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  MX-15 Linux released for Christmas Mark Warner <mhwarner.inhibitions@gmail.com> - 2015-12-24 17:48 -0500
    Re: MX-15 Linux released for Christmas Jeffrey Needle <jeff.needle@gmail.com> - 2015-12-25 04:53 -0800
    Re: MX-15 Linux released for Christmas Yrrah <Yrrah-acf@acf.invalid> - 2015-12-26 18:08 +0100
      Re: MX-15 Linux released for Christmas Mark Warner <mhwarner.inhibitions@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 12:28 -0500
        Re: MX-15 Linux released for Christmas Yrrah <Yrrah-acf@acf.invalid> - 2015-12-26 18:38 +0100
        Re: MX-15 Linux released for Christmas Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2015-12-28 07:13 -0500
    Re: MX-15 Linux released for Christmas "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 02:29 +0800
      Re: MX-15 Linux released for Christmas Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2015-12-26 15:10 -0800
        Re: MX-15 Linux released for Christmas Jeffrey Needle <jeff.needle@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 02:41 -0800
          Re: MX-15 Linux released for Christmas Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2015-12-27 04:35 -0800
            Re: MX-15 Linux released for Christmas »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2015-12-27 15:59 -0600
          Re: MX-15 Linux released for Christmas Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-12-27 10:54 -0200
          Re: MX-15 Linux released for Christmas Mark Warner <mhwarner.inhibitions@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 13:38 -0500
            Re: MX-15 Linux released for Christmas Jeffrey Needle <jeff.needle@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 13:14 -0800
        Re: MX-15 Linux released for Christmas "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 21:14 +0800
        Re: MX-15 Linux released for Christmas "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 21:39 +0800
      Re: MX-15 Linux released for Christmas Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2015-12-28 07:23 -0500
        Re: MX-15 Linux released for Christmas Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2015-12-28 07:24 -0500

#251025 — MX-15 Linux released for Christmas

This is worth checking out. Really, it is.

http://antix.mepis.org/index.php?title=Main_Page#News

http://www.mepiscommunity.org/mx

http://forum.mepiscommunity.org/index.php

-- 
Mark Warner
MEPIS Linux
Registered Linux User #415318
...lose .inhibitions when replying

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#251048

On Thursday, December 24, 2015 at 2:48:59 PM UTC-8, Mark Warner wrote:
> This is worth checking out. Really, it is.
> 
> http://antix.mepis.org/index.php?title=Main_Page#News
> 
> http://www.mepiscommunity.org/mx
> 
> http://forum.mepiscommunity.org/index.php
> 
> -- 
> Mark Warner
> MEPIS Linux
> Registered Linux User #415318
> ...lose .inhibitions when replying

I second the motion.  I've been waiting for this.  Installed it yesterday, and 
it runs like the wind!  Really excellent distro, IMO.

When I look at a distro, I want to see something that runs quickly and runs
the software I need.  This one does very nicely.

Thanks, Mark, for mentioning it.

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#251097

Mark Warner <mhwarner.inhibitions@gmail.com>:

> This is worth checking out. Really, it is.
> 
> http://antix.mepis.org/index.php?title=Main_Page#News
> 
> http://www.mepiscommunity.org/mx
> 
> http://forum.mepiscommunity.org/index.php

Would you recommend it a newbie?

BTW, just noticed a new SolydX(K) build. That looks like a really good
distro. However, it's low in Distrowatch's page ranking, which may not
mean a lot but could imply that not many users are interested in it. I
wonder why.

Yrrah

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#251102

On 12/26/2015 12:08 PM, Yrrah wrote:
> Mark Warner <mhwarner.inhibitions@gmail.com>:
>>
>> This is worth checking out. Really, it is.
>>
>> http://antix.mepis.org/index.php?title=Main_Page#News
>>
>> http://www.mepiscommunity.org/mx
>>
>> http://forum.mepiscommunity.org/index.php
>
> Would you recommend it a newbie?

Yes. If nothing else, the forums make using it worthwhile.

> BTW, just noticed a new SolydX(K) build. That looks like a really good
> distro. However, it's low in Distrowatch's page ranking, which may not
> mean a lot but could imply that not many users are interested in it. I
> wonder why.

The SolydXK project has had its ups and downs, but my understanding is 
that things are now stabilized and it's proven to be a solid platform 
for many.

