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| Started by | Shadow <Sh@dow.br> |
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| First post | 2016-10-02 00:14 -0300 |
| Last post | 2016-10-04 17:20 +0000 |
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[OT] Systemd fun fun fun Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-10-02 00:14 -0300
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-01 23:03 -0500
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-10-02 08:00 -0300
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-02 11:31 -0500
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-10-02 11:58 +0000
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-02 11:28 -0500
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 00:30 +0800
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-10-02 14:20 -0300
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-10-02 14:19 -0300
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-02 22:51 -0500
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-10-03 10:59 -0300
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-03 10:23 -0500
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun Spamblk <ZapSpam@SpamMeNot.invalid> - 2016-10-02 21:34 +0000
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-10-03 01:05 +0000
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun Pepe the Frog <b7r7tn@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 21:22 -0700
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 22:44 +0800
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 19:58 +0800
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun Yrrah <Yrrah-acf@acf.invalid> - 2016-10-02 15:52 +0200
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2016-10-02 16:41 +0200
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 22:43 +0800
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2016-10-02 18:17 +0200
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 00:24 +0800
Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun Yrrah <Yrrah-acf@acf.invalid> - 2016-10-02 20:10 +0200
Re: Systemd fun fun fun Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net> - 2016-10-04 16:40 +0000
Re: Systemd fun fun fun Yrrah <Yrrah-acf@acf.invalid> - 2016-10-04 19:06 +0200
Re: Systemd fun fun fun Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net> - 2016-10-04 17:20 +0000
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| From | Shadow <Sh@dow.br> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 00:14 -0300 |
| Subject | [OT] Systemd fun fun fun |
| Message-ID | <smu0vb12h4lhpc6k5oeplpapu6lbbof74b@4ax.com> |
http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2016/09/29/26 Anyone for a tweet ? []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012
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| From | Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 23:03 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <UYGdnQHxoaq2Gm3KnZ2dnUU7-WmdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #269199 |
On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 00:14:42 -0300, Shadow wrote: > http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2016/09/29/26 > > Anyone for a tweet ? > []'s You must have physical access to the computer. I won't be loosing any sleep over it. -- <Wildman> GNU/Linux user #557453 The cow died so I don't need your bull!
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| From | Shadow <Sh@dow.br> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 08:00 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <o3q1vb5hfi3432lptesgcjevocunc0sree@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #269200 |
On Sat, 01 Oct 2016 23:03:55 -0500, Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 00:14:42 -0300, Shadow wrote: > >> http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2016/09/29/26 >> >> Anyone for a tweet ? >> []'s > >You must have physical access to the computer. I won't be >loosing any sleep over it. Unless it's run by a script on a webpage by USER browsing. But then everyone blocks scripts, right ? So, just another non-issue. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012
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| From | Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 11:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <-sCdnYIPtsfCq2zKnZ2dnUU7-SUAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #269217 |
On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 08:00:37 -0300, Shadow wrote: > On Sat, 01 Oct 2016 23:03:55 -0500, Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >>On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 00:14:42 -0300, Shadow wrote: >> >>> http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2016/09/29/26 >>> >>> Anyone for a tweet ? >>> []'s >> >>You must have physical access to the computer. I won't be >>loosing any sleep over it. > > Unless it's run by a script on a webpage by USER browsing. > But then everyone blocks scripts, right ? > So, just another non-issue. > []'s I can't speak for everyone like you, but, I can say that anyone that uses Linux is smart enough to know to turn off scripting. -- <Wildman> GNU/Linux user #557453 The cow died so I don't need your bull!
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| From | Diesel <me@privacy.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 11:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA69552FBE6C66F7D9A8@dieselpower.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #269200 |
Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> news:UYGdnQHxoaq2Gm3KnZ2dnUU7- WmdnZ2d@giganews.com Sun, 02 Oct 2016 04:03:55 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: > On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 00:14:42 -0300, Shadow wrote: > >> http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2016/09/29/26 >> >> Anyone for a tweet ? >> []'s > > You must have physical access to the computer. I won't be > loosing any sleep over it. > I didn't see any such requirement in the url Shadow shared... The following command, when run as any user, will crash systemd: is what I viewed. which seems to mean, surfing and allowing a nasty script will do the job. Unless you know different? I don't have systemd (afaik) on my linux machines and I don't intend to use any flavor of linux that has it. I'm sure we'll find out about other trivial as all hell to exploit bugs concerning it in the future. It was and still is a bad idea to have gone the systemd route, imo. Seems to be along the lines of 'Hey, this works well enough, let's break it!' school of thought. I'm not in. -- People you encounter every day are fighting battles you know nothing about. Be kind.
