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  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-17 23:14 +0000
    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-18 00:12 +0000
      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 00:58 +0000
        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-17 19:29 -0600
      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-18 06:27 +0000
        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 14:29 +0000
        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-20 20:55 +0000
          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-20 16:02 -0500
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-23 01:14 +0000
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-23 03:49 +0000
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-23 11:34 +0000
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 00:32 -0600
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-23 20:41 +0000
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-23 20:49 +0000
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 15:38 -0600
                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-01-23 15:50 -0600
                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 15:59 -0600
                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-23 22:06 +0000
                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 16:09 -0600
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 00:07 +0000
                              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 18:27 -0600
                                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-01-23 19:16 -0600
                                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 02:00 +0000
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-24 07:50 +0000
                                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-24 07:56 +0000
                                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 02:34 -0600
                                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 11:54 +0000
                                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 02:49 -0600
                                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 13:39 +0000
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-01-24 06:10 +0000
                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2019-01-25 09:14 -0600
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 17:42 +0000
                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 00:02 +0000
                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 15:54 -0600
                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 16:41 -0600
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 07:09 -0600
                              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 14:38 +0000
                                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-01-25 09:49 -0500
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 17:42 +0000
                                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:51 -0600
                                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
                                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:23 -0600
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 22:43 +0000
                                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 17:18 -0600
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-25 15:21 +0000
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:48 -0600
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
                              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 13:33 +0000
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <XxuB8T967dUpoKQ8.R9P892p5GIKabIS11TMpG7N8dpaGh90cjaXByxpT@dont-email.me> - 2019-01-20 22:09 +0000
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-01-27 12:46 -0800
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 15:21 +0000
        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-21 04:51 +0000
    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-18 04:18 +0000
      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-18 06:27 +0000
        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 15:01 +0000
          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 15:27 +0000

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#314071

Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> news:q2fj8v$1kk1$6@gioia.aioe.org Fri,
25 Jan 2019 18:07:29 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> On 2019-01-25 9:42 a.m., arlen holder wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 09:49:59 -0500, Wolf K wrote:
>> 
>>> I suppose you believe that this kind of chiding will have some
>>> effect, such as teaching us "children" to behave like "adults."
>>>
>>> If the above and similar insulting rants indicate how you think
>>> an adult behaves, then I'm glad you don't think I am one.
>> 
>> Thank you Wolf K for proving my point.
>> o Yet again, Wolf K, you _completely_ miscomprehend my strategy &
>> tactics. 
>> 
>> What's sad is that even when I _explained_ them, in detail, you
>> still miscomprehend my strategy & tactics.
>> 
>> It's shocking, actually, that people like you actually exist.
>> 1. Either you're really _that_ incredibly stupid, Wolf K., or
>> 2. You're just incessantly playing silly childish games, Wolf K,
>> or, 3. You really do _believe_ you understood my strategy &
>> tactics. 
>> 
>> HINT:
>> 1. My strategy is to get technical answers (I'm not a chit chat
>> poster). 
> 
> That's a lie.

Not totally. They do try to get technical answers in the form of step 
by step instructions written for a clueless idiot. Which they'll 
happily take full credit for in an upcoming spammy tutorial. :)

>> 2. My tactics are twofold - only one of which applies to you:
>> a. For the adults, I respond as a logical adult would respond.
> 
> That's a lie.

True.
 
>> b. For the children, I respond to make it "less fun" for you,
>> Wolf K. 
> 
> And that's a lie.
> 
>:-)

True again.

 



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'If Jiminy Cricket was here, I'd skoosh him.' -- Calvin

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#314070

Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> news:tmF2E.94550$5h3.1019@fx09.iad
Fri, 25 Jan 2019 14:49:59 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> On 2019-01-25 09:38, arlen holder wrote:
> [...]
>> *Yet again, Cybe(r) Wizard, nothing ever comes out of you of
>> adult value.* 
> [...]
> 
> I suppose you believe that this kind of chiding will have some
> effect, such as teaching us "children" to behave like "adults."
> 
> If the above and similar insulting rants indicate how you think an
> adult behaves, then I'm glad you don't think I am one.
> 

I don't know of any actual adults, besides the Anoncoward who displays 
that style of thought processing, or anything else. Arlen is in good 
company there. :)


-- 
And he disappeared in a puff of logic.

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#313973

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 14:38:42 -0000 (UTC)
arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

> *Yet again, Cybe(r) Wizard, nothing ever comes out of you of adult
> value.*

The recognition and outing of liars is of great, nay, tremendous value.

Otherwise you wouldn't be spending so much on you time trying to weasel
out of the fact that you are now a well-known liar because of:
Message-ID: <po4626$vpu$1@news.mixmin.net>
in which you claim to have written TEN THOUSAND tutorials.

Cybe R. Wizard -will not stop until you admit that you are a liar
-- 
"No. There is no balance, and no retribution, and no rules. The rules
and balances you blather about are hopeful creations of a man
fearing..."	
	Dave Eggers

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#313974

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 16:23:57 -0600, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:

> Cybe R. Wizard -will not stop until you admit that you are a liar

Hi Cybe(r) Wizard,

Notwithstanding the fact that _one_ tutorial, is far more than you've
contributed, what's amazing is your complete & utter lack of comprehension.

No amount of fact will ever get through to your left-side DK brain.
o You actually _believe_ you know how the lemon-juice trick works.
o That is, you can't comprehend that you can't comprehend what I had said.

That you don't comprehend what I said, is stellar for Left Dunning-Kruger.
o Absolutely no amount of logic are you capable of comprehending.
o You claim the lemon-juice trick works - despite not comprehending it.

To wit, you don't even _comprehend_ what I claimed.
o Far worse ... sadly ... you can't comprehend that you can't comprehend.

You prove me correct in _every_ repetition of your lack of comprehension.

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#313978

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 22:43:41 -0000 (UTC)
arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 16:23:57 -0600, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> 
> > Cybe R. Wizard -will not stop until you admit that you are a liar  
> 
> Hi Cybe(r) Wizard,

As you have again failed to be honest with and about yourself, TL;DR.

Waste all the time you wish writing these huge denials of the truth.

The truth is both simple and  right here:
Message-ID: <po4626$vpu$1@news.mixmin.net>
where you lie about having written TEN THOUSAND tutorials.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
A liar is always lavish of oaths.
	Pierre Corneille

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#313963

Cybe R. Wizard <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 15:54:43 -0600
> "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> The Dunning/Kruger effect is just that, a psychological EFFECT which
>> is not graphed or even graph-able.
> 
> Such proves not to be the case:
> https://graphpaperdiaries.com/2017/08/20/the-real-dunning-kruger-graph/

Nice. Thanks for the link.

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#313975

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:42:06 -0000 (UTC)
arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

> Hi Cybe(r) Wizard,
> 
> Notwithstanding the fact that _one_ tutorial, is far more than you've
> contributed, what's amazing is your complete & utter lack of
> comprehension.

I perceive and fully comprehend that it would be almost an impossibility
for one person to have written TEN THOUSAND tutorials as you have
claimed in:
Message-ID: <po4626$vpu$1@news.mixmin.net>

Help me comprehend otherwise by showing us that list.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Comprehension follows perception.
	Philip K. Dick

“Truth is only relative to those that ignore hard evidence.” 
	A.E. Samaan

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#314068

arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> news:q2e9b5$god$1@news.mixmin.net
Fri, 25 Jan 2019 06:11:50 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 23:37:58 -0600, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> 
>> That would appear to be the case at first sight but I'm pretty
>> sure it only really applies to 'lay' people.
>>> https://graphpaperdiaries.com/2017/08/20/the-real-dunning-kruger-
>>> graph/ 
> 
> I'm going to risk responding to you Cybe(r) Wizard (& Dan Purgert)
> as an adult would - which - I realize - is likely an exercise in
> futility (particulary because both of you play silly little
> semantic games). 

You aren't starting off so well with your Adult response.
 
> The DK effect is a cognitive bias which is why I used 3 categories
> to explain the type of responses that you, Diesel, Snit, nospam,
> etc., exhibit.

I don't think you're really in a position to make such statements 
concerning any of the people on your list. Armchair usenet psy isn't 
new Arlen. I hope you won't be trying to take credit for it.
 
> o People with low abilities tend to overestimate their abilities
> o And they tend to overestimate what it takes for others to attain
> their level of ability 

I haven't over estimated my abilities Arlen. I have the paperwork and 
easily google track records to verify it.
 
> On the right side of actual skills:
> o People with high abilities tend to underestimate their abilities
> o And they tend to underestimate what it takes for others to
> attain their level of ability 

Guilty as charged. I'm a terrible teacher, so I've been told, 
numerous times. I don't have the patience for it.
 
Based on your own criteria, you fall far to the left hand side, so 
far left infact, you risk bending the needle if it were a gauge.


> It turns out, Cybe R Wizard, it's impossible to talk to you, as if
> you are an adult. I just don't have the skill set required to drop
> down to your level.

Rise upto his level. It's okay, typos happen.
 
> I apologize. I just can't drop to your level and cover every
> semantic game your tiny little childish brain can come up with. I
> just can't. 

Oh, let's be fair Arlen. You can't even get an IDE for programming an 
Android device up and running without extensive hand holding help, 
youtube videos and a pile of googling. That doesn't exactly speak 
praises for your own mental capabilities, or, properly stated, 
limitations.
 

