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  What PC hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you recommend?  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2020-09-04 17:35 +0000
    Re: What PC hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you recommend?  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2020-09-04 19:19 +0000
    Re: What PC hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you recommend? John McGaw <Nobody@Nowh.ere> - 2020-09-04 15:57 -0400
      Re: What PC hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you recommend? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-09-04 17:51 -0400
        Re: What PC hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you recommend? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2020-09-05 18:27 -0400
          Re: What PC hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you recommend? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-09-05 20:13 -0400
    Re: What PC hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you recommend? "wasbit" <wasbitremove@hotmail.com> - 2020-09-06 10:07 +0100
      Re: What PC hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you recommend?  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2020-09-16 07:18 +0000
      Re: What PC hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you recommend?  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2020-09-16 07:19 +0000
        Re: What PC hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you recommend?  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2020-09-21 22:06 +0000
          Re: What PC hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you recommend? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2020-09-21 15:29 -0700
            Re: What PC hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you recommend?  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2020-09-22 03:58 +0000
              Re: What PC hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you recommend?  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2020-09-22 04:19 +0000

#272 — What PC hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you recommend?

What PC hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you recommend?

o I have a random hardware related BSOD whose cause is unknown to me
  <https://i.postimg.cc/9Q4m7tfM/bsod01.jpg>
  <https://i.postimg.cc/DyNFnJcK/bsod02.jpg>
  <https://i.postimg.cc/XYnhMnR0/bsod10.jpg>
  <https://i.postimg.cc/T2mHpyG6/bsod13.jpg>
  <https://i.postimg.cc/5t6s1ypD/bsod15.jpg>
  <https://i.postimg.cc/T1X0r9GX/bsod16.jpg>
  <https://i.postimg.cc/8khtTqBk/bsod18.jpg>
  <https://i.postimg.cc/LsjxVzL2/bsod19.jpg>

It could be the motherboard, a daughter card, the HDD mechanics, etc.

I first ran the Windows memory diagnostic freeware to no avail:
 <https://i.postimg.cc/d3xZzxrd/bsod24.jpg>
 <https://i.postimg.cc/VvmczfBP/bsod25.jpg>
 <https://i.postimg.cc/kMc0xdvD/bsod26.jpg>

As per the kind suggestions of "n/a" and others, I ran memtest86 freeware
on that old BIOS desktop in an attempt to identify its hardware faults:
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/oL7PTNKu/windows-10-bsod-indicates-a-hardware-problem-but-what-hardware-is-the-problem#post17>

The old BIOS desktop booted a 32GB Memtest86 USB stick to ran overnight, 
finding no errors on 16GB RAM (I stopped it after 5 hours & 6 iterations):
 <https://i.postimg.cc/KY1Yk4WP/memtest02.jpg>

If it's not the RAM, it's something else hardware related (the HDD has been
re-imaged multiple times in its entirety and all extraneous boards and
peripherals have been disconnected).

What other hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you further recommend?
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#273

On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 17:35:14 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

> The old BIOS desktop booted a 32GB Memtest86 USB stick to ran overnight, 
> finding no errors on 16GB RAM (I stopped it after 5 hours & 6 iterations):
>  <https://i.postimg.cc/KY1Yk4WP/memtest02.jpg>

Typo correction "run overnight" (individually and as a block of 2 & 4):
 <https://i.postimg.cc/gc5kc7FP/memtest01.jpg>

To be clear, I'll be running, one by one, the best stress-testing freeware.

I just need to find which are the best apps for stress tests
o Many apps like CPU-Z or GPU-Z are more of a reporting than stress tool.

Here are some of the potential suites I may be testing each evening:
o <https://www.gamespot.com/gallery/diagnose-your-pc-for-faulty-hardware/2900-1640/>
o <https://www.pcworld.com/article/2028882/keep-it-stable-stupid-how-to-stress-test-your-pc-hardware.html>
o <https://www.gearprimer.com/technology/best-tools-stress-test-pc-cpu-ram-gpu/>
o <https://techguided.com/best-tools-to-stress-test-p-cpu-ram-gpu/>
o <https://www.rankred.com/best-tools-stress-test-pc-cpu-gpu-ram/>
etc.

