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“The end of software secrecy is almost upon us"

Started byLynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
First post2026-10-13 23:18 -0500
Last post2026-11-02 10:30 +0100
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  “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 23:18 -0500
    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" De ongekruisigde ds. <ongekruisigde-ds@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 06:36 +0000
    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-14 18:30 +0800
      Transpiling from Pascal to Rust (was: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us") ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-10-14 11:35 +0000
      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "De ongekruisigde ds." <ongekruisigde-ds@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 11:37 +0000
        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-14 19:59 +0800
          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-14 07:35 -0700
            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-14 11:57 -0400
            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-14 23:02 +0000
              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-14 16:11 -0700
                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 16:36 -0700
                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-15 07:47 +0800
                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-15 00:22 +0000
                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-14 20:25 -0700
                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-15 04:54 +0000
                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 22:50 -0700
                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-15 07:26 -0700
                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-15 21:14 +0000
                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-15 14:21 -0700
                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-15 21:41 +0000
                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 16:29 -0700
          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 13:07 -0400
            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-10-14 14:04 -0500
              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 19:34 +0000
                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-15 05:55 +0800
                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-14 22:11 +0000
              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-14 20:42 -0400
                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 21:43 -0500
                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-15 11:22 -0400
                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-10-15 10:40 -0500
                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-18 09:20 +0000
                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-18 10:34 -0400
                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-19 06:57 +0000
                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 15:44 -0400
                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-19 20:09 +0000
                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 16:10 -0500
                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 18:08 -0400
                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 17:10 -0500
                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 18:57 -0400
                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 05:28 +0000
                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-20 18:46 +1300
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 13:20 -0400
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:27 +0800
                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-20 18:14 +0000
                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-20 14:22 -0400
                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-20 18:29 +0000
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 15:06 -0500
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 20:20 +0000
                                              Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 10:54 +0100
                                                Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2026-11-02 11:11 +0100
                                                  Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-02 16:51 +0000
                                                    Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:06 +0000
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 19:32 -0400
                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-21 03:31 +0000
                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-21 04:31 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-10-21 10:41 -0400
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-21 14:53 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2026-10-21 15:57 +0000
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-21 16:02 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:37 +0000
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 11:05 +0800
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-21 20:07 -0700
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 14:22 +0800
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-22 04:22 +0000
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-21 07:37 -0700
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 12:17 -0700
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:36 +0000
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 09:21 +0800
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:40 -0400
                                            Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 10:58 +0100
                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-20 19:04 +0000
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 19:54 +0000
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 20:00 +0000
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-20 23:18 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:27 +0000
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-21 03:22 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 05:35 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 20:09 +0800
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-20 23:20 +0000
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:49 -0400
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:15 +0100
                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-20 20:49 +0000
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 14:36 -0400
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-21 16:11 +1300
                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 05:37 +0000
                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 00:48 -0500
                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-20 09:39 -0400
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-20 21:51 +0800
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 15:50 +0000
                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-20 16:41 -0400
                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:48 -0700
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 14:48 -0400
                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 17:15 +0000
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-20 17:24 +0000
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-20 20:50 +0200
                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 19:06 -0700
                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 07:47 +0000
                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-21 11:06 -0400
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 23:10 +0800
                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-21 12:29 -0400
                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 17:50 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-21 14:12 -0700
                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:51 +0000
                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-22 12:19 -0400
                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:01 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:15 +0800
                                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:16 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 09:06 -0700
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:37 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 10:32 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-23 14:09 -0400
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:02 -0700
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-23 20:36 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-23 20:28 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-24 13:47 -0400
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-24 21:38 +0000
                                                                  Re: �The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2026-10-25 08:11 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-25 09:30 +0000
                                                                      Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-25 08:37 -0700
                                                                        Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-25 08:42 -0700
                                                                      Re: ?The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2026-10-26 07:59 +0000
                                                                        Re: ?The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-26 10:33 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:30 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-23 20:28 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:50 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-24 08:18 +0000
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:49 -0500
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-24 08:20 +0000
                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-24 13:53 -0400
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-24 12:07 -0600
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2026-10-25 08:22 +0000
                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:32 +0000
                                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-25 08:10 -0400
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 13:58 -0400
                                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-25 19:06 -0400
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 17:07 -0700
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 22:54 -0400
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 03:47 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-26 08:29 +1100
                                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-10-25 20:10 -0400
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2026-10-25 01:03 +1100
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 17:08 -0500
                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-23 14:01 -0400
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:02 -0700
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:57 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-23 23:31 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 17:04 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 03:44 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:04 -0700
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-24 21:38 +0000
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:43 -0700
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-22 19:05 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-22 22:48 +0300
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:05 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-23 11:42 +0300
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 09:18 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:57 -0400
                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-23 18:24 +0000
                                                            Whilst All The Computer Experts are Visiting r.a.sf.w. Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-24 16:12 +1300
                                                              Re: Whilst All The Computer Experts are Visiting r.a.sf.w. Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 15:22 +0800
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 17:40 -0400
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-23 18:50 -0400
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 16:56 -0700
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 16:27 -0400
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 15:36 -0500
                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-21 19:20 -0400
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-21 17:57 +0200
                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 18:02 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-21 20:26 +0200
                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 18:48 +0000
                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 19:01 +0000
                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:50 +0000
                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-22 16:02 +0000
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-22 16:25 -0400
                                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-22 22:01 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-23 11:28 +0200
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-23 10:21 -0400
                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-23 20:49 +0000
                                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 07:58 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:06 +0800
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-23 11:56 +0300
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 17:15 +0800
                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-22 16:22 +0000
                                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:03 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:58 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:06 -0700
                                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-23 20:45 +0000
                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-24 08:21 +0000
                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-24 14:25 +0000
                                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-24 14:51 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 22:55 +0800
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:07 -0700
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-24 07:26 -0700
                                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-24 13:57 -0400
                                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:34 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:19 -0700
                                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 10:01 +0000
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:03 -0700
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:59 +0000
                                                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 09:01 +0000
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-28 09:47 -0600
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:04 -0700
                                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-29 16:19 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 12:49 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-30 11:21 +0000
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 22:09 +0200
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 20:16 -0700
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 09:08 +0000
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-28 22:05 +0200
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-29 16:16 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:21 -0700
                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-24 16:41 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-24 12:17 -0700
                                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-24 21:24 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 01:11 +0300
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 00:28 +0000
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 08:42 +0200
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 13:32 +0000
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-25 15:59 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 16:15 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 16:29 +0000
                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 17:18 +0000
                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 09:54 +0000
                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-26 09:50 -0400
                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-26 16:58 +0000
                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-26 15:32 -0400
                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:31 -0700
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:41 +0000
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 13:34 +0000
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-25 08:41 -0700
                                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 17:06 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2026-10-25 10:19 -0700
                                                                                Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:03 -0400
                                                                                  Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 12:21 -0600
                                                                                Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-25 19:26 +0100
                                                                                  Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 12:29 -0600
                                                                                    Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-25 19:59 +0100
                                                                                Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-26 09:43 +1300
                                                                                  Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-25 19:54 -0700
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 16:13 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 16:17 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 16:32 +0000
                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 17:14 +0000
