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| Started by | Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> |
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| First post | 2022-02-20 16:33 +0000 |
| Last post | 2022-02-22 10:30 -0500 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 166 — 25 participants |
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If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-20 16:33 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-02-20 16:38 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-20 16:58 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-20 12:09 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> - 2022-02-20 13:05 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-20 20:37 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> - 2022-02-20 21:38 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-21 04:16 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-21 04:38 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-21 08:05 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-21 08:38 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-21 08:55 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2022-02-21 09:27 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-21 11:32 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-21 13:25 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-21 15:16 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-22 02:30 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-22 10:29 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-28 05:44 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-21 15:14 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> - 2022-02-21 21:16 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-22 05:27 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-22 10:09 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-22 12:43 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-22 13:37 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-22 15:01 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> - 2022-02-22 16:44 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-22 19:36 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> - 2022-02-22 21:14 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-23 07:58 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-23 09:01 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-23 09:27 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@R04.CH> - 2022-02-23 03:26 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-22 02:30 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-22 10:22 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-22 12:43 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-21 15:11 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-21 15:23 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-22 05:32 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2022-02-22 09:37 -0600
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-22 11:12 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> - 2022-02-21 21:14 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-22 05:44 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-22 10:15 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-22 12:43 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-22 13:39 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-22 15:01 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> - 2022-02-22 16:31 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-22 19:36 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> - 2022-02-22 21:05 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-23 07:58 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-23 08:53 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-21 08:38 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-21 15:20 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> - 2022-02-21 21:17 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-22 05:56 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-22 10:18 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-22 02:30 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-22 10:25 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-22 12:43 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-22 13:53 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-22 15:01 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> - 2022-02-22 16:31 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-08-13 19:47 +0100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-08-13 15:08 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-08-13 22:25 +0100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-08-13 18:07 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-08-14 04:32 +0100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-08-14 06:41 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-08-14 14:50 +0100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-08-14 10:25 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-08-14 16:08 +0100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-08-14 12:45 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Sail Fisherman <sailfisherman@sailfisherman.com> - 2022-08-15 02:07 +0900
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-08-14 12:05 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-14 10:30 -0600
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-08-14 12:39 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? "Rick" <rick@nospam.com> - 2022-08-14 10:26 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-08-14 11:04 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-08-14 16:28 +0100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2022-08-14 17:31 +0200
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-08-14 12:05 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-08-14 11:47 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-08-14 17:22 +0100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-08-14 13:01 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-08-14 18:26 +0100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> - 2022-08-14 13:31 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Arlen Holder <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-08-14 22:15 +0100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2022-08-15 15:07 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-08-15 13:09 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-08-15 17:14 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2022-08-16 18:59 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2022-08-16 18:57 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-15 11:14 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-08-15 13:18 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-08-15 13:34 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-16 17:04 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-08-14 16:19 +0100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Arlen Holder <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-08-14 22:16 +0100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? "Rick" <rick@nospam.com> - 2022-08-17 11:41 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-08-14 12:05 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-08-14 17:49 +0100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@R04.CH> - 2022-08-14 10:31 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-08-14 12:05 -0400
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2022-08-14 11:09 -0600
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2022-02-21 09:23 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-21 11:12 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-21 11:32 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-21 15:26 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> - 2022-02-21 21:19 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-20 20:54 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-20 16:06 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-02-21 00:28 +0100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> - 2022-02-20 21:57 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-21 04:46 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-21 08:08 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-02-21 07:41 +0100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-21 08:34 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> - 2022-02-22 05:18 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-02-22 07:37 +0100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-22 08:32 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-22 09:43 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2022-02-23 09:53 +1300