The question here is simply what stress-testing freeware you recommend.
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#274

On 9/4/2020 1:35 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> What PC hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you recommend?
> 
> o I have a random hardware related BSOD whose cause is unknown to me
>    <https://i.postimg.cc/9Q4m7tfM/bsod01.jpg>
>    <https://i.postimg.cc/DyNFnJcK/bsod02.jpg>
>    <https://i.postimg.cc/XYnhMnR0/bsod10.jpg>
>    <https://i.postimg.cc/T2mHpyG6/bsod13.jpg>
>    <https://i.postimg.cc/5t6s1ypD/bsod15.jpg>
>    <https://i.postimg.cc/T1X0r9GX/bsod16.jpg>
>    <https://i.postimg.cc/8khtTqBk/bsod18.jpg>
>    <https://i.postimg.cc/LsjxVzL2/bsod19.jpg>
> 
> It could be the motherboard, a daughter card, the HDD mechanics, etc.
> 
> I first ran the Windows memory diagnostic freeware to no avail:
>   <https://i.postimg.cc/d3xZzxrd/bsod24.jpg>
>   <https://i.postimg.cc/VvmczfBP/bsod25.jpg>
>   <https://i.postimg.cc/kMc0xdvD/bsod26.jpg>
> 
> As per the kind suggestions of "n/a" and others, I ran memtest86 freeware
> on that old BIOS desktop in an attempt to identify its hardware faults:
> <https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/oL7PTNKu/windows-10-bsod-indicates-a-hardware-problem-but-what-hardware-is-the-problem#post17>
> 
> The old BIOS desktop booted a 32GB Memtest86 USB stick to ran overnight,
> finding no errors on 16GB RAM (I stopped it after 5 hours & 6 iterations):
>   <https://i.postimg.cc/KY1Yk4WP/memtest02.jpg>
> 
> If it's not the RAM, it's something else hardware related (the HDD has been
> re-imaged multiple times in its entirety and all extraneous boards and
> peripherals have been disconnected).
> 
> What other hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you further recommend?
> 

Why settle on a hardware problem without proof? In my experience a bad 
driver or glitched OS is equally likely if not more so. Try booting from a 
Linux CD/DVD/STICK and run it for at least a few days and see what happens.

-- 
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can never overcome natural stupidity.

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#277

John McGaw wrote:
> On 9/4/2020 1:35 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
>> What PC hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you recommend?
>>
>> o I have a random hardware related BSOD whose cause is unknown to me
>>    <https://i.postimg.cc/9Q4m7tfM/bsod01.jpg>
>>    <https://i.postimg.cc/DyNFnJcK/bsod02.jpg>
>>    <https://i.postimg.cc/XYnhMnR0/bsod10.jpg>
>>    <https://i.postimg.cc/T2mHpyG6/bsod13.jpg>
>>    <https://i.postimg.cc/5t6s1ypD/bsod15.jpg>
>>    <https://i.postimg.cc/T1X0r9GX/bsod16.jpg>
>>    <https://i.postimg.cc/8khtTqBk/bsod18.jpg>
>>    <https://i.postimg.cc/LsjxVzL2/bsod19.jpg>
>>
>> It could be the motherboard, a daughter card, the HDD mechanics, etc.
>>
>> I first ran the Windows memory diagnostic freeware to no avail:
>>   <https://i.postimg.cc/d3xZzxrd/bsod24.jpg>
>>   <https://i.postimg.cc/VvmczfBP/bsod25.jpg>
>>   <https://i.postimg.cc/kMc0xdvD/bsod26.jpg>
>>
>> As per the kind suggestions of "n/a" and others, I ran memtest86 freeware
>> on that old BIOS desktop in an attempt to identify its hardware faults:
>> <https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/oL7PTNKu/windows-10-bsod-indicates-a-hardware-problem-but-what-hardware-is-the-problem#post17> 
>>
>>
>> The old BIOS desktop booted a 32GB Memtest86 USB stick to ran overnight,
>> finding no errors on 16GB RAM (I stopped it after 5 hours & 6 
>> iterations):
>>   <https://i.postimg.cc/KY1Yk4WP/memtest02.jpg>
>>
>> If it's not the RAM, it's something else hardware related (the HDD has 
>> been
>> re-imaged multiple times in its entirety and all extraneous boards and
>> peripherals have been disconnected).
>>
>> What other hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you further 
>> recommend?
>>
> 
> Why settle on a hardware problem without proof? In my experience a bad 
> driver or glitched OS is equally likely if not more so. Try booting from 
> a Linux CD/DVD/STICK and run it for at least a few days and see what 
> happens.
> 

