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An easy way to download Mozilla programs

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First post2016-01-01 08:15 +0000
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  An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-01 08:15 +0000
    Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-01 13:27 -0600
      Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-02 00:38 +0000
        Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-01-01 23:01 -0200
        Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-01 19:09 -0600
          Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-02 00:34 -0500
            Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-03 00:37 +0000
              Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-03 11:59 -0500
                Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-03 21:00 +0000
                  Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-03 18:47 -0500
                    Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-08 07:31 +0000
                      Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 14:24 -0500
                        Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-10 05:00 +0000
                          Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-10 13:25 -0500
                            Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-10 22:22 +0000
                              Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-10 19:50 -0500
                                Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2016-01-11 09:41 +0000
                                  Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-13 20:44 +0000
                                    Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2016-01-13 20:51 +0000
                                      Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-14 07:19 +0000
                                        Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2016-01-14 09:33 +0000
                                          Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-14 19:20 +0000
                                            Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@buh.boh> - 2016-01-14 15:14 -0500
                                              Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs none <none@none.invalid> - 2016-01-14 12:47 -0800
                                                Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@buh.uk> - 2016-01-15 07:15 -0500
                                            Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2016-01-14 20:14 +0000
                                              Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs none <none@none.invalid> - 2016-01-14 13:17 -0800
                                              Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@buh.uk> - 2016-01-15 07:16 -0500
                                                Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2016-01-15 16:44 +0000
                                                  Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@buh.uk> - 2016-01-15 11:50 -0500
                                                    Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2016-01-15 16:59 +0000
                                                    Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs none <none@none.invalid> - 2016-01-15 09:05 -0800
                                              Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-15 20:30 +0000
                                                Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2016-01-15 21:02 +0000
                                                  Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-16 08:03 +0000
                                                    Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2016-01-16 09:13 +0000
                                                      Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-16 22:30 +0000
                                                        Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2016-01-17 00:35 +0000
                                                          Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-17 00:36 +0000
                                Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-13 20:44 +0000
                              Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-10 20:16 -0600
                                Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-13 20:44 +0000
                                  Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-13 15:13 -0600
                                    Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-14 07:19 +0000
                                      Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-14 10:43 -0600
                                        Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-15 21:12 -0500
                                          Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2016-01-16 12:11 +0700
                                            Re: Please help check Firefox DL page »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-16 08:35 -0600
                                              Re: Please help check Firefox DL page JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2016-01-17 09:35 +0700
                                                Re: Please help check Firefox DL page Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 22:22 -0500
                                                  Re: Please help check Firefox DL page Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-17 18:27 +0000
                                                    Re: Please help check Firefox DL page Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 15:45 -0500
                                                      Re: Please help check Firefox DL page "Andrzej P. Wozniak" <uszer@poczta.onet.pl.invalid> - 2016-01-17 22:10 +0100
                                                      Re: Please help check Firefox DL page Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-17 21:24 +0000
                                                      Re: Please help check Firefox DL page »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-17 19:55 -0600
                                                        Re: Please help check Firefox DL page Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 12:14 -0500
                                                      Re: Please help check Firefox DL page JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2016-01-18 18:59 +0700
                                                    Re: Please help check Firefox DL page "Andrzej P. Wozniak" <uszer@poczta.onet.pl.invalid> - 2016-01-17 22:02 +0100
                                                      Re: Please help check Firefox DL page Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-17 21:24 +0000
                                                        Re: Please help check Firefox DL page "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2016-01-17 22:04 +0000
                                                          Re: Please help check Firefox DL page Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-18 04:16 +0000
                                                      Re: Please help check Firefox DL page »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-17 20:13 -0600
                                                Re: Please help check Firefox DL page Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-17 18:27 +0000
                                          Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] "Andrzej P. Wozniak" <uszer@poczta.onet.pl.invalid> - 2016-01-16 13:48 +0100
                                            Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2016-01-16 12:54 +0000
                                              Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] "Andrzej P. Wozniak" <uszer@poczta.onet.pl.invalid> - 2016-01-16 16:31 +0100
                                                Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2016-01-16 18:13 +0000
                                                  Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2016-01-16 18:21 +0000
                                                  Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-17 18:27 +0000
                                              Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-16 22:30 +0000
                                                Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] "Andrzej P. Wozniak" <uszer@poczta.onet.pl.invalid> - 2016-01-17 00:09 +0100
                                                Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2016-01-17 00:38 +0000
                                                  Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-17 00:48 +0000
                                                  Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-17 18:27 +0000
                                                    Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2016-01-17 20:09 +0000
                                                      Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-17 21:02 +0000
                                                        Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2016-01-17 21:57 +0000
                                                          Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-18 04:16 +0000
                                                            Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2016-01-18 20:02 +0000
                                                              Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@buh.uk> - 2016-01-18 15:04 -0500
                                                              Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-23 03:16 +0000
                                                        Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-17 20:29 -0600
                                                          Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-23 03:16 +0000
                                                            Re: Please help check Firefox DL page »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-23 10:37 -0600
                                                              Re: Please help check Firefox DL page Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-23 16:55 +0000
                                                                [OT] Pissing match with Raid (was: Please help check Firefox DL page) »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-23 13:57 -0600
                                                                  Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid (was: Please help check Firefox DL page) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-24 00:58 +0000
                                                                    Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid (was: Please help check Firefox DL page) »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-23 23:36 -0600
                                                                      Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid (was: Please help check Firefox DL page) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-24 17:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid (was: Please help check Firefox DL page) »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-24 12:42 -0600
                                                                          Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid (was: Please help check Firefox DL page) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-24 19:21 +0000
                                                                  Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid (was: Please help check Firefox DL page) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-24 01:14 +0000
                                                                    Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-23 23:05 -0600
                                                                      Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-24 17:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-24 12:38 -0600
                                                                          Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-24 19:21 +0000
                                                                            Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-24 13:58 -0600
                                                                              Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-24 21:39 +0000
                                                                                Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-24 16:53 -0600
                                                                                  Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-25 01:16 +0000
                                                                                    Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-25 01:19 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid hummingbird <hummingbird@127.0.0.1> - 2016-01-25 22:38 +0000
                                                                                    Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-25 01:11 -0600
                                                                                      Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2016-01-25 10:43 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-25 10:38 -0600
                                                                                      Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-25 19:44 +0000
                                                                                        Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid p-00-h the Kat in GPL hell - The voice of the Damned <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2016-01-25 20:33 +0000
                                                                                        Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-25 14:53 -0600
                                                                                          Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@mo.uk> - 2016-01-25 16:20 -0500
                                                                                            Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-27 13:11 -0600
                                                                                          Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-26 07:55 +0000
                                                                                            Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2016-01-26 12:06 +0000
                                                                                              Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-27 18:41 +0000
                                                                                                Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2016-01-27 20:11 +0000
                                                                                            Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-26 08:34 -0600
                                                                                              Re: [OT] Pissing match with Raid Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-27 18:55 +0000
                                          Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] Bill Day <extreeNONSENSE@verizon.net> - 2016-01-16 09:39 -0500
                                            Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs] Bill Day <extreeNONSENSE@verizon.net> - 2016-01-16 09:54 -0500
                Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-17 00:17 +0000
                  Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2016-01-17 00:45 +0000
                    Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-17 00:49 +0000
                      Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2016-01-17 01:03 +0000
                        Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-17 01:20 +0000
                          Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2016-01-17 01:38 +0000
                            Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-17 18:27 +0000
                            Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs hummingbird <hummingbird@127.0.0.1> - 2016-01-25 21:15 +0000
                              Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs p-00-h the Kat in GPL hell - The voice of the Damned <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2016-01-25 23:38 +0000
                                Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs hummingbird <hummingbird@127.0.0.1> - 2016-01-30 23:11 +0000
          Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-03 00:37 +0000
            Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-03 19:41 -0600
              Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-04 03:29 +0000
      Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2016-01-02 08:17 +0700
        Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-01 19:22 -0600
          Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2016-01-02 20:38 +0700
          Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2016-01-02 15:53 -0600
    Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-01-01 21:32 +0100
      Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-02 00:38 +0000
    Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-02 22:11 +0800
      Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs CRNG <noemail@atthisdomain.gov> - 2016-01-02 08:54 -0600
        Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-01-02 16:28 +0100
          Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-02 23:35 +0800
            Re: An easy way to download Mozilla programs CRNG <noemail@atthisdomain.gov> - 2016-01-02 15:33 -0600