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> - 2022-02-23 17:10 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-02-24 05:39 +1100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-02-26 11:19 +0100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> - 2022-02-26 16:34 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-26 11:45 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-27 16:03 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? "Jacob Jones" <jkj33@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 07:10 +1100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-26 16:09 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2022-02-27 10:25 +1300
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-27 10:22 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-28 15:28 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2022-02-23 09:04 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@R04.CH> - 2022-02-23 03:24 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> - 2022-02-23 17:05 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-02-24 05:34 +1100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-02-23 19:25 +0100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@R04.CH> - 2022-02-23 16:06 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? allen <allen@spam.com> - 2022-02-23 15:22 -0800
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2022-02-24 10:42 +1300
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> - 2022-02-23 16:59 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@R04.CH> - 2022-02-23 12:13 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> - 2022-02-23 17:39 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-23 21:58 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-02-24 07:19 +0100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-24 01:33 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-24 17:04 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2022-02-24 12:40 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-02-21 07:46 +0100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> - 2022-02-20 21:47 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-02-21 07:43 +0100
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-21 21:39 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-21 04:19 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> - 2022-02-20 13:01 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-20 20:44 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> - 2022-02-20 21:42 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-21 04:54 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-21 08:09 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-21 21:34 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> - 2022-02-21 21:27 -0500
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-02-22 08:02 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-02-22 08:42 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-02-22 09:14 +0000
Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too? rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> - 2022-02-22 10:30 -0500
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| From | allen <allen@spam.com> |
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| Date | 2022-02-23 15:22 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <sv6fkb$1e3vj$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #1357 |
rabidR04CH <rabid@R04.CH> said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10542261/British-hostage-seen-handcuffed-Amsterdam-Apple-store-captor-demanded-200million-ransom.html That is what happens when you don't identify yourself to Apple at all times! https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/22/hostage-apple-store-amsterdam/ Frickin frackin sprickle finking.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2022-02-24 10:42 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <sv69nf$iu7$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #1347 |
On 2022-02-23 08:24:42 +0000, rabidR04CH said: > On 2022-02-23 9:04 a.m., Mayayana wrote: >> "Peter" <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote >> >> | If people are changing their IP address to hide from Microsoft or Apple >> then >> | they /deserve/ to have their computers shut down by Microsoft and Apple. >> | >> | Why are they hiding? >> | It's almost always to do bad things. >> | >> >> Where do you get that? They could be hiding from their >> own dictatorial government. Or it might be me just using >> a different computer in a different location. Or they might >> be using a VPN for better privacy protection from the >> likes of Apple and Microsoft. Or maybe they're Ukrainian >> resistance fighters. Not everyone lives in the USA, in >> their parents' basement... Simply put, it's none of their >> damn business who you are or where you're logging in from. >> >> There's a famous video from Eric Schmidt using your logic: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6e7wfDHzew >> >> He says that if you have something to hide you probably >> shouldn't be doing it. Schmidt not only leaves out much >> of the world living under oppression, as well as abused >> women and anyone planning a surprise party or simply wanting >> privacy. He also leaves out himself. I read that he got a NYC >> condo with no doorman so that reporters wouldn't be informed >> of his promiscuous lifestyle. > > I like the way you think and agree. Users of an operating should have > the right to use it from wherever, whenever and feel free to connect to > a VPN which, at the very least, encrypts the data so that the ISP > itself cannot monitor them to the advantage of an oppressive government. It's nonsense. If it's an "oppressive governments" which is restricting which websites their population can access, then that will purposely include using VPN services as well. :-\
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| From | Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2022-02-23 16:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sv5p5a$lrm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1345 |
Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote: >| If people are changing their IP address to hide from Microsoft or Apple > then >| they /deserve/ to have their computers shut down by Microsoft and Apple. >| >| Why are they hiding? >| It's almost always to do bad things. >| > > Where do you get that? They could be hiding from their > own dictatorial government. Apple is preventing these criminals from harming the government by disabling their accounts so it can't happen that they will try to harm the government. > Or it might be me just using > a different computer in a different location. Don't do that. It's what criminals do. > Or they might > be using a VPN for better privacy protection from the > likes of Apple and Microsoft. Which is why Apple and Microsoft SHOULD disable their devices. What criminal actions are they hiding? > Or maybe they're Ukrainian > resistance fighters. Not everyone lives in the USA, in > their parents' basement... Simply put, it's none of their > damn business who you are or where you're logging in from. Apple does disable devices where Apple suspects criminal activity. Don't act like a criminal and Apple won't disable your devices. > > There's a famous video from Eric Schmidt using your logic: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6e7wfDHzew > > He says that if you have something to hide you probably > shouldn't be doing it. Schmidt not only leaves out much > of the world living under oppression, as well as abused > women and anyone planning a surprise party or simply wanting > privacy. He also leaves out himself. I read that he got a NYC > condo with no doorman so that reporters wouldn't be informed > of his promiscuous lifestyle. Why can't these people fully identify themselves to Apple? Maybe face id? Once Apple is satisfied they are not criminals Apple can then unlock their device if they bring it into an Apple store to show their government ID. >| Microsoft & Apple would be right to disable their operating systems on > them. > > I think the question here is about authority. If I want > a tech company to block me with 2FA and matching IP, > they can provide that service. When they start imposing > it as a restriction that's way out of line. There should > just be a box for people like you to check that says, "Yes, > pllease be my mother because I can't manage my own life." Apple's role is to protect us from those criminals. If they don't have government ID to show Apple, then they don't deserve to even be in the USA let alone operate a powerful Apple computing device. You have to ask why are they hiding their identity from Apple. Apple has the right to protect its devices from criminals by disabling them.