                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 09:51 +0000
                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 22:04 +0200
                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 09:06 +0000
                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-28 21:47 +0200
                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:09 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-29 16:20 +0000
                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-29 23:07 +0200
                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-29 22:26 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-30 00:54 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-30 02:22 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-30 10:59 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-30 11:25 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-30 15:23 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-30 16:07 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-10-30 20:37 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-30 22:35 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-31 04:14 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-31 05:37 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-31 09:47 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-31 19:56 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-01 08:32 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-01 21:59 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-02 15:43 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-02 16:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 08:48 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-11-04 11:24 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 16:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-11-04 23:53 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-06 15:38 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-06 16:39 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-02 23:46 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 15:02 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 15:03 -0800
                                                                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-03 21:51 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-03 13:10 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 08:54 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 15:00 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 14:59 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 08:54 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:22 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 16:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 10:56 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 19:53 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-11-04 14:17 -0600
                                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:24 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:40 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 15:06 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:42 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 21:09 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 21:11 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 07:15 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-06 19:22 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-31 09:45 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-31 09:38 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-31 13:11 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-01 08:33 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 18:03 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-02 15:44 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 14:34 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-31 13:14 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-01 08:34 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 18:04 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-02 15:45 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 14:33 -0800
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 22:56 +0200
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 17:22 -0700
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 09:59 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-26 14:41 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 16:16 +0000
                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 21:45 +0200
                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:12 -0700
                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 22:40 +0200
                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:44 -0700
                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 08:58 +0000
                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:05 -0700
                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:06 -0700
                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-29 00:06 +0200
                                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-29 16:22 +0000
                                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-29 22:39 +0200
                                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-29 15:13 -0700
                                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-29 22:25 +0000
                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-30 02:10 +0000
                                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-30 11:25 +0000
                                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-30 11:05 -0700
                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 06:17 +0800
                                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 14:54 -0800
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:05 -0700
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-25 10:45 +0100
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 20:44 -0700
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-27 09:06 +0100
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-27 10:22 +0200
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-27 10:40 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-27 15:03 +0000
                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:34 -0800
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-25 15:56 +0000
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:20 -0700
                                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:37 +0000
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 22:24 +0200
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:01 -0700
                                                                  Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:42 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:03 -0700
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:12 -0700
                                                                Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:31 +0000
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:22 -0700
                                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 10:02 +0000
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 13:10 -0600
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-27 08:43 +1300
                                                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 08:57 +0000
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-28 08:39 -0600
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:20 -0700
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 09:51 +0800
                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:54 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-22 22:44 +0300
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 15:41 -0500
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                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:56 +0000
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                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-23 11:34 +0200
                                                          Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 10:11 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 09:55 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:25 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-24 12:38 +0200
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                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:46 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 16:58 -0700
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 17:00 -0700
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 03:39 +0000
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:51 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-27 05:56 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:36 -0800
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-23 21:00 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 05:14 +0800
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:49 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-10-25 16:31 +0100
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-25 20:07 +0000
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:36 -0700
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:02 +0800
                                                        Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:14 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:22 +0800
                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 09:15 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 18:15 +0800
                                                      Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:10 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-22 09:20 +0200
                                                    Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:58 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 03:52 +0800
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:38 -0800
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-20 12:11 -0700
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:29 +0000
                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 07:42 +0000
                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 07:55 +0000
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 08:05 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-21 07:41 -0700
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:40 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:23 +0000
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:53 +0000
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-22 19:05 +0000
                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-21 13:27 +0000
                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:24 +0000
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 09:14 +0800
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 02:00 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 02:17 +0000
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 03:35 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 04:33 +0000
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 04:50 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 04:56 +0000
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 14:34 +0800
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 07:31 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 16:40 +0800
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-22 11:18 -0400
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 03:33 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 04:22 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-23 05:54 +0000
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:20 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-23 19:38 +0000
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 05:19 +0800
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 06:29 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-22 07:26 -0700
                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 03:19 +0000
                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 22:29 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 06:25 +0000
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-23 11:45 +0200
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 09:57 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:43 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:50 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-24 12:43 +0200
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:29 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 09:02 -0700
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:19 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:56 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:42 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 17:01 -0700
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 03:33 +0000
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:26 -0700
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:27 -0700
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 22:32 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:57 -0700
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 20:09 -0700
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 22:32 +0000
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:28 -0700
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 03:43 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:23 -0700
                                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:46 +0000
                                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 14:51 -0700
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:29 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:43 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 17:01 -0700
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:00 -0700
                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 16:16 -0700
                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 00:42 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:11 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 03:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:26 -0700
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:45 +0000
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 14:47 -0700
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-27 11:00 -0400
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-27 09:41 -0700
                                                                            Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-27 18:36 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:48 -0800
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-27 22:22 +0000
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-27 21:35 -0400
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-28 01:43 +0000
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-27 22:18 -0400
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-27 19:28 -0700
                                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:16 -0700
                                                                                Re: Structured Programming (was Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us”) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 23:38 +0000
                                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:21 -0700
                                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 03:40 +0000
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:29 -0700
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:33 -0700
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:45 +0000
                                                                          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 14:53 -0700
                                                                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 22:20 +0000
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 15:42 -0700
                                                                              Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 16:06 -0700
                                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-26 22:29 +0100
                                                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 14:58 -0700
                                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 15:46 -0700
                                                Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-22 03:46 +0000
                                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 04:51 +0000
                                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-22 06:39 +0000
                                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 16:54 -0700
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-20 12:10 -0700
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 15:20 -0500
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 21:20 +0000
                                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:26 -0500
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:35 +0000
                                    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:30 +0000
                                      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 20:21 +0800
                                  Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 17:03 -0400
                            Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-19 16:26 -0600
                              Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 19:01 -0400
                        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 13:09 -0700
      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon  us" WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2026-10-14 08:52 -0400
        Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-15 06:15 +0800
    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 14:26 -0700
    Re: The_end_of_software_secrecy_is_almost_upon_us legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2026-10-15 14:56 +0000
      Re: The_end_of_software_secrecy_is_almost_upon_us Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 14:07 -0500
        Re: The_end_of_software_secrecy_is_almost_upon_us ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-15 19:18 +0000
          Re: The_end_of_software_secrecy_is_almost_upon_us Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 15:02 -0500
    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-15 11:05 -0400
      Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 14:13 -0500
        Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Jay Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.me> - 2026-10-15 20:35 -0500
          Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 00:27 -0500
    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" John Smith <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-30 05:04 +0000
    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" anthk <anthk@disroot.org> - 2026-10-31 18:02 +0000
    Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 10:30 +0100

