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Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns

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First post2018-12-28 22:18 +0000
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  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-28 22:18 +0000
    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 15:50 -0700
      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty" <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2018-12-28 18:27 -0500
        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 16:35 -0700
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 16:37 -0700
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 16:45 -0700
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 16:53 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 17:06 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 00:52 +0000
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-28 16:14 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 17:21 -0700
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-28 16:36 -0800
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 17:49 -0700
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 09:41 -0800
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 10:49 -0700
                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 10:57 -0700
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 12:29 -0700
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 11:29 -0800
                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:46 -0800
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 18:19 +0000
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-12-28 20:08 -0500
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 20:42 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-28 20:59 -0700
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-12-28 23:35 -0500
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 17:33 +0000
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 10:54 -0700
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:49 -0800
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-29 12:40 -0700
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 11:42 -0800
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 12:48 -0700
                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 11:58 -0800
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-29 14:44 -0700
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 14:55 -0700
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-29 15:28 -0700
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 15:51 -0700
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-29 15:57 -0700
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 16:01 -0700
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-29 16:08 -0700
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 23:17 +0000
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-29 16:33 -0700
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 16:42 -0700
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-29 17:51 -0800
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 12:15 -0800
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 14:08 -0800
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 12:13 -0800
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-12-29 23:24 +0000
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 17:42 -0700
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-29 19:30 -0700
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 19:40 -0700
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 12:25 -0800
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 12:20 -0800
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 14:08 -0800
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 12:14 -0800
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 14:08 -0800
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-03 01:35 -0500
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 16:45 +0000
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:09 -0800
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 12:11 -0800
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty" <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2018-12-29 18:20 -0500
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 17:30 -0700
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 17:34 -0700
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 17:43 -0700
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 17:51 -0700
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 18:15 -0700
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 18:20 -0700
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 18:58 -0700
                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:09 -0700
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 19:10 -0700
                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:15 -0700
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 19:25 -0700
                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:28 -0700
                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 19:40 -0700
                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:48 -0700
                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 20:01 -0700
                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 20:05 -0700
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-29 17:47 -0800
                                      Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2018-12-29 18:28 -0500
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 17:33 -0700
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2018-12-29 19:46 -0500
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 17:56 -0700
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2018-12-29 20:47 -0500
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 19:00 -0700
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2018-12-29 18:44 -0500
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 17:32 -0700
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2018-12-29 19:52 -0500
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 18:00 -0700
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2018-12-29 20:44 -0500
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 19:04 -0700
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-29 16:58 -0800
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2018-12-29 20:22 -0500
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 19:06 -0700
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-03 01:41 -0500
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 00:57 -0800
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 16:45 +0000
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:13 -0800
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 10:18 -0700
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 10:23 -0700
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 10:25 -0700
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 10:24 -0700
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:25 -0800
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 11:36 -0700
                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 18:51 +0000
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 11:02 -0800
                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 12:19 -0700
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-03 14:36 -0500
                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 12:45 -0700
                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 07:17 +0000
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 13:09 -0700
                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 13:40 -0700
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2019-01-04 07:31 -0800
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2019-01-03 09:07 -0800
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-04 00:12 -0500
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Delvin Benêt <DB@cnbc.nyc> - 2019-01-04 07:33 -0800
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-04 12:15 -0700
                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 16:52 -0700
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 16:45 +0000
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:10 -0800
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 10:12 -0700
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:22 -0800
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 10:26 -0700
                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:28 -0800
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 10:40 -0700
                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:41 -0800
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 11:39 -0700
                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 11:41 -0700
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 18:51 +0000
                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-03 14:27 -0500
                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 12:28 -0700
                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 11:42 -0800
                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 07:17 +0000
                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-04 07:42 -0800
                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 16:03 +0000
                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-04 09:09 -0700
                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 16:40 +0000
                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 15:07 -0700
                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-04 15:16 -0700
                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-04 08:13 -0800
                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 16:40 +0000
                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-04 08:43 -0800
                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-03 14:44 -0500
                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2019-01-03 14:00 -0800
                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-03 17:05 -0500
                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 07:17 +0000
                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 12:48 -0700
                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 12:55 -0700
                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 11:57 -0800
                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 13:02 -0700
                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 13:32 -0700
                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 12:39 -0800
                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 13:57 -0700
                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 15:16 -0700
                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 15:49 -0700
                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2019-01-03 13:47 -0800
                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-03 11:57 -0800
                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 13:12 -0700
                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 13:22 -0700
                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 13:42 -0700
                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 13:59 -0700
                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 15:50 -0700
                                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 16:04 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 16:21 -0700
                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 15:19 -0700
                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 15:49 -0700
