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  Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-27 14:27 +0100
    Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-07-27 10:08 -0400
      Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-27 16:22 +0100
        Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> - 2025-07-27 09:18 -0700
        Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-07-27 13:22 -0400
          Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-27 20:12 +0200
          Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 04:47 +0100
          Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2025-09-18 18:06 -0700
            Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-09-19 06:42 +0100
        Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2025-07-27 19:26 +0100
    Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-07-27 16:22 +0100
    Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-27 20:14 +0200
      Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 04:22 +0100
        Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-28 14:31 +0200
          Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-07-28 14:28 +0000
            Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 16:58 +0100
              Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:40 +0200
                Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-07-30 04:28 +0200
                  Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-30 22:03 +0100
            Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:30 +0200
        Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-07-28 15:40 +0100
          Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 17:09 +0100
            Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-07-28 20:50 +0100
              Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-29 01:04 +0100
            Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-07-29 13:43 +0000
              Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 19:13 +0200
              Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-29 23:08 +0100
                Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-07-31 09:54 +0000
        Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-07-28 11:04 -0500
          Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 17:13 +0100
    Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2025-07-27 19:22 +0100
      Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-27 20:52 +0200
      Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-07-27 15:16 -0500
      Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 04:34 +0100
        Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-07-27 23:05 -0500
        Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2025-07-28 10:04 +0100
          Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 12:02 +0100
            Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2025-07-28 16:59 +0100
              Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 17:30 +0100
        Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-28 14:34 +0200
          Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 17:21 +0100
            Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:45 +0200
              Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-29 23:12 +0100
                Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-30 02:47 +0200
            Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> - 2025-07-30 08:50 -0700
              Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-30 22:07 +0100
    Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-07-28 06:25 +0200
      Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-28 14:37 +0200
    Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Bennett Price <bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu> - 2025-07-28 12:48 -0700
      Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-29 01:10 +0100
        Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:48 +0200
          Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-29 23:23 +0100
            Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-30 02:58 +0200
              Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-30 22:23 +0100
                Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 15:30 +0200
                  Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-31 16:11 +0100
                    Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 22:39 +0200
                      Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-01 21:03 +0100
                        Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 03:42 +0200
                          Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-02 08:30 +0100
                            Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2025-08-02 10:31 +0100
                              Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-02 19:32 +0100
                            Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 14:33 +0200
                              Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-02 16:55 +0100
                            Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-08-02 18:06 +0200
                              Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-02 19:16 +0100
                                Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 22:59 +0200
                                  Kindle, chatgpt "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-03 02:24 +0100
                                    Re: Kindle, chatgpt "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-03 22:08 +0200
                                      Re: Kindle, chatgpt "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-04 03:09 +0100
                                        Re: Kindle, chatgpt "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-04 12:46 +0200
                                          Re: Kindle, chatgpt "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-04 12:03 +0100
                                            Re: Kindle, chatgpt "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-04 13:43 +0200
                                          Re: Kindle, chatgpt Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-04 12:56 +0000
                                          Re: Kindle, chatgpt Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-04 14:35 -0400
        Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-08-02 18:21 +0200
    Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-04 13:05 +0000
      Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-06 23:20 +0100
        Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-07 14:43 +0200

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#186301

On 2025-07-28 04:22, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2025/7/27 19:14:25, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-07-27 15:27, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>
>> I don't understand why you want short file names or bother with them.
>>
> There are los of reasons, but one is: if I'm in a command window, and I
> want to move one step at a time to something like
> 
> <drive>:blahhhhh\blahhhh blah blah\blah blahh\blahhh
> 
> , it's easier to type "cd blahbl~1" (or whatever).
> 
> Another reason is if I want to reference an LFN with a space in it in a
> context where a space would cause problems or at least make things more
> difficult (batch files for example).
> 
> I'm sure others can think of lots more reasons.
> 
> I don't understand why you - apparently, anyway, from the above line -
> dislike them.

I would suggest other possibilities which I believe are simpler ...

   +  Type 'cd ' into the console, drag and drop directory name from an 
Explorer window (in what seems pretty much like a bug, drag and drop 
doesn't work if console was run as Admninistrator ... maddening!).

   +  If administrator console, type <alt-r>, type 'cd ' into the Run 
dialog, drag and drop directory name from an Explorer window into the 
Run dialog, copy it from the dialog and <rt-click> in the console to 
paste it, type <Enter>.

   +  <Shift-rt-click> directory in Explorer and choose 'Open command 
windows here'.