> o Diesel, Dustin Cook, and a host of other nyms

Back to your gullible comment I referenced earlier. This is an 
example of it. I have ONE nym and one real name. Contrary to what the 
Anoncoward states, multiple times, with nothing to back it up, I'm 
not Char Jackson or any of the other posters its claimed I am on more 
than one occasion, and despite it's claims, I've never posted to 
usenet via a remailer or a series of them.

I don't have ANY socks in the digital sense. Had I not done laundry 
last night, I'd have no socks in the literal sense today. lol.

And, prior to Anoncoward doing their best to list all of the handles 
I've used since my lifetime, you knew nothing about any of them, 
because despite your claims, we have not known each other for decades 
on usenet. I wouldn't have forgotten someone like you. You're far too 
fucked up in the head, much like David Brooks for me to have 
forgotten you.

For someone as hungup on proof as you claim, One would think the last 
thing you'd take without a single shred of proof would be anything 
posted by someone who feels it necessary to hide behind one or more 
remailers. Instead, you show that proof is a term you use 
extensively, but don't actually know the words meaning. Your quoted 
words above, along with others quite similiar to them is actual proof 
in the real sense of that, along with your extreme gullibility. Two 
for one. heh.



-- 
'YOU NAAAAASTY MAN!' - Joe Penner

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#314069

arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> news:q2fhpc$ia6$4@news.mixmin.net
Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:42:06 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 07:04:11 -0600, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> 
>> It isn't a semantic game to call a liar a liar.  You, sir, are a
>> liar. 
> 
> Hi Cybe(r) Wizard,
> 
> Notwithstanding the fact that _one_ tutorial, is far more than
> you've contributed

Not with standing that you haven't got the foggiest idea what Cybe 
has or hasn't written has nothing to do with your prior claims of 
having written ten thousand tutorials for the benefit of the tribal 
knowledge. 

You can easily clear up the misunderstanding you caused by stating 
you were figuratively speaking and not literally. If you comprehended 
the difference, that is.

It's semi obvious though, that you do not. As, instead of clarifying 
what you meant by the statement, you're attempting to distract from 
being called out by stating that one tutorial is far more than cybe 
has contributed, except that you have no actual proof to back that 
statement up, either.

I don't think anyone actually took your statements in the literal 
sense. If anything, they've been giving you a simple and easy way out 
of the lie accusation, by using the proper terminology to describe 
what you were actually doing. 

Think of it as a test, based on curiosity concerning your own 
reading/writing comprehension level. The proper word to use to 
describe your ten thousand tutorial claim is figurative. So much for 
that superior cali education.

Yes, I'm confident you aren't familiar with the words meaning, 
because, had you been, you would have put the matter to rest when it 
was first brought up. Instead, you dance around it, like a small 
child who's been caught, red handed doing something they shouldn't 
have been doing. 

> HINT: You missed all formally published notes - which you can't
> comprehend. 

I was reading multiple layer electronic schematic diagrams before I 
could properly print my name. So, let's drop the comprehend nonsense. 
I comprehend subjects far above your paygrade, just fine.
 
> To wit, you don't even _comprehend_ what I claimed.
> o Far worse ... sadly ... you can't comprehend that you can't
> comprehend. 

Please, use proper grammar when trying to be insulting. It's like 
using a gun with the business end pointed in the wrong direction.

Arlen, my man, you are one of the very reasons warning stickers 
exist. For example, on an anti personal mine, it clearly states which 
side should be facing the enemy. Just in case you aren't smart enough 
to know this, or you didn't pay attention during training. Yes, 
Arlen, people just like you are why those stickers exist. It's a 
security blanket for actual low intelligence persons.

Incidently, those stickers aren't placed on such things if only one 
person fucks up. Multiple people all had to do the same thing for the 
sticker cost to be approved. And that's not restricted to military 
things, either.
 
> You prove me correct in _every_ repetition of your lack of
> comprehension. 

Your statement as provided, untouched by you, isn't logical and 
doesn't make any actual sense. It might as well be random words 
strung together. The end result is the same.
 



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#314078

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Diesel wrote:
> [...]
> I was reading multiple layer electronic schematic diagrams before I 
> could properly print my name. So, let's drop the comprehend nonsense. 
> I comprehend subjects far above your paygrade, just fine.

I bet those get fun.  

>  
>> To wit, you don't even _comprehend_ what I claimed.
>> o Far worse ... sadly ... you can't comprehend that you can't
>> comprehend. 
>
> Please, use proper grammar when trying to be insulting. It's like 
> using a gun with the business end pointed in the wrong direction.

Oh, he's Polish.  This makes SO much more sense now.

>
> Arlen, my man, you are one of the very reasons warning stickers 
> exist. For example, on an anti personal mine, it clearly states which 
> side should be facing the enemy. Just in case you aren't smart enough 
> to know this, or you didn't pay attention during training. Yes, 
> Arlen, people just like you are why those stickers exist. It's a 
> security blanket for actual low intelligence persons.

I still say we should remove them, and let Darwin sort out the problem.

Everyone else says I'm a heartless bastard for some reason.


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#314072

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> news:gb0qk7FoekeU2
@mid.individual.net Fri, 25 Jan 2019 16:08:39 GMT in alt.os.linux, 
wrote:

> Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't want to be an adult yet, I'm *only* 85
> 
> Never grow up! 🤜🏻 
> 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJJ-ZLdrTwY


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#314073

arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> news:q2eaim$irh$1@news.mixmin.net
Fri, 25 Jan 2019 06:32:56 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> I'm trying to comprehend _why_ people do what they prove to do.
> o The question is a _serious_ question.

You need to learn what the word comprehend means before you can do
this, Arlen. Based on your own posts, it's quite clear you don't
know the words actual meaning, but toss it around as if you did. 
 
> Bear in mind the goal is to _understand_ people like Snit, nospam,
> Jolly Roger, Diesel, Dustin Cook, Char Jackson, Wolf K., Alan
> Baker, Tim Streater, Alan Browne, Savageduck, Wade Garrett, BK at
> OnRamp, Lloyd, Hemidactylus, Your Name, John Doe, Rene Lamantagne
> Jasen Betts, Wolf K, Rudy Weiser, Good Guy, et al.

Is there a particular reason you feel it necessary to use my posting
handle as well as my first and last name? I realize you're a very
gullible individual, but, that's no excuse for what you're doing. 
 
In fact, it disputes another claim of yours; that you've known me
for decades on usenet. I always stated that was infact, a lie on
your part. You recently learned my name (which isn't a secret)
thanks to the anoncoward, along with some of my older handles. 

And, being the gullible usenet twit you are, took every single thing
they wrote about me at face value, without question and without
anything that could even be remotely close to the truth. 

Don't believe me? Good! Here's some examples of their lying:

MID: <3d2a9cb78212435f8d0ca9a707c6ee5a@haph.org>
 http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=153173161400
 He is on probation for hosting the Melissa Virus. 
 
 MID:  <84cc91b8994db4a150e15155c499e0f5@hoi-polloi.org>
 http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=153173179500
 He lied about not hosting Melissa. So why believe this lying
 shittard when he says he was not put on probation for hosting
 viruses, including Melissa? His probation period is over, but
 he's been warned that if they EVER catch him doing the virus 
 shit again, he's toast. His next conviction will result in prison 
 time.
 
 http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=150749973600
 MID: <84cc91b8994db4a150e15155c499e0f5@hoi-polloi.org>
 However, I do have a "friend" or two who are intimately 
 (personally) familiar with the facts regarding his arrest
 and conviction. The(y) got him. Pure and simple, they got him.

Pretty serious story there to be completely pulling from your
asshole. Like you Arlen, they didn't think their claims could be
checked for accuracy. 

They can. They have. Here you go: 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melissa_(computer_virus)

 https://www.justice.gov/archive/criminal/cybercrime/press-releases/2002/melissaSent.htm 

You won't find my name mentioned anywhere at those urls, describing 
what happened, and who got busted for it. David (melissas author) 
was not charged for writing the virus (that wasn't and still isn't 
illegal) he was charged for malicious spreading, which he did and
fully admitted to having done. Along with the hacking of the aol
account he used to post it to usenet. Had he just written and
released the virus on a pro vx site as I did mine, he would have
been fine from a legal aspect. but, he didn't stop with that. He
posted it disguised as something else to usenet; and that's where he
crossed the line to outright illegal as fuck all.

Unlike you Arlen, despite your claiming to do so, I did provide 
facts (proof) to backup everything I wrote in this reply. That is, 
you're a gullible liar, and! the remailer is a lying toadie. You 
make a good team now that I think about it. As, they ran out of
suckers on the majority of newsgroups I haunt. Too many regulars who
know me and some of my background also found holes in the remailers
stories and the remailer never appreciated those holes being
commented on, or brought to light for further analysis.  

The Anoncoward, as you have no choice now but to learn, is a well 
known liar and story teller. They can't find enough actual bad dirt 
on me, they have to go and make some up! Hows it feel knowing they
took you for a ride? Are you even the least bit
ashamed of further spreading bullshit about another poster? 

It's a rhetorical question, Arlen. I don't expect you to be able to 
answer it as any reasonable answer you provided would require you
admitting you were wrong. Considering your well known inability to
issue an apology when it's warranted, I don't expect to see you 
admitting you're wrong anytime soon, either. 