-- 
Mark Warner
MEPIS Linux
Registered Linux User #415318
...lose .inhibitions when replying

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#251107

Mark Warner <mhwarner.inhibitions@gmail.com>:

> > Would you recommend it a newbie?
 
> Yes. If nothing else, the forums make using it worthwhile.

Yes, that's an important point, a good forum/newsgroup for newbies.
The Mint forum has a newbie section, "All Gurus once were Newbies".
http://forums.linuxmint.com/

Yrrah

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#251170

Mark Warner <mhwarner.inhibitions@gmail.com> writes:

> On 12/26/2015 12:08 PM, Yrrah wrote:
>
>> BTW, just noticed a new SolydX(K) build. That looks like a really good
>> distro. However, it's low in Distrowatch's page ranking, which may not
>> mean a lot but could imply that not many users are interested in it. I
>> wonder why.
>
> The SolydXK project has had its ups and downs, but my understanding is
> that things are now stabilized and it's proven to be a solid platform
> for many.

I've tried SolydX a couple of times and it seems to be a very nice
distro. I'm not looking to switch distros at this time, but I like to
spin up a vm of various things to try them every so often.

I'm not really a KDE fan, so I didn't try that version.

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#251112

On 12/25/2015 6:48 AM, Mark Warner wrote:
>
> http://www.mepiscommunity.org/mx
>

Just another typical Linux distribution for desktop users?

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#251118

Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> Just another typical Linux distribution for desktop users?

What are your categories of linux distros?  Typical vs atypical?

I don't think the question has meaning as stated, 'another typical'.

MX-15 is based on Debian stable, using XFCE as its default DE and is a 
relative of anti-X developed with the Mepis community and supported with 
numerous repositories for multimedia, mepis-deb mx, and also opera and 
virtual box. So it is a rolling release.

So, it is typical and not-so-typical.  It has a reputation for being 
lighter weight than many and more stable than many others and speedier 
than others.

-- 
Mike Easter

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#251133

On Saturday, December 26, 2015 at 3:10:42 PM UTC-8, Mike Easter wrote:
> Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> > Just another typical Linux distribution for desktop users?
> 
> What are your categories of linux distros?  Typical vs atypical?
> 
> I don't think the question has meaning as stated, 'another typical'.
> 
> MX-15 is based on Debian stable, using XFCE as its default DE and is a 
> relative of anti-X developed with the Mepis community and supported with 
> numerous repositories for multimedia, mepis-deb mx, and also opera and 
> virtual box. So it is a rolling release.
> 
> So, it is typical and not-so-typical.  It has a reputation for being 
> lighter weight than many and more stable than many others and speedier 
> than others.
> 
> -- 
> Mike Easter

Mike, I apologize for calling you "Mark" in another post.  It's late, and
I'm senile...<grin>

Is MX-15 really a rolling release?  Does this mean that, once I install it,
I won't ever have to install it again -- that updates will keep me current
forever?  Or am I misunderstanding this?

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#251136

Jeffrey Needle wrote:

> Mike, I apologize for calling you "Mark" in another post.  It's late, and
> I'm senile...<grin>

Mark Warner started this thread and you replied to him here earlier.

> Is MX-15 really a rolling release?  Does this mean that, once I install it,
> I won't ever have to install it again -- that updates will keep me current
> forever?  Or am I misunderstanding this?

anti-X is based on Debian which is rolling and is stated to be rolling.

I'm *assuming* that means that MX is ALSO rolling because it is also 
anti-X and also based on Debian, albeit MX is on Debian stable and 
anti-X parent is on Debian testing.

How well rolling releases 'hold up' has been the subject of some 
investigation by Jesse Smith of DistroWatch.  Last year he tested 5 
rolling releases, PCLOS, openSUSE, Debian, Arch, and PC-BSD over a 5 
week period and compared the experiences with each other.

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20141110#rolling

I think there are sufficient advantages and disadvantages to both/each 
fixed vs rolling releases that neither type release strategy holds a 
clear advantage.  How subject one's rolling release distro is to 
'breakage' is an important consideration.


-- 
Mike Easter

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#251157

On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 04:35:45 -0800
Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

> anti-X is based on Debian which is rolling and is stated to be
> rolling.
> 
> I'm *assuming* that means that MX is ALSO rolling because it is also 
> anti-X and also based on Debian, albeit MX is on Debian stable and 
> anti-X parent is on Debian testing.