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| From | Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 11:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <-sCdnYMPtscBqGzKnZ2dnUU7-SWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #269240 |
On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 11:58:07 +0000, Diesel wrote: > Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> news:UYGdnQHxoaq2Gm3KnZ2dnUU7- > WmdnZ2d@giganews.com Sun, 02 Oct 2016 04:03:55 GMT in > alt.comp.freeware, wrote: > >> On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 00:14:42 -0300, Shadow wrote: >> >>> http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2016/09/29/26 >>> >>> Anyone for a tweet ? >>> []'s >> >> You must have physical access to the computer. I won't be >> loosing any sleep over it. >> > > I didn't see any such requirement in the url Shadow shared... If scripting is turned off that is the only way. > The following command, when run as any user, will crash systemd: > is what I viewed. which seems to mean, surfing and allowing a nasty > script will do the job. Unless you know different? If you are stupid enough to allow scripts then yes you are vulnerable. But, if you are hit all that is required is a power-down and restart. Linux is not Windows so it will recover. -- <Wildman> GNU/Linux user #557453 The cow died so I don't need your bull!
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-03 00:30 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <nsrcne$fd2$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #269284 |
On 3/10/16 00:28, Wildman wrote: > > If you are stupid enough to allow scripts then yes you are > vulnerable. But, if you are hit all that is required is a > power-down and restart. Linux is not Windows so it will > recover. In the old days when Linux was not that popular, everyone wrote their own init scrips. I seldom hear problems about them, because you need to be root to modify those scripts. -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 不借貸! 不詐騙! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_pubsvc/page_socsecu/sub_addressesa
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| From | Shadow <Sh@dow.br> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 14:20 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <2dg2vb53hitaj7f9gc9aeb3sgh2otgufm5@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #269285 |
On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 00:30:53 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote: >On 3/10/16 00:28, Wildman wrote: >> >> If you are stupid enough to allow scripts then yes you are >> vulnerable. But, if you are hit all that is required is a >> power-down and restart. Linux is not Windows so it will >> recover. > >In the old days when Linux was not that popular, everyone wrote their >own init scrips. I seldom hear problems about them, because you need to >be root to modify those scripts. Pay attention. He's talking about userland browser scripts. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012
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| From | Shadow <Sh@dow.br> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 14:19 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <j0g2vb59a2l5qdlmuvuih4pnk6g5hud98k@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #269284 |
On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 11:28:12 -0500, Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 11:58:07 +0000, Diesel wrote: > >> Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> news:UYGdnQHxoaq2Gm3KnZ2dnUU7- >> WmdnZ2d@giganews.com Sun, 02 Oct 2016 04:03:55 GMT in >> alt.comp.freeware, wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 00:14:42 -0300, Shadow wrote: >>> >>>> http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2016/09/29/26 >>>> >>>> Anyone for a tweet ? >>>> []'s >>> >>> You must have physical access to the computer. I won't be >>> loosing any sleep over it. >>> >> >> I didn't see any such requirement in the url Shadow shared... > >If scripting is turned off that is the only way. > >> The following command, when run as any user, will crash systemd: >> is what I viewed. which seems to mean, surfing and allowing a nasty >> script will do the job. Unless you know different? > >If you are stupid enough to allow scripts then yes you are >vulnerable. Downloading audacity from Github https://github.com/audacity "Oops. Sorry, you don't have scripting enabled ... you silly noob". Click here to upgrade your broken, nasty, hardened browser to Google Chrome. I luv it .... []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012
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| From | Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 22:51 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <GIWdnQ8zSfEySGzKnZ2dnUU7-eGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #269289 |