It's not within you. It's only available to those with a spine and
backbone, and, let's call it for what it is. You clearly don't have
either. I only provided all those facts and further details behind
it to prove how gullible and what a liar you are. Wasn't hard,
either. 

Not to shabby for someone who as you put it several times, has the
mental capacity of a stupid child. if only you understood irony,
Arlen. 

> All the people in the list (& more) _constantly_ exhibit this
> trait: 1. Are they really that incredibly stupid (but who is
> _that_ dumb?) 2. Are they simply always pulling our leg (but for
> what gain?) 3. Or, do they actually _believe_ what they write?

I'm not pulling anybodies leg. I'm always subject to peer review due
to some rat bastard code I wrote, nearly two decades ago now; so it
wouldn't benefit me in the least little bit to even try bullshitting
you or anyone else. I'd be called out for it, and, rightfully so. 

> I believe _this_ well-known real-world example, is classic to
> describe the kind of people I'm trying to comprehend, in this
> case, Snit (along with Jolly Roger, nospam, and most of the
> canonical Apple Apologists). 

As has been shown above, you and comprehension are not the best of
friends. Hell, you aren't even on a first name basis with it. 
 
> SITUATION:
> o I tested iOS and found it incapable of a certain feature.

Umm, no. As much as I dislike iOS for my own personal reasons, you
can't blame the OS for your own inability to do something with it. 
It's not the OS fault, that's entirely on you. 

> o I posted the facts to the iOS newsgroup

You posted your unfounded opinion, derived from not only ignorance,
but, an ego as well. Too proud to admit you were stuck to ask for
help. Instead, you theorize (you'll probably need to use a
dictionary to look that one up too) about why the iOS isn't doing
what you're expecting. Naturally, due to your ego, it has to be the
others in question, and nothing you're doing wrong. 


> It's all about _comprehension_ of facts.

Yes, it is. How are you doing with comprehending that the Anoncoward 
tells alot of completely made up stories about me? And that you, 
took them all, hook line and sinker, without even a shred of proof 
to support anything they wrote? Do you need more examples besides
it's arrested for the Melissa virus story? I can provide several
more, if you'd like. Or, do you comprehend (heh) the point now?
 
> (Note: This is just one example of what those on the list do!)
> 
> What drives them to appear to be so incredibly stupid?

So what is driving you then? Spill it. 



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#313725

arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> news:q22n7l$9a5$1@news.mixmin.net
Sun, 20 Jan 2019 20:55:18 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: 

> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 06:27:21 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:
> 
>> He's very amusing at times with what he thinks are witty insults.
> 
> Hi Diesel,
> I have a strategy which is to use Usenet to get answers to tech
> questions. (Yeah, crazy strategy ... I know ... many use Usenet
> for their amusement.) 

You make some wild assumptions about what you think others do with 
usenet and a variety of other items you write nonsense about, 
Arlen...
 
> My strategy is to share & cull & combine data to solve problems,
> together. I use tactics to manage the threads where I ask those
> technical questions. 

You belittle and insult those (like myself) who could be of benefit 
to you, in so far as correctly answering technical questions and 
presenting useful problem solving skills. There's no advantage for 
you to use childish insults towards so many, Arlen. 
 
> Two tactics I use consistently are to:
> a. Mirror the implied intent of each post - regardless of prior
> history b. Directly confront the cowardly bullies - of which you
> are one 

Other than your childish attack towards myself, the rest of what you 
wrote doesn't make any sense, either. 

> The goal is for you to KNOW that I will do that.

I don't much care, Arlen.

> o I will simply let _you_ make a fool of yourself, Dustin.

Okay. When do you plan to do that?

> o By pointing out the very words that you post (they're always of
> a child) 

Cite specific examples, please.
 
> Bear in mind, Diesel, and those like you, Dustin.

Diesel is fine. We haven't reached a first name basis just yet.

> o While there is no love lost between us - I don't care about you.

This personal feeling you've expressed has what to do with the 
thread?

> o I just want you to act like an adult when posting to threads I
> care about 

I've yet not to do so, Arlen. Have you ever thought (perish the 
thought) that your own attitude might be the problem?
 
> Simple. Consistent. 
> o A strategy to work a thread so that technical answers result.
> o Tactics that fit that strategy and that deter childish bullies
> like you. 

I do assist in technical threads. You can find thousands where I've 
done so. I choose not to give you easy answers to your questions, 
specifically. That's not being a bully Arlen. It's a personal choice 
that I'm free to make.
 
> After having said that, you now know my strategy & tactics Diesel.
> o Some bullies, like Char Jackson & Snit & Wolf K insists on their
> rights o They, like Alan Baker & Jason Betts insist on a God-given
> right to Troll. 

Arlen, I don't know any of those people as bullies. Or trolls.
 
> At times, even I must deviate from my tactics and respond to them
> that o This is my last response to you in this thread (to save
> everyone else). 

I don't care if you respond or not. 
 
> Much to everyone's pleasure, Diesel, I say that now to you,
> Dustin. 

My name isn't exactly new information Arlen. Although, it's common 
practice to address the poster by the posting nym, not their name.
 
I realize that along with childish insult efforts, you'll resort to 
being an outright disrespectful prick as well. That's most likely 
because I've already seen (as have you) several posts from others 
who've already told you that I am (as I told you originally) one of 
the people who lurk here who could actually provide you the 
information you wanted concerning those drive letter mappings...

My refusal to do so, especially after a little confirmation could be 
an annoying thing for you. Maybe you'll reconsider coming off as such 
an asshole right away in the future when you interact with someone 
you don't know?

> Hence, it matters not to me whether you post as Casio, Diesel, 
> Diesel-Dum, Dustin Cook, Gremlin, Raid, Slam, et al.

ROFL. Didn't post to usenet as Casio. Was a very short lived handle. 
Needed something else to sign a particular piece of code 
with...Happened to be wearing a casio watch - done deal. rofl. True 
story, too.
 
> You love to dox people, Diesel, just as David Brooks & Aardvark
> do. You doxed David Eagle & Jenn Porter for example.
> You're' no different than Steve Carroll (aka David Brooks & maybe
> Good Guy). 

Not true. David Eagle, Jenn Porter, AND, David Brooks came after me 
FIRST. I just so happen to be a much fucking better shot, is all. 

I don't recall Aardvark ever doxing anyone.
 
> You wrote "virus families" as a vxer, disseminating them in the
> wild. You even hosted a web site related to those efforts.

I've been writing functional code (that is, not stupid hello world 
bullshit like you) since I was still single digit age. You know a 
very small amount about my coding time.

And what little you've learned about me certainly doesn't support 
your earlier claims of me being stupid. All my code is original, none 
was written with a hand holding gui or online tutorial. 

I spent a very small amount of time all things considering writing 
self replicating programs (viruses) and worms, Arlen. I'd been 
writing code for years prior to that.
 
> *Let me tell you a secret, Dustin.

Let me save you alot more trouble down the road with me, hopefully. 
I've used a variety of analog (and later digital, lol) scopes, 
meters, etc, to map out electronic and electrical circuits. I've been 
doing that stuff since I was single digit age.  I don't think I was 
even five years old yet when I got my first soldering iron. I started 
out reverse engineering electronic circuits. I took that mindset to 
computers, at a single digit age. I Never quit doing it. Getting a 
better picture now?

> In the chit-chat model, who you are may be important because 
> in general, you say nothing in every post.

Yet, for saying nothing, I'm sometimes accused of being too techie; 
please dumb it down further. [g] You are so fully of shit Arlen. You 
remind me of the anoncoward. It would tell bullshit that was easy to 
prove as being bullshit, just like you're doing now...
 
> I don't care if you posted as God herself - if you simply answer a
> question. 

I do, many times. Accurate and useful answers at that.
 
>> Watching him publish hello world programs as he went through
>> online tutorials for programming Android devices was hilarious
>> from my point of view; that being, decades of actual programming
>> experience on a wide variety of platforms. Not scripts, but,
>> actual programs that worked as intended, from scratch. No hand
>> holding GUI, etc. 
> 
> Hi Dustin,
> 
> I know you consider yourself a genius for having disseminated
> viruses. 

Where did you ever get that stupid idea? I've apologized many times 
over the years and 0wned the mistake of having written those 
programs, nearly twenty years ago now. 

> The problem, Diesel, is that you see me disseminating Hello World 
> programs, and you _think_ you can do better (which, maybe you
> can). 

Maybe? :) Just a couple of additional examples where I have continued 
to do so, for decades.

1) http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/core/
2) http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk

You just wrote material above, complaining about a few programs I 
wrote. And let's admit it, they're a bit more complicated to write 
than anything you've published. And that was nearly twenty years ago.

BugHunter wasn't exactly childsplay to write, the real challenges 
with that project was the reverse engineering of malware samples. 
That being said, it's a bit more complicated than anything you ever 
published.

> Nobody on this planet (but you) thinks disseminating a cut and
> paste "Hello World" is a stroke of genius. Nobody.
> Well, nobody but you.

You're not being logical, again. It's clear by what little you know 
of my coding background as well as the two urls above that I don't 
consider your efforts to be genius grade. rofl. 
 
> HINT: I always try to enable others to cut-&-paste what I can do
> (and I never claim to be a genius - I just claim to be at least
> average). 