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| From | rabidR04CH <rabid@R04.CH> |
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| Date | 2022-02-23 12:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <jXtRJ.73207$iK66.3667@fx46.iad> |
| In reply to | #1349 |
On 2022-02-23 11:59 a.m., Peter wrote: > Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote: > >> | If people are changing their IP address to hide from Microsoft or Apple >> then >> | they /deserve/ to have their computers shut down by Microsoft and Apple. >> | >> | Why are they hiding? >> | It's almost always to do bad things. >> | >> >> Where do you get that? They could be hiding from their >> own dictatorial government. > > Apple is preventing these criminals from harming the government by disabling > their accounts so it can't happen that they will try to harm the government. > >> Or it might be me just using >> a different computer in a different location. > > Don't do that. It's what criminals do. > >> Or they might >> be using a VPN for better privacy protection from the >> likes of Apple and Microsoft. > > Which is why Apple and Microsoft SHOULD disable their devices. > What criminal actions are they hiding? > >> Or maybe they're Ukrainian >> resistance fighters. Not everyone lives in the USA, in >> their parents' basement... Simply put, it's none of their >> damn business who you are or where you're logging in from. > > Apple does disable devices where Apple suspects criminal activity. > Don't act like a criminal and Apple won't disable your devices. > >> >> There's a famous video from Eric Schmidt using your logic: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6e7wfDHzew >> >> He says that if you have something to hide you probably >> shouldn't be doing it. Schmidt not only leaves out much >> of the world living under oppression, as well as abused >> women and anyone planning a surprise party or simply wanting >> privacy. He also leaves out himself. I read that he got a NYC >> condo with no doorman so that reporters wouldn't be informed >> of his promiscuous lifestyle. > > Why can't these people fully identify themselves to Apple? > Maybe face id? > > Once Apple is satisfied they are not criminals Apple can then unlock their > device if they bring it into an Apple store to show their government ID. > >> | Microsoft & Apple would be right to disable their operating systems on >> them. >> >> I think the question here is about authority. If I want >> a tech company to block me with 2FA and matching IP, >> they can provide that service. When they start imposing >> it as a restriction that's way out of line. There should >> just be a box for people like you to check that says, "Yes, >> pllease be my mother because I can't manage my own life." > > Apple's role is to protect us from those criminals. > > If they don't have government ID to show Apple, then they don't deserve to > even be in the USA let alone operate a powerful Apple computing device. > > You have to ask why are they hiding their identity from Apple. > Apple has the right to protect its devices from criminals by disabling them. I don't think I've ever read a more sarcastic post on Usenet. -- rabidR04CH "But Peter and the apostles answered, 'We must obey God rather than men.'" - Acts 5:29 For fans of message boards, I invite you: https://retalk.com/invite/rabidR04CH
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| From | Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2022-02-23 17:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sv5rhc$a0v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1352 |
rabidR04CH <rabid@R04.CH> wrote: > On 2022-02-23 11:59 a.m., Peter wrote: >> Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote: >> >>> | If people are changing their IP address to hide from Microsoft or Apple >>> then >>> | they /deserve/ to have their computers shut down by Microsoft and Apple. >>> | >>> | Why are they hiding? >>> | It's almost always to do bad things. >>> | >>> >>> Where do you get that? They could be hiding from their >>> own dictatorial government. >> >> Apple is preventing these criminals from harming the government by disabling >> their accounts so it can't happen that they will try to harm the government. >> >>> Or it might be me just using >>> a different computer in a different location. >> >> Don't do that. It's what criminals do. >> >>> Or they might >>> be using a VPN for better privacy protection from the >>> likes of Apple and Microsoft. >> >> Which is why Apple and Microsoft SHOULD disable their devices. >> What criminal actions are they hiding? >> >>> Or maybe they're Ukrainian >>> resistance fighters. Not everyone lives in the USA, in >>> their parents' basement... Simply put, it's none of their >>> damn business who you are or where you're logging in from. >> >> Apple does disable devices where Apple suspects criminal activity. >> Don't act like a criminal and Apple won't disable your devices. >> >>> >>> There's a famous video from Eric Schmidt using your logic: >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6e7wfDHzew >>> >>> He says that if you have something to hide you probably >>> shouldn't be doing it. Schmidt not only leaves out much >>> of the world living under oppression, as well as abused >>> women and anyone planning a surprise party or simply wanting >>> privacy. He also leaves out himself. I read that he got a NYC >>> condo with no doorman so that reporters wouldn't be informed >>> of his promiscuous lifestyle. >> >> Why can't these people fully identify themselves to Apple? >> Maybe face id? >> >> Once Apple is satisfied they are not criminals Apple can then unlock their >> device if they bring it into an Apple store to show their government ID. >> >>> | Microsoft & Apple would be right to disable their operating systems on >>> them. >>> >>> I think the question here is about authority. If I want >>> a tech company to block me with 2FA and matching IP, >>> they can provide that service. When they start imposing >>> it as a restriction that's way out of line. There