On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 14:19:21 -0300, Shadow wrote: > On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 11:28:12 -0500, Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >>On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 11:58:07 +0000, Diesel wrote: >> >>> Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> news:UYGdnQHxoaq2Gm3KnZ2dnUU7- >>> WmdnZ2d@giganews.com Sun, 02 Oct 2016 04:03:55 GMT in >>> alt.comp.freeware, wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 00:14:42 -0300, Shadow wrote: >>>> >>>>> http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2016/09/29/26 >>>>> >>>>> Anyone for a tweet ? >>>>> []'s >>>> >>>> You must have physical access to the computer. I won't be >>>> loosing any sleep over it. >>>> >>> >>> I didn't see any such requirement in the url Shadow shared... >> >>If scripting is turned off that is the only way. >> >>> The following command, when run as any user, will crash systemd: >>> is what I viewed. which seems to mean, surfing and allowing a nasty >>> script will do the job. Unless you know different? >> >>If you are stupid enough to allow scripts then yes you are >>vulnerable. > > Downloading audacity from Github > > https://github.com/audacity > > "Oops. Sorry, you don't have scripting enabled ... you silly > noob". > Click here to upgrade your broken, nasty, hardened browser to > Google Chrome. > I luv it .... > []'s Have you never heard of repositories and packages managers? Browser and/or scripting is not required. -- <Wildman> GNU/Linux user #557453 Re: Windows security: "There's no point in obsessing over something that doesn't exist." -Cybe R. Wizard
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| From | Shadow <Sh@dow.br> |
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| Date | 2016-10-03 10:59 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <1lo4vbpbo22pp8h792pqskl5c8g4cihsse@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #269308 |
On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 22:51:11 -0500, Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Downloading audacity from Github >> >> https://github.com/audacity >> >> "Oops. Sorry, you don't have scripting enabled ... you silly >> noob". >> Click here to upgrade your broken, nasty, hardened browser to >> Google Chrome. >> I luv it .... >> []'s > >Have you never heard of repositories and packages managers? No, of course not. As Github said, I'm a "silly noob". >Browser and/or scripting is not required. And now for the news "You need to turn scripting on to see the news, you silly noob". I'll go for a ride on my bike ... good exercise. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012
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| From | Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-03 10:23 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <BKWdnT1t4Lx26m_KnZ2dnUU7-X-dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #269322 |
On Mon, 03 Oct 2016 10:59:01 -0300, Shadow wrote: > On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 22:51:11 -0500, Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >>> Downloading audacity from Github >>> >>> https://github.com/audacity >>> >>> "Oops. Sorry, you don't have scripting enabled ... you silly >>> noob". >>> Click here to upgrade your broken, nasty, hardened browser to >>> Google Chrome. >>> I luv it .... >>> []'s >> >>Have you never heard of repositories and packages managers? > > No, of course not. As Github said, I'm a "silly noob". That's too bad. >>Browser and/or scripting is not required. > > And now for the news "You need to turn scripting on to see the > news, you silly noob". My TV doesn't need scripting. > I'll go for a ride on my bike ... good exercise. Good idea. Be safe. -- <Wildman> GNU/Linux user #557453 "How few there are who have courage enough to own their faults, or resolution enough to mend them." -Benjamin Franklin
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| From | Spamblk <ZapSpam@SpamMeNot.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 21:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nsrugu$vf2$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #269284 |
Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> wrote in <news:-sCdnYMPtscBqGzKnZ2dnUU7-SWdnZ2d@giganews.com>: >> I didn't see any such requirement in the url Shadow shared... > > If scripting is turned off that is the only way. > >> The following command, when run as any user, will crash systemd: >> is what I viewed. which seems to mean, surfing and allowing a nasty >> script will do the job. Unless you know different? > > If you are stupid enough to allow scripts then yes you are > vulnerable. But, if you are hit all that is required is a > power-down and restart. Linux is not Windows so it will > recover. Scripts? You must be referring to some kind of sys-dumb-d script or shell script. As for Javascript, a lot of sites offer reduced functionality or break outright if not enabled.