The problem you have is that you aren't even Average. You're a 
childish old man, with according to new released information 
concerning how states rank with education; most likely isn't quite as 
educated as they let us on to think. Otherwise, many of the issues 
you present with you'd be able to solve entirely on your own, without 
the need for the tribe to hold your hand.
 


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#314044

On 1/25/19   PDT 8:29 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
> On 2019-01-25, arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2019 22:09:30 +0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:
>>
>>> You belittle and insult those (like myself) who could be of benefit
>>> to you, in so far as correctly answering technical questions and
>>> presenting useful problem solving skills. There's no advantage for
>>> you to use childish insults towards so many, Arlen.
>>
>> Hi Diesel,
>> I have to _explain_ something to you that you do not _comprehend_ yet.
>>
>> You add zero value to _any_ Usenet post. Zero. Nada. Zip. Nothing.
> 
> Dude, you are a leech sucking knowledge from people here and returning
> nothing but dreary diatribe.  even your insults are boring.
> 
>> o You _can't_ add any value Diesel.
> 
> He's made me smile a couple of times, that's value.
> 
>> What's the strangest thing, Diesel, is you _think_ alienating you is a
>> "bad" thing, but, it's actually a "good" thing.
> 
> You've got a unusual way of "alienating"
> 
>> Whom am I talking about who _never_ adds on-topic technical value?
>> o Snit, nospam, Jolly Roger, Dan Purgert, Cybe R Wizard, Char Jackson,
>> o Wolf K., Alan Baker, Tim Streater, Alan Browne, Savageduck, Wade Garrett,
>> o BK at OnRamp, Lloyd, Hemidactylus, Your Name, John Doe, Rene Lamantagne
>> o Jasen Betts, Wolf K, Rudy Weiser, Good Guy, Diesel, et al.
>>
>> All of you prove me right in every one of your posts!
> 
> Dude pull your head out of your ARse HOLe  and STOP LYING
> 
>> o The problem is that you _think_ you add value.
>> o And yet, you _prove_ you can't add value.
> 
>> Why?  I don't know why.
> 
> You come here lying and insulting people and then want them to respect
> you.  Maybe Donald Trump can teach you a few things, that seem to be
> his tactic, but even he never got more than 50%.
> 
>> More importantly, why are you trolls _always_ worthless?
>> Again, I don't know why.
> 
> To a thief the neighbourhood watch is of no value.
> 
>> o All I know is that you prove, in every post, to be worthless.
> 
>> You _claim_ knowledge you just do not have.
> 
> You claim to know things which are not true
> 

Seems a reasonable assertion.

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#314074

arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> news:q2ecr2$mpe$1@news.mixmin.net
Fri, 25 Jan 2019 07:11:31 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> On Sun, 20 Jan 2019 22:09:30 +0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:
> 
>> You belittle and insult those (like myself) who could be of
>> benefit to you, in so far as correctly answering technical
>> questions and presenting useful problem solving skills. There's
>> no advantage for you to use childish insults towards so many,
>> Arlen. 
> 
> Hi Diesel,
> I have to _explain_ something to you that you do not _comprehend_
> yet. 

Oh boy. 
 
> You add zero value to _any_ Usenet post. Zero. Nada. Zip. Nothing.

So, if, I provided even so much as one MID that contradicts your 
statement, then what?

> The way I know this is simply that you prove me right in every
> post. o You have never _once_ added value in any post I've read
> from you. o Not once.

You probably haven't read very many of my posts, then.
 
> My strategy is to obtain answers; my tactics are simple:
> 1. I work the thread to obtain the answer, and, 
> 2. I confront you childish bullying cowardly trolls.

If you wanted useful answers, and didn't want to spend a lot of time 
having to fish for them yourself, you would have issued that apology 
I requested months ago. Had you done so, you would have been able to 
solve one problem that's continued to escape you. I might have even 
gone so far as to show you how to write that silly timer you wanted 
in javascript for your android phone. That is, had you not been a 
totally disrespectful gobshite towards me.
 
> What's the strangest thing, Diesel, is you _think_ alienating you
> is a "bad" thing, but, it's actually a "good" thing. 

You aren't alienating me, Arlen. 

> Whom am I talking about who _never_ adds on-topic technical value?
> o Snit, nospam, Jolly Roger, Dan Purgert, Cybe R Wizard, Char
> Jackson, o Wolf K., Alan Baker, Tim Streater, Alan Browne,
> Savageduck, Wade Garrett, o BK at OnRamp, Lloyd, Hemidactylus,
> Your Name, John Doe, Rene Lamantagne o Jasen Betts, Wolf K, Rudy
> Weiser, Good Guy, Diesel, et al. 

Strange, since I recall seeing nearly all of those aforementioned 
individuals providing technical detail in more than one response.

Perhaps you need to tell us what technical value means to you? Me 
thinks it's yet another issue of you not understanding and/or using 
the proper terminology. In other words, it's a slider and/or File 
redirector all over again sort of discussion.
 
> You _claim_ knowledge you just do not have.

Cite an example, then.

> And, the proof is, that you will _never_ have that knowledge.
> It's beyond your mental comprehension ability.

Arlen, I'm not one for bsing about knowledge I do or don't have. I 
take great pride in shoving said knowledge down a non believers 
throat, actually. Had you read *any* posts from me, as you claimed 
above, you'd know that. I've done it on multiple occasions. I LOVE IT 
WHEN OTHERS DOUBT ME and give me the opportunity TO PROVE THEM WRONG.

I fuckin live for it. Do you really think I'd risk my own credibility 
and offer to give you technical information I didn't really have if 
you complied with my request for an apology? Don't be so damn stupid, 
Arlen. I don't bluff. Had you manned up and forked the apology over 
for your completely out of line comment, you'd know how to mount a 
drive letter to your android device internal/external memory in 
several different (but all functional and working!) ways by now. I 
would have provided all of the methods I know,step by step.

I told you this, several times, right in public. I wasn't bluffing 
you. I didn't earn the reputation as a blackhat not to be fucked with 
because I was a bluffer and/or bullshit artist. No, I was the kind of 
blackhat hacker you stayed awake worrying about -- and that's if you 
didn't even know me on a personal level. If you did and we weren't on 
good terms, you not only worried day to day, you had fucking 
nightmares about it during the night too. No joke.
 
> The only question is what makes your brain work the way it does?

It's no big secret that a hacker doesn't think like, for example, you 
do. Does it make us or you stupid? No, on both counts. It just means 
we tackle problems in a different manner.

> You keep telling me, Diesel, for example, how "smart" you are
> (e.g., how you write such wonderful code). You've said it time and
> again. 

You're putting words in my mouth. Anyone can see that you first 
brought up programming and incorrectly as you so often do, assumed I 
knew nothing about the subject. When I responded with some examples 
of my work, as compared to what you've shared with us, you took that 
to mean what you wrote above. 

> You keep deprecating my "hello world" skills for just one example.
> And for another, you deprecate my FTP-networking skills.

Certainly. I've never seen someone take such great pride in flooding 
a usenet newsgroup with source code (and a fucking guide no less) to 
what amounts to hello world type programs. There was no need for you 
or the other poster to do that. Email works well for such source code 
exchanges.
 
Your FTP networking skills leave much to be desired, too. That might 
be because I've been running ftp servers on various platforms for 
decades now and took offense to your nitwit attitude towards the 
technology.

> I don't mind that, Diesel, since I never said once that I was
> o A coding expert (heck, it's a "hello world" for Christs' sake)
> o A networking expert (heck, I've said many times I'm not)

That's certain...

> And yet, you, Diesel, and people like you, Diesel, e.g., Jolly
> Roger, Alan Baker, et al. (the list above, and more), _constantly_
> claim how "smart" you are.

Umm, no.. That's not how it went down. You posted a few days back, 
incorrectly assuming that I didn't have any coding skills. I 
corrected you and provided several examples; one of which you'd 
already complained about (computer virus) which still disputed your 
claim of my being stupid and/or unable to write code. Can't write a 
functional computer virus in a language like ASIC if you don't 
understand what the fuck you're doing. 

Newsflash, it takes MORE EFFORT to write a virus in ANY HLL/semi HLL 
than it does writing the same creature in native assembler. You 
really do have to have a firm grasp on the code and underlying 
principles, and be damn good with the language you opted to use, 
because there's a few things you can't do with it that you could in 
pure asm, and so you'll need to develop functional work arounds for 
those issues. That's one example of actual coding Arlen. What you've 
been doing, is nothing.

> That's fine - but ... but ... but.
> o You're almost always dead wrong!

Cite MIDs. We'll discuss.
 
> Why is it that, for example, almost everything nospam says, I can
> prove wrong in fewer than 10 seconds?

I'm not nospam. I can only write for myself. You claimed I was almost 
always dead wrong. Provide MIDs. Should be easy.



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Diesel wrote:
> [...]
> Your FTP networking skills leave much to be desired, too. 

Wait, what are "FTP Networking Skills" anyway?  I mean, these days it
amounts to "sudo apt-get install openssh-server" ... (yes, yes,
"defaults" and all, but the point remains)


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arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> news:q1ru3o$qlr$1@news.mixmin.net
Fri, 18 Jan 2019 07:09:45 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 06:27:21 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:
> 
>> He's very amusing at times with what he thinks are witty insults.
> 
> Again, THANK YOU! 