should >>> just be a box for people like you to check that says, "Yes, >>> pllease be my mother because I can't manage my own life." >> >> Apple's role is to protect us from those criminals. >> >> If they don't have government ID to show Apple, then they don't deserve to >> even be in the USA let alone operate a powerful Apple computing device. >> >> You have to ask why are they hiding their identity from Apple. >> Apple has the right to protect its devices from criminals by disabling them. > > I don't think I've ever read a more sarcastic post on Usenet. It's not sarcastic. It's real. It happens all the time at the Apple Stores. Apple remotely disabled their device because Apple suspected criminal activity at home. All they have to do to get their device undisabled is they bring that Apple device into any convenient local Apple store and prove to Apple they aren't using that disabled Apple device for criminal activity. Apple employees will undisable their device if they show they are the rightful owners, with receipts, and if they provide Apple their government issued identification to Apple employees to confirm their identity to Apple. Then Apple WILL remove the disabling lock on their Apple device. It may sound like sarcasm to you but that is real Apple policy. Look it up.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-02-23 21:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <230220222158125241%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #1353 |
In article <sv5rhc$a0v$1@dont-email.me>, Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote: > >>> > >>> I think the question here is about authority. If I want > >>> a tech company to block me with 2FA and matching IP, > >>> they can provide that service. When they start imposing > >>> it as a restriction that's way out of line. There should > >>> just be a box for people like you to check that says, "Yes, > >>> pllease be my mother because I can't manage my own life." > >> > >> Apple's role is to protect us from those criminals. > >> > >> If they don't have government ID to show Apple, then they don't deserve to > >> even be in the USA let alone operate a powerful Apple computing device. > >> > >> You have to ask why are they hiding their identity from Apple. > >> Apple has the right to protect its devices from criminals by disabling > >> them. > > > > I don't think I've ever read a more sarcastic post on Usenet. > > It's not sarcastic. It's real. It happens all the time at the Apple Stores. it's not real and it doesn't 'happen all the time'. > Apple remotely disabled their device because Apple suspected criminal > activity at home. no they didn't. apple has no way to do that, even if they were aware of criminal activity, which they aren't. plenty of iphones and macs are used for criminal activity, as are android phones, windows and even linux. the only way an iphone or ipad can be disabled is after 10 incorrect passcode guesses or if the legitimate owner puts it into lost mode. android is similar. a criminal who stole a phone might encounter that, but if they're calling/texting their buddies for their next hit, using their own phones, everything will work as expected.
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| From | Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> |
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| Date | 2022-02-24 07:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sv781i$hdj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1360 |
Am 24.02.22 um 03:58 schrieb nospam: > In article <sv5rhc$a0v$1@dont-email.me>, Peter > <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote: > >>>>> >>>>> I think the question here is about authority. If I want >>>>> a tech company to block me with 2FA and matching IP, >>>>> they can provide that service. When they start imposing >>>>> it as a restriction that's way out of line. There should >>>>> just be a box for people like you to check that says, "Yes, >>>>> pllease be my mother because I can't manage my own life." >>>> >>>> Apple's role is to protect us from those criminals. >>>> >>>> If they don't have government ID to show Apple, then they don't deserve to >>>> even be in the USA let alone operate a powerful Apple computing device. >>>> >>>> You have to ask why are they hiding their identity from Apple. >>>> Apple has the right to protect its devices from criminals by disabling >>>> them. >>> >>> I don't think I've ever read a more sarcastic post on Usenet. >> >> It's not sarcastic. It's real. It happens all the time at the Apple Stores. > > it's not real and it doesn't 'happen all the time'. Let's call what this thread is: Fake news. -- De gustibus non est disputandum
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-02-24 01:33 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <240220220133149389%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #1361 |
In article <sv781i$hdj$1@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote: > >>>>> I think the question here is about authority. If I want > >>>>> a tech company to block me with 2FA and matching IP, > >>>>> they can provide that service. When they start imposing > >>>>> it as a restriction that's way out of line. There should > >>>>> just be a box for people like you to check that says, "Yes, > >>>>> pllease be my mother because I can't manage my own life." > >>>> > >>>> Apple's role is to protect us from those criminals. > >>>> > >>>> If they don't have government ID to show Apple, then they don't deserve > >>>> to > >>>> even be in the USA let alone operate a powerful Apple computing device. > >>>> > >>>> You have to ask why are they hiding their identity from Apple. > >>>> Apple has the right to protect its devices from criminals by disabling > >>>> them. > >>> > >>> I don't think I've ever read a more sarcastic post on Usenet. > >> > >> It's not sarcastic. It's real. It happens all the time at the Apple Stores. > > > > it's not real and it doesn't 'happen all the time'. > > Let's call what this thread is: Fake news. a much better term would be trolling.