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| From | Diesel <me@privacy.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-03 01:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA695D881E9086F7D9A8@dieselpower.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #269284 |
Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> news:-sCdnYMPtscBqGzKnZ2dnUU7- SWdnZ2d@giganews.com Sun, 02 Oct 2016 16:28:12 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: > On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 11:58:07 +0000, Diesel wrote: > >> Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> news:UYGdnQHxoaq2Gm3KnZ2dnUU7- >> WmdnZ2d@giganews.com Sun, 02 Oct 2016 04:03:55 GMT in >> alt.comp.freeware, wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 00:14:42 -0300, Shadow wrote: >>> >>>> http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2016/09/29/26 >>>> >>>> Anyone for a tweet ? >>>> []'s >>> >>> You must have physical access to the computer. I won't be >>> loosing any sleep over it. >>> >> >> I didn't see any such requirement in the url Shadow shared... > > If scripting is turned off that is the only way. I don't disagree. > If you are stupid enough to allow scripts then yes you are > vulnerable. But, if you are hit all that is required is a > power-down and restart. Linux is not Windows so it will > recover. Well, no offense, but, I'm not an average end user who needs to be told how to practice safer hex. I'm also not stupid enough to assume that because someone uses linux, they're smart enough not to run scripts, either. I'm well aware of the fact you can force a hard reset/shutdown and clear the issue usually without hurting anything. I'm also well aware of the fact that Windows most of the time can be hard reset/shutdown and you won't lose anything in the process. It all comes down the file and cache states anyhow. If everything was written to disk and nothing was still in memory not committed yet, you'll probably be okay. Basically surviving a hard reset/shutdown isn't unique to Linux. I installed linux for several non tech savvy family members...They don't know the difference between Windows or Linux and don't even know what scripts are. I administrate those machines to keep them safer. If I relied on them to do it, I might as well have loaded Windows and allowed them to use admin accounts for day to day use. -- People you encounter every day are fighting battles you know nothing about. Be kind.
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| From | Pepe the Frog <b7r7tn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 21:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7ed9ea10-7d34-4485-9c4a-c615abcd2a6a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #269199 |
On Saturday, 1 October 2016 20:16:01 UTC-7, Shadow wrote: > http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2016/09/29/26 > > Anyone for a tweet ? > []'s > -- > Don't be evil - Google 2004 > We have a new policy - Google 2012 Please tweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 22:44 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <nsr6f6$p8j$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #269207 |
On 2/10/16 12:22, Pepe the Frog wrote: > > Please tweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > You don't need Linux! You can spam with your own fingers! -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 不借貸! 不詐騙! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_pubsvc/page_socsecu/sub_addressesa
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 19:58 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <nsqso0$q7h$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #269199 |
On 2/10/16 11:14, Shadow wrote: > > http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2016/09/29/26 > Anyone for a tweet ? No. Is systemd really that dangerous? SysV init scripts are definitely simpler. -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 不借貸! 不詐騙! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_pubsvc/page_socsecu/sub_addressesa
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| From | Yrrah <Yrrah-acf@acf.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 15:52 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <h142vbpdk7v52kh7lvmh7htm5fubi52pi4@net.com> |
| In reply to | #269199 |
(x-posted: alt.comp.freeware,alt.os.linux.debian,alt.os.linux) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> in alt.comp.freeware: > http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2016/09/29/26 > > Anyone for a tweet ? Follow up to: alt.os.linux.debian,alt.os.linux Yrrah
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| From | "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 16:41 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <e5ckl9FecfuU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #269250 |
On 10/02/2016 03:52 PM, Yrrah wrote: > Shadow <Sh@dow.br> in alt.comp.freeware: > >> http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2016/09/29/26 >> >> Anyone for a tweet ? It's kind of expected when you have an application which assumes everything went well when it failed to get a result. At least I sleep better knowing my more important systems do not use systemd. -- //Aho
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 22:43 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <nsr6dn$p8j$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #269254 |
On 2/10/16 22:41, J.O. Aho wrote: > > At least I sleep better knowing my more important systems do not use > systemd. Well, a messy but compulsory systemd can create jobs. :) -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 不借貸! 不詐騙! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_pubsvc/page_socsecu/sub_addressesa
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