You can run Prime95 from Linux. That's my favorite.

Normally you'd do that to avoid corrupting the
registry on an (unstable) Windows install. You should
not run Windows or do Windowsy things, until
"proving it's a computer" first.

The Linux ones are static. Which is what you want.
Nice and portable.

https://www.mersenne.org/download/

Make sure your CPU cooler works first, before
running that. Or, the power will go off on overheat
(THERMTRIP).

    Paul

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#287

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 04 Sep 2020 17:51:26 -0400, Paul
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>John McGaw wrote:
>> On 9/4/2020 1:35 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
>>> What PC hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you recommend?
>>>........
>>>
>>> If it's not the RAM, it's something else hardware related (the HDD has 
>>> been
>>> re-imaged multiple times in its entirety and all extraneous boards and
>>> peripherals have been disconnected).
>>>
>>> What other hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you further 
>>> recommend?
>>>
>> 
>> Why settle on a hardware problem without proof? In my experience a bad 
>> driver or glitched OS is equally likely if not more so. Try booting from 
>> a Linux CD/DVD/STICK and run it for at least a few days and see what 
>> happens.
>> 
>
>You can run Prime95 from Linux. That's my favorite.
>
>Normally you'd do that to avoid corrupting the
>registry on an (unstable) Windows install. You should
>not run Windows or do Windowsy things, until
>"proving it's a computer" first.
>
>The Linux ones are static. Which is what you want.
>Nice and portable.
>
>https://www.mersenne.org/download/
>
>Make sure your CPU cooler works first, before
>running that. Or, the power will go off on overheat
>(THERMTRIP).

"We are not responsible for lost prize money, fame, credit, etc. should
someone accidentally or maliciously test the number you
are working on and find it to be prime.  "

Paul, if they are saying they're not responsible, who is?   Will you
chip in if I lose the prize I should have won? 
>    Paul

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#288

micky wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 04 Sep 2020 17:51:26 -0400, Paul
> <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> John McGaw wrote:
>>> On 9/4/2020 1:35 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
>>>> What PC hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you recommend?
>>>> ........
>>>>
>>>> If it's not the RAM, it's something else hardware related (the HDD has 
>>>> been
>>>> re-imaged multiple times in its entirety and all extraneous boards and
>>>> peripherals have been disconnected).
>>>>
>>>> What other hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you further 
>>>> recommend?
>>>>
>>> Why settle on a hardware problem without proof? In my experience a bad 
>>> driver or glitched OS is equally likely if not more so. Try booting from 
>>> a Linux CD/DVD/STICK and run it for at least a few days and see what 
>>> happens.
>>>
>> You can run Prime95 from Linux. That's my favorite.
>>
>> Normally you'd do that to avoid corrupting the
>> registry on an (unstable) Windows install. You should
>> not run Windows or do Windowsy things, until
>> "proving it's a computer" first.
>>
>> The Linux ones are static. Which is what you want.
>> Nice and portable.
>>
>> https://www.mersenne.org/download/
>>
>> Make sure your CPU cooler works first, before
>> running that. Or, the power will go off on overheat
>> (THERMTRIP).
> 
> "We are not responsible for lost prize money, fame, credit, etc. should
> someone accidentally or maliciously test the number you
> are working on and find it to be prime.  "
> 
> Paul, if they are saying they're not responsible, who is?   Will you
> chip in if I lose the prize I should have won? 
>>    Paul
> 

It's a contest, if you snooze, you lose.

