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Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs

From -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Newsgroups alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs
Date 2025-01-16 16:05 -0500
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On 1/16/25 12:10 PM, Paul wrote:
> On Thu, 1/16/2025 6:22 AM, -hh wrote:
> 
>>
>> Of course.  Overall, a challenge with the DIY topic is 
>> differences in motivation:  is the DIY because money's tight? 
>> Or is the motivation because tinkering with hardware is an 
>> entertaining hobby/pastime?
>> Both motivations can & do exist, and can get conflated in discussions.
> 
> The motivation, is we don't want to buy shit.

One does that by not buying junk brands, which has nothing to do with if 
one is components or complete systems.

> Do I want a Dell with a four phase VCore, when
> I can have a twenty four phase VCore on an
> expensive motherboard ?
> 
> Do I want a 230W power supply on a Dell, when
> I can pick up an 850W power supply at Best Buy ?
> Now, I can plug in an RTX4090 when I want to.
> On the Dell, that's... impossible (even if you
> went out and bought the 850W supply, it probably
> would not fit in the small Dell case, neither would
> the Dell cooling system be adequate for the thermal
> load and there wouldn't even be a mounting location
> for a fan to be added).

That's a criticism of Dell, not of all PC system manufacturers.


> When you do a build, you control everything, and
> no screwing around or taking shortcuts.

Doing all of in in-house is taking the "longcut", plus you've 
effectively adopted all possible repair & warranty headaches too. When 
the costs are significant, its not a trade-off to casually commit to.


> Let's take an example, Mr.LaptopMan. 

Okay, Mr Logical_Fallacy_Man, because noting that the marketplace 
reality is that 80% buy laptops now isn't an endorsement of that fact 
that should get you upset and slinging lame Ad Hominems.

> Take the lady
> in the computer store the other day, a salesman
> explaining to her that "the laptop with the 4070
> is faster than the laptop with the 4060" for gaming.
> Well, what the salesman didn't tell the gaming lady,
> is that the owner will beat the piss out of the laptop
> and it will be knackered after only four years. While you
> are having a gaming experience, it won't last.
> 
> Whereas, with a desktop, if I wear the keycaps off my
> keyboard playing Tetris, I just swap keyboards, takes
> about ten seconds. If the video cards burns the
> connector off, chuck it on the table, pop in another.

When the customer wants a laptop, offering a desktop solution is 
inappropriate & will be disregarded.

Consider a guy going into a dealership to buy a sports car to race on 
the track on weekends:  a you really going to try to tell him that his 
needs are all wrong and he should buy a big old truck instead because it 
can haul more manure?


> And if I want four NVMe storage, I can pop in a board
> with four sleds on it, and boom, done.

Or buy one of these for a laptop...boom:


OWC Express 4M2 - Four-Slot Thunderbolt (40Gb/s) NVMe M.2 SSD Enclosure 
for NVMe M.2 2280 SSDs

<https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/express-4m2>

OWC Express 4M2 - Four-Slot Thunderbolt (40Gb/s) NVMe M.2 SSD Enclosure 
for NVMe M.2 2280 SSDs

> With this, I could install twenty four NVMe on six cards.
> 
> "Asus Pro WS W790E-SAGE SE"
> 
>     https://dlcdnwebimgs.asus.com/gain/f8c9b3f4-1a07-4645-aa79-594c48bd4090/w692
> 
> (Note desktop I/O style on the left)
> 
>     https://dlcdnwebimgs.asus.com/files/media/35d86ad4-c99a-49d7-b8bb-09601ad49164/images/swiper_left.png

Sure, but that's just a niche of a niche.  And since Thunderbolt can 
daisy-chain a half dozen devices per port, 6x4 = 24 NMVE's too.

Now to escape from niche corner cases, contemplate how many TB of SSD 
storage users actually have, applying the Parato Principle to determine 
what the ~80% max capability required use case solution is.  YMMV, but I 
doubt its more than 4TB.

> You're in control of the build. If something breaks,
> you're in control of the repair too. No returning a unit
> three times, hearing "no fault found", haranguing tech
> support for a replacement machine and so on. Think of
> the hair loss saved.

You very well may have little to no choice other than to try to fix it 
yourself.  What shops will even touch a DIY build these days?

FWIW, I had a conversation with a shop owner two weeks ago on servicing 
some old sports gear I have and his response was that he's discontinued 
it because the revenue's no longer worth the liability exposure risk.


> I don't want to use anyones "warranty service".

You may not have much choice in the matter anymore.

YMMV, but I recognize that there's value in having the option of DIYing 
themselves, or delegating the headache to someone else to service.


-hh

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            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-15 13:51 +0100
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            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-15 17:02 +0000
              Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-16 05:40 +0000
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-16 06:27 -0500
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-27 22:49 +0000
            Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 14:32 -0500
              Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-15 15:52 -0500
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-15 20:34 -0500
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 00:41 -0600
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-16 06:42 -0500
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 14:40 -0600
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-16 16:34 -0500
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 16:56 -0600
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-16 22:40 -0500
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 02:04 -0600
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-17 07:34 -0600
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs roger <rduffy@hotmail.com.invalid - 2025-01-17 14:01 -0600
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-17 15:57 -0500
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 16:50 -0600
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-17 21:52 -0500
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-16 21:38 +0000
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 15:44 -0600
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 15:51 -0600
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 16:11 -0600
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-01-17 13:03 +0000
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 16:00 -0600
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-17 23:15 +0000
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 18:10 -0600
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 18:13 -0600
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-16 06:22 -0500
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 12:10 -0500
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-16 12:28 -0600
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-17 00:27 +0000
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 23:47 -0500
                Gaming Laptops (was: Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-01 12:58 +0000
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                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-01-16 18:45 +0000
                Re: Microsoft to force new Outlook on Windows 10 PCs -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-16 16:05 -0500
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