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#211 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-21 01:15 +0100
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11b9079$3fe2f$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#192
On 2026-10-20, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-10-20, boltar@battlestar.co.uk <boltar@battlestar.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 13:20:40 -0400
>>
>> Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/20/2026 1:46 AM, Titus G wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought that what was called Structured Programming became an
>>>> inviolable law when invented by whom I do not know but suspect that
>>>> bugger for the bottle or even earlier.
>>>
>>> ITYM:
>>>
>>> Edgar Dijkstra: Go To Statement Considered Harmful
>>
>> A man who clearly never programmed in assembler.
>
> Of course.  He was a CS weenie - any mention of low-level
> programming makes those types turn purple.
>
> Although Structured Programming introduced some good concepts,
> it also built a following of fanatics more bent on crucifying
> infidels than writing good practical programs.  Some people
> came to see the number of function calls a program made as
> a figure of merit, resulting in dozens of tiny functions that
> caused control to jump all over the place (which made virtual
> memory systems thrash).  And the end result wasn't that much
> more readable.
>
> The undisciplined use of GOTOs is bad, agreed.  But the
> undisciplined use of function calls isn't a whole lot better.
> After all, a function call is just a GOTO paired with a
> "come from", so in the end it's all still spaghetti code -
> it's just that the "structured" code runs double strands.