First person to evaluate a number and determine primality
claims the prize. Someone also duplicates the effort, as it
looks really bad if a prize is claimed for no reason.

I ported a piece of code using GMP (bignum package), and
it runs at a lethargic pace. Not with the speed of the
FFT method used by the "Prime Guy". However, if you use
Prime95, then the money you get is reduced, as it's
a pool of sorts.

If I used my home grown, slow as molasses program
(does math with 40 million digit numbers), and I happen
to finish first and notice a particular number is a
Mersenne Prime, then I don't share the money with the
"Prime Guy". Maybe I get the money and you don't. However,
i can only evaluate a single number, once in a blue moon,
so I'm not much of a threat. My computer can only do around
twenty 40 million digit calculations per second.

    Paul

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#290

"Arlen   Holder" <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> wrote in message 
news:rittsh$1m7$1@news.mixmin.net...
> What PC hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you recommend?
>
> o I have a random hardware related BSOD whose cause is unknown to me
>  <https://i.postimg.cc/9Q4m7tfM/bsod01.jpg>
>  <https://i.postimg.cc/DyNFnJcK/bsod02.jpg>
>  <https://i.postimg.cc/XYnhMnR0/bsod10.jpg>
>  <https://i.postimg.cc/T2mHpyG6/bsod13.jpg>
>  <https://i.postimg.cc/5t6s1ypD/bsod15.jpg>
>  <https://i.postimg.cc/T1X0r9GX/bsod16.jpg>
>  <https://i.postimg.cc/8khtTqBk/bsod18.jpg>
>  <https://i.postimg.cc/LsjxVzL2/bsod19.jpg>
>
> It could be the motherboard, a daughter card, the HDD mechanics, etc.
>
> I first ran the Windows memory diagnostic freeware to no avail:
> <https://i.postimg.cc/d3xZzxrd/bsod24.jpg>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/VvmczfBP/bsod25.jpg>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/kMc0xdvD/bsod26.jpg>
>
> As per the kind suggestions of "n/a" and others, I ran memtest86 freeware
> on that old BIOS desktop in an attempt to identify its hardware faults:
> <https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/oL7PTNKu/windows-10-bsod-indicates-a-hardware-problem-but-what-hardware-is-the-problem#post17>
>
> The old BIOS desktop booted a 32GB Memtest86 USB stick to ran overnight,
> finding no errors on 16GB RAM (I stopped it after 5 hours & 6 iterations):
> <https://i.postimg.cc/KY1Yk4WP/memtest02.jpg>
>
> If it's not the RAM, it's something else hardware related (the HDD has 
> been
> re-imaged multiple times in its entirety and all extraneous boards and
> peripherals have been disconnected).
>
> What other hardware diagnostic stress-testing freeware can you further 
> recommend?

I've posted a list on alt.comp.freeware.

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wasbit 

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#318

On Sun, 6 Sep 2020 10:07:22 +0100, wasbit wrote:

> I've posted a list on alt.comp.freeware.

Hi wasbit,

Thanks for that purposefully helpful post about stress-test freeware.

I had thought you appended it to the thread on alt.comp.freeware but you
didn't, so I had to look for it, and so that others don't, here it is:
o *Benchmark/Stress Test Freeware*, by wasbit
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/ZIA12GCPuSg>

Update: <https://i.postimg.cc/SxNC7CTy/heavyload01.jpg>

Independently, I came up with a lot of those stress-testing free tools, but
your list is better than what I came up with in that it's more focused.

One by one, I'm likely gonna test many of these stress testing tools, 
as I have a PC that works fine for days on end, and then suddenly BSODs.

I don't (yet) know why.