   +  If all else fails ...

	cd [First few non-blank characters of 1st-directory name]*
	cd [First few non-blank characters of 2nd-directory name]*
	[etc]

Notes:

+  In all cases 'cd' can be replaced by 'pushd', to allow later use of 
'popd' to restore the original directory.

+  Where drag and drop works for directory names, it also works for file 
names.

-- 

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: 
www.macfh.co.uk

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#186308

On 2025/7/28 15:40:24, Java Jive wrote:
> On 2025-07-28 04:22, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> On 2025/7/27 19:14:25, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-07-27 15:27, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't understand why you want short file names or bother with them.

[]

>> I don't understand why you - apparently, anyway, from the above line -
>> dislike them.
> 
> I would suggest other possibilities which I believe are simpler ...
> 
>    +  Type 'cd ' into the console, drag and drop directory name from an 
> Explorer window (in what seems pretty much like a bug, drag and drop 

Clever. I never remember you can do that

> doesn't work if console was run as Admninistrator ... maddening!).

(except where you can't). cd followed by something with spaces in works,
too.
[]>    +  <Shift-rt-click> directory in Explorer and choose 'Open command
> windows here'.

In both 7 and 10, I had to fiddle to make that option visible. (I've
done it, and I also have an option to open an Admin command prompt here.)>
>    +  If all else fails ...
> 
> 	cd [First few non-blank characters of 1st-directory name]*
> 	cd [First few non-blank characters of 2nd-directory name]*
> 	[etc]

True!>
> Notes:
> 
> +  In all cases 'cd' can be replaced by 'pushd', to allow later use of 
> 'popd' to restore the original directory.

I didn't know about those! Thanks. (Now, how to remember they exist!)>
> +  Where drag and drop works for directory names, it also works for file 
> names.
> 
If anyone's wondering: the most recent way I wanted to do these, was to
investigate the contents of subdirectories created by Kindle and
calibre; in both cases, Steffen Gerlach's scanner didn't detect the size
of the contents of the subdirectories, making me wonder if they were
making File Explorer tell fibs. Since Xtree Gold - which usually shows
me the truth in these circumstances - doesn't work in 64 bit systems, I
was wondering if command prompt moving about would.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

At the age of 7, Julia Elizabeth Wells could sing notes only dogs could
hear.

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#186319

On 2025-07-28 17:09, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
> If anyone's wondering: the most recent way I wanted to do these, was to
> investigate the contents of subdirectories created by Kindle and
> calibre; in both cases, Steffen Gerlach's scanner didn't detect the size
> of the contents of the subdirectories, making me wonder if they were
> making File Explorer tell fibs. Since Xtree Gold - which usually shows
> me the truth in these circumstances - doesn't work in 64 bit systems, I
> was wondering if command prompt moving about would.

Ensure that nothing is hidden (& optionally read only) ...

	attrib [-r] -h -s /d /s <path>/*.*

... then ...

	dir [/b] [/on] /<path>/*.*

... where the optional /b switch lists only files without the rest of 
the normal directory output, and the option /ox swith sorts the results 
into a given order, n = name.

-- 

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: 
www.macfh.co.uk

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#186324

On 2025/7/28 20:50:49, Java Jive wrote:
> On 2025-07-28 17:09, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>
>> If anyone's wondering: the most recent way I wanted to do these, was to
>> investigate the contents of subdirectories created by Kindle and
>> calibre; in both cases, Steffen Gerlach's scanner didn't detect the size
>> of the contents of the subdirectories, making me wonder if they were
>> making File Explorer tell fibs. Since Xtree Gold - which usually shows
>> me the truth in these circumstances - doesn't work in 64 bit systems, I
>> was wondering if command prompt moving about would.
> 
> Ensure that nothing is hidden (& optionally read only) ...
> 
> 	attrib [-r] -h -s /d /s <path>/*.*
> 
> ... then ...
> 
> 	dir [/b] [/on] /<path>/*.*
> 
> ... where the optional /b switch lists only files without the rest of 
> the normal directory output, and the option /ox swith sorts the results 
> into a given order, n = name.
> 

plain "dir /s" works (from My Kindle Content) - i. e. it sees the files
in the subdirectory B01N41TEO3_EBOK .  But "scanner" doesn't even see
the subdirectory. I've tried a

	attrib  -r -h -s /d /s *.*

(from MKC) to make sure (and a Take Ownership for good measure), but no joy.

