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If you print from Windows 10 to your LAN networked printer - have you also printed from Android? How?

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#742 — If you print from Windows 10 to your LAN networked printer - have you also printed from Android? How?

From	Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
Date	2020-11-23 19:14 +0000
Subject	If you print from Windows 10 to your LAN networked printer - have you also printed from Android? How?
Message-ID	<rph1m4$lpu$1@news.mixmin.net>

I need help with printing to a printer that Windows 10 has no problem
printing to, where I ask here in the hope someone here solved the problem.

If you haven't already solved the problem, then I don't ask you for how.
o I only want you to go to the trouble to respond if you already solved it! 

Mostly because it's only partially related to Windows, in that Windows 10
prints fine to this HP LJ 2100 over the LAN so why can't Android also?

Maybe I can make use of some "Windows 10 magic" (somehow) to print to it 
from the mobile device, which is also on the same subnet as Windows 10 is?

Anyway, this is the original thread with all the current details:
o How do you print from Android to your home networked printer on your LAN?
  <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/nTAYljkvVl4>

Notice that a lot of the details depend on _how_ the printer is on the LAN
a. Either via USB via Windows, 
b. Or for newer printers via Ethernet, or, 
c. For even newer printers, via Wi-Fi, or,
d. Perhaps for even newer printers, via "Wi-Fi Direct", whatever that is.

Have you been able to print (perhaps via a Windows 10 intermediary) from
your Android device to your LAN networked printer (mine is Ethernet)?

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#743

From	"MJP" <KKK@KKK.NET>
Date	2020-11-23 19:43 +0000
Message-ID	<rph3cr$99k$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#742


"Arlen Holder"  wrote in message news:rph1m4$lpu$1@news.mixmin.net...

I need help with printing to a printer that Windows 10 has no problem
printing to, where I ask here in the hope someone here solved the problem.

If you haven't already solved the problem, then I don't ask you for how.
o I only want you to go to the trouble to respond if you already solved it!

Mostly because it's only partially related to Windows, in that Windows 10
prints fine to this HP LJ 2100 over the LAN so why can't Android also?


My brother wireless printer is available to my Android devices as a print 
option.

This uses the brother plug in for android.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brother.printservice&hl=en_GB

Mjp

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#746

From	Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
Date	2020-11-24 04:11 +0000
Message-ID	<rpi15c$1cig$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#743

On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 19:43:22 -0000, MJP wrote:

> My brother wireless printer is available to my Android devices as a print 
> option.
> 
> This uses the brother plug in for android.
> 
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brother.printservice&hl=en_GB

Hi MJP,

We should all be able to print directly to our printers at home
o So this is a worthwhile endeavor to try to write up a tutorial

A specific OEM printer app might be the answer, which I will try on my
o Hewlett Packard LaserJet 2100tn (Ethernet connected to my LAN router)

Using Aurora Store (which is an anonymous front end to Google Play) with
filters to filter out (a) all google apps (b) all paid apps (c) all adware
apps, and (d) all apps which require GSF (which is sort of like .NET
Framework on Windows), I found a few apps for non-HP printers such as:
a. PrinterShare Mobile Print <com.dynamicxsoftware.printershare>
b. Canon Print Service <jp.co.canon.android.printservice.plugin>
c. Epson Print Enabler <com.epson.mobilephone.android.epso...>
d. Konica Minolta Mobile Print <com.konicaminolta.mobileprint>
e. Hauwei Printer <com.hauwei.cv80.printer_hauwei.abr...>
f. Brother iPrint&Scan <com.brother.mfc.brprint>
g. Lexmark Mobile Print <com.lexmark.print>
h. Mobi Print for Zebra, Brother, Seiko printers <com.mobiprintpro.retail.android>
i. Hammer Print <com.hammermill.premium>
etc.

Removing the filter blocking "GSF dependent" apps, brings up HP stuff:
j. HP Print Service Plugin <com.hp.android.printservice>
k. HP Smart <com.hp.printercontrol>
l. HP ePrint Enterprise <com.hp.eprint.client>
m. HP ePrint Enterprise for Good <com.hp.com.hpeprintservice.good>
n. HP Advance <com.hp.mobileconnector>
o. HP PrintOS for PSP <com.hp.printosforpsp>
p. HP SureSupply <com.hp.esupplies>
q. HP QuickDrop <com.hp.quickdrop>
etc.

I'll see if one or more of the printing apps above works for me
given I have on my network via Ethernet an HP LJ2100tn printer.