Moving forward, I picked "HeavyLoad" freeware out of that list to test:
o It has been running all four cores of my CPU at 100% for a while
  <https://i.postimg.cc/SxNC7CTy/heavyload01.jpg>

Here's setup information from my syslogs...
<https://www.jam-software.com/heavyload>
<https://downloads.jam-software.de/heavyload/HeavyLoad-x64-Setup.exe>
  Name: HeavyLoad-x64-Setup.exe
  Size: 15534704 bytes (14 MiB)
  SHA256: D4CE244DDB5EF7DFCE3E650A2ADB3B63964992DE8088DF6716E26B7D440001C8

It wants to go in C:\Program Files\JAM Software\HeavyLoad
I put it where it belongs, in C:\app\hardware\cpu\heavyload
The target is C:\app\hardware\cpu\heavyload\HeavyLoad.exe

In the image, you see I paired it with OCCT to see how the voltages, fan
speeds, power supply, and temperatures fared during the heavy load test.
o <https://i.postimg.cc/SxNC7CTy/heavyload01.jpg>
-- 
I will have a lot of stress testing software to test out coming up.

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#319

On Sun, 6 Sep 2020 10:07:22 +0100, wasbit wrote:

> I've posted a list on alt.comp.freeware.

Hi wasbit,

Thanks for that purposefully helpful post about stress-test freeware.

I had thought you appended it to the thread on alt.comp.freeware but you 
didn't, so I had to look for it, and so that others don't, here it is:
o *Benchmark/Stress Test Freeware*, by wasbit
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/ZIA12GCPuSg>

Update: <https://i.postimg.cc/SxNC7CTy/heavyload01.jpg>

Independently, I came up with a lot of those stress-testing free tools, but 
your list is better than what I came up with in that it's more focused.

One by one, I'm likely gonna test many of these stress testing tools, 
as I have a PC that works fine for days on end, and then suddenly BSODs.

I don't (yet) know why.

Moving forward, I picked "HeavyLoad" freeware out of that list to test:
o It has been running all four cores of my CPU at 100% for a while
  <https://i.postimg.cc/SxNC7CTy/heavyload01.jpg>

Here's setup information from my syslogs...
<https://www.jam-software.com/heavyload>
<https://downloads.jam-software.de/heavyload/HeavyLoad-x64-Setup.exe>
  Name: HeavyLoad-x64-Setup.exe
  Size: 15534704 bytes (14 MiB)
  SHA256: D4CE244DDB5EF7DFCE3E650A2ADB3B63964992DE8088DF6716E26B7D440001C8

It wants to go in C:\Program Files\JAM Software\HeavyLoad
I put it where it belongs, in C:\app\hardware\cpu\heavyload
The target is C:\app\hardware\cpu\heavyload\HeavyLoad.exe

In the image, you see I paired it with OCCT to see how the voltages, fan 
speeds, power supply, and temperatures fared during the heavy load test.
o <https://i.postimg.cc/SxNC7CTy/heavyload01.jpg>
-- 
I will have a lot of stress testing software to test out coming up.

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#361

On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 05:57:45 -0700, Mike Easter wrote:

> Likewise, I think using it for your daily driver is a disadvantage in 
> the diagnosis business.  The tweaked OS has two many unknowns.

Hi Mike,

Here's an update, as I'm still running various diagnostic tools.
o I've dedicated an entire monitor just for 24/7 diagnostics.
  <https://i.postimg.cc/zGMPvwMV/bsoddiag04.jpg>

It hasn't BSOD'd in a few days, running 24/7, where I thought you'd be
interested in a "WhySoSlow" Analysis, after 24 hours of use as the dd:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/tCZVWZcC/bsoddiag01.jpg>
o <https://i.postimg.cc/V6kJ6dMw/bsoddiag02.jpg>
o <https://i.postimg.cc/prgrqCSV/bsoddiag03.jpg>

The only anomaly I see is the mouse every once in a while is glitchy, 
in that it doesn't move for a microsecond and then recovers, which happens
relatively frequently (about once an hour or so on average or so).

But I don't know of any tool, yet, that monitors mouse "glitchiness".
o Do you?