Yes, scanner (http://www.steffengerlach.de/freeware/) _is_ old, but I'm
puzzled why it's not seeing the subdirectory - and it makes me
suspicious that Kindle is doing something peculiar. [And calibre.]]

-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Alcohol is way ahead of cocaine as the world's deadliest drug, hastening
around three million people per year into their graves (cocaine and
heroin and crystal meth account for around half a million annually).
Revd Richard Coles, RT 2021/7/3-9

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#186337

J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> On 2025/7/28 15:40:24, Java Jive wrote:
[...]
> > +  In all cases 'cd' can be replaced by 'pushd', to allow later use of 
> > 'popd' to restore the original directory.
> 
> I didn't know about those! Thanks. (Now, how to remember they exist!)>

  About "Now, how to remember they exist!": I document these kind of
tips/tricks in (plain text) documentation files and try to give these
files some reasonably sensible names.

  Next is of course to 'remember' the names of these files. I manage
most of the time by putting some sensible keyword in wildcards in a
'dir' command. For example in this case 'dir *command*', which, amongst
others, gives me my file Command_Prompt_DOS_commands, but also several
other files with Windows commands which can be used in a Command Prompt
window.

  If those kind of 'dir' commands don't turn up anything, I do a keyword
search *in* my files. Because I have a Unix-like environment in Windows
(Cygwin), I use the Unix 'grep' command to search, because that can use
(quite sophisticated) regular expressions. In plain Windows, you could
use the 'findstr' ("Searches for strings in files.") command or <barf!>
Windows' Search in File Explorer.

[...]

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#186340

On 2025-07-29 15:43, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> On 2025/7/28 15:40:24, Java Jive wrote:
> [...]
>>> +  In all cases 'cd' can be replaced by 'pushd', to allow later use of
>>> 'popd' to restore the original directory.
>>
>> I didn't know about those! Thanks. (Now, how to remember they exist!)>
> 
>    About "Now, how to remember they exist!": I document these kind of
> tips/tricks in (plain text) documentation files and try to give these
> files some reasonably sensible names.
> 
>    Next is of course to 'remember' the names of these files. I manage
> most of the time by putting some sensible keyword in wildcards in a
> 'dir' command. For example in this case 'dir *command*', which, amongst
> others, gives me my file Command_Prompt_DOS_commands, but also several
> other files with Windows commands which can be used in a Command Prompt
> window.

I have a big "howto" text file. And another "programs_that_do_things" 
(but in Spanish).

Then I also use "gnote", which is a derivative from "Tomboy", for taking 
notes. It has a search feature, and accepts some formatting and hot 
links across notes.

> 
>    If those kind of 'dir' commands don't turn up anything, I do a keyword
> search *in* my files. Because I have a Unix-like environment in Windows
> (Cygwin), I use the Unix 'grep' command to search, because that can use
> (quite sophisticated) regular expressions. In plain Windows, you could
> use the 'findstr' ("Searches for strings in files.") command or <barf!>
> Windows' Search in File Explorer.

I would use "mc" (midnight commander), which is similar to the Norton 
Commander, an orthodox file manager. It can search for text in a bunch 
of files and open those that hit for read or edit. in Windows I might 
use Double Commander.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#186353

On 2025/7/29 14:43:33, Frank Slootweg wrote:

[]

>   If those kind of 'dir' commands don't turn up anything, I do a keyword
> search *in* my files. Because I have a Unix-like environment in Windows
> (Cygwin), I use the Unix 'grep' command to search, because that can use
> (quite sophisticated) regular expressions. In plain Windows, you could
> use the 'findstr' ("Searches for strings in files.") command or <barf!>
> Windows' Search in File Explorer.
> 
> [...]