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#744

From	"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date	2020-11-23 21:04 +0100
Message-ID	<i22iuuFc8otU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#742

On 23/11/2020 20.14, Arlen Holder wrote:
> I need help with printing to a printer that Windows 10 has no problem
> printing to, where I ask here in the hope someone here solved the problem.
> 
> If you haven't already solved the problem, then I don't ask you for how.
> o I only want you to go to the trouble to respond if you already solved it!
> 
> Mostly because it's only partially related to Windows, in that Windows 10
> prints fine to this HP LJ 2100 over the LAN so why can't Android also?
> 
> Maybe I can make use of some "Windows 10 magic" (somehow) to print to it
> from the mobile device, which is also on the same subnet as Windows 10 is?

Two years ago I printed from Android phone to new hp printer (not mine), 
connected to the router by ethernet. I just followed instructions 
(hints) on the printer docs. Sorry, I do not remember the details.

In Android setup, search for "print". "Predetermined print service" is 
enabled. If you tap it, it searches for printers in the LAN. IIRC, it 
just worked, easy peasy.

At home, my printer is older and does not support it. I guess I would 
have to setup CUPS (which I have, but not for this). I remember there 
was an app that would "see" CUPS in Android. I don't currently have it 
installed.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#745

From	Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
Date	2020-11-24 03:48 +0000
Message-ID	<rphvr4$109c$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#744

On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 21:04:45 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> Two years ago I printed from Android phone to new hp printer (not mine), 
> connected to the router by ethernet. I just followed instructions 
> (hints) on the printer docs. Sorry, I do not remember the details.

Hi Carlos,
Thanks for that purposefully helpful advice, where I don't want anyone to 
go to the trouble I usually go to in order to solve a _new_ problem.

In "Connected devices" there's a secret web page (apparently) on printing.
o <https://i.postimg.cc/zD0CDJZz/printing01.jpg>
o <https://i.postimg.cc/pTkFdBSG/printing04.jpg>

I just want to know how others managed to print, from Android, to a 
networked printer that Windows 10 has no problem whatsoever printing to.

My HP LaserJet 2100tn is so old that even Microsoft considers it legacy:
o Tutorial for the EASIEST (maybe only?) way to install a problematic legacy printer such as the HP LaserJet 2100 on Windows 10 current versions
  <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/Qb-fXNOH_8g>

But Windows 10 prints fine to it so I hope I can get Android to print also.

> In Android setup, search for "print". "Predetermined print service" is 
> enabled. If you tap it, it searches for printers in the LAN. IIRC, it 
> just worked, easy peasy.

I'm Android 10, Moto G7, where a "Search" inside "Settings" has these hits:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/PxdDh7Sv/printing03.jpg> 
1. Print services [Connected devices > Connection preferences > Printing]
2. Print jobs [Connected devices > Connection preferences > Printing]
3. Printing [Connected devices > Connection preferences > Printing]
4. Android CUPS Print [App info]
5. Print Service Recommendation... [App info]
6. Default Print Service [App info]
7. Mopria Print Service [App info]
8. Print Spooler [App info]

> At home, my printer is older and does not support it. I guess I would 
> have to setup CUPS (which I have, but not for this). I remember there 
> was an app that would "see" CUPS in Android. I don't currently have it 
> installed.

In the Android thread, I mentioned I installed a "Cups" app thingy
o But I'm not familiar with CUPS (it just worked on Linux years ago 
  so I didn't learn anything more than the fact Linux uses CUPS).

It's only when things don't work that I learn anything about them.
o <https://i.postimg.cc/xdvmwQ3S/printing02.jpg> 

Anyway, I'm not printing from Android to a Windows networked printer yet.
o But I'm still trying to figure out how

Where part of the problem is just finding an answer for an Ethernet
connected printer which isn't WiFi nor Mopria nor USB connected.

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#747

From	Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
Date	2020-11-24 04:55 +0000
Message-ID	<rpi3ob$2b86$1@neodome.net>
In reply to	#742

On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 16:35:54 +0200, Anssi Saari wrote:

> OK, so my response was needlessly short.

Hi Anssi Saari,

Any amount of purposefully helpful advice and suggestions I appreciate!

I'm just getting started on this quest, and it seems there are lots of ways
to go so that's where advice from others who have been successful can
prevent a whole bunch of dead ends.

In the end, if I can print to the printer directly from Android
o That would be worthy of a tutorial so as to help others do the same

> The printer I have is a
> Laserjet P1102, USB connection only. So to make it into a networked
> printer it's connected to a raspberry pi via USB. CUPS shares it in a
> way that Linux (and Android) machines see, Samba shares it in a way that
> Windows machines see. So when I wrote the response I knew nothing about
> printers that are actually directly networked (other than an ancient
> Laserjet 4P that's still in storage somewhere but that thing predates
> Android phones...)