Debian stable isn't rolling, so I don't think MX is rolling.  The
migration notes for MX also seem to indicate it's not only not rolling
but that they don't care much about making it manageable to move from
one release to the next.  For moving from an installed MX-15 beta 1 to
beta 2 is "Not recommended and not supported." And "From MX-14.4 to
MX-15: you're on your own!"  

> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20141110#rolling
> 
> I think there are sufficient advantages and disadvantages to
> both/each  fixed vs rolling releases that neither type release
> strategy holds a clear advantage.  How subject one's rolling release
> distro is to 'breakage' is an important consideration.

I use Gentoo, which rolls and years ago had a reputation for a lot of
breakage.  I haven't had any breakage in years.  I do have to pay
attention to news items delivered by the package manager, but they are
pretty good.  From looking at non-rolling migration guides, I'd say the
pain is about equal, just spread out over time for me instead of coming
once or twice a year.

1  http://mepiscommunity.org/migration

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#251137

On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 02:41:09 -0800 (PST), Jeffrey Needle
<jeff.needle@gmail.com> wrote:

>Is MX-15 really a rolling release?  Does this mean that, once I install it,
>I won't ever have to install it again -- that updates will keep me current
>forever?  Or am I misunderstanding this?

	If you set Debian to update to "unstable" repos, it will
usually have the latest versions of software, to all effects, it is a
rolling release.
	And as they point out in the guide, that will make it
windows-like, since it will have the most dep problems, "unintended"
security issues etc. So it will have bugs and occasionally need to be
hand-cranked to work. When they get fixed, they are shoved into
"testing".
	So testing is also "rolling", but some software will not be up
to date.

https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian

	I'm currently running Debian LXDE wheezy with sloppy
backports, so my software is more or less up to date. But it is not
"rolling", it will keep to the wheezy repos.

http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/

	Was that complicated enough ?
	:)
	[]'s

	PS I'm talking Debian here. Depending on how far a distro has
wandered away from the mother ship, it might not work. If I ran
Ubuntu, I would never use Debian repos. Re MX-15, dunno.
-- 
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy  - Google 2012

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#251150

On 12/27/2015 05:41 AM, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
>
> Is MX-15 really a rolling release?

No. It is based on Debian Jessie. Not Debian stable, not Debian testing. 
Jessie.

# Debian Stable. Default for MX-15.
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
#deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free

# Multimedia Stable.
# Use to install libdvdcss2 and codecs.
#deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org jessie main non-free

>  Does this mean that, once I install it,
> I won't ever have to install it again -- that updates will keep me current
> forever?  Or am I misunderstanding this?

It will not. It will get updated through the Debian Jessie repos and 
backports, and through the MX Community repos.

-- 
Mark Warner
MEPIS Linux
Registered Linux User #415318
...lose .inhibitions when replying

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#251153

Well, I never fail to learn every time I ask a question here.  Many thanks to
all.  Avoid the "unstable" repos, stick with the repos that are enabled by 
default in MX-15, and it looks like all be we well.

Best to all in the new year!

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#251140

On 12/27/2015 7:10 AM, Mike Easter wrote:
>
> So, it is typical and not-so-typical.  It has a reputation for being
> lighter weight than many and more stable than many others and speedier
> than others.
>

Because both Ubuntu and Fedora offers similar features, so I called this 
MX15 "typical". :)

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#251142

On 12/27/2015 7:10 AM, Mike Easter wrote:
> MX-15 is based on Debian stable, using XFCE ....

Please note that Debian is just a management company. :)

-- 
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   ^ ^   21:33:01 up 2 days 13:10 0 users load average: 0.00 0.01 0.05
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#251172

"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> writes:

> On 12/25/2015 6:48 AM, Mark Warner wrote:
>>
>> http://www.mepiscommunity.org/mx
>>
>
> Just another typical Linux distribution for desktop users?

Thank you for your extremely informative response to Mark's article. I
wait with bated breath for every such pearl of wisdom and read your
posts religiously.

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#251173

Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> writes:

> "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 12/25/2015 6:48 AM, Mark Warner wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.mepiscommunity.org/mx
>>>
>>
>> Just another typical Linux distribution for desktop users?
>
> Thank you for your extremely informative response to Mark's article. I
> wait with bated breath for every such pearl of wisdom and read your
> posts religiously.

Sorry, forgot to add a :)

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