MID: <q22n7l$9a5$1@news.mixmin.net>

Forgot having already responded to this when you wrote that, huh? :) 
 
> You literally prove the point of this thread in every post,
> Diesel. 
> 
> Fact is, we go way back - you & me & Usenet - decades back.

No, we don't, Arlen. The fact you've been using various handles and
my first name in another reply doesn't mean we have history. That
just means you read what Anoncoward has been posting, and, believed
it all, based on your other reply,  hook line and sinker. 

I've been around usenet for decades, but, I really doubt you have;
and I really doubt we've ever interacted prior to your thread a few
months ago. I would have remembered someone with the attitude you
have and wouldn't have made the first reply to you, knowing from
prior experience it's outcome. 

> o We have NOTHING in common.

Computers are one thing we have in common in a very generalized
sense of the term, Arlen. 

> My strategy is well known, as are my (prior) tactics.

Yes, your strategy of trolling is known. I wouldn't go so far as to
say well known at the moment, but, if you continue working on it,
I'm sure it will be. 

> The key point is that (I thought) two types of people existed on
> Usenet: o Intelligentsia (e.g., Mike Easter, Paul, Marek Novotny,
> et al.) o Drivel (e.g., Char Jackson, Dustin Cook, Raid Slam,
> Gremlin, Casio, et al.) 

Char Jackson, despite your implication and further claims, isn't me.
Your opinion of the contents of my posts is nothing more than that,
An opinion. An unfounded one at that. 

> Since I CARE that the Usenet Q&A model works, I have to learn how
> to deal with trolls like you, Rene Lamontagne. 

I'm not Rene either. And, I don't find them to be a troll.
 
> If you change your implied intent

I have no implied intent. If you meant to say change by ignore what
you've previously written and continue writing about me and focus on
helping you solve your petty issues, you've got me confused for
someone who actually is stupid in a sense. Like the suckers (let's
just call them for what they are, sorry if the truth hurts) you've
been able to con into providing you technical advice so far. Even
going so far as to praise them for their efforts. It does remind me
of being a cowardly, arse licking, toadie, bitch. 

Some people are into such ego stroking. I'm not one of them. 

> The point is that there used to be only two reasons for your
> drivel: o Either you _really_ are that _unfathomably_ stupid, or,
> a o You're just playing your silly games (for your own Usenet
> amusement?) 

I can't very well be stupid AND have written the code you know
about, Arlen...I'm not playing any games, either. 
 
> Having said that, I've come to an epiphany which changes not how I
> deal with you cowardly bullying trolls when you bring your pile of
> steaming shit to the Potluck Picnic which is Usenet ... but which
> changes how I deal with you trolls (Rene Lamontagne, Char Jackson,
> Alan Browne, Alan Baker, Diesel, Snit, nospam, Jolly Roger, Dan
> Purgert, FredW, Wolf K, Good Guy, et al.) when you appear (as
> always) to be utterly incomprehensibly stupid. 

I understand why you write so much psycho babble bullshit now, after
reading a recent article. I've included it's link. 
 
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/least-educated-state-california-no-1-percentage-residents-25-and

I never did like the snow and absurd cold temperatures, but, I have
to admit; the education system up north, where I'm originally from 
was and still remains, far superior to anything you ever did in your
great state of cali. 

I'm sure the cell newsgroups you selected love to read your whiny 
posts. I've removed them from this followup. I left aol and acf 
only. The regulars of those groups must have known you far longer
than myself, I've never seen any of them offer to assist you with
Android projects much so far. :) 


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#313592

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:14:44 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:

> I can't speak for others, but, I'm far from stupid, Arlen. 

Hi Diesel (et al.),

*The Dunning-Kruger effect affects everyone with skills.*
o You. Me. Everybody.

In essence:
o Those with the least skills, overestimate the most, while
o Those with the most skills, tend to underestimate theirs, 
o With those with average skills tending to estimate best.

I'm only going to respond to you, Diesel, and not to the drivel who may
follow in your wake (e.g., Cybe R. Wizard, Dan Purgert, Jolly Roger, Tim
Streater, Alan Browne, Alan Baker, nospam, haemactylus, Char Jackson, Rene
Lamontagne, et al.), simply because the response to any one of you is the
same as the response to all.

Having said that, your claim that you're "not stupid" is instructive
because all of you prove the point I was trying to make, which is:
o *I used to think people like you on Usenet were either incredibly stupid,*
o *Or, that you were simply pulling our legs by denying basic obvious fact*
...
o *But now, I realize it's actually worse than that - far worse - in fact.*
o You're incapable of _comprehending_ that you're incapable of comprehending.

That is...
o *You're all _convinced_ that the lemon juice _actually_ worked!*
o *No amount of fact will disabuse you of your imaginary belief system.*

This is not meant as an insult; it's meant to underscore why I will no
longer attempt to deal with the likes of you using cold hard facts.

You're not capable of _comprehending_ even the _simplest_ of facts.
o Simply because you actually _think_ you do comprehend them!

Do you understand the conundrum Diesel?

I often said that people like you were stellar at being "immune to facts";
but that's because I had thought the problem was simply that of your 
o Ignorance, or, 
o Amusement.

Given that, my approach to responding to the likes of you was tactical:
o If you were simply ignorant - I supplied facts to back up everything;
o When you pulled our leg - I make it "less fun" for you.

That is, I followed the strategy of "confronting the Usenet bullies",
by using the standard tactic of standing up to you cowardly bullies.
o Bearing in mind the old adage of dropping to your level...

I was hoping for one of two effects depending on the reason you were immune
to basic facts...
1. If you were simply ignorant, I supplied you with facts.
And then... when you remained unfathomably incomprehensive, 
2. I simply assumed you were toying with us.

My tactics are well known and quite obvious:
o When you were incomprehensive - I supplied you with copious facts.
o When you remained incomprehensive - I belittled you to make it "less fun"
for you to play your silly games.

But that was the wrong approach!
o Thats! My epiphany.

The problem, I only belatedly realized, is that neither approach will 
work for the likes of you, Diesel, Char Jackson, Rene Lamontagne, 
Wolf K., Alan Baker, Tim Streater, nospam, Jolly Roger, BKatOnRamp, 
(and so many others that I tire even naming your entire bunch).

In the case of presenting facts to you (plural), Diesel:
o You're all literally _incapable_  of comprehending facts
o Due to a cognitive bias where you actually _think_ you can!

*That you are the epitome of the left-side DK effect - is my epiphany!*
o Facts will never work with the likes of you.
o Never.

In the case of confronting your bullying tactics, Diesel,
o It likely still works, to a degree, to make it "less fun" for you,
o However, you folks still insist on your God Given Right to Troll.

Hence, as noted many times, I eventually give up as you win when you
succeed in dropping me down to your level.

As you do now ... where you never add even a single iota of 
on-topic value to the thread conversation.

> I elected  not to help you for a very specific reason; and I made 
> that perfectly clear to you. 

Hehhehheh... Diesel, 

You (the plural "you", which includes the aforementioned trolls)
literally delude yourself, just as the lemon-juice bank robber did.

More to the point, _all_ of you Usenet wastes delude yourselves.
o For example, remember this "Snit" video?
  <https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo> 
o To this day, Snit still _believes_ he showed WiFi signal strength on iOS
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/PZuec56EWB0/qSXecrnZAQAJ> 

Even after _hundreds_ of posts - you _still_ can't comprehend basic fact.

You all are utterly incapable of ever comprehending even simple facts!
o But it's not (only) that you (all) prove to be incredibly stupid
o What I learned is that you are supremely incapable of comprehending facts

Each one of you, including you, _proves_ you don't even comprehend the
problem set, for Christs' sake, Diesel - let alone offer a solution.

In fact, in reference to what you're alluding to, I accidentally left out a
key step which I repeatedly _challenged_ you on when you said you could
perform the task - where absolutely _none_ of you drivel knew what I was
talking about.

Proof like that abounds that 
o You _think_ you're of at least average intelligence - but you're not
o Which is OK - it just means you're stupid - but it's worse than that.

*Your entire belief system is comprised of _imaginary_ content!*
o Your belief system is, therefore, entirely _immune_ to fact!
o Hence, I have been wasting my time providing well cited facts!

Very few people can answer my questions.. Very very few.
Paul. David Empson. Mike Easter, Marek (bless his soul) ... 
(the list of purposefully helpful intelligent people is rather short).

Certainly the likes of you, Diesel, will _never_ be able to.
o People like you never _intend_ to add to the tribal knowledge
o People like you _can't_ add to the tribal knowledge.

Sadly, you don't even realize why you shouldn't even try.
o It's not what I thought, which is that you're all immune to fact;
o Nor, is it that Usenet is your daily fact-free amusement.

No. Sadly. 
The problem is worse. Far worse.

You're all the epitome of the left-side of the Dunning-Kruger effect:
o You all literally actually _believe_ that the lemon juice trick works!

What that means is my epiphany - which is - there is ZERO response
to you that will _ever_ get the likes of you to comprehend fact.

The _reason_ you can't comprehend facts isn't so much that you're all
incredibly stupid (you are, but that's not the reason, since all these
facts are trivial even for people of low IQ as you all must be).

No. 

*The reason you can't comprehend facts, is that you _think_ you can.*
Thats! My epiphany.