The "come from" IIRC is the key part here. If you use a function (and
don't goto into its body, as that would undo the benefit here), you can
analyze the function as a block with clearly defined flows and
separately from the rest of the program.

The criticism isn't about not putting everything into its own function,
it's about how using functions and other flow control structures instead
of e.g. gotos makes it easier to study and reason about these parts of
the code.

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#202 — Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2026-10-20 20:49 +0000
SubjectRe: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<stQBS.93249$Q3f.77012@fx05.iad>
In reply to#186
boltar@battlestar.co.uk writes:
>On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 13:20:40 -0400
>Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On 10/20/2026 1:46 AM, Titus G wrote:
>>> On 20/10/2026 18:28, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>>>> Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> schrieb:
>>>>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> One of the things that I am enjoying is that F2C gets rid of about 75%
>>>>>> of the Fortran Gotos.  The remaining 25% Gotos usually make some sense.
>>>>>> Ok, a little sense that any C or C++ programmer would have never used a
>>>>>> goto there.
>>>>>
>>>>> It drives me up the wall when people use a goto to jump out of a do loop.
>>>>> The compiler is doing so much cleanup work that the programmer never sees.
>>>>
>>>> Again, care to give an example?
>>> 
>>> I thought that what was called Structured Programming became an
>>> inviolable law when invented by whom I do not know but suspect that
>>> bugger for the bottle or even earlier.
>>
>>ITYM:
>>
>>Edgar Dijkstra: Go To Statement Considered Harmful
>
>A man who clearly never programmed in assembler.
>

Actually, it's highly likely he did program in assembler.

He was a Burroughs fellow for a decade however, working
on the large systems family which did not have an
assembler - flavors of Algol were the only way to write
systems (e.g. MCP) code.

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#189

FromWilliam Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-20 14:36 -0400
Message-ID<11b8cb4$39a00$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#183
Cryptoengineer wrote:
> On 10/20/2026 1:46 AM, Titus G wrote:
>> On 20/10/2026 18:28, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>>> Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> schrieb:
>>>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> One of the things that I am enjoying is that F2C gets rid of about 75%
>>>>> of the Fortran Gotos.  The remaining 25% Gotos usually make some 
>>>>> sense.
>>>>> Ok, a little sense that any C or C++ programmer would have never 
>>>>> used a
>>>>> goto there.
>>>>
>>>> It drives me up the wall when people use a goto to jump out of a do 
>>>> loop.
>>>> The compiler is doing so much cleanup work that the programmer never 
>>>> sees.
>>>
>>> Again, care to give an example?
>>
>> I thought that what was called Structured Programming became an
>> inviolable law when invented by whom I do not know but suspect that
>> bugger for the bottle or even earlier.
> 
> ITYM:
> 
> Edgar Dijkstra: Go To Statement Considered Harmful
> 
> https://homepages.cwi.nl/~storm/teaching/reader/Dijkstra68.pdf
>
First year computer science prof:

"When I first learned to program I thanked god for the goto statement. 
Now I hate the very sight of it".

Luckily I took German instead.

My own code was liberally festooned with goto statments, but as far as I 
can recall I never put a pointer in common.

Using goto to exit loops?  I can't recall doing that.  But I can't rule 
it out.