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| From | Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2022-02-24 17:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sv8ds2$ukv$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #1362 |
nospam wrote: >> Let's call what this thread is: Fake news. > > a much better term would be trolling. QUESTION: *Given Apple can (and does) lock you out - will Microsoft do it too?* I am extremely well educated, and as a result, I provided _proof_ of everything that I claimed, and, the question is perfectly valid indeed. The _adults_ looked at the facts I provided and all agreed what they show. It's a fact that I tested myself and I provided proof of the results. Hence the question is valid given Microsoft is following Apple's plan. Nonetheless, I've stepped out of this "conversation" because once the iKooks infest any thread, they destroy any and all intelligent conversation. The iKooks _hate_ facts about Apple so they call these facts, trolls. And yet, they're very real indeed. FACTS: a. Apple can unilaterally lock you out of your system when they feel like it b. Apple can even unilaterally disable your system when they feel like it c. Apple _does_ unilaterally do _both_ of those things (see proof provided). ASSESSMENT: A. Sans any proof the iKooks declare that Apple can't do what Apple does B. Sans any proof the iKooks declare that anyone who says so is a troll C. Yet all iKooks are ignorant uneducated defenders of Apple to the death QUESTION: *If Apple can (and does) lock you out - will Microsoft do it too?*
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-02-24 12:40 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <240220221240448610%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #1363 |
In article <sv8ds2$ukv$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote: > *Given Apple can (and does) lock you out - will Microsoft do it too?* they don't nor can microsoft, trollboi > > I am extremely well educated, photos of books means nothing, and your posts demonstrates a *lack* of knowledge. > and as a result, I provided _proof_ of > everything that I claimed, no you didn't > and, the question is perfectly valid indeed. it is not
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| From | Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> |
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| Date | 2022-02-21 07:46 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <suvcfh$6uk$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1205 |
Am 21.02.22 um 03:57 schrieb rabidR04CH: > No, it raises suspicions just about anywhere. It raises suspicion when anonymous Trolls appear and claim bullshit and crosspost this bullshit over 5 NGs. -- De gustibus non est disputandum
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| From | rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> |
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| Date | 2022-02-20 21:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <%2DQJ.105699$SeK9.32887@fx97.iad> |
| In reply to | #1194 |
On 2022-02-20 4:06 p.m., nospam wrote: > In article <suu9rd$1tpn$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli > <spam@nospam.com> wrote: > >> >>> the same would happen if you tried to connect to google, banks and many >>> other companies from a russia vpn, or even a local vpn. some companies >>> take security very seriously. >> >> Wrong. Look at the pictures. You make up excuses for Apple that are garbage. > > except that apple does not appear in the above sentence. > >> The VPN happens later. Way later. Years later in fact. > > that doesn't matter. simply connecting with a vpn raises suspicions. Exactly. Most sites with information that is deemed highly sensitive also have a database of which IP pools belong to VPNs. When you log into such a site from such an IP, it makes sense that they would be extra careful. Apple is no different in this respect and frankly much better about protecting the user than Windows, Linux or even the companies peddling security products in many respects. >>>> Bear in mind there's _nothing_ wrong with my login. >>>> Nothing wrong with my password. >>> >>> except for it being disposable and you don't remember it, which you >>> readily admit. >> >> 1. It's the correct login and password (which the pictures prove). > > it can't prove anything because that info is hidden. > >> 2. Besides, I'm still logged into the iCloud (I never logged out). > > if that were true, it would not ask you to log in again. > > you're contradicting yourself. no surprise there. > > your scripts are still broken. I have to agree with nospam here. -- rabidR04CH Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Windows 11 For fans of message boards, I invite you: https://retalk.com/invite/rabidR04CH
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| From | Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> |
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| Date | 2022-02-21 07:43 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <suvca2$6uk$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1203 |
Am 21.02.22 um 03:47 schrieb rabidR04CH: > On 2022-02-20 4:06 p.m., nospam wrote: >> In article <suu9rd$1tpn$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli >> <spam@nospam.com> wrote: >>> 2. Besides, I'm still logged into the iCloud (I never logged out). >> >> if that were true, it would not ask you to log in again. >> >> you're contradicting yourself. no surprise there. >> >> your scripts are still broken. > > I have to agree with nospam here. +1 -- De gustibus non est disputandum
