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  Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-07-25 11:31 +0000
    Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update Finnigan <fionnagain@eircom.net> - 2025-07-25 11:38 +0000
      Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-07-26 15:30 -0400
        Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-07-26 16:36 -0400
          Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-07-26 19:58 -0400
            Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-07-27 15:36 -0400
        Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-07-26 23:32 -0400
    Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-07-25 10:29 -0400
      Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-26 15:29 +0100
        Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-07-26 11:09 -0400
          Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-07-27 04:18 +0200
            Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-07-27 14:31 -0400
              Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-07-28 06:16 +0200
              Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 05:55 +0100
        Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-07-26 18:59 +0100
          Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-07-26 17:46 -0400
            Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-26 23:59 +0200
            Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-07-26 17:09 -0500
        Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-07-26 23:22 -0400
          Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-27 05:00 +0100
            Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-07-27 11:36 -0400
    Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-07-26 15:24 -0400
    Re: Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-07-27 01:48 +0100

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#186240 — Starting July 24, 2025 Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update

Starting Today Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2025/07/24/starting-today-microsoft-confirms-free-windows-update/>

<https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2025/07/22/windows-11-is-the-home-for-ai-on-the-pc-with-even-more-experiences-available-today/>

"The Windows 10 Extended Security Updates (ESU) program is designed to keep
your current Windows 10 PC protected after support ends - helping you stay
secure during the transition."
<https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2025/06/24/stay-secure-with-windows-11-copilot-pcs-and-windows-365-before-support-ends-for-windows-10/>

"Starting today, individuals will begin to see an enrollment wizard through
notifications and in Settings, making it simple to select the best option
for you and enroll in ESU directly from your personal Windows 10 PC."

I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch... 
Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.

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#186241

Using <news:105vpu0$fgl$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>, Marion wrote:

> I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch... 
> Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.

https://www.ghacks.net/2025/06/25/microsoft-makes-windows-10-esu-free-for-some-users-but-there-is-a-catch/

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#186249

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 25 Jul 2025 11:38:23 -0000 (UTC),
Finnigan <fionnagain@eircom.net> wrote:

>Using <news:105vpu0$fgl$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>, Marion wrote:
>
>> I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch... 
>> Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.
>
>https://www.ghacks.net/2025/06/25/microsoft-makes-windows-10-esu-free-for-some-users-but-there-is-a-catch/

I have 300 points out of 1000 needed.  I have no idea where I got them
or how to get  more.  Seems to me the $7 of skype money I'll never be
able to use ought to be worth more than 700 points. 

And Teams is in no way a substitute for Skype. YOu can only communicate
with other people on Teams, and with Skype you could call any phone
number in the world.  I think "Teams" refers to development teams,
people paid to work on the same project.  How do they even have the
nerve to call Teams a subsitute for Skype?  

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#186250

On Jul 26, 2025, micky wrote
(in article<k0ba8kl7j9d1to5ikdem469dpi1jd2h1km@4ax.com>):

> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 25 Jul 2025 11:38:23 -0000 (UTC),
> Finnigan <fionnagain@eircom.net>  wrote:
>
> > Using<news:105vpu0$fgl$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>, Marion wrote:
> >
> > > I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch...
> > > Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.
> >
> > https://www.ghacks.net/2025/06/25/microsoft-makes-windows-10-esu-free-for-so
> > me-users-but-there-is-a-catch/
>
> I have 300 points out of 1000 needed. I have no idea where I got them
> or how to get more. Seems to me the $7 of skype money I'll never be
> able to use ought to be worth more than 700 points.
>
> And Teams is in no way a substitute for Skype. YOu can only communicate
> with other people on Teams, and with Skype you could call any phone
> number in the world. I think "Teams" refers to development teams,
> people paid to work on the same project. How do they even have the
> nerve to call Teams a subsitute for Skype?

Microsoft has ’Teams Calling Plans’. 
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/calling-plans-for-office-365

For a low-low-low fee you can connect Teams to the public telephone net, and 
call people ‘outside of your orginization’. Note that there are different 
‘Teams Calling Plans’ for local, long-distance, and internataional calls. 
I suspect that they won’t be cheap. I suspect that I will never know, as I 
will never use one of them.