William Hyde

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#217

FromTitus G <noone@nowhere.com>
Date2026-10-21 16:11 +1300
Message-ID<11b9aj5$3ipp4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#183
On 21/10/2026 06:20, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> On 10/20/2026 1:46 AM, Titus G wrote:
>> On 20/10/2026 18:28, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>>> Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> schrieb:
>>>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> One of the things that I am enjoying is that F2C gets rid of about 75%
>>>>> of the Fortran Gotos.  The remaining 25% Gotos usually make some
>>>>> sense.
>>>>> Ok, a little sense that any C or C++ programmer would have never
>>>>> used a
>>>>> goto there.
>>>>
>>>> It drives me up the wall when people use a goto to jump out of a do
>>>> loop.
>>>> The compiler is doing so much cleanup work that the programmer never
>>>> sees.
>>>
>>> Again, care to give an example?
>>
>> I thought that what was called Structured Programming became an
>> inviolable law when invented by whom I do not know but suspect that
>> bugger for the bottle or even earlier.
> 
> ITYM:
> 
> Edgar Dijkstra: Go To Statement Considered Harmful
> 
> https://homepages.cwi.nl/~storm/teaching/reader/Dijkstra68.pdf
> 
> pt

Not Aristotle but the date on that PDF was 1968.
Initially we used to write spaghetti in Burroughs Assembler and machine
language but after less than a year of my employment, newer larger
hardware including a reliable hard disk was purchased by the commercial
bureau and everything was rewritten using Structured Programming and
COBOL which had a marvellously fast file indexing system and it became
possible to read other programmers' programs with such advantages being
great for the bureau but not so demanding and therefore rewarding for
programmers.

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#222

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-10-21 05:37 +0000
Message-ID<11b9j26$3l77q$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#217
On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 16:11:28 +1300, Titus G wrote:

> ... everything was rewritten using Structured Programming and COBOL
> which had a marvellously fast file indexing system and it became
> possible to read other programmers' programs with such advantages
> being great for the bureau but not so demanding and therefore
> rewarding for programmers.

But then, business procedures moved away from ISAM files to embrace
relational databases instead, and it turned out COBOL was a poor fit
for managing SQL queries.

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#178

FromLynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-20 00:48 -0500
Message-ID<11b6vc4$2npqv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#174
On 10/19/2026 5:57 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> One of the things that I am enjoying is that F2C gets rid of about 75%
>> of the Fortran Gotos.  The remaining 25% Gotos usually make some sense.
>> Ok, a little sense that any C or C++ programmer would have never used a
>> goto there.
> 
> It drives me up the wall when people use a goto to jump out of a do loop.
> The compiler is doing so much cleanup work that the programmer never sees.
> --scott

Why do you care about unseen work that the compiler is doing?  I 
guarantee that most programmers in these 64 bit days do not care.

Lynn

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#179

Fromkludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
Date2026-10-20 09:39 -0400
Message-ID<11b7qtk$cde$1@panix2.panix.com>
In reply to#178
Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 10/19/2026 5:57 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> One of the things that I am enjoying is that F2C gets rid of about 75%
>>> of the Fortran Gotos.  The remaining 25% Gotos usually make some sense.
>>> Ok, a little sense that any C or C++ programmer would have never used a
>>> goto there.
>> 
>> It drives me up the wall when people use a goto to jump out of a do loop.
>> The compiler is doing so much cleanup work that the programmer never sees.
>
>Why do you care about unseen work that the compiler is doing?  I 
>guarantee that most programmers in these 64 bit days do not care.

Because I want my code to run fast!  I do very much seem to be in the 
minority today, it is true.
--scott
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#180

FromJohann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid>
Date2026-10-20 21:51 +0800
Message-ID<wlKBS.73568$0_s8.2091@fx09.ams4>
In reply to#179
On 10/20/2026 9:39 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 10/19/2026 5:57 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> One of the things that I am enjoying is that F2C gets rid of about 75%
>>>> of the Fortran Gotos.  The remaining 25% Gotos usually make some sense.
>>>> Ok, a little sense that any C or C++ programmer would have never used a
>>>> goto there.
>>>
>>> It drives me up the wall when people use a goto to jump out of a do loop.
>>> The compiler is doing so much cleanup work that the programmer never sees.
>>
>> Why do you care about unseen work that the compiler is doing?  I
>> guarantee that most programmers in these 64 bit days do not care.
> 
> Because I want my code to run fast!  I do very much seem to be in the
> minority today, it is true.
> --scott

I presume you're working on some /hot code/, and will comment according-
ly.

I've come across complaints -- that I don't have handy -- that compilers
sometimes under-optimize, or otherwise cannot be told to do the right
thing.  One memorable complaint was the inability of then-GCC to align
a specific loop to the cache -- I believe a 16 byte boundary -- it was
only everything -- with the resulting drop in performance everywhere
else -- or nothing because there was no #pragma nor [[attribute]] to say
/this loop needs to be cache aligned/.


What do you do in these circumstances?  Has this happened to you at all?
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#181

FromThomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de>
Date2026-10-20 15:50 +0000
Message-ID<11b82jv$356cu$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#180
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> schrieb:

> I've come across complaints -- that I don't have handy -- that compilers
> sometimes under-optimize, or otherwise cannot be told to do the right
> thing.

https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=SUSPENDED&bug_status=WAITING&bug_status=REOPENED&cf_known_to_fail_type=allwords&cf_known_to_work_type=allwords&keywords=missed-optimization%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&limit=0&list_id=536399&order=priority%2Cbug_severity&query_format=advanced

gives you (as of now) 4588 exammples.

