https://i.postimg.cc/QC2R6XP3/Clipboard-08-19-2025-07.jpg> You're no bot > > What's interesting is how Draconian the YouTube bot algorithm is, and yet, > at the same time, how easy it is to trick it, simply because it's stupid. > From your link I watched - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9QOd7C5iVg with Mullvad browser (13.5.2 because my main OS is W8.1). I got the normal pop-up asking me to sign in & accept/reject cookies, which I rejected. Video started playing immediately. I only watched for about 20 seconds. -- Regards wasbit
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-25 16:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108i4bh$2ivo$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #186989 |
On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 09:41:43 +0100, wasbit wrote : > From your link I watched > - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9QOd7C5iVg > with Mullvad browser (13.5.2 because my main OS is W8.1). > I got the normal pop-up asking me to sign in & accept/reject cookies, > which I rejected. > Video started playing immediately. I only watched for about 20 seconds. Thanks for running that test. Your test confirms what many people are seeing. I suspect most who are not seeing the sign in prompt, are not seeing it because they're already signed in (but it's hard to tell if they even know whether or not they're signed in, but Carlos tested it w/o being signed in). So, as with most capriciously Draconian yet sophomoric algorithms, YMMV. I think that's the whole point of the original poster's issue. Most of the time lately, YouTube will ask you to sign in (if not already). For me, since I have no account to sign into, most of the time it asks me to sign in also. But I refuse to sign in. Which is my wont. But I still want to watch the video. So I tweak a few things in the web browser. And then it lets me watch the video without signing in. I think that's the whole point of this thread, after all. Note on Android I don't get the sign-in prompt because NewPipe fakes it.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 17:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <108fft8$2gij9$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186966 |
On 2025/8/24 14:49:35, Carlos E.R. wrote: > I don't see adds in youtube. I am not logged in, and I allow all > cookies. They have all the history. > > I simply use uBlock Origin. > You have prompted me to read up a bit on uO. I see that, basically, it's a list-based system, with the advantages and disadvantages that involves. (The disadvantages include lag, and false positives [including malicious]; there are advantages too.) uO seems to have other desirable features, such as tracking reduction and other privacy matters. Specifically for YouTube ad.s - the ones before and during videos, I mean, not any others on the pages anywhere - does anyone know what proportion of the ad. revenue gets to the content creator, i. e. the person or entity who created the video I am viewing? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment. -Robert Maynard Hutchins, educator (1899-1977)
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 17:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108fjr6$1oka$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #186972 |
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 17:50:47 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote :
> Specifically for YouTube ad.s - the ones before and during videos, I
> mean, not any others on the pages anywhere - does anyone know what
> proportion of the ad. revenue gets to the content creator, i. e. the
> person or entity who created the video I am viewing?
I just searched and this may be wrong but this is what I found:
Q: How Much Do Creators Earn from YouTube Ads?
A: YouTube uses a revenue-sharing model:
Creators receive 55% of ad revenue.
YouTube keeps 45%.
The amount a creator earns depends on:
CPM (Cost Per Mille): How much advertisers pay per 1,000 ad views.
RPM (Revenue Per Mille):
What creators actually earn per 1,000 video views after YouTube's cut.
If CPM is $5, the creator earns $2.75 per 1,000 monetized views.
Q: Do Viewers Need to Watch the Entire Ad?
A: It depends on the type of ad:
+-------------------+-----------------------+-------------------+
| Ad Type | Must Be Watched Fully | Revenue Trigger |
+-------------------+-----------------------+-------------------+
| Skippable ads | No, 30 sec or click | Partial revenue |
| Non-skippable ads | Yes (15-20 sec) | Full revenue |
| Mid-roll ads | Depends on placement | Varies |
| Bumper ads | Yes (6 sec) | Full revenue |
| Overlay ads | Click or interaction | Click-based |
+-------------------+-----------------------+-------------------+
Q: What Affects Earnings?
A: Audience location: U.S., Canada, and Europe tend to have higher CPMs.
Content niche:
Finance, tech & education often earn more than entertainment or gaming.
Viewer likes, comments, & watch time boost ad delivery and earnings.
Hmmm... how much are they making off of me then?