We both have HP printers, but yours is USB only while mine is Ethernet.
o That probably changes what's available to us by way of printing options.

> So anyways, after a quick look, "everyone" uses IPP (internet printing
> protocol) for networked printing, both printers and Android. And CUPS
> too. So I should be able to print direct to my printer and indeed I
> could, even after removing Mopria.

I installed every free app for IPP that Aurora Store found on Google Play:
a. CUPS Printing <io.github.benoitduffez.cupsprint>
b. Let's Print Droid <com.blackspruce.lpd>
c. PrinterShare Mobile Print <com.dynamixsoftware.printershare>
d. PrintBot <net.jsecurity.printbot>
e. PrinterOn <com.printeron.droid.phone>
f. Direrct Print Service <com.solvaig.printservice>
g. PrintHand Mobile Print <com.dynamixsoftware.printhand>

I will have to test each one out to see which ones work on my HP printer.
o <https://i.postimg.cc/5N8c5d9T/printing05.jpg> 

> So I guess your printer might be the issue here? Is using the "HP Print
> Service Plugin" for Android out of the question? HP says printers newer
> than 2004 should work with it. 

I haven't even tried yet this HP Print Service Plugin, but I downloaded it 
and many other HP printer apps from the Aurora Store overlay on Google Play
h. HP Print Service Plugin <com.hp.android.printservice>
i. HP Smart <com.hp.printercontrol>
j. HP ePrint Enterprise <com.hp.eprint.client>
k. HP ePrint Enterprise for Good <com.hp.com.hpeprintservice.good>
l. HP Advance <com.hp.mobileconnector>
m. HP PrintOS for PSP <com.hp.printosforpsp>
n. HP SureSupply <com.hp.esupplies>
o. HP QuickDrop <com.hp.quickdrop>

> Or my solution with CUPS on some Linux
> machine might work for you. Or even CUPS on Android?
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.github.benoitduffez.cupsprint

Just in case it turns out to be the solution, I downloaded a few CUPS apps
(although I haven't yet dug into how or why this CUPS stuff would work).
o <https://i.postimg.cc/Y9TVg85t/printing06.jpg> 11 print services on

In summary, this printing directly from Android to a networked printer
isn't intuitive, but there's so much information that I still have to delve
into I can't say much other than this is the status so far, for the
screenshots for the upcoming (hopefully) tutorial so all others benefit:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/zD0CDJZz/printing01.jpg> Android10 ConnectionPrefs
o <https://i.postimg.cc/xdvmwQ3S/printing02.jpg> ConnectionPrefs > Printing
o <https://i.postimg.cc/PxdDh7Sv/printing03.jpg> Search > Print > Services
o <https://i.postimg.cc/pTkFdBSG/printing04.jpg> ? > Print > Documentation
o <https://i.postimg.cc/5N8c5d9T/printing05.jpg> Added free IPP print apps
o <https://i.postimg.cc/Y9TVg85t/printing06.jpg> 11 print services on
-- 
If anyone has printing figured out, please let us know so we all benefit.

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#751

From	"wasbit" <wasbitremove@hotmail.com>
Date	2020-11-24 10:43 +0000
Message-ID	<rpio3u$p9r$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#742

"Arlen   Holder" <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> wrote in message 
news:rph1m4$lpu$1@news.mixmin.net...
> I need help with printing to a printer that Windows 10 has no problem
> printing to, where I ask here in the hope someone here solved the problem.
>
> If you haven't already solved the problem, then I don't ask you for how.
> o I only want you to go to the trouble to respond if you already solved 
> it!
>
> Mostly because it's only partially related to Windows, in that Windows 10
> prints fine to this HP LJ 2100 over the LAN so why can't Android also?
>
> Maybe I can make use of some "Windows 10 magic" (somehow) to print to it
> from the mobile device, which is also on the same subnet as Windows 10 is?
>
> Anyway, this is the original thread with all the current details:
> o How do you print from Android to your home networked printer on your 
> LAN?
>  <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/nTAYljkvVl4>
>
> Notice that a lot of the details depend on _how_ the printer is on the LAN
> a. Either via USB via Windows,
> b. Or for newer printers via Ethernet, or,
> c. For even newer printers, via Wi-Fi, or,
> d. Perhaps for even newer printers, via "Wi-Fi Direct", whatever that is.
>
> Have you been able to print (perhaps via a Windows 10 intermediary) from
> your Android device to your LAN networked printer (mine is Ethernet)?