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#201

Fromkludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
Date2026-10-20 16:41 -0400
Message-ID<11b8jm7$8a2$1@panix2.panix.com>
In reply to#180
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson  <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote:
>On 10/20/2026 9:39 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> Because I want my code to run fast!  I do very much seem to be in the
>> minority today, it is true.
>
>I presume you're working on some /hot code/, and will comment according-
>ly.

It's not super hot, but it's often pretty dense dsp stuff and requires
extensive commenting to describe exactly what equations are for and how
they are being used.

Unfortunately so much of the code I deal with has comments like

C      BRAINDAMAGE!  ROCKWELL-COLLINS BRAINDAMAGE!

Which are expressive and they are good warnings that something is about
to follow which has to do with hardware design deficiencies but not 
actually very informative about what they are.

>I've come across complaints -- that I don't have handy -- that compilers
>sometimes under-optimize, or otherwise cannot be told to do the right
>thing.  One memorable complaint was the inability of then-GCC to align
>a specific loop to the cache -- I believe a 16 byte boundary -- it was
>only everything -- with the resulting drop in performance everywhere
>else -- or nothing because there was no #pragma nor [[attribute]] to say
>/this loop needs to be cache aligned/.

There used to be a lot of complaints like that around here, but these
days gcc is so much better than it was even a decade ago.  The new 
gfortran is not perfect but it's entirely acceptable and takes advantage
of the good backend developed for gcc.  The older g77 was excruciating.
I'd read the .a files that came out and just want to hit my head on the
desk.

>What do you do in these circumstances?  Has this happened to you at all?

I go home and I have a drink and I try not to think about it.  Yes, it
could run a lot better but....
--scott

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#210

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-20 16:48 -0700
Message-ID<11b8uji$3fjht$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#201
On 10/20/2026 1:41 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson  <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote:
>> On 10/20/2026 9:39 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> Because I want my code to run fast!  I do very much seem to be in the
>>> minority today, it is true.
>>
>> I presume you're working on some /hot code/, and will comment according-
>> ly.
> 
> It's not super hot, but it's often pretty dense dsp stuff and requires
> extensive commenting to describe exactly what equations are for and how
> they are being used.
> 
> Unfortunately so much of the code I deal with has comments like
> 
> C      BRAINDAMAGE!  ROCKWELL-COLLINS BRAINDAMAGE!
> 
> Which are expressive and they are good warnings that something is about
> to follow which has to do with hardware design deficiencies but not
> actually very informative about what they are.
> 
>> I've come across complaints -- that I don't have handy -- that compilers
>> sometimes under-optimize, or otherwise cannot be told to do the right
>> thing.  One memorable complaint was the inability of then-GCC to align
>> a specific loop to the cache -- I believe a 16 byte boundary -- it was
>> only everything -- with the resulting drop in performance everywhere
>> else -- or nothing because there was no #pragma nor [[attribute]] to say
>> /this loop needs to be cache aligned/.
> 
> There used to be a lot of complaints like that around here, but these
> days gcc is so much better than it was even a decade ago.  The new
> gfortran is not perfect but it's entirely acceptable and takes advantage
> of the good backend developed for gcc.  The older g77 was excruciating.
> I'd read the .a files that came out and just want to hit my head on the
> desk.
> 
>> What do you do in these circumstances?  Has this happened to you at all?
> 
> I go home and I have a drink and I try not to think about it.  Yes, it
> could run a lot better but....
A drink? Ahh some brain coolants. Well, they are needed from time to 
time... ;^D

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#190

FromWilliam Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-20 14:48 -0400
Message-ID<11b8d19$39j8i$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#179
Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 10/19/2026 5:57 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> One of the things that I am enjoying is that F2C gets rid of about 75%
>>>> of the Fortran Gotos.  The remaining 25% Gotos usually make some sense.
>>>> Ok, a little sense that any C or C++ programmer would have never used a
>>>> goto there.
>>>
>>> It drives me up the wall when people use a goto to jump out of a do loop.
>>> The compiler is doing so much cleanup work that the programmer never sees.
>>
>> Why do you care about unseen work that the compiler is doing?  I
>> guarantee that most programmers in these 64 bit days do not care.
> 
> Because I want my code to run fast!  I do very much seem to be in the
> minority today, it is true.

We simply didn't have the computer resources to run my PhD code 
normally.  I spoke to more experienced programmers and learned many 
tricks to speed things up.  This probably knocked a year off my PhD, to 
the great benefit of my sanity and financial health.