Here is the WhySoSlow analysis, after 24 hours of continuous use:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
OS version: Windows 10, 10.0, version 2004, build: 19041 (x64)
Hardware: NY549AA-ABA p6230y, HP-Pavilion, FOXCONN, ALOE
CPU: AuthenticAMD AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 810 Processor
Logical processors: 4
Processor groups: 1
RAM: 16127 MB total
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 CPU Speed 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Your CPU speed ranged between 2594 Mhz and 2594 MHz. 
The advertised clock speed of your processor is 2594 MHz.
Your main processor was running at its advertised clock speed only. 
Your CPUs do not appear to be throttled down. 
More info..<http://www.resplendence.com/whysoslow_help_cpuspeed>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 CPU Temperature 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Your CPU temperature ranged between 36 °C and 39 °C 
(equal to 96 °F - 102 °F) during the tests. 
Your processors are running cool. 
More info..<http://www.resplendence.com/whysoslow_help_cputemp>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 CPU Load 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
While the test was idle, your CPU usage ranged from 18.7% to 60.8%. 
Your processor's resources do not appear to be used heavily. 
More info..<http://www.resplendence.com/whysoslow_help_cpuload>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Memory Load 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The amount of RAM used by your system while the test was running ranged
from 19.7% to 20.1%. 
More info..<http://www.resplendence.com/whysoslow_help_memload>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Paging Information 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
During the test hard pagefaults ranged from 0.0 to 9.1 pagefaults per second. 
The values reported are considered excellent. 
More info..<http://www.resplendence.com/whysoslow_help_hardpagefaults>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Application responsiveness 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The highest application responsiveness on your system was measured at 0.140 ms. 
This value is considered good. 
Your system appears to be responsive. 
More info..<http://www.resplendence.com/whysoslow_help_appresponsiveness>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Kernel latencies and real-time capabilities 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The highest kernel responsiveness on your system was measured at 0.136 ms.
This value is considered good. 
There do not appear to be drivers causing your system to be unsuitable 
for real-time processing capabilities. 
More info..<http://www.resplendence.com/whysoslow_help_kernelresponsiveness>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 BIOS and chipset behavior 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The highest measured SM BIOS interrupt or other stall was 1 microseconds.
This value is considered excellent. 
No problems have been detected during the tests. 
More info..<http://www.resplendence.com/whysoslow_help_smm>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Conclusion
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Your system has been analyzed. Your system appears to be running fine. 
No problems were found. 
Report generated on 9/21/2020 2:22:22 
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#362

Arlen Holder wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
> 
>> Likewise, I think using it for your daily driver is a disadvantage in
>> the diagnosis business.  The tweaked OS has two many unknowns.
> 
> It hasn't BSOD'd in a few days, running 24/7, where I thought you'd be
> interested in a "WhySoSlow" Analysis, after 24 hours of use as the dd:
> 
> The only anomaly I see is the mouse every once in a while is glitchy,
> in that it doesn't move for a microsecond and then recovers, which happens
> relatively frequently (about once an hour or so on average or so).
> 
What kind of mouse?  USB or PS/2 - optical or ball

> But I don't know of any tool, yet, that monitors mouse "glitchiness".
> o Do you?
> 
No.

> RAM: 16127 MB total
> 
I tho't you were previously using 32G.

> 
> While the test was idle, your CPU usage ranged from 18.7% to 60.8%.
> 
What kind of 'idle' is that? (that is 20-60% cpu?)

> During the test hard pagefaults ranged from 0.0 to 9.1 pagefaults per second.
> The values reported are considered excellent.
> More info..<http://www.resplendence.com/whysoslow_help_hardpagefaults>

I read that page.  I don't understand why there should be the kind of 
pagefaults it is reporting (9/sec) if you have 16G of ram.

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/ask-the-performance-team/the-basics-of-page-faults/ba-p/373120 
  The Basics of Page Faults

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_fault
> Illegal accesses and invalid page faults, as invalid conditions, can result in a segmentation fault or bus error, resulting in programming termination (crash) or core dump, depending on the operating system environment. 

> Major page faults on conventional computers using hard disk drives for storage can have a significant impact on performance, <math operations> then the page fault would make the operation about 40,000 times slower. 



-- 
Mike Easter

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#363

On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 15:29:24 -0700, Mike Easter wrote:

> What kind of mouse?  USB or PS/2 - optical or ball

Hi Mike,
Thanks for asking, where I was hoping to pick folks' brains to locate
specific debugging software to stress test the mouse and its drivers.