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#186255

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 26 Jul 2025 16:36:01 -0400, WolfFan
<akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

>On Jul 26, 2025, micky wrote
>(in article<k0ba8kl7j9d1to5ikdem469dpi1jd2h1km@4ax.com>):
>
>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 25 Jul 2025 11:38:23 -0000 (UTC),
>> Finnigan <fionnagain@eircom.net>  wrote:
>>
>> > Using<news:105vpu0$fgl$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>, Marion wrote:
>> >
>> > > I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch...
>> > > Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.
>> >
>> > https://www.ghacks.net/2025/06/25/microsoft-makes-windows-10-esu-free-for-so
>> > me-users-but-there-is-a-catch/
>>
>> I have 300 points out of 1000 needed. I have no idea where I got them
>> or how to get more. Seems to me the $7 of skype money I'll never be
>> able to use ought to be worth more than 700 points.
>>
>> And Teams is in no way a substitute for Skype. YOu can only communicate
>> with other people on Teams, and with Skype you could call any phone
>> number in the world. I think "Teams" refers to development teams,
>> people paid to work on the same project. How do they even have the
>> nerve to call Teams a subsitute for Skype?
>
>Microsoft has ’Teams Calling Plans’. 
>https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/calling-plans-for-office-365
>
>For a low-low-low fee you can connect Teams to the public telephone net, and 
>call people ‘outside of your orginization’. Note that there are different 
>‘Teams Calling Plans’ for local, long-distance, and internataional calls. 
>I suspect that they won’t be cheap. I suspect that I will never know, as I 
>will never use one of them.

Wow.  I read the whole thing when I first learned about Teams and I
don't think it mentioned calling public phone net at all. I reinstalled
the app and was reminded that my contact list contained and still
contains 5 names, 3 of whom I've never heard of, Lionel Thomson, Sam
Finch, and Harper. 1 I knew and 1 is only initials and I'm not sure of.
Then I went to my 9 chat requests and they are all spam, since
Decemeber.  Crap about options trading.  Or gold trading.  That sounds
better, sure.   

Then I looked up transferring Skype money to Teams money and one cannot
do that.  He has to use the Skype Dialer within the Teams app. 

There is an entry for the "Skype dialer". Oops, it looks like something
went wrong. Click OK to automatically relaod Skype for web.   Over and
over.    Not looking good, but I'll try again later. . 

As to the price, for international calling, the only time I'd ever need
it since both my home and cell phoen will call all over the USA, Mexico
and Canada too,I think, is 34/month paid yearly. $408.  Not cheap.
Especially since my Verizopn landline will let me call anywhere for no
more than 20 cents a minute, and my cell Mint mobile has so far let me
make 4 or 5 international calls without ever charging me. They are not
in my plan, and only total about 25 cents, but I'm sill impressed that
they know how to do business. Don't nickel and dime customer and they'll
be your customers for life.    The country I call most often is 1 cent a
minute for landlines and 10 cents for mobile, so I won't be spending 408
dollars.  I just want to spend the $7 I already paid them.   We shall
see.  Thanks. 

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#186274

On Jul 26, 2025, micky wrote
(in article<onpa8khj1dj8vtv2v47do3r44lfh0ukg38@4ax.com>):

> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 26 Jul 2025 16:36:01 -0400, WolfFan
> <akwolffan@zoho.com>  wrote:
>
> > On Jul 26, 2025, micky wrote
> > (in article<k0ba8kl7j9d1to5ikdem469dpi1jd2h1km@4ax.com>):
> >
> > > In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 25 Jul 2025 11:38:23 -0000 (UTC),
> > > Finnigan <fionnagain@eircom.net>  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Using<news:105vpu0$fgl$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>, Marion wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch...
> > > > > Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.ghacks.net/2025/06/25/microsoft-makes-windows-10-esu-free-for-
> > > > so
> > > > me-users-but-there-is-a-catch/
> > >
> > > I have 300 points out of 1000 needed. I have no idea where I got them
> > > or how to get more. Seems to me the $7 of skype money I'll never be
> > > able to use ought to be worth more than 700 points.
> > >
> > > And Teams is in no way a substitute for Skype. YOu can only communicate
> > > with other people on Teams, and with Skype you could call any phone
> > > number in the world. I think "Teams" refers to development teams,
> > > people paid to work on the same project. How do they even have the
> > > nerve to call Teams a subsitute for Skype?
> >
> > Microsoft has ’Teams Calling Plans’.
> > https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/calling-plans-for-office-36
> > 5
> >
> > For a low-low-low fee you can connect Teams to the public telephone net, and
> > call people ‘outside of your orginization’. Note that there are
> > different
> > ‘Teams Calling Plans’ for local, long-distance, and internataional
> > calls.
> > I suspect that they won’t be cheap. I suspect that I will never know, as I
> > will never use one of them.
>
> Wow. I read the whole thing when I first learned about Teams and I
> don't think it mentioned calling public phone net at all. I reinstalled
> the app and was reminded that my contact list contained and still
> contains 5 names, 3 of whom I've never heard of, Lionel Thomson, Sam
> Finch, and Harper. 1 I knew and 1 is only initials and I'm not sure of.
> Then I went to my 9 chat requests and they are all spam, since
> Decemeber. Crap about options trading. Or gold trading. That sounds
> better, sure.
>
> Then I looked up transferring Skype money to Teams money and one cannot
> do that. He has to use the Skype Dialer within the Teams app.
>
> There is an entry for the "Skype dialer". Oops, it looks like something
> went wrong. Click OK to automatically relaod Skype for web. Over and
> over. Not looking good, but I'll try again later. .
>
> As to the price, for international calling, the only time I'd ever need
> it since both my home and cell phoen will call all over the USA, Mexico
> and Canada too,I think, is 34/month paid yearly. $408. Not cheap.
> Especially since my Verizopn landline will let me call anywhere for no
> more than 20 cents a minute, and my cell Mint mobile has so far let me
> make 4 or 5 international calls without ever charging me. They are not
> in my plan, and only total about 25 cents, but I'm sill impressed that
> they know how to do business. Don't nickel and dime customer and they'll
> be your customers for life. The country I call most often is 1 cent a
> minute for landlines and 10 cents for mobile, so I won't be spending 408
> dollars. I just want to spend the $7 I already paid them. We shall
> see. Thanks.