And in climate modelling, these tricks proved useful again and again.  A 
month spent optimizing code could save a year on a big project. We were 
always pushing the limits of whatever our computers could do.


The first general circulation model I worked with was a spectral model 
using spherical harmonics out to order twenty or so.  The last went to 
order 178.  Give us a faster computer and we'll bog it down immediately.

Mind you the movie of the T178 storm tracks in the last ice age was a 
wonder to behold.

As a coder I was at best 3/10 in scientific code.  At accelerating 
scientific code, maybe 5.

At game development, 0.01.

William Hyde

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#182

FromThomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de>
Date2026-10-20 17:15 +0000
Message-ID<11b87jg$37b7t$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#178
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:
> On 10/19/2026 5:57 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> One of the things that I am enjoying is that F2C gets rid of about 75%
>>> of the Fortran Gotos.  The remaining 25% Gotos usually make some sense.
>>> Ok, a little sense that any C or C++ programmer would have never used a
>>> goto there.
>> 
>> It drives me up the wall when people use a goto to jump out of a do loop.
>> The compiler is doing so much cleanup work that the programmer never sees.

I'd really like to know what that cleanup work is supposed to be (as
somebody who is involved with Fortran compiler development).

I am beginning to suspect that Scott is the only person in the
world who sees this supposed inefficiency.

>> --scott
>
> Why do you care about unseen work that the compiler is doing?  I 
> guarantee that most programmers in these 64 bit days do not care.

For very many problems, there is no need to be efficient - it very
certainly does not matter if a program that is executed once takes
0.01 s or 0.1s.

But the attitude of not caring about speed can have grave results
when the inefficiencies pile up.  People who use Python for
everything may find that instead of 0.1 s, their code suddenly
runs for hours, when it would need seconds in a compiled language.

Or look at the pile of resource-wasting junk like Microsoft
Teams runnig on top of the pile of resource-wasting junk called
Microsoft Windows.  Teams grabs a humungous amount of memory so 16
GB is borderline unusable in a commercial enviroment.  Makes the
recent memory price hike all the more interesting...

Don't know about your code, but I remember waiting a long time
for Aspen simulations... but then again, those diverge from
a converged solution, which shows that if Aspen has the first
clue about numerical methods, they are very good at hiding it.

I just hope your software is better, at least in that respect.

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#184 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

Fromboltar@battlestar.co.uk
Date2026-10-20 17:24 +0000
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11b884b$p2o9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#182
On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 17:15:28 -0000 (UTC)
Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:
>> On 10/19/2026 5:57 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> One of the things that I am enjoying is that F2C gets rid of about 75%
>>>> of the Fortran Gotos.  The remaining 25% Gotos usually make some sense.
>>>> Ok, a little sense that any C or C++ programmer would have never used a
>>>> goto there.
>>> 
>>> It drives me up the wall when people use a goto to jump out of a do loop.
>>> The compiler is doing so much cleanup work that the programmer never sees.
>
>I'd really like to know what that cleanup work is supposed to be (as
>somebody who is involved with Fortran compiler development).

If C/C++ had multi level break and continue keywords goto would almost
never be needed**. There's no reason they can't be added - along with a lot of
other useful but basic fatures (eg non POD switch, native concatting numbers to 
std::string without calling to_string) - but I guess the committee are too busy
circle jerking with esoteric crap no one will ever use (eg concepts) to bother.

** The setting a flag method which has to be checked in every nested loop test 
   is just an assinine way to code.

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#191 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-10-20 20:50 +0200
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11b8d6i$39gd9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#184
On 20/10/2026 19:24, boltar@battlestar.co.uk wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 17:15:28 -0000 (UTC)
> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:
>>> On 10/19/2026 5:57 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> One of the things that I am enjoying is that F2C gets rid of about 75%
>>>>> of the Fortran Gotos.  The remaining 25% Gotos usually make some sense.
>>>>> Ok, a little sense that any C or C++ programmer would have never used a
>>>>> goto there.
>>>>
>>>> It drives me up the wall when people use a goto to jump out of a do loop.
>>>> The compiler is doing so much cleanup work that the programmer never sees.
>>
>> I'd really like to know what that cleanup work is supposed to be (as
>> somebody who is involved with Fortran compiler development).
> 
> If C/C++ had multi level break and continue keywords goto would almost
> never be needed**. There's no reason they can't be added - along with a lot of
> other useful but basic fatures (eg non POD switch, native concatting numbers to
> std::string without calling to_string) - but I guess the committee are too busy
> circle jerking with esoteric crap no one will ever use (eg concepts) to bother.
> 

Multi-level break and continue (named loops) is on its way to C++, and 
will almost certainly be accepted sooner or later (since it is already 
in the draft of the next C standard):

<https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2025/p3568r0.html>

And people /do/ use concepts, even if you do not.