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#252049

From»Q« <boxcars@gmx.net>
Date2016-01-10 20:16 -0600
Message-ID<20160110201656.0cb51a0c@sepulchrave.remarqs>
In reply to#252044
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 22:22:12 -0000 (UTC)
Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/
> 
> Is still broken. If you try to download the Windows English-US 
> versions, you will be provided the WRONG binary - confirmed again as 
> of writing this post. 

Not me, I still won't.  Confirmed again just before writing this post.

> It never had anything to do with a bad cache on  my end,

I'm pretty sure no one said it did, though I quit reading for a while
after the insistence that shift-reload should not be tried.

> and it *did not* work either time I mentioned the issue. 

What happens if you paste and enter 
"https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-43.0.4-SSL&os=win&lang=en-US"
into the address bar?  Or try that URL with a non-browser tool such as
wget or curl?  

> I seriously doubt i'm the only user who's tried to download the 
> English-US versions of Windows Firefox from the aforementioned url 
> only to be provided v43.0.1. It's been doing this since 43.0.2 was 
> released as a matter of fact. So I'm not thinking an email from me 
> would be necessary at this point. They have to know somethings wrong 
> already.

I dunno -- I couldn't find a bug report about it, but that doesn't mean
no one knows about it.

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#252248

FromDiesel <me@privacy.net>
Date2016-01-13 20:44 +0000
Message-ID<XnsA58EA173EB6B1F7D9A8@dieselpower.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#252049
=?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?= <boxcars@gmx.net>
news:20160110201656.0cb51a0c@sepulchrave.remarqs Mon, 11 Jan 2016
02:16:56 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: 

> On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 22:22:12 -0000 (UTC)
> Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> 
>> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/
>> 
>> Is still broken. If you try to download the Windows English-US 
>> versions, you will be provided the WRONG binary - confirmed again
>> as of writing this post. 
> 
> Not me, I still won't.  Confirmed again just before writing this
> post. 