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| From | Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2022-02-21 21:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sv10q8$1cr8$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #1215 |
Joerg Lorenz wrote: >> I have to agree with nospam here. > > +1 And yet, the fact remains my devices are _not_ stolen. The fact remains that the mothership algorithms suck. They're written by what is, in effect, kindergarten coders. You can't deny that fact since it's based on what happened. a. They locked me out of my own device b. And yet, it's not stolen. You have to remember the VPN issue happened _two_ years later. For two years the mothership has been nagging me for a re-validation. For two years, a hundred times a day, I declined their offer. That's when they locked me out. That's when I tried to _unlock_ using VPN. And then they disabled the device altoghether. And yet, the proof their coding is kindergarten is I committed no crime. You can't deny that fact. Their algorithms are kindergarten. For you to claim that those are intelligent algorithms is to defy fact. The fact is I committed no crime and yet they locked me out of my device.
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| From | Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2022-02-21 04:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <suv3s8$gdu$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #1194 |
nospam wrote: >> The VPN happens later. Way later. Years later in fact. > > that doesn't matter. simply connecting with a vpn raises suspicions. Clearly Apple permanently destroys your equipment on a mere whim. <https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> *What's to stop MS from destroying your PC like Apple does, on a mere whim?* <https://i.postimg.cc/g008YhxP/appleid02.jpg> Three _adult_ points, _without_ needing any Apple examples are... 1. If Microsoft now forces a login on we users 2. Then what's to stop Microsoft from locking us out of our own computers 3. Much like Google Gmail will if you don't _exactly_ follow _their_ rules? An adult point _with_ Apple is... A. If Apple can force you to re-verify yourself on a whim (which they do) B. What's to stop Microsoft from forcing a re-verification on a similar whim C. And, depending on your IP address alone, Microsoft will destroy your PC Google does it... Apple does it far worse than does Google (as they destroy the hardware!) What's to stop MS from destroying your PC like Apple does, on a mere whim? For example: a. You have hardware setup #1 with boot disk #1 and Windows 11 license #1 b. For whatever reason, Microsoft pulls the Apple sleazy lockout trick c. Does substituting a new boot disk #2 on hardware #1 re-engage license #1?
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| From | rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> |
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| Date | 2022-02-20 13:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <7mvQJ.105664$SeK9.24551@fx97.iad> |
| In reply to | #1183 |
On 2022-02-20 11:58 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote: > Andy Burns wrote: > >>> <https://i.postimg.cc/SKGfmgnK/appleid05.jpg> Apple won't let you >>> back in! >> >> It's traditional on a login screen, to NOT give any clues why the >> login was unsuccessful, don't want to help the bad guys know the >> difference between non-existent/locked-out/wrong-password etc. > > Hi Andy, > > Thanks for trying to advise me but I already know why Apple locked me out. > I was _testing_ what Apple would do if I logged in using VPN. > (Just like I've tested what Google GMail does when you log in on VPN.) If Apple merely locked you out because you were using a VPN, that's quite shocking but it is probably the result of them expecting that you would log on from one location and suddenly finding it odd that you're logging in from another at a significant distance from the first. If they know you to be a person living in Chicago, for instance, then they would find it abnormal for you to suddenly be logging in from Miami. I imagine that you set the VPN for a different city, of course. It's hypersensitive but I imagine that a lot of users would find it understandable as a security measure. > The question here is whether Microsoft _can_ do the same things to you. > Now that Microsoft is _forcing_ a login/password into their servers. They can, but they probably won't since Windows is generally the default operating system for business users and these people are expected to travel and be in different locations at different times. > Rest assured I _know_ why Apple locked me out (as I was testing what they'd > do when I used VPN, from Russia no less!) when forced to _re_ validate my > identity. > > Bear in mind there's _nothing_ wrong with my login. > Nothing wrong with my password. > > Apple knows this. > Apple let's me use the App Store every day. > I even loaded the latest operating system just a week ago. > > There's nothing wrong with my login nor with my password. > And that's my point. > > For whatever reason, Apple wants me to _re_ validate who I am. Every > single day. Yes, because they want to make sure that the reason you're logging in from a significant distance from your general location is because you've traveled, not because your hardware has been stolen or your credentials hacked by someone living on the other side of the world. It's a very understandable situation and frankly, I applaud them for being careful. Once you're logged in, I imagine you didn't face any further issues. > *Can Microsoft do the same thing?