Hmm. I used to use Agent Ransack for the rare occasions where I wanted
to do a content search; I haven't got round to installing that on this
machine. I've just looked at findstr /? (needed | more), and it sure
looks powerful - I fear I'd never learn all those switches now, unlike
when I started with DOS and the like.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Of course some of it [television] is bad. But some of everything is bad
- books, music, family ... - Melvyn Bragg, RT 2017/7/1-7

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#186396

J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> On 2025/7/29 14:43:33, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> 
> []
> 
> >   If those kind of 'dir' commands don't turn up anything, I do a keyword
> > search *in* my files. Because I have a Unix-like environment in Windows
> > (Cygwin), I use the Unix 'grep' command to search, because that can use
> > (quite sophisticated) regular expressions. In plain Windows, you could
> > use the 'findstr' ("Searches for strings in files.") command or <barf!>
> > Windows' Search in File Explorer.
> > 
> > [...]
> 
> Hmm. I used to use Agent Ransack for the rare occasions where I wanted
> to do a content search; I haven't got round to installing that on this
> machine. I've just looked at findstr /? (needed | more), and it sure
> looks powerful - I fear I'd never learn all those switches now, unlike
> when I started with DOS and the like.

  Well, for most simple cases, you don't need any (findstr) switches or
regular expressions.

  For example, this works perfectly fine:

findstr Gilliver News\posted

[Returns 348 lines! :-)]

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#186307

On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 04:22:17 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
wrote:

>On 2025/7/27 19:14:25, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-07-27 15:27, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> 
>> I don't understand why you want short file names or bother with them.
>> 
>There are los of reasons, but one is: if I'm in a command window, and I
>want to move one step at a time to something like
>
><drive>:blahhhhh\blahhhh blah blah\blah blahh\blahhh
>
>, it's easier to type "cd blahbl~1" (or whatever).

Easier than using 'tab auto complete'? I type one or more letters, then
I use the tab key to display the first matching file. If that's the file
I want, I'm done. If not, I press tab again, and so on. Filenames with
spaces automatically get quotation marks. Each additional letter typed
reduces the number of candidates offered up by the tab key.

Like the others that have responded, I haven't used short file names
since LFNs became available, about 30 years ago. I'm not sure why I
would ever go back.

<snip>

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#186310

On 2025/7/28 17:4:30, Char Jackson wrote:

[]

> Easier than using 'tab auto complete'? I type one or more letters, then
> I use the tab key to display the first matching file. If that's the file
> I want, I'm done. If not, I press tab again, and so on. Filenames with
> spaces automatically get quotation marks. Each additional letter typed
> reduces the number of candidates offered up by the tab key.

Another useful method I either had forgotten about or didn't know, thank
you!>
> Like the others that have responded, I haven't used short file names
> since LFNs became available, about 30 years ago. I'm not sure why I
> would ever go back.
> 
> <snip>
> 
I _think_ there may still be cases involving batch files where problems
might arise; there it's more the presence of spaces, rather than the
length of a file (or directory) name as such, that can be a problem.

-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

At the age of 7, Julia Elizabeth Wells could sing notes only dogs could
hear.

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#186270

In message <10659gp$1kcc7$5@dont-email.me>, J. P. Gilliver 
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes
[about Kindle]
>I'd be interested in comments - in particular,
>(a) is the access limited to just this PC?

No. The master version of your Kindle library lives somewhere on 
Amazon's website. Assuming you have an account with Amazon, you can also 
access it from another PC (I assume, though I've never tried that), from 
your Kindle device should you acquire one, or via the Kindle app on your 
Android smartphone and/or tablet (should you have one). Kindle offers a 
sync function, so that after clicking on it you can resume reading a 
book from the point where you left off on a different device. Obviously 
you need to be online for that so it can download the necessary info 
(including the book itself if you've not previously opened it on this 
device).

>(b) can Amazon remotely delete it? (This PC is online most of the 
>time.)

I imagine in theory they could, but I can't see why they'd want to.

I confess I've largely gone over to reading on Kindle nowadays, mainly 
because I was running out of room to store any more physical books. 
There are also some amazing bargains to be had, especially for books 
that are out of copyright. It's also handy if I'm going away on holiday, 
as I no longer need to put several heavy books in my luggage.
-- 
John Hall
                "I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
                 will hardly mind anything else."
                                            Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84)

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#186273

On 2025-07-27 20:22, John Hall wrote:
> 
>> (b) can Amazon remotely delete it? (This PC is online most of the time.)
> 
> I imagine in theory they could, but I can't see why they'd want to.
> 
> I confess I've largely gone over to reading on Kindle nowadays, mainly 
> because I was running out of room to store any more physical books. 
> There are also some amazing bargains to be had, especially for books 
> that are out of copyright. It's also handy if I'm going away on holiday, 
> as I no longer need to put several heavy books in my luggage.