I find it very interesting that it wasn't (haven't checked since
writing that post) that it's presenting myself as well as Susan the
wrong Windows English-US binary, but, has never failed to provide
you the correct one? 
 
>> It never had anything to do with a bad cache on  my end,
> 
> I'm pretty sure no one said it did, though I quit reading for a
> while after the insistence that shift-reload should not be tried.

I didn't suggest one shouldn't use shift-reload. I asked you what
the point would have been in my case. 
 
>> and it *did not* work either time I mentioned the issue. 
> 
> What happens if you paste and enter 
> "https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-43.0.4-SSL&os=win&la
> ng=en-US" into the address bar?  Or try that URL with a
> non-browser tool such as wget or curl?  

I shouldn't have to do anything. I should be able to click the icon,
as I normally would, and get the latest binary. The clickable link
is pointing to the wrong binary. 
 
>> I seriously doubt i'm the only user who's tried to download the 
>> English-US versions of Windows Firefox from the aforementioned
>> url only to be provided v43.0.1. It's been doing this since
>> 43.0.2 was released as a matter of fact. So I'm not thinking an
>> email from me would be necessary at this point. They have to know
>> somethings wrong already.
> 
> I dunno -- I couldn't find a bug report about it, but that doesn't
> mean no one knows about it.

So far, Susan and myself know about it. I don't think we have
anything in common that can explain it. Do you? 
 



-- 
Hey listen...
On your way back up, bring some popcorn...With salt. 

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#252251

From»Q« <boxcars@gmx.net>
Date2016-01-13 15:13 -0600
Message-ID<20160113151327.7f3a5b6d@sepulchrave.remarqs>
In reply to#252248
On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:44:43 -0000 (UTC)
Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> =?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?= <boxcars@gmx.net>
> news:20160110201656.0cb51a0c@sepulchrave.remarqs Mon, 11 Jan 2016
> 02:16:56 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: 
> 
> > On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 22:22:12 -0000 (UTC)
> > Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> >   
> >> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/
> >> 
> >> Is still broken. If you try to download the Windows English-US 
> >> versions, you will be provided the WRONG binary - confirmed again
> >> as of writing this post.   
> > 
> > Not me, I still won't.  Confirmed again just before writing this
> > post.   
> 
> I find it very interesting that it wasn't (haven't checked since
> writing that post) that it's presenting myself as well as Susan the
> wrong Windows English-US binary, but, has never failed to provide
> you the correct one? 

Me too.  I thought I'd understood you to say earlier that the link
seems to be correct on the page, but that clicking it results in
downloading the wrong binary, which makes it even more curious.

> > What happens if you paste and enter 
> > "https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-43.0.4-SSL&os=win&lang=en-US"
> > into the address bar?  Or try that URL with a non-browser tool such
> > as wget or curl?    
> 
> I shouldn't have to do anything. 

I didn't say anything implying that you should have to do anything.
You don't have to reply to my posts at all, let alone answer any
questions I've asked.

> >> So I'm not thinking an email from me would be necessary at this
> >> point. They have to know somethings wrong already.  
> > 
> > I dunno -- I couldn't find a bug report about it, but that doesn't
> > mean no one knows about it.
>
> So far, Susan and myself know about it. 

I meant at Mozilla.

> I don't think we have anything in common that can explain it. Do you?

I may not ever have enough info to speculate about that.

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#252259

FromDiesel <me@privacy.net>
Date2016-01-14 07:19 +0000
Message-ID<XnsA58F19039789BF7D9A8@dieselpower.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#252251
=?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?= <boxcars@gmx.net>
news:20160113151327.7f3a5b6d@sepulchrave.remarqs Wed, 13 Jan 2016
21:13:27 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: 

> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:44:43 -0000 (UTC)
> Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> 
>> =?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?= <boxcars@gmx.net>
>> news:20160110201656.0cb51a0c@sepulchrave.remarqs Mon, 11 Jan 2016
>> 02:16:56 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: 
>> 
>> > On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 22:22:12 -0000 (UTC)
>> > Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>> >   
>> >> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/
>> >> 
>> >> Is still broken. If you try to download the Windows English-US
>> >> versions, you will be provided the WRONG binary - confirmed
>> >> again as of writing this post.   
>> > 
>> > Not me, I still won't.  Confirmed again just before writing
>> > this post.   
>> 
>> I find it very interesting that it wasn't (haven't checked since
>> writing that post) that it's presenting myself as well as Susan
>> the wrong Windows English-US binary, but, has never failed to
>> provide you the correct one? 
> 
> Me too.  I thought I'd understood you to say earlier that the link
> seems to be correct on the page, but that clicking it results in
> downloading the wrong binary, which makes it even more curious.

The link does appear to be correct going by the description at bottom 
left hand side of the screen. I posted a screenshot previously. The 
description indicated the correct version at the time, but, clicking 
the link itself would result in downloading 43.0.1, not the version 
shown in the description.