I looked up recently my methodology of "subscribing" to YouTube channels,
where I found out the subscription is on my device & only on my device.
That means when I subscribe to a YouTube channel, the YouTube channel
creator receives no up-ticks from me in his all-important reputation.
Also I can "see" comments, but I can't 'add' comments, since you have to be
logged into YouTube in order to post comments (and I'm never logged in).
I can do all the normal stuff though, like search and create playlists and
download any YouTube video (or rip the audio), just like anyone else can.
As with my subscriptions, the "history" is only on my device though.
As for the advertisements, since there are none, I suspect nothing goes to
the creator in my case, just as with the lack of comments & subscriptions.
But for most people who follow the rules, I'm sure there's a penny or two
going to the content creator every time someone listens fully to an ad.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-08-25 04:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <108gl8n$2gija$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186975 |
On 2025/8/24 18:57:59, Marion wrote: > On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 17:50:47 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote : > > >> Specifically for YouTube ad.s - the ones before and during videos, I >> mean, not any others on the pages anywhere - does anyone know what >> proportion of the ad. revenue gets to the content creator, i. e. the >> person or entity who created the video I am viewing? Thanks for looking this up.> > I just searched and this may be wrong but this is what I found: > Q: How Much Do Creators Earn from YouTube Ads? > A: YouTube uses a revenue-sharing model: > Creators receive 55% of ad revenue. > YouTube keeps 45%. That's actually more generous (to the creators) than I was expecting. > The amount a creator earns depends on: > > CPM (Cost Per Mille): How much advertisers pay per 1,000 ad views. > RPM (Revenue Per Mille): > What creators actually earn per 1,000 video views after YouTube's cut. > If CPM is $5, the creator earns $2.75 per 1,000 monetized views. Yes, that's 55% of 5.> > Q: Do Viewers Need to Watch the Entire Ad? > A: It depends on the type of ad: > +-------------------+-----------------------+-------------------+ > | Ad Type | Must Be Watched Fully | Revenue Trigger | > +-------------------+-----------------------+-------------------+ > | Skippable ads | No, 30 sec or click | Partial revenue | > | Non-skippable ads | Yes (15-20 sec) | Full revenue | > | Mid-roll ads | Depends on placement | Varies | > | Bumper ads | Yes (6 sec) | Full revenue | > | Overlay ads | Click or interaction | Click-based | > +-------------------+-----------------------+-------------------+ > Seems reasonable. > Q: What Affects Earnings? > A: Audience location: U.S., Canada, and Europe tend to have higher CPMs. > Content niche: > Finance, tech & education often earn more than entertainment or gaming. Finance is always connected to lots of money. I'm surprised the last two are low, though, and that education is high. > Viewer likes, comments, & watch time boost ad delivery and earnings. > > Hmmm... how much are they making off of me then? > > I looked up recently my methodology of "subscribing" to YouTube channels, > where I found out the subscription is on my device & only on my device. > > That means when I subscribe to a YouTube channel, the YouTube channel > creator receives no up-ticks from me in his all-important reputation. No. I guess if you subscribing makes it show you more of his clips, he'd get more of any ad.s you see, but as you don't see any, ... I've often wondered what subscribing _does_ do; I _presume_ it means it _does_ give you more from that channel. (Maybe even it gives you _every_ _new_ post from that channel.) I've not seen it actually say anywhere, though. (Though I haven't really looked.)> > Also I can "see" comments, but I can't 'add' comments, since you have to be > logged into YouTube in order to post comments (and I'm never logged in). I always am (yes, Google/YouTube will know a lot about me), and not infrequently have conversations there.> > I can do all the normal stuff though, like search and create playlists and > download any YouTube video (or rip the audio), just like anyone else can. > > As with my subscriptions, the "history" is only on my device though. > > As for the advertisements, since there are none, I suspect nothing goes to > the creator in my case, just as with the lack of comments & subscriptions. > > But for most people who follow the rules, I'm sure there's a penny or two > going to the content creator every time someone listens fully to an ad. I suppose that's part of the reason I don't block: I'm not actually paying, but the creators are getting something. OK, there are some who just create for fun, but one or two I think make a living at it. Obviously, I _am_ paying with my time, but most of the time I don't resent that, though it _can_ be irritating. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf I'm too lazy to have a bigger ego. - James May, RT 2016/1/23-29
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-25 14:03 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <b20unlxmfr.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #186985 |