> You were incapable of being a responsible adult and 
> issuing an apology. 

Hehhehheh... An apology Diesel?

First off, ask Cybe R. Wizard about apologies. 
Or even Mike Easter (who probably doesn't remember mine).

I have absolutely no problem apologizing when I make factual mistakes.
None.

A fact, to me, is merely a "thing". 
It's not "emotional" like it is to people like you on the DK left side.

To you (plural you in all cases here), a "fact" is something to "deny".
Just _look_ at how many times the likes of nospam outright denies fact.

Do you _really_ want me to include cite after cite after cite after cite?

I've been studying people like you for decades because, as you know, I
worked for decades in the Silicon Valley, with truly intelligent people,
after having gone to the best schools in this country, with trully
intelligent people, after having grown up in some of the most expensive
locations in the country, again, populated by truly intelligent people.

Compared to them, I'm of average intelligence, if even that.
I've never said otherwise.

But people like you, Diesel, are so far below those people I just mentioned
(who actually _are_ intelligent), that it still boggles my mind how
fantastically incomprehensive people like you are.

You're immune to facts.
o I used to _try_ to supply people like you with copious but simple facts;
o And then I would be shocked that you didn't comprehend simple facts.

But my epiphany is that you are the epitome of the left-side DK effect.
o You can't comprehend facts but you actually think you can.
o Hence, there is no human way to get through to you.

It's just impossible.

As just one example, _look_ at these posts yesterday from Alan Baker:
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/oulJsYSmDDM/16o7X-g7CAAJ>
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/oulJsYSmDDM/OZbhPbg8CAAJ>

Can you believe what Alan Baker wrote?
o He's the epitome of the left-side Dunning-Kruger cognitive bias effect!
o *He doesn't comprehend that he can't comprehend!*

Do you see that is my epiphany?
o The key is that _no amount of fact_ will ever help the likes of you comprehend.

People like you, Diesel, and people like you abound, are incapable of
comprehending even the _simplest_ of the simplest of the simplest of facts.

That means I've been wasting my time providing facst you.
o It's like me trying to tell you not only that the lemon-juice trick doens't work, 
o But I've been going to the trouble to explain the chemistry of why.

I was doomed to fail, Diesel.
Doomed.

*All of you, in essence, believe that the lemon-juice trick _still_ works!*

> Due to that, and only that, I opted not to 
> provide you any specific details concerning sharing your Android 
> device internal/external memory over your network via a drive letter 
> mount. 

Hehhehheh ... Hi Diesel,

First off, I will be blunt ... you _never_ knew _anything_ whatsoever.

I need to say that clearly - not for you - as you won't believe it.
But for the others to comprehend that you know absolutely nothing.

Having said that, you proved time and again that you couldn't even tell us
the single *critical* step I had missed in outlining the tutorial for how
to access the _entire_ device system contents. But don't feel badly.
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.comp.freeware/K0NZ0nb1pWw/c7QERMymCQAJ>

Every single one of the people on the affected newsgroup didn't know.
Not Paul. Not Mike Easter. Not you. Not Nospam. Not Rene. Not Char.
o Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed)
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.comp.freeware/K0NZ0nb1pWw/OBpoi3i8CAAJ>

Nobody knew.
And that's OK.

HINT: To this very day, 99.9% of you _still_ don't know how to do it.
(Even though I explained it all in gory detail - including the key trick.)

NOTE: The problem is almost never Android or Windows or Linux; it's iOS:
o How to easily archive your iOS device and/or how to use your iOS device as a free USB stick (read & write)?
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/5hE4byjF930/NLdxBd8NCwAJ>

But _you_, Diesel, you said it was trivial and that it was something you
knew for a long time - which is ok - that's fine - but you only _beleived_
you knew ... when you proved - beyond a shadow of a doubt that you didn't.

Don't feel too badly.
Nobody knew.

That's why it's a big deal that I found it out (on the net).
(I didn't come up with it either - I just put the pieces together.)

I didn't know either - until I found it out about a year or two ago.

The funny thing is that you "claimed" to know - but you didn't, and yet, 
I had _posted_ it *years* ago - which is how I had to find it to remember
it because I had _forgotten_ that critical step, which isn't needed if you
move files to VLC but it is needed to write to iOS protected storage.

> I've also noticed, you have so far, failed to be able do that 
> on your own. 

Hi Diesel,
Hehhehheh... I _love_ when you prove my point!

You don't even _realize_ that I _always_ could "mount" any Android file
system onto Windows as a "drive letter" (using a variety of WiFi and USB
methods).

Always.

I was mainly asking to _communicate_ that skill to others here.
And to seek _improvements_ to the process.

Often, people like Paul or Mike Easter will suggest valuable improvements.
In this case, I don't think they did - so I learned nothing - but you
_should_ have learned how to do what I've been doing for years.

In fact, I'm on record, as I recall, stating that _only_ Frank Slootweg (of
all people, actually), _understood_ even the _problem set_ for Christs'
sake.

How long was that thread, Diesel?
Maybe 100 posts? 200? I don't recall (there were a few threads).

And yet, out of, oh, say 25 distinct posters, only TWO (Frank & I)
understood the problem set (where Mike Easter & Paul understood the
Windows/Linux side also).

Do you see I'm swimming in a sea of fools, Diesel?
You, and the other fools _think_ you comprehend.

And yet, to this day, _only_ Frank Slootweg comprehended the problem set.

BTW, as an aside, I'm only explaining the truth - which is that few people
_cared_ to comprehend the problem set - or - they didn't have to deal with
both Android & iOS along with Windows & Linux (which is fine).

But my point is that Frank & I advanced our overall tribal knowledge.

The reason we can advance our combined tribal knowledge is that we
comprehend that we don't know everything.

You don't comprehend that yet, Diesel.
Neither do the likes of you in the peanut gallery.

> Evidently, you aren't anywhere near as smart as you 
> thought you were.

First off, many times I have been known to be on record for saying that I'm
only of average intelligence, if that. (I studied at the graduate level for
almost a decade and worked in the Silicon Valley for decades with truly
intelligent people - who are whom I compare myself with when I say they are
far more intelligent than I am - of that I have no doubt).

But you don't comprehend what I just said, Diesel.
You just don't.

What you think is me claiming I'm smart is me exasperatingly explaining
that you (and those like you) are frustrating to me, because (I thought),
your lack of ability to comprehend even the simplest of fact was due to
o Either you incessantly pull our leg (for your own Usenet amusement?), 
o Or, that you really are that unfathomably incredibly stupid.

It turns out that the actual reason is worse ... far worse (sadly).
o I've been approaching working with you the wrong way all along

No amount of facts about lemon-juice chemistry will sway you.
o You literally believe that the "lemon-juice" trick _still_ works!

*The epiphany is that you (pl) are the epitome of the left-side DK effect!*

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arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> news:q1rk2t$agb$1@news.mixmin.net
Fri, 18 Jan 2019 04:18:38 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:14:44 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:
> 
>> I can't speak for others, but, I'm far from stupid, Arlen. 
> 
> Hi Diesel (et al.),

Hello Arlen...
 
 
> I'm only going to respond to you, Diesel, and not to the drivel
> who may follow in your wake (e.g., Cybe R. Wizard, Dan Purgert,
> Jolly Roger, Tim Streater, Alan Browne, Alan Baker, nospam,
> haemactylus, Char Jackson, Rene Lamontagne, et al.), simply
> because the response to any one of you is the same as the response
> to all. 

I know some of the individuals you mentioned from prior 
conversations. At no time have I found any of the aforementioned 
people to be stupid, though. I don't even consider David Brooks or 
the Anoncoward stupid. misguided, certainly, but, stupid, heh, no. 
 
> Having said that, your claim that you're "not stupid" is
> instructive because all of you prove the point I was trying to
> make, which is: o *I used to think people like you on Usenet were
> either incredibly stupid,* o *Or, that you were simply pulling our
> legs by denying basic obvious fact* ...
> o *But now, I realize it's actually worse than that - far worse -
> in fact.* o You're incapable of _comprehending_ that you're
> incapable of comprehending. 

You aren't even making logical sense, Arlen...
 
> This is not meant as an insult; it's meant to underscore why I
> will no longer attempt to deal with the likes of you using cold
> hard facts. 

When you're actually able to present some cold hard facts, I'd be 
interested in reading them.
 
> You're not capable of _comprehending_ even the _simplest_ of
> facts. o Simply because you actually _think_ you do comprehend
> them! 
> 
> Do you understand the conundrum Diesel?

Arlen, you're writing gibberish. I don't process gibberish.
 
> Given that, my approach to responding to the likes of you was
> tactical: o If you were simply ignorant - I supplied facts to back
> up everything; o When you pulled our leg - I make it "less fun"
> for you. 

I'm not ignorant of any of the subjects you've asked about so far, 
Arlen. I have viable and working solutions to each problem you've 
presented thus far. I've intentionally withheld such information from 
you, for a very simple reason. That I've previously stated.

> I was hoping for one of two effects depending on the reason you
> were immune to basic facts...

I'm not immune to facts, basic or otherwise Arlen. I prefer dealing 
in facts, myself.

