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Re: Creating new files of indeterminate sort?

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J.P. ,

>> https://superuser.com/questions/1632295/creating-a-file-with-no-extension-with-right-click-on-windows-10
>>
>> The whole "trick" seems to be to press ctrl-A to select the whole 
>> filename.
>
> That method - running the file through a text editor so you can use
> quote marks when saving

Thats not what I tried to suggest.

You mentioned that, when creating a new document, you could edits the 
filename itself, but not the extension.  At that moment try pressing ctrl-A 
and see if that results in the extension also getting selected for editing.

... but reading on I think I made an assumption which has made a fool outof 
me :

> The better method is to ensure "show extensions [even] for known 
> filetypes"
> is selected, then you can edit including the extensions without running 
> the
> files through anything.

I /assumed/ that you saw, after creating a new document, something like 
"[filename].ext", with only the part beween the "[" and "]" being editable. 
Which, from my POV, didn't seem too strange, as most people will want to 
keep the extension when changing the filename.

The ctrl-a "trick" was, I assumed, to change the above into "[filename.ext]" 
(making the full filename editable).

But yes, its quite possible that me having changed the OS configuration when 
I installed it to always show extensions just /might/ have something to do 
with me always seeing and being able to edit the full filename. <whistle>

> That should have been the default for that option for decades, ever
> since black hats started to use double extensions to hide malware.

I do not agree with you there.

Most users are just that, *users*.  They know which icon they need to click 
on their desktop, but often no more than that.   They really need to be 
protected against their own absense of knowledge (the same reason for why 
certain OS related files are hidden).  Making sure that they can change a 
filename but not inadvertedly throw the extension away (after which the icon 
changes and they cannot find the file back and/or double-click it to open 
it) is one of those protections.

Remember all those stories about users which tried to "clean up" their 
'puters by throwing all files away they did not recognise - and than 
complained that their 'puter would not start anymore ?  Yeah
that happens when you "clean up" the OS folder that way.  :-)

But for "power"-users ?   Certainly.  But they are knowledgable enough to 
disable such hand-holding protections in the configuration just after having 
installed the OS.   As yours truly has done, and absolutily forgotten about. 
:-|

As for the "black hat" example you've given ?   AFAIK the OS tries to warn 
you with a popup when you try to start downloaded executables.  What does 
the run-of-the-mill user ?   Figure out which choice makes the popup go away 
and than blindly apply it, without even reading what it tries to tell them 
(yeah, I have been shoulder-surfing a number of such users, just to figure 
out what went "wrong" on their machine - a popup comes up and within half a 
second its been clicked away). :-\

As such I expect one of the future Windows versions to have a default 
configuration that prohibits the user from running any executable (of any 
kind) that has somehow been copied into it (downloaded, thumbdrive, etc).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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    Re: Creating new files of indeterminate sort? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 16:46 +0100
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        Re: Creating new files of indeterminate sort? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 19:10 +0100
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                Re: Creating new files of indeterminate sort? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-29 18:46 +0100
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                Re: Creating new files of indeterminate sort? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-29 22:38 +0100
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                Re: Creating new files of indeterminate sort? "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-07-29 10:15 +0200
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                Re: Creating new files of indeterminate sort? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-07-30 10:02 -0400
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