no prob

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#186259

micky wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 25 Jul 2025 11:38:23 -0000 (UTC),
> Finnigan <fionnagain@eircom.net> wrote:
> 
>> Using <news:105vpu0$fgl$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>, Marion wrote:
>>
>>> I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch...
>>> Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.
>>
>> https://www.ghacks.net/2025/06/25/microsoft-makes-windows-10-esu-free-for-some-users-but-there-is-a-catch/
> 
> I have 300 points out of 1000 needed.  I have no idea where I got them
> or how to get  more.  Seems to me the $7 of skype money I'll never be
> able to use ought to be worth more than 700 points.
> 
> And Teams is in no way a substitute for Skype. YOu can only communicate
> with other people on Teams, and with Skype you could call any phone
> number in the world.  I think "Teams" refers to development teams,
> people paid to work on the same project.  How do they even have the
> nerve to call Teams a subsitute for Skype?
> 

It's only been 15 years since 'Rewards' have been available.
  - initially Bing Rewards in 2010, renamed/rebranded as Microsoft 
Awards in 2016(9 years ago).
  => rewards from the former carried over to the latter.

Accumulation of 1000 points was(is) an achievable goal, though for those 
who opted to not use Bing...the $30US one year rate(even with a required 
MSFT account) may be a reasonable option for some Win10 consumer devices 
instead of 'Rewards' or OneDrive Backup.



-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#186242

On 7/25/25 7:31 AM, Marion wrote:
> Starting Today Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update
> <https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2025/07/24/starting-today-microsoft-confirms-free-windows-update/>
> 
> <https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2025/07/22/windows-11-is-the-home-for-ai-on-the-pc-with-even-more-experiences-available-today/>
> 
> "The Windows 10 Extended Security Updates (ESU) program is designed to keep
> your current Windows 10 PC protected after support ends - helping you stay
> secure during the transition."
> <https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2025/06/24/stay-secure-with-windows-11-copilot-pcs-and-windows-365-before-support-ends-for-windows-10/>
> 
> "Starting today, individuals will begin to see an enrollment wizard through
> notifications and in Settings, making it simple to select the best option
> for you and enroll in ESU directly from your personal Windows 10 PC."
> 
> I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch...
> Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.
Without digging, it seems you either give up Reward points or subscribe to Onedrive. Maybe 
even buy the larger Onedrive.

-- 
Linux Mint 22.1,  Thunderbird 128.12.0esr,  Mozilla Firefox 141.0
     Alan K.

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#186245

On 2025/7/25 15:29:21, Alan K. wrote:
> On 7/25/25 7:31 AM, Marion wrote:

[]

>> "Starting today, individuals will begin to see an enrollment wizard 
>> through
>> notifications and in Settings, making it simple to select the best option
>> for you and enroll in ESU directly from your personal Windows 10 PC."

Should that have been "the best option ... TO enrol" rather than AND? 
(It might _just about_ be grasmmatical with "and", but it would 
certainly read/flow better with "to". Unless there's a deliberate reason 
they used "and".)>>
>> I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch...
>> Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.
> Without digging, it seems you either give up Reward points or subscribe 
> to Onedrive. Maybe even buy the larger Onedrive.
> 
As with XP and 7, I have no intention of worrying about the cessation of 
"support" (I don't feel "supported" anyway). But of course unlike 
previous versions, AIUI "updates" in 10 can't be turned off, which 
implies - to me, anyway - the possibility that, maybe some years down 
the line, M$ would be able to kill off - stop working altogether - any 
10 machine still online. Thoughts? (Including can it be blocked if I'm 
right.)