> My tactics are well known and quite obvious:

Yes, you're a rudimentary skill level troll. You actually think that 
grade school level insults, ad nausem, will convince one or more of 
us to hold your hand so that you can complete one of any number of 
projects you've opted to do. Life doesn't work that way, but, for 
some silly reason, you think it will online.

> In the case of confronting your bullying tactics, Diesel,

My refusal to just give you the answers along with an idiot proof set 
of instructions to map a drive letter to your Androids accessable 
internal/external memory doesn't make me a bully. It makes me an 
individual who believes I should teach you to fish so that you can 
feed yourself, not do the fishing for you. There's a difference, and, 
you don't comprehend that.

> As you do now ... where you never add even a single iota of 
> on-topic value to the thread conversation.

You asked about a way to move pictures from internal memory to 
external memory if the built in camera app wouldn't let you change 
the location. I provided what you incorrectly labeled as a 'file 
redirector'. It doesn't redirect a damn thing. It waits for the file 
to be saved where you selected and then it moves it where you wanted 
it. I provided you several options to choose from, and I took the 
time to test them on my own equipment. Works as advertised. 

After you incorrectly labeled them as file redirectors, I heard 
nothing else from you on the subject. You can't even use the proper 
terminology to describe what it is you do/don't want, Arlen.

> o For example, remember this "Snit" video?

I'm not Snit.

> In fact, in reference to what you're alluding to, I accidentally
> left out a key step which I repeatedly _challenged_ you on when
> you said you could perform the task - where absolutely _none_ of
> you drivel knew what I was talking about.

The key step was the 3rd party driver which isn't universal that was 
necessary. And, it didn't provide you full access to the device, 
either. It provided you what amounts to userland access and only 
that. I mentioned that sometime ago in a follow up post to your 
previous challenge. Either you didn't read it, or, you did and are 
lying about that now with your accusation that I didn't know what you 
were writing about. I went a step further and told you flat out that 
not all linux distros supported it out of the box, because they 
didn't include the software, too. 

The linux distro you've opted to use isn't the only one in existance 
and isn't the most popular, either. Just because you can do something  
you think is out of the box on your distro doesn't mean everyone else 
can with theirs. And, I told you that then, too.
 
> Very few people can answer my questions.. Very very few.
> Paul. David Empson. Mike Easter, Marek (bless his soul) ... 
> (the list of purposefully helpful intelligent people is rather
> short). 

Oh please, you don't think those people know you're trying to kiss 
their ass cheeks? You'd love it if they'd just give you complete step 
by step instructions for each problem you present. 

I mean no offense to anyone from your list, but, I don't even think 
they'd all agree with you concerning superior I.T knowledge over my 
own. I have a proven track record, that you still seem to know 
nothing about, despite supposedly being on usenet for decades. Just 
too funny.

> Certainly the likes of you, Diesel, will _never_ be able to.
> o People like you never _intend_ to add to the tribal knowledge
> o People like you _can't_ add to the tribal knowledge.

Tsk Tsk...Once again, you make those statements only because you have 
no idea who I am. You've made the grave mistake of dismissing me as 
some usenet troll who's out to fuck with you. I'm neither.
 
>> You were incapable of being a responsible adult and 
>> issuing an apology. 
> 
> Hehhehheh... An apology Diesel?

Yes. For smarting off. Where I come from, smarting off to people you 
don't know doesn't make those people do you any favors until you make 
things right with them. I realize you're in cali, so perhaps your 
line of thinking is a little different there. An absurd issue of 
entitlement perhaps? Too many trophies given to you just for 
participating, perhaps.
 
> I have absolutely no problem apologizing when I make factual
> mistakes. None.

Yes, you clearly do. You wrote some childish insults towards me in 
another thread, where you were asking how to mount an Androids 
internal/external memory as a drive letter so you can do more with 
the files present. I responded that I had several ways in which you 
could accomplish this, just like you wanted, but, I'd need an apology 
for your shitty comments before I'd fork over the information.

I made a very simple, easy, request of you. It wasn't something you 
were capable of doing, so, being true to my word, I didn't provide 
you specific information on how to do what you wanted to do.

And, as far as I'm aware, you've yet to find someone else to help you 
do it, because you sure as hell haven't gotten it figured out on your 
own. I haven't seen any posts from you crowing about it, or listing 
mind numbing boring toddler step by step details on any of the 
methods for doing it. That tells me, months later, you still don't 
know how.
 
> I've been studying people like you for decades because, as you
> know, I worked for decades in the Silicon Valley, with truly
> intelligent people, after having gone to the best schools in this
> country, with trully intelligent people, after having grown up in
> some of the most expensive locations in the country, again,
> populated by truly intelligent people. 

BAWAHAHAHAHA. Thanks Arlen, that bullshit was highly entertaining. I 
think I hit the nail on the head with my cali comment above. Tell me 
something, have you ever lived outside the state of cali? It's a big 
world and cali is only a small part of it. Personally, if cali broke 
off and sank into the ocean tomorrow, I'd be okay with that. I can't 
think of much good that comes from cali...I can think of alot of 
bullshit though. Don't even get me started on the scary guns laws you 
cali people like to pass...way too much pussification in that state.
 
> Compared to them, I'm of average intelligence, if even that.
> I've never said otherwise.

I think you give yourself a bit too much credit there, Arlen. 
Javascript isn't hard, mapping drive letters to various types of 
devices isn't that difficult either. It's childsplay. 

If you want me to take you as a serious programmer, show me something 
real; some nice asm, c++, something along those lines. I'd even 
accept a nice asic source to something that is cool. A fractal 
generator, a .wav player, something along those lines; because you 
can't call an API and ask windows to do it for you in that language. 
[g] Not some lame ass, idiot friendly scripting language intended to 
be used by those who have no real coding skills and have no interest 
in learning the software and hardware relationship.

> But people like you, Diesel, are so far below those people I just
> mentioned (who actually _are_ intelligent), that it still boggles
> my mind how fantastically incomprehensive people like you are.

h0h0h0. That's your problem, Arlen. You write shit all the time, and 
it's pure shit. I've done alot of work for silicon valley people from 
the comfort of my home, way the hell away from cali. They recruit me 
for these jobs, Arlen. I don't apply to them.

I may not have the most pleasant attitude on usenet towards some 
individuals, but, those companies aren't paying me for my attitude or 
lack of one. They pay me for the technical expertise I have. 
Technical expertise I earned by being in the trenches of the I.T 
world since I was still single digit age. many many years before it 
was 'cool' to know anything about computers. Many years before 
Windows, too.
 
> You're immune to facts.

My entire world deals with facts, for the most part. Electrical 
theory aside (it's mostly fact, with a few exceptions to the rule).

> People like you, Diesel, and people like you abound, are incapable
> of comprehending even the _simplest_ of the simplest of the
> simplest of facts. 

You're writing shit, again. Pure shit.
 
>> Due to that, and only that, I opted not to 
>> provide you any specific details concerning sharing your Android 
>> device internal/external memory over your network via a drive
>> letter mount. 
> 
> Hehhehheh ... Hi Diesel,
> 
> First off, I will be blunt ... you _never_ knew _anything_
> whatsoever. 

That's funny, because right now, I'm copying a document from my 
external android memory to one of my linux machines across the 
network. The linux machine actually sees it as a network drive share. 
[g] And, the Windows XP (XP no less Arlen) machine sees the Android 
device as two drive letters; one for internal one for external. And, 
the XP machine isn't playing host to the device, another linux box 
is. I could have set the Windows box up as the host though, very 
little configuration difference between the two.

How are you coming along with it, since you asked how to do it months 
ago? Got even one version of it working, yet?

Btw, yes, all of the computers on this network have full read/write 
access to the Android mapped shares. It would be pointless for them 
not to.
 
> I need to say that clearly - not for you - as you won't believe
> it. But for the others to comprehend that you know absolutely
> nothing. 

That's another problem you have, Arlen. Various people you've 
mentioned, including the likes of Mike Easter do infact know me, and 
they also know I'm not full of shit. Mike knows alot about me, 
actually. Even including some.. not so nice things I'm responsible 
for. I think you'll be very hard pressed to find him agreeing with 
you concerning my so called stupidity concerning I.T. Why don't you 
ask him? :)
 
> Having said that, you proved time and again that you couldn't even
> tell us the single *critical* step I had missed in outlining the
> tutorial for how to access the _entire_ device system contents.

You didn't access the entire device contents at any time. You were 
only able to access userland. No magical driver is going to be able 
to override that for you. It's not upto the driver, it's upto the 
device. Short of rooting an Android device, you are not going to have 
full access to it. And you damn sure aren't given free reign on Apple 
products either. Not by a long shot. And incidently, rooting an 
Android device doesn't give you god like powers over it entirely 
either. You still don't have full, unrestricted access to do whatever 
the hell you want. Some of the firmware contents still remains 
outside your reach.

> Every single one of the people on the affected newsgroup didn't
> know. Not Paul. Not Mike Easter. Not you. Not Nospam. Not Rene.
> Not Char. o Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files
> back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native
> devices (no proprietary software needed) 
>  <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.comp.freeware/K0NZ0nb1pWw/OBp
>  oi3i8CAAJ> 

Actually, my first comment on that was why you thought you discovered 
something new. I also asked why you called it 'sliding'; when 
copy/paste or cut/paste is already well established and requires no 
additional explanation. I also went onto describe situations where 
your solution doesn't work as advertised on ALL windows and linux 
platforms, as you originally claimed. 