You might want to do some research before insulting the people who are 
actually doing the work in driving languages forward.

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#216 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-20 19:06 -0700
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11b96nm$3h5oi$3@kst.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#191
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
[...]
> Multi-level break and continue (named loops) is on its way to C++, and
> will almost certainly be accepted sooner or later (since it is already
> in the draft of the next C standard):
>
> <https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2025/p3568r0.html>

Named break and continue are in the latest C2y draft:

https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n3886.pdf

They have been proposed for C++, but as far as I can tell have not
(yet?) been incorporated into a draft C++ standard.

https://github.com/cplusplus/draft

[...]

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#224 — Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

Fromboltar@battlestar.co.uk
Date2026-10-21 07:47 +0000
SubjectRe: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11b9qna$pqb8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#191
On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 20:50:58 +0200
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>On 20/10/2026 19:24, boltar@battlestar.co.uk wrote:
>> If C/C++ had multi level break and continue keywords goto would almost
>> never be needed**. There's no reason they can't be added - along with a lot
>of
>> other useful but basic fatures (eg non POD switch, native concatting numbers
>to
>> std::string without calling to_string) - but I guess the committee are too
>busy
>> circle jerking with esoteric crap no one will ever use (eg concepts) to
>bother.
>> 
>
>Multi-level break and continue (named loops) is on its way to C++, and 
>will almost certainly be accepted sooner or later (since it is already 
>in the draft of the next C standard):

They should have been added 30 years ago.

>And people /do/ use concepts, even if you do not.

Yeah, on university CS courses. They're just more metaprogramming fucking
about and add nothing of actual value for the jobbing programmer trying to
solve a problem.

>You might want to do some research before insulting the people who are 
>actually doing the work in driving languages forward.

Driving it forward into a ditch. The language is already so needlessly
complicated that students just swerve it for more user friendly ones, mainly
Python. And Rust is already nudging C aside. If they ever add a decent object 
model to it then C++ will be next in the firing line.

If I was starting out today in IT I wouldn't touch C++ with the proverbial
barge pole.

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#234 — Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

Fromkludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
Date2026-10-21 11:06 -0400
SubjectRe: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11bakdb$o7f$1@panix2.panix.com>
In reply to#224
In article <11b9qna$pqb8$1@dont-email.me>,  <boltar@battlestar.co.uk> wrote:
>David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>>And people /do/ use concepts, even if you do not.
>
>Yeah, on university CS courses. They're just more metaprogramming fucking
>about and add nothing of actual value for the jobbing programmer trying to
>solve a problem.

I kind of thought that way once.  Then I worked with someone who decided
to solve a problem that was NP-hard.  I mentioned to him, "you know this is
NP-hard, you'll never make it work for a reasonable number of elements"
but he was convinced there was a solution.  He worked on it for about a year
before getting fired.
--scott
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#235 — Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

FromJohann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid>
Date2026-10-21 23:10 +0800
SubjectRe: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<EB4CS.437152$sAO4.403614@fx13.ams4>
In reply to#234
On 10/21/2026 11:06 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> In article <11b9qna$pqb8$1@dont-email.me>,  <boltar@battlestar.co.uk> wrote:
>> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>>> And people /do/ use concepts, even if you do not.
>>
>> Yeah, on university CS courses. They're just more metaprogramming fucking
>> about and add nothing of actual value for the jobbing programmer trying to
>> solve a problem.
> 
> I kind of thought that way once.  Then I worked with someone who decided
> to solve a problem that was NP-hard.  I mentioned to him, "you know this is
> NP-hard, you'll never make it work for a reasonable number of elements"
> but he was convinced there was a solution.  He worked on it for about a year
> before getting fired.
> --scott

During that year, did he rewrite the code in Rust too?
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#239 — Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon

Fromkludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
Date2026-10-21 12:29 -0400
SubjectRe: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon
Message-ID<11bap8h$7ir$1@panix2.panix.com>
In reply to#235
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson  <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote:
>On 10/21/2026 11:06 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> In article <11b9qna$pqb8$1@dont-email.me>,  <boltar@battlestar.co.uk> wrote:
>>> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>>>> And people /do/ use concepts, even if you do not.
>>>
>>> Yeah, on university CS courses. They're just more metaprogramming fucking
>>> about and add nothing of actual value for the jobbing programmer trying to
>>> solve a problem.
>> 
>> I kind of thought that way once.  Then I worked with someone who decided
>> to solve a problem that was NP-hard.  I mentioned to him, "you know this is
>> NP-hard, you'll never make it work for a reasonable number of elements"
>> but he was convinced there was a solution.  He worked on it for about a year
>> before getting fired.
>
>During that year, did he rewrite the code in Rust too?

If he'd have thought of that he probably could have milked another year out!
--scott


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