The reason I didn't see the point in flushing my own cache and/or 
reloading raw and asking the servers to refresh was because the 
description had the right information, but, the link itself was 
pointing to the wrong binary. I didn't think an outdated cache would 
have been responsible for this, unless! someone at Mozilla edited the 
page while it was 'live' and for some reason the ISP I use didn't 
obtain an updated copy. If this were a small mom and pop ISP, it 
would have been a realistic/feasable thought. But, it's a large well 
known ISP and I'm sure I'm not the only one who surfed to Mozilla 
that day. [g]

I did flush the cache and reloaded via shift+refresh on two seperate 
machines which displayed the same issue, prior to making my 'bug 
report' post. I'm usually pretty good about covering the basic 
troubleshooting steps before I post my findings; knowing the moment I 
do so, they're subject to peer review.
 
>> > What happens if you paste and enter 
>> > "https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-43.0.4-SSL&os=win
>> > &lang=en-US" into the address bar?  Or try that URL with a
>> > non-browser tool such as wget or curl?    
>> 
>> I shouldn't have to do anything. 
> 
> I didn't say anything implying that you should have to do
> anything. You don't have to reply to my posts at all, let alone
> answer any questions I've asked.

This was clearly a miscommunication issue. I'm going to take the the 
hit for that one. :) I really *didn't* intend to come across with any 
tone towards you. My comment was directed at I shouldn't have to try 
and load the link manually, I should be able to just click the link 
and leech the correct binary :)

To answer your question concerning the url above, it *still* provides 
me the v43.0.1 binary if I load it as is between the quotes into the 
address bar. I just tried it. [g]

The only thing the computers I've tried it with so far have in common 
aside from the same ISP and IP to the outside world, is the OS 
they're running. It's Windows XP Professional. Perhaps there's some 
sort of issue with Mozilla concerning OS header information returned 
by the browser? v43.0.4 does install and run on Windows XP. I haven't 
run into any issues with it, that I know of. Aside from the inability 
to download the correct binary by following the url you posted.

>> I don't think we have anything in common that can explain it. Do
>> you? 
> 
> I may not ever have enough info to speculate about that.

:) That isn't what I meant. rofl. 


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#252278

From»Q« <boxcars@gmx.net>
Date2016-01-14 10:43 -0600
Message-ID<20160114104307.0751ee9f@sepulchrave.remarqs>
In reply to#252259
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 07:19:57 -0000 (UTC)
Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> =?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?= <boxcars@gmx.net>
> news:20160113151327.7f3a5b6d@sepulchrave.remarqs Wed, 13 Jan 2016
> 21:13:27 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: 
 
> >> > What happens if you paste and enter 
> >> > "https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-43.0.4-SSL&os=win
> >> > &lang=en-US" into the address bar?  Or try that URL with a
> >> > non-browser tool such as wget or curl?      

> To answer your question concerning the url above, it *still* provides 
> me the v43.0.1 binary if I load it as is between the quotes into the 
> address bar. I just tried it. [g]

That seems to indicate the problem is in (part of) the cloud service
that Mozilla now uses for distribution.  I don't know anything about it,
except that I think it's CloudFare.  Until fairly recently, Mozilla had
just used a lot of mirrors, with Mozilla hardware determining which
mirror would be used (AIUI, which might not have been very well).

> >> I don't think we have anything in common that can explain it. Do
> >> you?   
> > 
> > I may not ever have enough info to speculate about that.  
> 
> :) That isn't what I meant. rofl. 

If there's anything in common that affects this, I'd guess it might be
location.  Susan is in the upper midwest of the U.S.

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#252335 — Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs]

FromSusan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-15 21:12 -0500
SubjectPlease help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs]
Message-ID<dftn5nFnbp3U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#252278
On 1/14/2016 11:43 AM, »Q« wrote:

<snip>
> That seems to indicate the problem is in (part of) the cloud service
> that Mozilla now uses for distribution.  I don't know anything about it,
> except that I think it's CloudFare.  Until fairly recently, Mozilla had
> just used a lot of mirrors, with Mozilla hardware determining which
> mirror would be used (AIUI, which might not have been very well).

<snip>

> If there's anything in common that affects this, I'd guess it might be
> location.  Susan is in the upper midwest of the U.S.

Yup. ISTM that with some help from the group we should be able to find 
out if the "SOME downloads aren't the right file" problem is location 
related

If you want to help please go to:
<https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/>
which *should* be linking to version 43.0.4

scroll down the first column to:
English (US)
Move right to the first download link for Windows (the 32 bit version)
click on that link and after the DL starts copy the entire DL link and 
post it here with some indication of your location

The only DL link I've seen here (Michigan) over a period of days is:
<https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/43.0.1/win32/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%2043.0.1.exe>

What is your DL link & location?