I don't understand your question.
Where does Windows come into it other than to install the printer drivers.
Brother MFC L2700DW connected to router by ethernet allows anything on the 
LAN to print. That's my Android tablet & visitors mobile phones.

I no longer have an HP Laserjet 2100 (with additional JetDirect ethernet 
card) but I don't recall having any print or connectivity problems.

-- 
Regards
wasbit

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#752

From	Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
Date	2020-11-24 14:32 +0000
Message-ID	<rpj5hi$499$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#751

On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 10:43:10 -0000, wasbit wrote:

> I don't understand your question.

Hi wasbit,

Actually you do understand the question.

> Where does Windows come into it other than to install the printer drivers.

I said in the OP that Windows only comes in _if_ the solution is to use
Windows (which it may very well need to be), e.g., as the print server
(e.g., via cups, or samba, as also mentioned in the ancillary thread I
referenced).

The facts are that the Android phone ties closer to Windows than it does to
the Ethernet'd wired printer on the LAN; Windows is almost certainly going
to be the intermediary, for a bunch of reasons, not only that Android
connects to the SMB/CUPs services, but also because Windows can 'share' a
printer.

I've never needed to "share" a printer from Windows; but that may be the
solution that works, given how nicely Android ties to Windows and how
nicely Windows ties to the printer (and given how poorly Android ties to
the printer).

> Brother MFC L2700DW connected to router by ethernet allows anything on the 
> LAN to print. That's my Android tablet & visitors mobile phones.

You're the second person to mention that a Brother printer has good enough
software to connect directly between Android & the printer which is _only_
on the LAN via its Ethernet connection to the router (i.e., it has an IP
address).

Can you look to see if that connection _also_ has a port involved, as some
of the software I've been trying to get to work asks for both the IP
address of the printer and the port (where I don't know what the port is).

Given that Windows 10 prints fine to this printer, is there a way, for
example, to get Windows to tell me what that port number is?

> I no longer have an HP Laserjet 2100 (with additional JetDirect ethernet 
> card) but I don't recall having any print or connectivity problems.

You are correct it's the HP LaserJet 2100tn, which apparently means it has
that network card for Ethernet, which has been printing from Windows for
more than a decade (I don't remember how old it is).

I don't have any problem whatsoever printing from Windows to that printer
over the LAN; but have you been printing to that printer directly from
Android?

If so, _how_ did you manage to get the Android device to see the printer?

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#762

From	"wasbit" <wasbitremove@hotmail.com>
Date	2020-11-25 10:23 +0000
Message-ID	<rplbai$4m2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#752

"Arlen   Holder" <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> wrote in message 
news:rpj5hi$499$1@news.mixmin.net...
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 10:43:10 -0000, wasbit wrote:
>
>> I don't understand your question.
>
> Hi wasbit,
>
> Actually you do understand the question.
>
>> Where does Windows come into it other than to install the printer 
>> drivers.
>
> I said in the OP that Windows only comes in _if_ the solution is to use
> Windows (which it may very well need to be), e.g., as the print server
> (e.g., via cups, or samba, as also mentioned in the ancillary thread I
> referenced).
>
> The facts are that the Android phone ties closer to Windows than it does 
> to
> the Ethernet'd wired printer on the LAN; Windows is almost certainly going
> to be the intermediary, for a bunch of reasons, not only that Android
> connects to the SMB/CUPs services, but also because Windows can 'share' a
> printer.
>
> I've never needed to "share" a printer from Windows; but that may be the
> solution that works, given how nicely Android ties to Windows and how
> nicely Windows ties to the printer (and given how poorly Android ties to
> the printer).
>

Sharing a printer is, presumably, required when the printer is connected to 
a PC not a router.

>> Brother MFC L2700DW connected to router by ethernet allows anything on 
>> the
>> LAN to print. That's my Android tablet & visitors mobile phones.
>
> You're the second person to mention that a Brother printer has good enough
> software to connect directly between Android & the printer which is _only_
> on the LAN via its Ethernet connection to the router (i.e., it has an IP
> address).
>
> Can you look to see if that connection _also_ has a port involved, as some
> of the software I've been trying to get to work asks for both the IP
> address of the printer and the port (where I don't know what the port is).
>

I always give the printer a static IP address.