                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 14:52 -0800
                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-04 05:49 -0500
                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 13:41 -0700
                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 12:45 -0800
                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 13:58 -0700
                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 15:51 -0700
                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-04 00:50 -0500
                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 15:20 -0700
                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 15:47 -0700
                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 14:51 -0800
                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 16:09 -0700
                                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 16:24 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 15:32 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 16:57 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 16:00 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 17:20 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-03 16:25 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 16:25 -0800
                                                                                      Snit Complains To TPG Troll Board About Being Trolled- Board Takes It Under Advisement Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-03 16:31 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Snit Complains To TPG Troll Board About Being Trolled- Board Takes It Under Advisement Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2019-01-04 00:44 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 18:11 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 17:13 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-03 17:30 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 18:15 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 18:30 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 20:47 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 20:51 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 21:09 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 21:18 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 20:45 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 21:49 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 20:50 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 21:52 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 20:54 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-04 01:49 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 16:48 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-04 21:52 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 06:07 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-05 02:01 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-05 03:21 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-07 22:18 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-07 23:07 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 06:19 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 02:00 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 13:58 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 12:27 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 19:41 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 12:48 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 12:56 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 13:34 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 13:47 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 13:52 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 14:25 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 14:36 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 22:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 15:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 15:45 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 15:58 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 16:01 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 16:02 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-09 00:05 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 17:19 -0700
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 17:40 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2019-01-08 15:42 -0600
                                                                                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 16:39 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-09 00:05 +0000
                                                                                                                          Snit Is So Dumb... [How Dumb Is He Johnny?"] Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-08 12:06 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: Snit Is So Dumb... [How Dumb Is He Johnny?"] Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 13:16 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Snit Is So Dumb... [How Dumb Is He Johnny?"] Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 13:18 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Snit Is So Dumb... [How Dumb Is He Johnny?"] Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-08 12:23 -0800
                                                                                                                              Re: Snit Is So Dumb... [How Dumb Is He Johnny?"] Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-08 12:22 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: 🔫🔫🔫⏰ POTENTIAL CLOCK TOWER SHOOTER ALERT! ⏰🔫🔫🔫 The psychotic racist white-supremacist who sounds a lot like neal warren AKA greg hall taking a break from the stormfront discussion boards to post on usenet as "Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net>" 🔫🔫🔫⏰ POTENTIAL CLOCK TOWER SHOOTER ALERT!  ⏰🔫🔫🔫❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄ Snit Is So Dumb... [How Dumb Is He Johnny?"] ❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄❄ Snowflake ❄  Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2019-01-08 14:23 -0600
                                                                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 13:32 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2019-01-08 14:35 -0600
                                                                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 14:00 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-08 04:17 -0800
                                                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 06:07 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 02:29 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 13:59 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-08 12:18 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 19:41 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2019-01-08 14:18 -0600
                                                                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-08 13:12 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-08 04:21 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 21:19 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 20:46 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 21:49 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 20:51 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-03 16:24 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 18:13 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 17:14 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 18:16 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 18:30 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-03 17:38 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-03 17:32 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 17:58 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 18:05 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 18:18 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 18:26 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 18:50 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-03 17:33 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 20:53 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 21:02 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 21:29 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 21:36 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 20:49 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 21:51 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 20:53 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 21:58 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 21:32 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2019-01-04 08:32 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-04 01:57 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 16:51 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-04 21:54 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 06:07 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-05 02:02 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 20:48 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 21:50 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 20:52 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-04 01:11 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 16:15 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-04 16:22 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 16:37 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-04 18:59 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 06:07 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-05 02:12 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-05 10:22 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 18:45 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-05 10:52 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 19:16 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-05 11:34 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 19:56 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-05 13:40 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-05 12:05 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 13:17 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-05 12:24 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 18:17 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 20:57 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 21:10 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 21:24 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 21:29 -0700
                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-04 00:48 -0500
                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 16:05 -0700
                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-04 21:44 -0500
                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 06:07 +0000
                                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-05 02:34 -0500
                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-04 00:44 -0500
                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 15:39 -0700
                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-04 00:20 -0500
                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 15:21 -0700
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 11:03 -0800
                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 12:48 -0700
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 12:21 -0700
                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 18:51 +0000
                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 11:01 -0800
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 12:19 -0700
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 13:13 -0700
                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 12:24 -0800
                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 13:41 -0700
                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 10:34 -0700
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:39 -0800