Same here, but with a Kobo.

Yes, they deleted one book once. I complained that it had too many 
errors, and instead of correcting them, they refunded the money and 
deleted it. But I still have my archived dedrmed version.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#186275

On 7/27/2025 1:22 PM, John Hall wrote:
> In message <10659gp$1kcc7$5@dont-email.me>, J. P. Gilliver 
> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes
> [about Kindle]
>> I'd be interested in comments - in particular,
>> (a) is the access limited to just this PC?
> 
> No. The master version of your Kindle library lives somewhere on 
> Amazon's website. Assuming you have an account with Amazon, you can also 
> access it from another PC (I assume, though I've never tried that),

Yes, I have it on three.

> your Kindle device should you acquire one, or via the Kindle app on your 
> Android smartphone and/or tablet (should you have one).

iPhone's Kindle app is also great.

> Kindle offers a 
> sync function, so that after clicking on it you can resume reading a 
> book from the point where you left off on a different device. Obviously 
> you need to be online for that so it can download the necessary info 
> (including the book itself if you've not previously opened it on this 
> device).

Yes, you have to make sure it is set to sync this function.

> 
>> (b) can Amazon remotely delete it? (This PC is online most of the time.)
> 
> I imagine in theory they could, but I can't see why they'd want to.

Agreed.  Never had anything deleted or lost by them.  It's how Amazon 
started, selling books.

> I confess I've largely gone over to reading on Kindle nowadays, mainly 
> because I was running out of room to store any more physical books. 
> There are also some amazing bargains to be had, especially for books 
> that are out of copyright. It's also handy if I'm going away on holiday, 
> as I no longer need to put several heavy books in my luggage.

I find using the handheld device, either my Kindle or on the iPhone app, 
much easier on my hand.  For one thing you can turn the pages with the 
same hand you hold it with.  It is much lighter, too. 
Lighting\brightness and font size are whatever you set it at.  The only 
time I buy a hard copy is if it is something historical, or from a set I 
already have, or something I want to share after reading.  Some people I 
know refuse to read anything but hard copy books.  Even then, I usually 
buy both now and read it on the Kindle app and give them the book.

That said, I have given up for the most part using the actual Kindle. 
If you make notes, highlight things, or ever want to return for 
reference, the iPhone app is much easier to use for this.  But the main 
reason is many times there is a link, or something you want to look up 
while reading and though the kindle does have web access, it is 
painfully slow.  The phone app does this back and forth super quick. 
Images are also much better using the phone, too.  The image can be 
enlarged much faster and is much clearer than on the kindle.  I also 
only have to carry one device now.


-- 
Science doesn't support Darwin.  Scientists do.

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#186281

On 2025/7/27 19:22:50, John Hall wrote:
> In message <10659gp$1kcc7$5@dont-email.me>, J. P. Gilliver 
> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes
> [about Kindle]
>> I'd be interested in comments - in particular,
>> (a) is the access limited to just this PC?
> 
> No. The master version of your Kindle library lives somewhere on 
> Amazon's website. Assuming you have an account with Amazon, you can also 

I sort of gathered that. But I did establish that I can read the book
with my internet connection disconnected.
[]

>> (b) can Amazon remotely delete it? (This PC is online most of the 
>> time.)
> 
> I imagine in theory they could, but I can't see why they'd want to.

Well, Carlos says he complained about one having lots of errors in it,
and instead of fixing it, they refunded his money and deleted it.

The reason _I_ am apprehensive is that, after following a link from the
lostcousins newsletter, I have "bought" a Kindle book from Amazon for
0.00, and since it was a rather expensive book (we're talking three
figures here), I am concerned that they might "realise they have made a
mistake" and want to kill copies downloaded.>
> I confess I've largely gone over to reading on Kindle nowadays, mainly 
> because I was running out of room to store any more physical books. 

Oh, I can certainly see the attraction - there's the ability to search,
too. I just find the huge kerfuffle involved - be it Kindle or calibre -
extremely off-putting; people moan about the Adobe Acrobat Reader for
.pdf files, but that's got _nothing_ on what's needed to use Kindle files!