TIA

Susan
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#252342 — Re: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs]

FromJJ <jj4public@vfemail.net>
Date2016-01-16 12:11 +0700
SubjectRe: Please help check Firefox DL page [was: An easy way to download Mozilla programs]
Message-ID<17iee46t6ayan.ogdigghsw1tu.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#252335
On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 21:12:43 -0500, Susan Bugher wrote:

> On 1/14/2016 11:43 AM, »Q« wrote:
> 
> <snip>
>> That seems to indicate the problem is in (part of) the cloud service
>> that Mozilla now uses for distribution.  I don't know anything about it,
>> except that I think it's CloudFare.  Until fairly recently, Mozilla had
>> just used a lot of mirrors, with Mozilla hardware determining which
>> mirror would be used (AIUI, which might not have been very well).
> 
> <snip>
> 
>> If there's anything in common that affects this, I'd guess it might be
>> location.  Susan is in the upper midwest of the U.S.
> 
> Yup. ISTM that with some help from the group we should be able to find 
> out if the "SOME downloads aren't the right file" problem is location 
> related
> 
> If you want to help please go to:
> <https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/>
> which *should* be linking to version 43.0.4
> 
> scroll down the first column to:
> English (US)
> Move right to the first download link for Windows (the 32 bit version)
> click on that link and after the DL starts copy the entire DL link and 
> post it here with some indication of your location
> 
> The only DL link I've seen here (Michigan) over a period of days is:
> <https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/43.0.1/win32/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%2043.0.1.exe>
> 
> What is your DL link & location?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Susan

While the page download link's URL does tells:

<https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-43.0.4-SSL&os=win&lang=en-US>

That URL will be redirected to:

<https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/43.0.1/win32/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%2043.0.1.exe>

I can only tell that Mozilla has goofed and it's not caused by CloudFlare
because CloudFlare AFAIK is not really a mirror servers; they're just
gateways for website protection. The reason of this thought is that I've
encountered a CloudFlare error page when accessing a website. It says that
CloudFlare can not access the website due to gateway timeout.

I'm in Asia, BTW.

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#252365 — Re: Please help check Firefox DL page

From»Q« <boxcars@gmx.net>
Date2016-01-16 08:35 -0600
SubjectRe: Please help check Firefox DL page
Message-ID<20160116083545.34188155@sepulchrave.remarqs>
In reply to#252342
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 12:11:50 +0700
JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> wrote:

> While the page download link's URL does tells:
> 
> <https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-43.0.4-SSL&os=win&lang=en-US>
> 
> That URL will be redirected to:
> 
> <https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/43.0.1/win32/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%2043.0.1.exe>

What kind of redirect do you see?  I get a 302 redirect to the correct
file no matter what downloader I use.  I've pasted the response headers from 
using wget, just because they're easier to copy and paste.  To see the headers
in Firefox, you could use something like 
<https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/live-http-headers/>.

$ wget -S https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-43.0.4-SSL&os=win&lang=en-US

Resolving download.mozilla.org (download.mozilla.org)... 54.164.205.66
Connecting to download.mozilla.org (download.mozilla.org)|54.164.205.66|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 
  HTTP/1.1 302 Found
  Cache-Control: max-age=60
  Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
  Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 14:17:40 GMT
  Location: https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/43.0.4/win32/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%2043.0.4.exe
  Content-Length: 134
  Connection: keep-alive
Location: https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/43.0.4/win32/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%2043.0.4.exe [following]
--2016-01-16 08:17:13--  https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/43.0.4/win32/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%2043.0.4.exe
Resolving download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net (download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net)... 54.192.6.57
Connecting to download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net (download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net)|54.192.6.57|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 
  HTTP/1.1 200 OK
  Content-Type: application/x-msdownload
  Content-Length: 45698520
  Connection: keep-alive
  Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 16:01:51 GMT
  x-amz-replication-status: COMPLETED
  x-amz-version-id: MyDcW2zORxP8oZy6n0IHCszlVkWmzyX5
  Last-Modified: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 19:16:52 GMT
  ETag: "e566faab115406fcd7721d2ddb1cb200"
  Accept-Ranges: bytes
  Server: AmazonS3
  Via: 1.1 b91a04ebd793cc7fb1ab1792430f664a.cloudfront.net (CloudFront), 1.1 1c54f951f15bcb8839851a3210276a61.cloudfront.net (CloudFront)
  Age: 99874
  X-Cache: Hit from cloudfront
  X-Amz-Cf-Id: lMis2kk__cCwIBNLDTcXwvHU3A66gpGsyYHwLuUXQi5UhaJEQhAQAg==
Length: 45698520 (44M) [application/x-msdownload]

> I can only tell that Mozilla has goofed and it's not caused by
> CloudFlare because CloudFlare AFAIK is not really a mirror servers;
> they're just gateways for website protection.

I was wrong -- it's CloudFront, Amazon's service.