On 2025-08-25 05:28, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/8/24 18:57:59, Marion wrote: >> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 17:50:47 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote : ... >> That means when I subscribe to a YouTube channel, the YouTube channel >> creator receives no up-ticks from me in his all-important reputation. > > No. I guess if you subscribing makes it show you more of his clips, he'd > get more of any ad.s you see, but as you don't see any, ... > > I've often wondered what subscribing _does_ do; I _presume_ it means it > _does_ give you more from that channel. (Maybe even it gives you _every_ > _new_ post from that channel.) I've not seen it actually say anywhere, > though. (Though I haven't really looked.)> You get told when there is a new video on that channel. ... -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-08-25 16:16 +0100 |
| Subject | YouTube subscribes (was: Re: YouTube : "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot"??) |
| Message-ID | <108huov$3g6a2$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186993 |
On 2025/8/25 13:3:55, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-08-25 05:28, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> On 2025/8/24 18:57:59, Marion wrote: >>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 17:50:47 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote : > > ... > >>> That means when I subscribe to a YouTube channel, the YouTube channel >>> creator receives no up-ticks from me in his all-important reputation. >> >> No. I guess if you subscribing makes it show you more of his clips, he'd >> get more of any ad.s you see, but as you don't see any, ... >> >> I've often wondered what subscribing _does_ do; I _presume_ it means it >> _does_ give you more from that channel. (Maybe even it gives you _every_ >> _new_ post from that channel.) I've not seen it actually say anywhere, >> though. (Though I haven't really looked.)> > > You get told when there is a new video on that channel. > > ... > > How do I get "told"? I certainly don't get emails. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the way before it is understood." - Fortunes
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-25 20:24 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: YouTube subscribes |
| Message-ID | <lcmunlxsmg.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #186996 |
On 2025-08-25 17:16, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/8/25 13:3:55, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-08-25 05:28, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>> On 2025/8/24 18:57:59, Marion wrote: >>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 17:50:47 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote : >> >> ... >> >>>> That means when I subscribe to a YouTube channel, the YouTube channel >>>> creator receives no up-ticks from me in his all-important reputation. >>> >>> No. I guess if you subscribing makes it show you more of his clips, he'd >>> get more of any ad.s you see, but as you don't see any, ... >>> >>> I've often wondered what subscribing _does_ do; I _presume_ it means it >>> _does_ give you more from that channel. (Maybe even it gives you _every_ >>> _new_ post from that channel.) I've not seen it actually say anywhere, >>> though. (Though I haven't really looked.)> >> >> You get told when there is a new video on that channel. >> >> ... >> >> > How do I get "told"? I certainly don't get emails. I get notifications in my phone, for example. On my computer, the loged in session gets messages under the bell icon (top right). -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-08-25 21:47 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: YouTube subscribes |
| Message-ID | <108ii5g$3grl8$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #187001 |
On 2025/8/25 19:24:53, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-08-25 17:16, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> On 2025/8/25 13:3:55, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-08-25 05:28, J. P. Gilliver wrote: [] >>>> I've often wondered what subscribing _does_ do; I _presume_ it means it >>>> _does_ give you more from that channel. (Maybe even it gives you _every_ >>>> _new_ post from that channel.) I've not seen it actually say anywhere, >>>> though. (Though I haven't really looked.)> >>> >>> You get told when there is a new video on that channel. >>> >>> ... >>> >>> >> How do I get "told"? I certainly don't get emails. > > I get notifications in my phone, for example. Ah. I'm accessing via web browser (on computer) only.> > On my computer, the loged in session gets messages under the bell icon > (top right). > Is that the same place you get notificatinns that someone has posted a folloeup comment to any comments you make? If so, I get such notifications, but have never seen a notification of a new video. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The impression is that the reporter doesn't really understand the subject and he is mistaking the expert's slow methodical thought for a politician's prevarication or a layman's ignorance. - Liz Tuddenham in uk.media.radio.bbc-r4, 2022-3-6
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