-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

By the very definition of "news," we hear very little about the dominant
threats to our lives, and the most about the rarest, including terror.
"LibertyMcG" alias Brian P. McGlinchey, 2013-7-23

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#186246

On Sat, 7/26/2025 10:29 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2025/7/25 15:29:21, Alan K. wrote:
>> On 7/25/25 7:31 AM, Marion wrote:
> 
> []
> 
>>> "Starting today, individuals will begin to see an enrollment wizard through
>>> notifications and in Settings, making it simple to select the best option
>>> for you and enroll in ESU directly from your personal Windows 10 PC."
> 
> Should that have been "the best option ... TO enrol" rather than AND? (It might _just about_ be grasmmatical with "and", but it would certainly read/flow better with "to". Unless there's a deliberate reason they used "and".)>>
>>> I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch...
>>> Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.
>> Without digging, it seems you either give up Reward points or subscribe to Onedrive. Maybe even buy the larger Onedrive.
>>
> As with XP and 7, I have no intention of worrying about the cessation of "support" (I don't feel "supported" anyway). But of course unlike previous versions, AIUI "updates" in 10 can't be turned off, which implies - to me, anyway - the possibility that, maybe some years down the line, M$ would be able to kill off - stop working altogether - any 10 machine still online. Thoughts? (Including can it be blocked if I'm right.)
> 

There are any number of natural calamities that could affect the OS.
It will age out due to some "accident" rather than to a malicious
feature delivered via Windows Update. Maybe the year 2038 bug.

But practically speaking, the files on the machine, some have signing,
and the signing is unlikely to last exactly forever. I think WinXP had
some signed things in it, and that hasn't broken that way yet.

I had one installer DVD, which had short signing of a critical file,
and the installer DVD would no longer boot (after maybe six months or so).

There will be no up-to-date browsers for Windows 10, and that should
cause the population of Windows 10 machines to drop.

But the Departures sign at the airport, it'll continue to run :-)

   Paul

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#186257

On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 11:09:31 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
wrote:

>There will be no up-to-date browsers for Windows 10, and that should
>cause the population of Windows 10 machines to drop.

I have already been warned that Zoom will no longer be supporting
32-bit Windows from December 2025. 


-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#186271

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 27 Jul 2025 04:18:54 +0200, Steve
Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 11:09:31 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>There will be no up-to-date browsers for Windows 10, and that should
>>cause the population of Windows 10 machines to drop.
>
>I have already been warned that Zoom will no longer be supporting
>32-bit Windows from December 2025. 

But doesn't that just mean if it breaks they won't fix it, or if you
complain they won't talk to you, not that it won't work. 

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#186284

On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 14:31:43 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

>In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 27 Jul 2025 04:18:54 +0200, Steve
>Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 11:09:31 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>There will be no up-to-date browsers for Windows 10, and that should
>>>cause the population of Windows 10 machines to drop.
>>
>>I have already been warned that Zoom will no longer be supporting
>>32-bit Windows from December 2025. 
>
>But doesn't that just mean if it breaks they won't fix it, or if you
>complain they won't talk to you, not that it won't work. 

It could mean either. 

I'm not quite sure how Zoom works, but I think it uses their servers,
and, if so, it probably means it won't work. 


-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#186286

On 2025/7/27 19:31:43, micky wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 27 Jul 2025 04:18:54 +0200, Steve
> Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 11:09:31 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There will be no up-to-date browsers for Windows 10, and that should
>>> cause the population of Windows 10 machines to drop.
>>
>> I have already been warned that Zoom will no longer be supporting
>> 32-bit Windows from December 2025. 
> 
> But doesn't that just mean if it breaks they won't fix it, or if you
> complain they won't talk to you, not that it won't work. 

That's what "end of support" used to mean; unfortunately, for things
like Zoom, they involve a server, which may _actively_ not accept
connections from the older versions of the client software that is the
latest that will run under W10, or on 32-bit systems, or similar.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Everyone learns from science. It all depends how you use the knowledge.
- "Gil Grissom" (CSI).