The mouse is a USB optical mouse, which is so worn that whatever
manufacturer was printed on the outside is long gone, but the "Mouse
Properties" in the control panel says the manufacturer is Microsoft
and that it's an "HID-compliant mouse".
o Win+R > control main.cpl > Hardware > Properties
But it's easier to just remember this instead:
o Win+R > control mouse
[I strive to do everything from the Win+R menu that I can.]

Looking at the same info in the Device Manager for the mouse:
Win+R > devmgmt.msc 
I noticed I have it set to be able to wake the computer but for the
computer not to turn it off in low power situations, which is fine.

The Sieber USB Device Tree Viewer tells me something completely different
though, as it says the "idVendor" is Lenovo, and the iProduct Language 
is "Lenovo USB Optical Mouse", which I didn't expect since the Device
Manager said it's Microsoft.  Oh oh. Logitech also shows up, so maybe the
USB tree view is "remembering" old devices since the app has been running
for days on end. Let me kill & restart it after clearing out all the USB
entries by running the Sieber "Device Cleanup" tool.

Nope. All three, Microsoft, Lenovo, and Logitech show up in the Sieber USB
Device Tree Viewer for that port. Go figure. 

>> But I don't know of any tool, yet, that monitors mouse "glitchiness".
>> o Do you?
>> 
> No.

Well, what I'll do is swap in another mouse, but all my mice are old, so
maybe it's time to buy a new one. 

> 
>> RAM: 16127 MB total
>> 
> I tho't you were previously using 32G.

Naah. You thought that when you saw the MemTest86 results. 

I saw that you said that it was 32, oh, more than a week ago, but I didn't
correct you 'cuz it didn't matter and we were working on tougher problems,
like solving how to set up the Hirens Boot CD over USB for BIOS instead of
for UEFI.

It's been 16GB all along. :)
 
>> While the test was idle, your CPU usage ranged from 18.7% to 60.8%.
>> 
> What kind of 'idle' is that? (that is 20-60% cpu?)

Well, I dunno. I was just using the PC normally. For me, normal is not
gaming, nor do I run simulations, nor CAD design, etc. 

That was the whole point of the 24 hour test of "WhySoSlow", which was to
check the PC in normal conductions. For sure, I could have run any number
of CPU and GPU and RAM stress testers during that time frame which would
have maxed out everything, but the point was normal use.

Normal use for me is email, reading the news, editing some photos, editing
some MS Word documents, installing some software, etc. You know, normal
stuff. 

>> During the test hard pagefaults ranged from 0.0 to 9.1 pagefaults per second.
>> The values reported are considered excellent.
>> More info..<http://www.resplendence.com/whysoslow_help_hardpagefaults>
> 
> I read that page.  I don't understand why there should be the kind of 
> pagefaults it is reporting (9/sec) if you have 16G of ram.

I don't understand the pagefaults either. 
Why is it dumping stuff out of RAM if it has plenty of RAM?

I also don't understand the kernel responsiveness either bearing in mind
usually the first BSOD is related to a kernel error of some sort:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/9Q4m7tfM/bsod01.jpg> [UNEXPECTED KERNEL MODE TRAP]
o <https://i.postimg.cc/DyNFnJcK/bsod02.jpg> [KERNEL SECURITY CHECK FAILURE]
o <https://i.postimg.cc/zGRNBzdH/bsod03.jpg> [Preparing Automatic Repair]
o <https://i.postimg.cc/9McHJGcy/bsod04.jpg> [Diagnosing your PC]
o <https://i.postimg.cc/qq5fJSyG/bsod05.jpg> [Automatic Repair?]
o <https://i.postimg.cc/JnFKGLYt/bsod06.jpg> [Automatic Repair failed]
o <https://i.postimg.cc/gk3FFSr3/bsod07.jpg> [Reset your PC]
o <https://i.postimg.cc/Pq30z0Fn/bsod08.jpg> [Booting, ferris dots]
o <https://i.postimg.cc/JnSgSZLT/bsod09.jpg> [Lock screen success]
o <https://i.postimg.cc/XYnhMnR0/bsod10.jpg> [MEMORY MANAGEMENT]
o <https://i.postimg.cc/zGpQ89NH/bsod11.jpg> [POST STOPS BEFORE FINISHING]
o <https://i.postimg.cc/1XxCvSG2/bsod12.jpg> [Booting, ferris dots]
o <https://i.postimg.cc/T2mHpyG6/bsod13.jpg> [KERNEL SECURITY CHECK FAILURE]
o <https://i.postimg.cc/g2cMSNhz/bsod14.jpg> [Booting, ferris dots]
o <https://i.postimg.cc/5t6s1ypD/bsod15.jpg> [SYSTEM SERVICE EXCEPTION]
o <https://i.postimg.cc/T1X0r9GX/bsod16.jpg> [KERNEL SECURITY CHECK FAILURE]
o <https://i.postimg.cc/2yFwTZ8L/bsod17.jpg> [Lock screen success]
o <https://i.postimg.cc/8khtTqBk/bsod18.jpg> [UNEXPECTED KERNEL MODE TRAP]