Taken from the printer properties & as installed by the Brother drivers
Port: 192.168.x.x
Description: Standard TCP/IP port

> Given that Windows 10 prints fine to this printer, is there a way, for
> example, to get Windows to tell me what that port number is?
>

 - 
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/how-to-identify-and-change-the-printer-port/72421a30-2771-48e3-9f5a-86508cdae94b

>> I no longer have an HP Laserjet 2100 (with additional JetDirect ethernet
>> card) but I don't recall having any print or connectivity problems.
>
> You are correct it's the HP LaserJet 2100tn, which apparently means it has
> that network card for Ethernet, which has been printing from Windows for
> more than a decade (I don't remember how old it is).
>

Mine came from Freecycle & was previously used (or abused) in a school 
office.
It was a 2100 so I had to source a JetDirect card & add it myself.
Prior to that I used a parallel to ethernet cable.

> I don't have any problem whatsoever printing from Windows to that printer
> over the LAN; but have you been printing to that printer directly from
> Android?
>
> If so, _how_ did you manage to get the Android device to see the printer?

Not sure that I did. It was probably before Android became popular.
I do recall having to go the extra steps before Windows (7?) would find the 
drivers, as you posted in one of your threads & having to change the port in 
the printer properties.

-- 
Regards
wasbit

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#764

From	Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
Date	2020-11-25 10:57 +0000
Message-ID	<rpldbk$906$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#762

On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 10:23:12 -0000, wasbit wrote:

> Sharing a printer is, presumably, required when the printer is connected to 
> a PC not a router.

Hi wasbit,

I have never shared a printer using Windows 10 so I'm not sure
o But why can't share work by USB to the printer or Ethernet to the router?

Nonetheless, I never disputed that this solution is only applicable to
Windows if (and only if) Windows _is_ included in the solution.

What I will do, since your point is valid, is STOP updating this thread,
where the solution will be found in the Android newsgroup instead.
o How do you print from Android to your home networked printer on your LAN?
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/nTAYljkvVl4>

I'll only update this thread if the solution involves Windows.
o Or, if someone asks me a question (which I need to respond to).

Deal?

> I always give the printer a static IP address.

I also have a static printer, & I ran a port scan on it earlier today:
o The printer is 192.168.1.20 and the only open port is 80 
  <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.periphs.printers/c/Y-b186tFKTs/m/baC2tgbSAAAJ>

> Taken from the printer properties & as installed by the Brother drivers
> Port: 192.168.x.x
> Description: Standard TCP/IP port

The AngryIP port scanner seems to think my printer has port 80 open.
o Who knew? Not me.

I can actually access that page when I use the URL from a browser:
o Welcome to the Embedded Web Server!
o Click the Administration button to configure, get status of, 
  or diagnose the HP JetDirect print server.

> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/how-to-identify-and-change-the-printer-port/72421a30-2771-48e3-9f5a-86508cdae94b

Thanks for that hint. 
o Mine is also a "standard tcp/ip port".

Here's what I did to find that out:
o Win+R > ms-settings:printers > HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL5 > 
o [Manage] > Printer properties > Ports

> Mine came from Freecycle & was previously used (or abused) in a school 
> office.
> It was a 2100 so I had to source a JetDirect card & add it myself.
> Prior to that I used a parallel to ethernet cable.

I checked the serial on the back and mine was manufactured in 1999.
o It has the JetDirect card, whatever that is.

I think that's just a fancy way of saying it's a network card?
o Is that right?

(or, is it a "printer server", whatever that might mean to us.)

> Not sure that I did. It was probably before Android became popular.
> I do recall having to go the extra steps before Windows (7?) would find the 
> drivers, as you posted in one of your threads & having to change the port in 
> the printer properties.

Up until about an hour ago I was happy that I was able, for the first time,
to print (I thought) "directly" from Android, but it turned out my solution
(unbeknownst to me) used the Internet (see recent post with details).

The good news is that I have _plenty_ of solutions to test, and we know the
hardware works, so I just need to find software that does what everyone
would want, which is the following rather simple set of requirements:
a. Free, ad free, gsf-free, google free (as are almost all my Android apps)
b. Prints directly from Android to the printer (without the Internet!)
c. Where Android is using WiFi & the printer is Ethernet'd to the router
   (and, of course, where the printer is not Wi-Fi enabled in any way)
-- 
o <https://i.postimg.cc/zD0CDJZz/printing01.jpg> Android10 ConnectionPrefs
o <https://i.postimg.cc/xdvmwQ3S/printing02.jpg> ConnectionPrefs > Printing
o <https://i.postimg.cc/PxdDh7Sv/printing03.jpg> Search > Print > Services
o <https://i.postimg.cc/pTkFdBSG/printing04.jpg> ? > Print > Documentation
o <https://i.postimg.cc/5N8c5d9T/printing05.jpg> Added free IPP print apps
o <https://i.postimg.cc/Y9TVg85t/printing06.jpg> 11 print services on
o <https://i.postimg.cc/FzmF5wYr/printing07.jpg> Shortcut to print settings
o <https://i.postimg.cc/DZJprj3b/printing08.jpg> PrintBot static printer
o <https://i.postimg.cc/wjqWfTdz/printing09.jpg> PDF > Open with PrintBot
o <https://i.postimg.cc/2530Yc6X/printing10.jpg> Drat! It uses the net :(