                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-04 00:19 -0500
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-04 07:35 -0800
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-04 00:14 -0500
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-04 07:33 -0800
                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 16:04 +0000
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-04 08:13 -0800
                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 16:40 +0000
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-04 08:42 -0800
                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 18:03 +0000
                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-04 12:02 -0800
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-04 11:59 -0800
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-04 08:17 -0800
                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 16:40 +0000
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-04 08:43 -0800
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-04 09:48 -0700
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2019-01-03 11:17 -0800
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-04 00:58 -0500
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 16:13 -0700
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-04 21:46 -0500
                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 06:07 +0000
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-05 02:37 -0500
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 07:17 +0000
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2018-12-29 19:59 -0500
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 18:16 -0700
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 23:47 -0500
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 12:08 -0800
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 14:08 -0800
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:01 -0800
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:31 -0800
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-03 01:34 -0500
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 16:45 +0000
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 08:59 -0800
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 17:05 +0000
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:15 -0800
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 10:25 -0700
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:26 -0800
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 10:30 -0700
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-03 23:35 -0500
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 12:03 -0800
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:50 +0000
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 14:08 -0800
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:01 -0800
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:31 -0800
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-30 18:54 -0700
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 19:07 -0700
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-30 19:40 -0700
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 20:08 -0700
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 22:43 -0800
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 12:00 -0800
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-30 13:32 -0700
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 12:41 -0800
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-30 14:00 -0700
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 13:21 -0800
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 14:08 -0800
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:01 -0800
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:31 -0800
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 14:08 -0800
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 14:08 -0800
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:01 -0800
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:31 -0800
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-12-29 19:33 +0000
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 11:41 -0800
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-29 14:47 -0700
                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 15:03 -0700
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-12-29 23:20 +0000
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 17:43 -0700
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 12:21 -0800
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 12:05 -0800
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 14:08 -0800
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:01 -0800
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:31 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:33 -0800
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-29 04:57 -0800
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-28 16:12 -0800
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-12-28 20:16 -0500
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 20:40 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-29 04:52 -0800
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-03 00:56 -0500
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:32 -0800
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-29 04:52 -0800
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-28 16:13 -0800
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 17:23 -0700
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-28 16:24 -0800
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-28 16:36 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 17:47 -0700
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-28 16:50 -0800
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-12-28 20:19 -0500
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 20:39 -0700
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:30 -0800
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-29 04:53 -0800
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 09:48 -0800
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-28 19:11 -0700
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 20:36 -0700
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-28 21:02 -0700
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-12-29 08:29 +0000
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-12-28 23:42 -0500
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-29 04:54 -0800
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:29 -0800
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:54 -0800
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-29 12:41 -0700
                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 11:43 -0800
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-29 14:45 -0700
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-12-29 07:50 +0000
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 12:44 +0000
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 09:39 -0800
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 10:52 -0700
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:48 -0800
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 18:19 +0000
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 14:20 -0700
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-12-29 23:43 +0000
                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 17:40 -0700
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 12:19 -0800
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 14:08 -0800
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:01 -0800
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:31 -0800
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 11:56 -0800
                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 14:08 -0800
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:01 -0800
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:31 -0800
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:56 -0800
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 12:01 -0700
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 11:02 -0800
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-12-29 20:04 +0000
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 12:13 -0800
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 12:01 -0700
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 11:02 -0800
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 01:21 +0000
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 19:12 -0700
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-29 04:55 -0800
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 13:06 +0000
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 15:56 +0000
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 16:09 +0000
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 10:38 -0700
                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-29 09:43 -0800
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-03 01:04 -0500
                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 18:19 +0000
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 14:17 -0700
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 11:54 -0800
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 14:08 -0800
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:01 -0800
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:31 -0800
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-03 01:06 -0500
                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:45 -0800
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 12:27 -0700
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 11:29 -0800
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-12-29 20:14 +0000
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 12:22 -0800
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-03 01:03 -0500
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-29 08:24 -0800
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-03 01:07 -0500
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-29 12:10 -0700
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 12:22 -0700
                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 11:27 -0800
                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-29 12:45 -0700
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 11:54 -0800
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-29 14:33 -0700
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 14:44 -0700
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-29 15:31 -0700
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 16:00 -0700
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 12:09 -0800
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 12:00 -0800
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 14:08 -0800
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:01 -0800
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:31 -0800
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 11:58 -0800
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-30 13:34 -0700
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 12:42 -0800
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-30 14:02 -0700
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 13:22 -0800
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-30 19:06 -0700
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 19:09 -0700
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-30 19:51 -0700
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 20:07 -0700
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-30 20:35 -0700
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 20:44 -0700
                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-31 00:14 -0700
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-03 01:10 -0500
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 16:45 +0000
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 09:48 -0700
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 17:02 +0000