> https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/ask-the-performance-team/the-basics-of-page-faults/ba-p/373120 
>   The Basics of Page Faults
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_fault
>> Illegal accesses and invalid page faults, as invalid conditions, can result in a segmentation fault or bus error, resulting in programming termination (crash) or core dump, depending on the operating system environment. 
> 
>> Major page faults on conventional computers using hard disk drives for storage can have a significant impact on performance, <math operations> then the page fault would make the operation about 40,000 times slower. 

Hmmmmmm... I need to learn more about these page faults.

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#364

On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 03:58:07 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

> The mouse is a USB optical mouse, which is so worn that whatever
> manufacturer was printed on the outside is long gone, but the "Mouse
> Properties" in the control panel says the manufacturer is Microsoft
> and that it's an "HID-compliant mouse".
> o Win+R > control main.cpl > Hardware > Properties
> But it's easier to just remember this instead:
> o Win+R > control mouse
> [I strive to do everything from the Win+R menu that I can.]
> 
> Looking at the same info in the Device Manager for the mouse:
> Win+R > devmgmt.msc 
> I noticed I have it set to be able to wake the computer but for the
> computer not to turn it off in low power situations, which is fine.
> 
> The Sieber USB Device Tree Viewer tells me something completely different
> though, as it says the "idVendor" is Lenovo, and the iProduct Language 
> is "Lenovo USB Optical Mouse", which I didn't expect since the Device
> Manager said it's Microsoft.  Oh oh. Logitech also shows up, so maybe the
> USB tree view is "remembering" old devices since the app has been running
> for days on end. Let me kill & restart it after clearing out all the USB
> entries by running the Sieber "Device Cleanup" tool.
> 
> Nope. All three, Microsoft, Lenovo, and Logitech show up in the Sieber USB
> Device Tree Viewer for that port. Go figure.

So I plug in a mouse that says it's a "GE" mouse (who knew that GE made
mice?), and I clear out the old USB devices in the registry and I restart
the Sieber USB Tree View, and now it doesn't say Lenovo or Microsoft
anymore for that mouse.

It doesn't say GE or General Electric either. 
o It just says "USB Optical Mouse"

The Device Manager says "Microsoft Mouse" so I think that's what it must
say for all mice, AFAICT.

Funny thing is I pressed "View all Events" in teh device manager for the
mouse and it said "Add snap-in" whatever that is, and then after a minute
of that "Adding snap-in to console" stuff, it brought up the event viewer.
o <https://i.postimg.cc/mDCjtT7K/mousediag01.jpg>

But the events were just the plugin and plugout that I just did.
o What's this "Snap-in" stuff anyway?
  <https://kb.iu.edu/d/ajlv>
  Win+R > mmc > File > Add/Remove Snap-in > 
   (Jesus, there are a lot!)

Anyway, in the twenty or so minutes using this second mouse it hasn't hung
up so I suspect time will tell, but maybe that one particular mouse if
flaky (although it's got a good connection as Sieber would have told me if
it had disconnected momentarily).

Anyway, I think I need a new mouse. :)

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