> There are also some amazing bargains to be had, especially for books 

Yes.

> that are out of copyright. It's also handy if I'm going away on holiday, 
> as I no longer need to put several heavy books in my luggage.
(Though presumably you either have a Kindle or take a laptop.)
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I'm not an early bird or a night owl, I'm some sort of permanently
exhausted pigeon

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#186283

On 7/27/2025 10:34 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2025/7/27 19:22:50, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <10659gp$1kcc7$5@dont-email.me>, J. P. Gilliver
>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes
>> [about Kindle]
>>> I'd be interested in comments - in particular,
>>> (a) is the access limited to just this PC?
>>
>> No. The master version of your Kindle library lives somewhere on
>> Amazon's website. Assuming you have an account with Amazon, you can also
> 
> I sort of gathered that. But I did establish that I can read the book
> with my internet connection disconnected.

Your "Library" will have two tabs.  All and Downloaded.  If you plan on 
being away from service, just make sure you download everything you need 
and you can check the downloaded tab to make sure it is done.  I'm not 
sure of the process it uses either on the windows app or the phone app 
to remove the full downloads.  I just checked my directory and it says I 
only have 7 downloaded at this time.

---snip---

>> that are out of copyright. It's also handy if I'm going away on holiday,
>> as I no longer need to put several heavy books in my luggage.
> (Though presumably you either have a Kindle or take a laptop.)

I just take the phone as usual and read from there.
BTW, it seems it uses little resources on the phone, but on both win10 
and win11 computers, the Kindle app is pretty demanding for some reason.


-- 
Science doesn't support Darwin.  Scientists do.

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#186288

In message <1066r4n$20k28$1@dont-email.me>, J. P. Gilliver 
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes
>On 2025/7/27 19:22:50, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <10659gp$1kcc7$5@dont-email.me>, J. P. Gilliver
<snip>
>
>>> (b) can Amazon remotely delete it? (This PC is online most of the
>>> time.)
>>
>> I imagine in theory they could, but I can't see why they'd want to.
>
>Well, Carlos says he complained about one having lots of errors in it,
>and instead of fixing it, they refunded his money and deleted it.
>
>The reason _I_ am apprehensive is that, after following a link from the
>lostcousins newsletter, I have "bought" a Kindle book from Amazon for
>0.00, and since it was a rather expensive book (we're talking three
>figures here),

:)

> I am concerned that they might "realise they have made a
>mistake" and want to kill copies downloaded.>

I doubt that it's a mistake. It's not that uncommon to see a Kindle 
story priced at £0.00. I think it's sometimes done with the first novel 
in a series, as a marketing ploy.

>> I confess I've largely gone over to reading on Kindle nowadays, mainly
>> because I was running out of room to store any more physical books.
>
>Oh, I can certainly see the attraction - there's the ability to search,
>too. I just find the huge kerfuffle involved - be it Kindle or calibre -
>extremely off-putting; people moan about the Adobe Acrobat Reader for
>.pdf files, but that's got _nothing_ on what's needed to use Kindle files!

I think you'll find that you soon get used to it.

>
>> There are also some amazing bargains to be had, especially for books
>
>Yes.
>
>> that are out of copyright. It's also handy if I'm going away on holiday,
>> as I no longer need to put several heavy books in my luggage.
>(Though presumably you either have a Kindle or take a laptop.)

I have a Kindle and I also take my smartphone with me. I prefer to read 
on the Kindle, though, as it has a larger screen. Taking a laptop, if I 
had one, would rather defeat the object of avoiding the weight of 
physical books. The only slight annoying is that the Kindle's USB 
charging lead has a different-shaped plug at the device end, meaning 
that I need to take two charging leads with me rather than one.
-- 
John Hall
                "I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
                 will hardly mind anything else."
                                            Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84)