$ host download.mozilla.org
download.mozilla.org is an alias for bouncer-bouncer-elb.prod.mozaws.net.
bouncer-bouncer-elb.prod.mozaws.net has address 54.86.111.150

$ host download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net
download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net is an alias for dn6m9t4qll5h.cloudfront.net.
dn6m9t4qll5h.cloudfront.net has address 54.192.6.57

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#252457 — Re: Please help check Firefox DL page

FromJJ <jj4public@vfemail.net>
Date2016-01-17 09:35 +0700
SubjectRe: Please help check Firefox DL page
Message-ID<q232ajp4jbxe.ohi2u81usxgl$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#252365
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 08:35:45 -0600, »Q« wrote:
> 
> What kind of redirect do you see?  I get a 302 redirect to the correct
> file no matter what downloader I use.  I've pasted the response headers from 
> using wget, just because they're easier to copy and paste.  To see the headers
> in Firefox, you could use something like 
> <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/live-http-headers/>.

Ha! They've fixed it. It redirects to the correct file version now.

In my previous report, the redirect was at HTTP level. I know it from my
download manager log because the log shows the full HTTP headers. But I
don't remember the HTTP code. Only the presence of the "Location" header.

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#252461 — Re: Please help check Firefox DL page

FromSusan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-16 22:22 -0500
SubjectRe: Please help check Firefox DL page
Message-ID<dg0fl4Fe01cU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#252457
On 1/16/2016 9:35 PM, JJ wrote:

> Ha! They've fixed it. It redirects to the correct file version now.

I'm not seeing that here yet. FWIW below is a brief summary of the 
responses to my request for help (finished just before I saw your post).

The following people reported their Firefox DL was version 43.0.1

On 1/16/2016 12:11 AM, JJ wrote:
Asia
<https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/43.0.1/win32/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%2043.0.1.exe>

On 1/16/2016 7:48 AM, Andrzej P. Wozniak wrote:
Poland
It seems that this page is NOT updated for Windows at all - in any language
version.

NOTE: that's what I'm seeing here too

-----------------

The following people reported their Firefox DL was version 43.0.4

On 1/16/2016 1:13 PM, p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple 
wrote:
Download GB Windows x32 redirects to	
https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/43.0.4/win32/en-GB/Firefox%20Setup%2043
.0.4.exe

On 1/16/2016 9:35 AM, »Q« wrote:
https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/43.0.4/win32/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%2043.0.4.exe

On 1/16/2016 9:39 AM, Bill Day wrote:
Maryland, SA
https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/43.0.4/win32/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%2043.0.4.exe

----------------------

FYI - three Firefox file repositories:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/
https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/
https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/

Thanks to all who replied.   :)

Susan
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#252504 — Re: Please help check Firefox DL page

FromDiesel <me@privacy.net>
Date2016-01-17 18:27 +0000
SubjectRe: Please help check Firefox DL page
Message-ID<XnsA5928A21D6D2EF7D9A8@dieselpower.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#252461
Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com>
news:dg0fl4Fe01cU1@mid.individual.net Sun, 17 Jan 2016 03:22:52 GMT
in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: 

> On 1/16/2016 9:35 PM, JJ wrote:
> 
>> Ha! They've fixed it. It redirects to the correct file version
>> now. 
> 
> I'm not seeing that here yet. FWIW below is a brief summary of the
> responses to my request for help (finished just before I saw your
> post). 

You won't. Atleast, not for awhile. It's intentional on the part of 
Mozilla.
 
> The following people reported their Firefox DL was version 43.0.1

I did as well, on the first. Honestly though, I mentioned this issue 
when someone else mentioned v43.0.2 had been released.
 
> Thanks to all who replied.   :)

Which didn't really help to determine what the problem is.. 

I suspected it might have something to do with XP, and it does.. I 
reached out to Mozilla yesterday and got this reply this morning from 
them: 

Hi Dustin,

we only offer 43.0.1 on XP as a safe install, and then download 
43.0.4 as un update because of the SHA changes.  You can track what's 
going on with this in these two bugs.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1233779
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1236171





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#252542 — Re: Please help check Firefox DL page

FromSusan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-17 15:45 -0500
SubjectRe: Please help check Firefox DL page
Message-ID<dg2cppFt3q0U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#252504
On 1/17/2016 1:27 PM, Diesel wrote:

<SNIP>

> I
> reached out to Mozilla yesterday and got this reply this morning from
> them:
>
> Hi Dustin,
>
> we only offer 43.0.1 on XP as a safe install, and then download
> 43.0.4 as un update because of the SHA changes.

Ah so, , ,   and sure enough when I tried downloading Firefox from
<https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/>
with my Win 7 machine I was offered version 43.0.4
and when I tried the same DL link on my Win XP-SP2 machine and I was 
again offered version 43.0.1

> You can track what's
> going on with this in these two bugs.
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1233779
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1236171

If it's not a *BUG* but a *FEATURE* ISTM they should add that 
information to the web page.and revise the bug reports to indicate the 
actual situation

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1233779
"Bug 1233779 - Don't serve Firefox 43.0.2 and higher to XP SP2 users "
"Status: 	RESOLVED FIXED"
"Assigned To: 	Nobody; OK to take it and work on it "

<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1236171>
"Bug 1236171 - Manual download of Firefox 43.0.3 for Windows gives me 
43.0.1 instead "
"Status: 	RESOLVED INVALID "
"Assigned To: 	Nobody; OK to take it and work on it "
"URL: 	https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/#en-US  "

Pick one:
1. Firefox folks are arrogant
2. Firefox folks are insensitive and stupid
3. Firefox folks are arrogant AND insensitive AND stupid.