* > That. > > That is the question. > > This is an _important_ question about Microsoft - not about Apple. > The only reason for bringing up Apple is that Apple _does_ lock you out. > > Hence the question is whether Microsoft can. > > Given this is a question about Microsoft, please don't get me wrong as I am > rather intelligent, as are you, but it's not obvious my question is about > the _power_ that Microsoft attains when they now _force_ a login. > > Apple forces the same login. > Worse - Apple forces a periodic _validation_ of your login. > Even worse, if you refuse to _re_ validate - Apple cripples your device! They might do that on an iPhone but they're not likely to do that on a Mac onto which you can easily just reinstall a separate OS or reinstall MacOS if ever you no longer have the credentials for the original user. > Don't get me wrong as I'm not complaining about Apple. I was _testing_ > Apple > by not logging into my iPad for four years (even as I used it daily). > > Every day for the latter two years, Apple nagged me to "re" verify. > Not verify. But _re_ verify. (as in verify again) > > Bear in mind the facts that Apple lets me install apps on the App Store > which requires a valid login, so Apple has no problem with my login. > > Bear in mind Apple lets me delete Siri recordings so Apple has no problem > collecting my Siri recordings (and allowing me to delete collected data). > > Bear in mind Apple even let me install the latest new operating system. > > So there is _nothing_ wrong with the forced login account, of itself. > What's "wrong" is that for whatever reason, Apple wants me to _re_ verify. > > I refuse to _re_ verify (as a test of what Apple would do). > I found out that Apple has the power to permanently lock up your device. > > Sure, they probably did that because I used a VPN to _re_ verify. > But that isn't my point as I was _testing_ what Apple would do. > > The fact is Apple did it. [See proof in sig where you know I'm > intelligent.] > Apple unilaterally permanently _locked_ me out of my own hardware. > > OK. No big deal. That's what I get for _testing_ what Apple will do. > I'm not complaining. > > What I'm _asking_ here is whether Microsoft "can" do the same thing to you? > Can they? Of course they can but they probably won't. You do make a good case for why local accounts should be prioritized over cloud ones like what Apple and Microsoft are both pushing now though. The problem is that only Linux is still going the local route whereas everyone else is saying that cloud should be the default. There are tons of advantages to using the cloud approach since data can easily be migrated and synced from one device to another but it is also clearly less advantageous in regards to who truly controls the device or even your data. -- rabidR04CH Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Windows 11 For fans of message boards, I invite you: https://retalk.com/invite/rabidR04CH
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| From | Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2022-02-20 20:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <suu987$1l50$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #1185 |
rabidR04CH wrote: > If Apple merely locked you out because you were using a VPN <shakes head> Look. This thread isn't asking about Apple - it's asking about M$. *With the new login requirement, _can_ Microsoft do what Apple does?* That is, Apple _requires_ you to periodically _validate_ your login. <https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> The VPN issue happens _later_ (didn't you look at _any_ of the pics)? Besides, it doesn't matter why Apple unilaterally destroyed my iPad. What matters is the question in this thread now that M$ forces the login. *Can Microsoft also lock you out of your PC in Windows 11 or not?* > quite shocking but it is probably the result of them expecting that you > would log on from one location and suddenly finding it odd that you're > logging in from another at a significant distance from the first. It has _nothing_ to do with that. Stop listening to the bullshit that nospam spews because he _hates_ Apple. More specifically, nospam _hates_ what Apple is so he fabricates that crap. He will defend Apple to the death by blaming the user for everything. If you didn't look at the pictures, at least _look_ at this one shot. <https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> The fact is clear what Apple is trying to do! But that doesn't matter because I don't care what Apple does to my iPads. What I want to know in this thread is whether Microsoft can do that to me. Can they? > they know you to be a person living in Chicago, for instance, then they > would find it abnormal for you to suddenly be logging in from Miami. I > imagine that you set the VPN for a different city, of course. It's > hypersensitive but I imagine that a lot of users would find it > understandable as a security measure. The VPN issue happened _two years_ after the original issues. Didn't you _look_ at any of the screenshots? Or do you only listen to nospam (who is a world class bullshitter). That nospam will defend Apple to the death, no matter what. Anyway, this isn't about Apple. It's about Microsoft. *Now that Microsoft requires a login, can they lock up your PC too?*