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#186289

On 2025/7/28 10:4:55, John Hall wrote:
> In message <1066r4n$20k28$1@dont-email.me>, J. P. Gilliver 
> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes
>> On 2025/7/27 19:22:50, John Hall wrote:
>>> In message <10659gp$1kcc7$5@dont-email.me>, J. P. Gilliver
> <snip>
>>
>>>> (b) can Amazon remotely delete it? (This PC is online most of the
>>>> time.)
>>>
>>> I imagine in theory they could, but I can't see why they'd want to.
>>
>> Well, Carlos says he complained about one having lots of errors in it,
>> and instead of fixing it, they refunded his money and deleted it.
>>
>> The reason _I_ am apprehensive is that, after following a link from the
>> lostcousins newsletter, I have "bought" a Kindle book from Amazon for
>> 0.00, and since it was a rather expensive book (we're talking three
>> figures here),
> 
> :)
> 
>> I am concerned that they might "realise they have made a
>> mistake" and want to kill copies downloaded.>
> 
> I doubt that it's a mistake. It's not that uncommon to see a Kindle 
> story priced at £0.00. I think it's sometimes done with the first novel 
> in a series, as a marketing ploy.

Hmm. I could see that for, as you say, first novel in a series or
similar - perhaps even if it was once offered at full price, when the
series gets big enough, they might make the first one 0.00. But I can't
see The Oxford Dictionary of  Family Names in  Britain and Ireland,
which was originally I think £400 for the print version (now
unavailable) and £280 for the Kindle version, as being a "loss leader"
or "taster"!>
>>> I confess I've largely gone over to reading on Kindle nowadays, mainly
>>> because I was running out of room to store any more physical books.
>>
>> Oh, I can certainly see the attraction - there's the ability to search,
>> too. I just find the huge kerfuffle involved - be it Kindle or calibre -
>> extremely off-putting; people moan about the Adobe Acrobat Reader for
>> .pdf files, but that's got _nothing_ on what's needed to use Kindle files!
> 
> I think you'll find that you soon get used to it.
> 
At the moment, I can't see my using it for more than this one, but you
may be right.>>
>>> There are also some amazing bargains to be had, especially for books
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> that are out of copyright. It's also handy if I'm going away on holiday,
>>> as I no longer need to put several heavy books in my luggage.
>> (Though presumably you either have a Kindle or take a laptop.)
> 
> I have a Kindle and I also take my smartphone with me. I prefer to read 

Ah. I don't have a Kindle, and also am one of those people the world
increasingly thinks is a weirdo: I don't have a smartphone. (I have a
dumbphone for emergencies, and even finding a true PAYG for that was
difficult: lots of offers _claim_ to be PAYG, but when looked into, the
word "month" usually gets mentioned before too long.)

> on the Kindle, though, as it has a larger screen. Taking a laptop, if I 
> had one, would rather defeat the object of avoiding the weight of 
> physical books. The only slight annoying is that the Kindle's USB 
> charging lead has a different-shaped plug at the device end, meaning 
> that I need to take two charging leads with me rather than one.
Well, you'd still only need to take one, not several. And I rarely go
anywhere without my laptop anyway.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Everyone is entitled to an *informed* opinion." - Harlan Ellison

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#186309

In message <1067ld2$21s2h$2@dont-email.me>, J. P. Gilliver 
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes
>On 2025/7/28 10:4:55, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <1066r4n$20k28$1@dont-email.me>, J. P. Gilliver
>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes
<snip>
>>
>>> I am concerned that they might "realise they have made a
>>> mistake" and want to kill copies downloaded.>
>>
>> I doubt that it's a mistake. It's not that uncommon to see a Kindle
>> story priced at £0.00. I think it's sometimes done with the first novel
>> in a series, as a marketing ploy.
>
>Hmm. I could see that for, as you say, first novel in a series or
>similar - perhaps even if it was once offered at full price, when the
>series gets big enough, they might make the first one 0.00. But I can't
>see The Oxford Dictionary of  Family Names in  Britain and Ireland,
>which was originally I think £400 for the print version (now
>unavailable) and £280 for the Kindle version, as being a "loss leader"
>or "taster"!>

Ah, in that case it does look like an error. Incidentally dictionaries 
and encyclopaedias are where I think that traditional books can still be 
superior, as I find it easier to navigate to the entry I want by 
flicking through the pages than by doing it online.