I'm voting for the third choice.

Susan (and yes, Microsoft does come to mind)
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#252550 — Re: Please help check Firefox DL page

From"Andrzej P. Wozniak" <uszer@poczta.onet.pl.invalid>
Date2016-01-17 22:10 +0100
SubjectRe: Please help check Firefox DL page
Message-ID<569c03b7$0$22841$65785112@news.neostrada.pl>
In reply to#252542
Osoba podpisana jako Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> w artykule
<news:dg2cppFt3q0U1@mid.individual.net> pisze:

> Pick one:
> 1. Firefox folks are arrogant
> 2. Firefox folks are insensitive and stupid
> 3. Firefox folks are arrogant AND insensitive AND stupid.
>
> I'm voting for the third choice.

Wrong. The first option should always be
1. They are stupid
as it's the most probable one.

Read <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor>, please:
/----
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
\----

See my other post for some explanation on possible stupidity.

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#252554 — Re: Please help check Firefox DL page

FromDiesel <me@privacy.net>
Date2016-01-17 21:24 +0000
SubjectRe: Please help check Firefox DL page
Message-ID<XnsA592A836FECAAF7D9A8@dieselpower.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#252542
Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com>
news:dg2cppFt3q0U1@mid.individual.net Sun, 17 Jan 2016 20:45:29 GMT
in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: 

> On 1/17/2016 1:27 PM, Diesel wrote:
> 
> <SNIP>
> 
>> I
>> reached out to Mozilla yesterday and got this reply this morning
>> from them:
>>
>> Hi Dustin,
>>
>> we only offer 43.0.1 on XP as a safe install, and then download
>> 43.0.4 as un update because of the SHA changes.
> 
> Ah so, , ,   and sure enough when I tried downloading Firefox from
> <https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/>
> with my Win 7 machine I was offered version 43.0.4
> and when I tried the same DL link on my Win XP-SP2 machine and I
> was again offered version 43.0.1

And this is another problem. My XP machines are SP3. They have no 
problem with the SHA-2 signed digital certificate Mozilla is using 
now.  They shouldn't be denied the manual download. They can install 
it, just fine. 

Reading more on the urls Chris provided me today, I've discovered 
it's because Mozilla can't determine the service pack in use, so 
they're just denying all XP machines the latest binary if you go that 
route. 

Poor programming on their part, and, rude as hell not to tell people 
who still might run XP that they aren't going to be able to download 
the latest binary via the normal route, outside the web browser.

>> You can track what's
>> going on with this in these two bugs.
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1233779
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1236171
> 
> If it's not a *BUG* but a *FEATURE* ISTM they should add that 
> information to the web page.and revise the bug reports to indicate
> the actual situation

I wouldn't call this a feature. SP2 and down has a problem with SHA-2 
signing, not SP3.

https://www.trustzone.com/Support/Compatibility/sha_2_compatibility

> Pick one:
> 1. Firefox folks are arrogant
> 2. Firefox folks are insensitive and stupid
> 3. Firefox folks are arrogant AND insensitive AND stupid.
> 
> I'm voting for the third choice.

Same here.
 


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#252590 — Re: Please help check Firefox DL page

From»Q« <boxcars@gmx.net>
Date2016-01-17 19:55 -0600
SubjectRe: Please help check Firefox DL page
Message-ID<20160117195559.7473bd2b@sepulchrave.remarqs>
In reply to#252542
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 15:45:29 -0500
Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:

> If it's not a *BUG* but a *FEATURE* ISTM they should add that 
> information to the web page.

I agree, but I don't think it's a big deal.  It caused some curiosity
here, but no more problem than that.

> and revise the bug reports to indicate the 
> actual situation
> 
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1233779
> "Bug 1233779 - Don't serve Firefox 43.0.2 and higher to XP SP2 users "
> "Status: 	RESOLVED FIXED"
> "Assigned To: 	Nobody; OK to take it and work on it "
> 
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1236171>
> "Bug 1236171 - Manual download of Firefox 43.0.3 for Windows gives me 
> 43.0.1 instead "
> "Status: 	RESOLVED INVALID "

IMO, the bug reports do indicate the actual situation.  1233779 is
fixed, so XP SP2 users aren't being served 43.0.2 and higher
installers.  1236171 is invalid, meaning the behavior described is
intended, not a bug.  1

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#252654 — Re: Please help check Firefox DL page

FromSusan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-18 12:14 -0500
SubjectRe: Please help check Firefox DL page
Message-ID<dg4kp5Fft04U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#252590
On 1/17/2016 8:55 PM, »Q« wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 15:45:29 -0500
> Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> If it's not a *BUG* but a *FEATURE* ISTM they should add that
>> information to the web page.
>
> I agree, but I don't think it's a big deal.  It caused some curiosity
> here, but no more problem than that.