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#792

From	Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
Date	2020-11-28 08:47 +0000
Message-ID	<rpt2rr$ueo$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#764

On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 10:57:56 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

> What I will do, since your point is valid, is STOP updating this thread,
> where the solution will be found in the Android newsgroup instead.
> o How do you print from Android to your home networked printer on your LAN?
> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/nTAYljkvVl4>

SOLVED.

As usual, we almost never, if ever, fail to do what we need to do.
o For free, with unlimited printing, on our own LAN, sans the cloud!

The full solution is in the referenced thread:
o How do you print from Android to your home networked printer on your LAN?
  <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/nTAYljkvVl4>

That solution involved setting up a free "print service", and an additional
free "print renderer" (which we can sort of refer to as a 'printer driver'
perhaps). In addition, it took judicious trial & error to get the settings
just right, as any one setting affected other settings, so I apologize it
took a few days to solve this problem.

To my credit, nowhere on the entire Internet have I or anyone who posted
found this solution documented (which is often the case when highly
marketed scam solutions abound, as they do with most printer apps it seems)
and when that's coupled with older equipment (my HPLJ2100TN printer is not
a Wi-Fi printer, for example, nor Mopria certified, although all those
Mopria apps turned out to be scams, IMHO, given my Android 10 comes with a
Mopria print service by default).

I don't profess to know exactly the flow, but it's certainly working, where
I've only tested printing of PDF files so far, just to keep things simple. 

The general flow of data is:
a. Send the PDF file to the print renderer to be bitmapped
   o Let's Print PDF, by BlackSpruce [free, ad free, gsf independent]
     <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blackspruce.mupdf>

b. Send the resulting bitmap to be output as PCL-5 to the print server 
   o Let's Print Droid, by BlackSpruce [free, ad free, gsf independent]
     <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blackspruce.lpd>

Please note that there are gory details in the Android thread, so consider
this simply a courtesy summary because it turned out there was no need to
get the Windows 10 machine involved.

One key way though that Windows users can help is to explain why there is
no such thing as a "printer driver" on Android, and what the "printer
server" actually does (by way of contrast to how Windows prints & how
Android prints given the same LAN and printer setup).
-- 
We almost never, if ever, fail to solve even our toughest problems
using unlimited, unrestricted freeware, and never do we need the cloud.

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#824

From	Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
Date	2020-12-06 19:48 +0000
Message-ID	<rqjcij$2dnb$1@adenine.netfront.net>
In reply to	#792

On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 08:47:55 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

> SOLVED.
> 
> As usual, we almost never, if ever, fail to do what we need to do.
> o For free, with unlimited printing, on our own LAN, sans the cloud!
> 
> The full solution is in the referenced thread:
> o How do you print from Android to your home networked printer on your LAN?
>   <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/nTAYljkvVl4>

UPDATE:

Woo hoo!
o Together, as a team, we (almost) never fail to solve all technical issues!

In addition to solving the huge problem of printing from any Android device
to any printer on your LAN (which is a pretty big deal if you ask me)... 

We also solved the problem of running Windows-based scans of printer ports
o Which, admittedly, is not a big deal at all (but useful nonetheless)

Rather than repeating the details, please refer to this updated thread:
o What Windows port scanning freeware do you recommend for general use?
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.microsoft.windows/c/dqhQMscR3mA>
-- 
People post tutorials and solutions out of the goodness of their hearts.

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#831

From	Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
Date	2020-12-09 19:52 +0000
Message-ID	<rqr9un$rlb$1@neodome.net>
In reply to	#824

Update:

This thread shows how to print to _any_ printer that is on your LAN, 
(as long as it has an IP address) where I've been printing away.

However, today I noticed a "gotcha", which is "landscaped" printing.
o I was printing a 2021 customized paper calendar (with birthdays)
  based on this tutorial where I converted the calendar PDF to PPT.
  
o Windows Tutorial to annotate & print family calendar at home on 8.5x11 paper (please improve for all to benefit) 
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/RA3bLfsgtFg>

When I converted the custom Powerpoint back to PDF, it unexpectedly 
printed from my Android phone _only_ in "portrait" orientation.