When you learned that XP won't mount newer Android devices on it's 
own without help, and various distros of Linux (Mint 17.3 for 
example) won't either, you attempted to move the goalposts and rule 
XP out (even though it IS a version of Windows and you previously 
claimed your method worked on ALL flavors as you wrote it) and you 
then opted to specify the particular distro of linux that you use, 
only because you learned from me (haha, I was the first to mention 
either of those two things) that various other linux distros may/may 
not support what you want to do depending on android device and 
version, without additional software that isn't included with the 
distro. 

I went a step further though, I even used one of my own android 
devices that runs an older copy of Android; you dismissed it as a 
result with another goalpost move. At the end of the day though, it 
became quite clear that your so called universal method of exchanging 
files via usb for windows, linux, Android isn't as universal as you 
once assumed; because you haven't got the hands on real world 
experience with various systems, including various Android devices 
that don't always play nicely with each other, even if you think they 
should.

> HINT: To this very day, 99.9% of you _still_ don't know how to do
> it. (Even though I explained it all in gory detail - including the
> key trick.) 

You didn't explain anything of the sort. Several of us commented 
about additional software your distro of linux has, that various 
other distros do not always come with.
 
> But _you_, Diesel, you said it was trivial and that it was
> something you knew for a long time - which is ok - that's fine -
> but you only _beleived_ you knew ... when you proved - beyond a
> shadow of a doubt that you didn't. 

I did say it was trivial (as did several others) and I have known how 
to do it for a very long time. So long infact, I forgot it was worth 
mentioning in a long post on usenet. I figured everybody knew how to 
use usb to copy/move files between various devices they owned...
 
> I didn't know either - until I found it out about a year or two
> ago. 

ROFL. I've been moving data back and forth between Windows, Linux, 
Android, and the god awful (I'm not an apple fan) macOS for years 
Arlen. It's not new to me, and not something I recently learned how 
to do. 
 
> The funny thing is that you "claimed" to know - but you didn't,

Indeed, I did. I also offered to provide you full details using 
several different methods on mapping a drive letter to your Android 
device. I requested one thing from you in return. An apology for some 
assinine comments you previously wrote. You weren't emotionally 
mature enough to issue an apology, so, I elected not to provide you 
with help on that project. A project you've still managed to fail to 
accomplish, I'll remind you.

> You don't even _realize_ that I _always_ could "mount" any Android
> file system onto Windows as a "drive letter" (using a variety of
> WiFi and USB methods).

Your previous posts don't support that conclusion. Infact, they show 
that you weren't able to do this and tried various means in order to 
accomplish it. The only thing you actually did (that I found funny as 
all hell) was teach pooh that net supported webdav and has for 
decades now. [g]

I don't know if you did that because pooh suggested utilities that 
wouldn't on a cold snowy day in hell give you a mounted drive letter, 
but you sure gave them a shot. :)

You have not been succesful mounting a drive letter to your android 
device for read/write access. Let's not split hairs, that's what you 
wanted to do, that's what you spent a considerable amount of time 
trying to do, that's what you've continued to FAIL AT DOING.

Where as I, and several others (Carlos being another) have succeeded 
in doing this, and are able to take advantage of the fruits of our 
labor. We have drive letter mounts to our Android device. You do not.
 
> Often, people like Paul or Mike Easter will suggest valuable
> improvements. In this case, I don't think they did - so I learned
> nothing - but you _should_ have learned how to do what I've been
> doing for years. 

I've been a certified (really) technician for nearly twenty (that's 
just one cert, I've got several actually) years now. What you've 
asked of the groups several times now is all childs play to me and 
many of my peers. It's old news to us, been done and done to death. 
We don't think anything of it. 
 
> And yet, out of, oh, say 25 distinct posters, only TWO (Frank & I)
> understood the problem set (where Mike Easter & Paul understood
> the Windows/Linux side also).

I realize you have a problem with giving credit where it's due if you 
have a personal issue with someone, but, it was ME, not them who 
first clued you in about Windows and linux not being as universal to 
your so called, method as you originally thought.
 
> Do you see I'm swimming in a sea of fools, Diesel?

You're swimming alone, actually. 

> BTW, as an aside, I'm only explaining the truth - which is that
> few people _cared_ to comprehend the problem set - or - they
> didn't have to deal with both Android & iOS along with Windows &
> Linux (which is fine). 

I have to deal with various operating systems on a daily basis, along 
with a slew of internet of thing devices that people just can't seem 
to not waste their damn money on. I have to make sure all those 
stupid things people buy will talk to devices that are already in 
service on various networks I'm responsible for.

You just screw off as a hobbyist, you aren't responsible for 
supporting much more than your own personal gear and perhaps that of 
a few neighbors who come to you for assistance. My workload on a good 
day isn't anywhere near as small.
 
> But my point is that Frank & I advanced our overall tribal
> knowledge. 

Frank gained nothing of value from the conversation. I was there too, 
Arlen. You and you alone gained information from the rest of us, but, 
did not credit all those who provided it.
 

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Diesel wrote:
> arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> news:q1rk2t$agb$1@news.mixmin.net
>> I'm only going to respond to you, Diesel, and not to the drivel
>> who may follow in your wake (e.g., Cybe R. Wizard, Dan Purgert,
>> Jolly Roger, Tim Streater, Alan Browne, Alan Baker, nospam,
>> haemactylus, Char Jackson, Rene Lamontagne, et al.), simply
>> because the response to any one of you is the same as the response
>> to all. 
>
> I know some of the individuals you mentioned from prior 
> conversations. At no time have I found any of the aforementioned 
> people to be stupid, though. I don't even consider David Brooks or 
> the Anoncoward stupid. misguided, certainly, but, stupid, heh, no. 

I'm definitely stupid, the proof is in responding to arlen.

Or is that insane?  

> [...]
> Either you didn't read it, or, you did and are 
> lying about that now with your accusation that I didn't know what you 
> were writing about. 

It probably goes back to arlen holder not using the right words.  Cue a
new post about "increasing the tribal knowledge", wherein he describes,
oh I don't know, let's say  "Internet Time Synchronization" ("ITS").

>> Very few people can answer my questions.. Very very few.
>> Paul. David Empson. Mike Easter, Marek (bless his soul) ... 
>> (the list of purposefully helpful intelligent people is rather
>> short). 
>
> Oh please, you don't think those people know you're trying to kiss 
> their ass cheeks? You'd love it if they'd just give you complete step 
> by step instructions for each problem you present. 

Don't they do just that?  I mean, I know Marek was quite thourough when
he was explaining something, and Mike is as well.

>  
>> I've been studying people like you for decades because, as you
>> know, I worked for decades in the Silicon Valley [...]

Oh, California.  This explains so very much.A

Prop 65 warning - Usenet is known to the state of California to cause
cancer.

> [...]
> If you want me to take you as a serious programmer, show me something 
> real; some nice asm, c++, something along those lines. I'd even 
> accept a nice asic source to something that is cool. A fractal 
> generator, a .wav player, something along those lines; because you 
> can't call an API and ask windows to do it for you in that language. 
> [g] Not some lame ass, idiot friendly scripting language intended to 
> be used by those who have no real coding skills and have no interest 
> in learning the software and hardware relationship.

Just in case, I'd add "arduino doesn't count", personally. It has a
pretty hefty amount of "help".

>
> That's another problem you have, Arlen. Various people you've 
> mentioned, including the likes of Mike Easter do infact know me, and 
> they also know I'm not full of shit. Mike knows alot about me, 
> actually. Even including some.. not so nice things I'm responsible 
> for. 

Great Lord Cthulhu, you're not involved with systemd are you?


>
> I went a step further though, I even used one of my own android 
> devices that runs an older copy of Android; you dismissed it as a 
> result with another goalpost move. At the end of the day though, it 
> became quite clear that your so called universal method of exchanging 

s/exchanging/sliding/

 HTH. HAND. :)

> [...]
>> HINT: To this very day, 99.9% of you _still_ don't know how to do
>> it. (Even though I explained it all in gory detail - including the
>> key trick.) 
>
> You didn't explain anything of the sort. Several of us commented 
> about additional software your distro of linux has, that various 
> other distros do not always come with.

Some of us commented that "wait, physically plug it in!?" was also a
downside.  I'm Lazy (capital 'l' on purpose), and don't wanna be walking
upstairs to the laptop to plug in my phone to transfer media (or
whatever) to the laptop's harddrive nextcloud folder to then let the
laptop sync with said service.

>  
>> I didn't know either - until I found it out about a year or two
>> ago. 
>
> ROFL. I've been moving data back and forth between Windows, Linux, 
> Android, and the god awful (I'm not an apple fan) macOS for years 
> Arlen. It's not new to me, and not something I recently learned how 
> to do. 

I think I was maybe six when I learned one could click and drag a
document from "go away this is my stuff" to "A:/".

Maybe about ten when I learned "ctrl+A -> right click -> select 'print'"
would print all the things without opening them. (Major apologies in
advance for triggering a new "tutorial".)

>  [...]
>> Do you see I'm swimming in a sea of fools, Diesel?
>
> You're swimming alone, actually. 

With sharks (do do do do ... OHGOD MAKE IT STOP!)

> [...]
> and perhaps that of a few neighbors who come to you for assistance. 

Perish the thought.


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