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| From | rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> |
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| Date | 2022-02-20 21:42 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <Q_CQJ.38318$OT%7.27079@fx07.iad> |
| In reply to | #1190 |
On 2022-02-20 3:44 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote: > rabidR04CH wrote: > >> If Apple merely locked you out because you were using a VPN > > <shakes head> > > Look. This thread isn't asking about Apple - it's asking about M$. > *With the new login requirement, _can_ Microsoft do what Apple does?* > > That is, Apple _requires_ you to periodically _validate_ your login. > <https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> > > The VPN issue happens _later_ (didn't you look at _any_ of the pics)? > Besides, it doesn't matter why Apple unilaterally destroyed my iPad. > > What matters is the question in this thread now that M$ forces the login. > *Can Microsoft also lock you out of your PC in Windows 11 or not?* No. They can lock you out of _Windows_, but not the hardware. >> quite shocking but it is probably the result of them expecting that >> you would log on from one location and suddenly finding it odd that >> you're logging in from another at a significant distance from the first. > > It has _nothing_ to do with that. > > Stop listening to the bullshit that nospam spews because he _hates_ Apple. > More specifically, nospam _hates_ what Apple is so he fabricates that crap. > He will defend Apple to the death by blaming the user for everything. > > If you didn't look at the pictures, at least _look_ at this one shot. > <https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> > The fact is clear what Apple is trying to do! > > But that doesn't matter because I don't care what Apple does to my iPads. > What I want to know in this thread is whether Microsoft can do that to me. > > Can they? I don't think you're looking for an answer as much as to get people to look at your worthless pics, all provided without context. >> they know you to be a person living in Chicago, for instance, then >> they would find it abnormal for you to suddenly be logging in from >> Miami. I imagine that you set the VPN for a different city, of course. >> It's hypersensitive but I imagine that a lot of users would find it >> understandable as a security measure. > > The VPN issue happened _two years_ after the original issues. > Didn't you _look_ at any of the screenshots? > > Or do you only listen to nospam (who is a world class bullshitter). > That nospam will defend Apple to the death, no matter what. > > Anyway, this isn't about Apple. It's about Microsoft. > > *Now that Microsoft requires a login, can they lock up your PC too?* How can you say that it's not about Apple when all you're doing is complaining about Apple and then asking whether Microsoft will potentially be as bad? Seriously though, instead of spending so much money on hardware that you purposely lock yourself out of, consider spending that money on the psychiatric medication you've clearly run out of. -- rabidR04CH Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Windows 11 For fans of message boards, I invite you: https://retalk.com/invite/rabidR04CH
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| From | Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2022-02-21 04:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <suv5ut$10t9$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #1200 |
rabidR04CH wrote: > No. They can lock you out of _Windows_, but not the hardware. That's what I always had thought. a. You have boot disk #1 on PC hardware #1 and Windows 11 license #1 b. For whatever reason, Microsoft locks you out of Win11 license #1 c. Your only recourse is boot disk #2 The question isn't _will_ but _can_ MS lock you out of Win11 license #1 (even if you substituted boot disk #2)? That's really the question.
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| From | rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> |
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| Date | 2022-02-21 08:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <GaMQJ.38325$OT%7.3909@fx07.iad> |
| In reply to | #1211 |
On 2022-02-20 23:54, Andy Burnelli wrote: > rabidR04CH wrote: > >> No. They can lock you out of _Windows_, but not the hardware. > > That's what I always had thought. > > a. You have boot disk #1 on PC hardware #1 and Windows 11 license #1 > b. For whatever reason, Microsoft locks you out of Win11 license #1 > c. Your only recourse is boot disk #2 > > The question isn't _will_ but _can_ MS lock you out of Win11 license #1 > (even if you substituted boot disk #2)? > > That's really the question. Microsoft _can_ blacklist a product key. If the product key itself is blocked, you can still install Windows, obviously, but not activate it. -- rabidR04CH MSI GT72 2QD on Linux Mint 20.3 For fans of message boards, I invite you: https://retalk.com/invite/rabidR04CH
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