Not "landscape".

I solved it easily by rotating the PDF in Adobe Acrobat on Windows, 
but this problem of "portrait-only" orientation doesn't happen when I print
the same file on Windows. 

The "portrait-only" orientation only happens when I print from Android.

In summary, it's just a heads-up to test both orientations if you use this
tutorial to print from Android using LetsPrintDroid & LetsPrintPDF.
-- 
Google proved, yet again, core iOS code has never been tested since 1985.
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/7Mc1sX9XISA> 
With an obvious length check bug, the entire iOS house of cards fell down.
Google asked "Is it really that easy?", where the answer was "Yes".

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#758

From	Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
Date	2020-11-24 19:12 +0000
Message-ID	<rpjlup$1bi1$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#742

One of the Android printing apps I was testing asked for the "port".
o I don't know how to find the printer port (even from Windows).

Searching, I found this recent thread on the printer dejagoogle archive:
o <http://tinyurl.com/comp-periphs-printers>

What I found was a "similar" question (but not exactly the same question):
o Printer's IP address, by Alex Trishan <alek.trishan@gmail.com>
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.periphs.printers/c/Y-b186tFKTs>

Here's my test results, from start to finish (for edification)
o There may be a better way to find the port of a printer though.

... My ad hoc sysinstall log follows... 
o mkdir x:\installers\network\scanner\angryip 
o <https://angryip.org/> 
  <https://angryip.org/download/#windows> 
  <https://github-production-release-asset-2e65be.s3.amazonaws.com...stuff> 
   Name: ipscan-3.7.3-setup.exe 
   Size: 3019446 bytes (2948 KiB) 
   CRC32: 8416A268 
   CRC64: 2646920C3D6D1BD8 
   SHA256: DF2BCA8190A27477227F92A6825DCE00FDA7E2F5C2A2A3DA67638B016FF62502 
   SHA1: 89177351A23D4EC1E2337273A9EE8271B077C1C7 
   BLAKE2sp: 7D7570FF0FF539488AA7ED3FF925A54596AD5375A934DD40F32C637D9C4DFB45 
o Run this downloaded ipscan-3.7.3-setup.exe executable 
  It wants to go in C:\Program Files\Angry IP Scanner 
  I put it where it belongs C:\app\network\scanner\angryip 
  Note: You decide that; not a thousand different companies. 
o It installs quickly, with no obvious shenanigans (good). 
o Create a shortcut C:\menu\network\scanner\ipscan.lnk 
  Target C:\app\network\scanner\angryip\ipscan.exe 
o Start it: Taskbar > menu > network > scanner > ipscan 
  Uncheck [x]Send anonymous error reports 
  Hit [Next] quite a few times, and then [Close] 
o I'm not sure what to do next but I hit the big green "Start" button. 
  Up pops a Windows Defender Firewall blockage report: 
  Java(TM) Platform SE binary 
  C:\program files (x86)\common files\oracle\java\javapath_target_18549781\javaw.exe 
  (I never know what to hit so I made sure both boxes are unchecked.)
o Scanning completed (it took about 20 seconds). 
  o IP Range 192.168.0.1 - 192.168.0.255 
  o Hosts alive: 9 
  o With open ports: 6 

OK. I scroll down to find the printer, which doesn't show up "as" a 
printer, but I happen to already know its IP address, where it says: 
o IP = 192.168.0.20 
o Ping = 2ms 
o Hostname = [n/a] 
o Ports[3+] = 80 
-- 
I'm not sure what the "3+" means, but the rest seems pretty clear. 
o Thanks for this advice to use this freeware Windows network scanner.

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#761

From	Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
Date	2020-11-25 08:23 +0000
Message-ID	<rpl497$19ed$1@neodome.net>
In reply to	#742

UPDATE:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/zD0CDJZz/printing01.jpg> Android10 ConnectionPrefs
o <https://i.postimg.cc/xdvmwQ3S/printing02.jpg> ConnectionPrefs > Printing
o <https://i.postimg.cc/PxdDh7Sv/printing03.jpg> Search > Print > Services
o <https://i.postimg.cc/pTkFdBSG/printing04.jpg> ? > Print > Documentation
o <https://i.postimg.cc/5N8c5d9T/printing05.jpg> Added free IPP print apps
o <https://i.postimg.cc/Y9TVg85t/printing06.jpg> 11 print services on
o <https://i.postimg.cc/FzmF5wYr/printing07.jpg> Shortcut to print settings

HELPFUL HINT: I've been pulling up the printer menus so much that this
single-tap homescreen print-settings shortcut is coming in quite handy:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/FzmF5wYr/printing07.jpg>

To create this one-tap homescreen shortcut to Android print settings:
1. Download & install & run "Shortcut Creator", by AlexTernHome 
   <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alextern.shortcuthelper>

2. ShortcutCreator:Settings > Observe activities > Printing (.Settings$PrintSettingsActivity)
o Press the "plus" sign to add that shortcut to your homescreen.