<snip>

IMO it 's always a big deal when what you see is not what you get.  At 
best the "consumer" will conclude the "provider" screwed up.

Susan
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#252623 — Re: Please help check Firefox DL page

FromJJ <jj4public@vfemail.net>
Date2016-01-18 18:59 +0700
SubjectRe: Please help check Firefox DL page
Message-ID<1t5ko9burl1ia.1tflo2qqkqcfz$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#252542
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 15:45:29 -0500, Susan Bugher wrote:
> 
> Ah so, , ,   and sure enough when I tried downloading Firefox from
> <https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/>
> with my Win 7 machine I was offered version 43.0.4
> and when I tried the same DL link on my Win XP-SP2 machine and I was 
> again offered version 43.0.1

I just noticed. The URL redirection is based on the User-Agent HTTP request
header. I'm in XP SP3. Opera gives me v43.0.1, while my download manager
gives me v43.0.4. The download manager doesn't send any User-Agent HTTP
request header at all.

> If it's not a *BUG* but a *FEATURE* ISTM they should add that 
> information to the web page.and revise the bug reports to indicate the 
> actual situation

It's surprising to know that developers of that caliber still code using
assumption.

> Pick one:
> 1. Firefox folks are arrogant
> 2. Firefox folks are insensitive and stupid
> 3. Firefox folks are arrogant AND insensitive AND stupid.

Definitely 3.

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#252543 — Re: Please help check Firefox DL page

From"Andrzej P. Wozniak" <uszer@poczta.onet.pl.invalid>
Date2016-01-17 22:02 +0100
SubjectRe: Please help check Firefox DL page
Message-ID<569c0152$0$642$65785112@news.neostrada.pl>
In reply to#252504
Osoba podpisana jako Diesel <me@privacy.net> w artykule
<news:XnsA5928A21D6D2EF7D9A8@dieselpower.eternal-september.org> pisze:

> Hi Dustin,
>
> we only offer 43.0.1 on XP as a safe install, and then download
> 43.0.4 as un update because of the SHA changes.  You can track what's
> going on with this in these two bugs.
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1233779
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1236171


That's not quite true. The bug reports talk about Windows XP SP2 only, but
they block latest downloads for Windows XP SP2, SP3 and for Windows Vista.

It's complete misunderstanding to me. When I'm visiting "Download all" page
it means that I want download the latest version for another language or OS,
different from version reported by User Agent string of my browser.
IMHO they should either add separate column for Windows XP/Vista or remove
files for Windows 64-bit, MacOSX and Linux when browsing the page from
XP/Vista.
And why do they mix proper versions for MacOSX and Linux with wrong version
for Windows x64 (which requires Windows7+)?

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#252551 — Re: Please help check Firefox DL page

FromDiesel <me@privacy.net>
Date2016-01-17 21:24 +0000
SubjectRe: Please help check Firefox DL page
Message-ID<XnsA592A835F1EEFF7D9A8@dieselpower.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#252543
"Andrzej P. Wozniak" <uszer@poczta.onet.pl.invalid>
news:569c0152$0$642$65785112@news.neostrada.pl Sun, 17 Jan 2016
21:02:00 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: 

> Osoba podpisana jako Diesel <me@privacy.net> w artykule
> <news:XnsA5928A21D6D2EF7D9A8@dieselpower.eternal-september.org>
> pisze: 
> 
>> Hi Dustin,
>>
>> we only offer 43.0.1 on XP as a safe install, and then download
>> 43.0.4 as un update because of the SHA changes.  You can track
>> what's going on with this in these two bugs.
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1233779
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1236171
> 
> 
> That's not quite true. The bug reports talk about Windows XP SP2
> only, but they block latest downloads for Windows XP SP2, SP3 and
> for Windows Vista. 

I didn't know Vista was being blocked as well. I'm running XP SP3 so 
I already knew something was amiss. And it is.. on their end.
 
> It's complete misunderstanding to me. When I'm visiting "Download
> all" page it means that I want download the latest version for
> another language or OS, different from version reported by User
> Agent string of my browser. IMHO they should either add separate
> column for Windows XP/Vista or remove files for Windows 64-bit,
> MacOSX and Linux when browsing the page from XP/Vista.
> And why do they mix proper versions for MacOSX and Linux with
> wrong version for Windows x64 (which requires Windows7+)?

They should let me download the one i'm asking to download, and, if 
they think my OS might not support it, let me know that then. Leave 
it upto me to make the final decision.

 



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#252559 — Re: Please help check Firefox DL page

From"p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid>
Date2016-01-17 22:04 +0000
SubjectRe: Please help check Firefox DL page
Message-ID<1acevrdktoes0$.1ej7u55qfagim.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#252551
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 21:24:27 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:

> I didn't know Vista was being blocked as well. I'm running XP SP3 so 
> I already knew something was amiss. And it is.. on their end.

Well my browser on Vista is running 04 but if I go to that page I get 01.

What a mess.

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