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#186247

J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2025/7/25 15:29:21, Alan K. wrote:
>> On 7/25/25 7:31 AM, Marion wrote:
> 
> []
> 
>>> "Starting today, individuals will begin to see an enrollment wizard 
>>> through
>>> notifications and in Settings, making it simple to select the best 
>>> option
>>> for you and enroll in ESU directly from your personal Windows 10 PC."
> 
> Should that have been "the best option ... TO enrol" rather than AND? 
> (It might _just about_ be grasmmatical with "and", but it would 
> certainly read/flow better with "to". Unless there's a deliberate reason 
> they used "and".)>>
>>> I only skimmed it but there seems to be a catch...
>>> Maybe others know more about this... and can elucidate the rest of us.
>> Without digging, it seems you either give up Reward points or 
>> subscribe to Onedrive. Maybe even buy the larger Onedrive.
>>
> As with XP and 7, I have no intention of worrying about the cessation of 
> "support" (I don't feel "supported" anyway). But of course unlike 
> previous versions, AIUI "updates" in 10 can't be turned off, which 
> implies - to me, anyway - the possibility that, maybe some years down 
> the line, M$ would be able to kill off - stop working altogether - any 
> 10 machine still online. Thoughts? (Including can it be blocked if I'm 
> right.)
> 

Keep good system images of all Win10 installations from October of this 
year onwards.
The extremely large number of people who can't afford to buy new 
hardware (which will include hospitals and social welfare, amidst the 
millions of private individuals) will attract criminals to repeat the 
ransomware cyber attacks of last year.
I'm hoping that MS will soon realise this, not want the blame laying on 
their heads, and do a full u-turn.
I could happen. Watch this space.

Ed

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#186252

On Sat, 7/26/2025 1:59 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:

> I'm hoping that MS will soon realise this, not want the blame laying on their heads, and do a full u-turn.
> I could happen. Watch this space.
> 
> Ed

I hear they're working on a Talky Toaster project.

It will Recall what previous slices of toast looked like.

   Paul

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#186253

On 2025-07-26 23:46, Paul wrote:
> On Sat, 7/26/2025 1:59 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
> 
>> I'm hoping that MS will soon realise this, not want the blame laying on their heads, and do a full u-turn.
>> I could happen. Watch this space.
>>
>> Ed
> 
> I hear they're working on a Talky Toaster project.
> 
> It will Recall what previous slices of toast looked like.

They need to look at the slice of bread with a camera, and then punch 
it, measuring crunchiness and humidity :-D

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#186254

Paul wrote on 7/26/2025 4:46 PM:
> On Sat, 7/26/2025 1:59 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
> 
>> I'm hoping that MS will soon realise this, not want the blame laying on their heads, and do a full u-turn.
>> I could happen. Watch this space.
>>
>> Ed
> 
> I hear they're working on a Talky Toaster project.
> 
> It will Recall what previous slices of toast looked like.
> 
>     Paul
> 
And, if you have a microsoft account, It is capable of burning select 
patterns on your toast.   Like images of jesus (or donald trump).

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#186258

J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> As with XP and 7, I have no intention of worrying about the cessation of 
> "support" (I don't feel "supported" anyway). But of course unlike 
> previous versions, AIUI "updates" in 10 can't be turned off, which 
> implies - to me, anyway - the possibility that, maybe some years down 
> the line, M$ would be able to kill off - stop working altogether - any 
> 10 machine still online. Thoughts? (Including can it be blocked if I'm 
> right.)

Keep in mind, ESU for corporate Win10 is available for 3 yrs(2025, 2026, 
2027 purchase, support ending in Oct 2028). ESU for consumer editions 
last 1 yr(2025, support ending in 2026)

Thus, any direction towards 'stop working' is quite a bit down the road 
even for consumer.


-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#186260

On 2025/7/27 4:22:5, ...winston wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> As with XP and 7, I have no intention of worrying about the cessation of 
>> "support" (I don't feel "supported" anyway). But of course unlike 
>> previous versions, AIUI "updates" in 10 can't be turned off, which 
>> implies - to me, anyway - the possibility that, maybe some years down 
>> the line, M$ would be able to kill off - stop working altogether - any 
>> 10 machine still online. Thoughts? (Including can it be blocked if I'm 
>> right.)
> 
> Keep in mind, ESU for corporate Win10 is available for 3 yrs(2025, 2026, 
> 2027 purchase, support ending in Oct 2028). ESU for consumer editions 
> last 1 yr(2025, support ending in 2026)
> 
> Thus, any direction towards 'stop working' is quite a bit down the road 
> even for consumer.
> 
> 
That doesn't reassure me at all: surely, if they are planning any
"kill", it'd be "kill only those who haven't paid the exorbitant ESU fees".
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely
rearranging their prejudices." - William James

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