3. Voila! 
o You can access any deeply nested Android setting in a single tap!
-- 
See also:
o Is there a way to make an Android homescreen shortcut to any given
settings page such as the battery status?
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/_1oTdgCIpkc>

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#768

From	Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid>
Date	2020-11-26 00:48 +0000
Message-ID	<20201125194609@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to	#761

On 2020-11-25, Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> wrote:
> HELPFUL HINT: I've been pulling up the printer menus so much that this

HELPFUL HINT: Take your stinking bullet points and shove them up your ass.

I thought I killfiled you, jerk, but apparently you engage in nymshifting
as well. No surprise there. People like you are nothing more than disgusting
filth.

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#769

From	Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx>
Date	2020-11-26 02:28 +0000
Message-ID	<i28i6gFcm9U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#768

On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 00:48:25 +0000, Roger Blake wrote:

> On 2020-11-25, Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> wrote:
>> HELPFUL HINT: I've been pulling up the printer menus so much that this
> 
> HELPFUL HINT: Take your stinking bullet points and shove them up your
> ass.
> 
> I thought I killfiled you, jerk, but apparently you engage in
> nymshifting as well. No surprise there. People like you are nothing more
> than disgusting filth.

+1

I had to killfile him again too.

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#770

From	Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
Date	2020-11-26 05:26 +0000
Message-ID	<rpne9h$qla$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#769

On 26 Nov 2020 02:28:32 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

>> I thought I killfiled you, jerk, but apparently you engage in
>> nymshifting as well. No surprise there. People like you are nothing more
>> than disgusting filth.
> 
> +1
> 
> I had to killfile him again too.

Hehhehhehheh... you gotta laugh at these _clearly_ moronic sock puppets.
o The funny thing is I haven't changed anything (not a single thing!).

Clearly that post they react to was an obvious forgery...
o The Blake (aka Eager) sock can't even figure something that simple out!

This idiot sock is _clearly_ an utter moron for 3 reasons easily proven.
1. Only an utter moron couldn't see the post it reacts to is a forgery
2. Not only the headers are completely different but so was the content
3. Even so, this sock puppet (Eager===Blake) reacts to a bullet character?

All that hateful vitriol... for a bullet character????

Given both "Eager" and "Blake" are well known to be the same infantile sock
o Whomever it is, yet again, proved itself to be an utter moron.
-- 
What scares me is not that such easily fooled morons exist, but that
they're so sure of themselves, and yet, clearly, _everything_ they believe
is trivially easily shown to be dead wrong.

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#772

From	Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date	2020-11-26 11:14 +0000
Message-ID	<rpo660.nlc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to	#768

Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
> On 2020-11-25, Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> wrote:
> > HELPFUL HINT: I've been pulling up the printer menus so much that this
> 
> HELPFUL HINT: Take your stinking bullet points and shove them up your ass.
> 
> I thought I killfiled you, jerk, but apparently you engage in nymshifting
> as well. No surprise there. People like you are nothing more than disgusting
> filth.

[Rewind:]

> User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)

  Well, slrn should have no problems fixing this 'problem', would it!? :-)

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#774

From	Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
Date	2020-11-26 16:49 +0000
Message-ID	<rpom9r$ju6$1@neodome.net>
In reply to	#772

On 26 Nov 2020 11:14:07 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

> Well, slrn should have no problems fixing this 'problem', would it!? :-)

Frank Slootweg,

Why do you even respond to those trolls such as Roger Blake clearly is?
o And Ken Blake (neither of whom has ever added any value to this ng)?

FACT: I didn't change anything.
o That means Roger Blake just proved, _again_, he's an utter moron.
o Worse, you morons come out of the woodwork to respond to that moron.

And yet, this Roger Blake has never even once...
o In the entire history of Usenet

Nor has this Ken Blake moron... 
o Ever added _any_ value to this newsgroup.

Yet.... you respond so willingly to these utter morons.
o Just like you did Snit.

How old are you Frank Slootweg?
o Five?

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