>>>> I confess I've largely gone over to reading on Kindle nowadays, mainly
>>>> because I was running out of room to store any more physical books.
>>>
>>> Oh, I can certainly see the attraction - there's the ability to search,
>>> too. I just find the huge kerfuffle involved - be it Kindle or calibre -
>>> extremely off-putting; people moan about the Adobe Acrobat Reader for
>>> .pdf files, but that's got _nothing_ on what's needed to use Kindle files!
>>
>> I think you'll find that you soon get used to it.
>>
>At the moment, I can't see my using it for more than this one, but you
>may be right.>>
>>>> There are also some amazing bargains to be had, especially for books
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>> that are out of copyright. It's also handy if I'm going away on holiday,
>>>> as I no longer need to put several heavy books in my luggage.
>>> (Though presumably you either have a Kindle or take a laptop.)
>>
>> I have a Kindle and I also take my smartphone with me. I prefer to read
>
>Ah. I don't have a Kindle, and also am one of those people the world
>increasingly thinks is a weirdo: I don't have a smartphone. (I have a
>dumbphone for emergencies, and even finding a true PAYG for that was
>difficult: lots of offers _claim_ to be PAYG, but when looked into, the
>word "month" usually gets mentioned before too long.)

I resisted getting a mobile phone till about three years ago, when the 
increasing imposition by sites of 2FA forced me into it. I decided that 
if I was going to get a mobile phone then it might as well be a 
so-called "smart" one.

<snip>
-- 
John Hall
                "I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
                 will hardly mind anything else."
                                            Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84)

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#186312

On 2025/7/28 16:59:17, John Hall wrote:
> In message <1067ld2$21s2h$2@dont-email.me>, J. P. Gilliver 

[]

>> Hmm. I could see that for, as you say, first novel in a series or
>> similar - perhaps even if it was once offered at full price, when the
>> series gets big enough, they might make the first one 0.00. But I can't
>> see The Oxford Dictionary of  Family Names in  Britain and Ireland,
>> which was originally I think £400 for the print version (now
>> unavailable) and £280 for the Kindle version, as being a "loss leader"
>> or "taster"!>
> 
> Ah, in that case it does look like an error. Incidentally dictionaries 
> and encyclopaedias are where I think that traditional books can still be 
> superior, as I find it easier to navigate to the entry I want by 
> flicking through the pages than by doing it online.
> 
Well, if I have four hundred pounds to spare next time I find a print
copy ... (-:. [I think I might agree with you. Though _the_ dictionary
is a bit clumsy in its twentysomething volume form, or even the
miniaturised version.]
[]>> Ah. I don't have a Kindle, and also am one of those people the world
>> increasingly thinks is a weirdo: I don't have a smartphone. (I have a
>> dumbphone for emergencies, and even finding a true PAYG for that was
>> difficult: lots of offers _claim_ to be PAYG, but when looked into, the
>> word "month" usually gets mentioned before too long.)
> 
> I resisted getting a mobile phone till about three years ago, when the 
> increasing imposition by sites of 2FA forced me into it. I decided that 
> if I was going to get a mobile phone then it might as well be a 
> so-called "smart" one.
> 
> <snip>
(My "[]" is short for "[something snipped here]".) I had a requirement
to get a fobile _without_ a camera, which even among non-smart ones was
hard to find! (It's a Nokia 105, IIRR.)
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

At the age of 7, Julia Elizabeth Wells could sing notes only dogs could
hear.

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#186293

On 2025-07-28 05:34, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2025/7/27 19:22:50, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <10659gp$1kcc7$5@dont-email.me>, J. P. Gilliver
>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes
>> [about Kindle]
>>> I'd be interested in comments - in particular,
>>> (a) is the access limited to just this PC?
>>
>> No. The master version of your Kindle library lives somewhere on
>> Amazon's website. Assuming you have an account with Amazon, you can also
> 
> I sort of gathered that. But I did establish that I can read the book
> with my internet connection disconnected.
> []
> 
>>> (b) can Amazon remotely delete it? (This PC is online most of the
>>> time.)
>>
>> I imagine in theory they could, but I can't see why they'd want to.
> 
> Well, Carlos says he complained about one having lots of errors in it,
> and instead of fixing it, they refunded his money and deleted it.
> 
> The reason _I_ am apprehensive is that, after following a link from the
> lostcousins newsletter, I have "bought" a Kindle book from Amazon for
> 0.00, and since it was a rather expensive book (we're talking three
> figures here), I am concerned that they might "realise they have made a
> mistake" and want to kill copies downloaded.>

That's why you must learn to create a backup. For this DeDRM is 
necessary. Not to pirate the books (I never do that), but to make 
backups of your property.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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