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 10:09 -0700
                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 17:11 +0000
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 10:13 -0700
                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 10:24 -0700
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:25 -0800
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 10:29 -0700
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2019-01-03 15:44 -0500
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 13:56 -0700
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-03 20:56 -0500
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 08:58 -0800
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 17:02 +0000
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:14 -0800
                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 10:17 -0700
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 10:23 -0700
                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:24 -0800
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 10:28 -0700
                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:37 -0800
                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 10:41 -0700
                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:47 -0800
                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 11:00 -0700
                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 10:05 -0800
                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 10:17 -0800
                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 19:33 +0000
                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 18:42 +0000
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 10:34 -0700
                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:38 -0800
                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 10:26 -0700
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:26 -0800
                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 10:29 -0700
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:37 -0800
                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 10:41 -0700
                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:47 -0800
                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 10:57 -0700
                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:58 -0800
                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 11:01 -0700
                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 10:05 -0800
                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 11:12 -0700
                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 10:15 -0800
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 10:10 -0700
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:23 -0800
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-03 11:44 -0800
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 13:14 -0700
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 13:42 -0700
                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 13:51 -0700
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 15:26 -0700
                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 15:44 -0700
                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-03 15:24 -0700
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 15:45 -0700
                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-03 16:10 -0800
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 17:15 -0700
                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 16:24 -0800
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-03 21:19 -0500
                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 15:54 -0700
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-04 15:03 -0800
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-04 21:37 -0500
                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 06:07 +0000
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-05 02:39 -0500
                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-05 03:27 -0700
                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 16:04 -0700
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-04 15:08 -0800
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-04 21:43 -0500
                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 06:07 +0000
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-05 02:31 -0500
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-30 19:01 -0700
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 19:10 -0700
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-30 19:53 -0700
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 20:04 -0700
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-30 20:37 -0700
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 20:42 -0700
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 22:44 -0800
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 14:08 -0800
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:01 -0800
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:31 -0800
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Avenging Angel <Not.fucking.likely@NoWay.com> - 2018-12-31 11:29 +0000
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 11:15 -0800
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 11:17 -0800
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 14:18 -0700
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-03 01:02 -0500
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 09:56 -0800
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 01:21 +0000
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 19:11 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 20:13 -0600
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 20:35 -0700
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 12:13 -0600
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 12:31 -0700
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 11:31 -0800
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 15:46 -0600
                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 14:53 -0700
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 17:46 -0600
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 17:35 -0700
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 17:58 -0700
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 18:14 -0700
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 18:20 -0700
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 18:59 -0700
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:09 -0700
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 19:11 -0700
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:16 -0700
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 19:25 -0700
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:29 -0700
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 19:37 -0700
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:40 -0700
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 19:47 -0700
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:25 -0600
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 18:27 -0700
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:32 -0600
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 18:34 -0700
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:36 -0600
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 18:39 -0700
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:41 -0600
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 18:53 -0700
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:55 -0600
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 18:58 -0700
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:59 -0600
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:10 -0700
                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 20:13 -0600
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:18 -0700
                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 20:21 -0600
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:27 -0700
                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 19:33 -0700
                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:37 -0700
                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 20:37 -0600
                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:40 -0700
                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 20:42 -0600
                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:48 -0700
                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 21:07 -0600
                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 20:10 -0700
                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 21:13 -0600
                                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 20:15 -0700
                                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 21:19 -0600
                                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 20:22 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 21:25 -0600
                                                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 20:27 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 21:30 -0600
                                                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 20:34 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 21:38 -0600
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 19:07 -0700
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 20:14 -0600
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 19:26 -0700
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:32 -0700
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 19:39 -0700
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 19:42 -0700
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 20:39 -0600
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 19:48 -0700
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 21:06 -0600
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 20:47 -0700
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 21:51 -0600
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 21:05 -0700
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 22:15 -0600
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 21:27 -0700
                                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 22:56 -0600
                                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 22:06 -0700
                                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 23:14 -0600
                                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 22:19 -0700
                                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "DoD" <danskisanjar@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 00:17 -0600
                                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 07:53 +0000
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 12:16 -0800
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 14:08 -0800
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 12:02 -0800
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:27 -0800
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:54 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty" <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2018-12-28 21:52 -0500
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 20:24 -0700
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 16:56 +0000
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 17:33 +0000
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 10:36 -0700
                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 10:53 -0700
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 11:10 -0700
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 12:29 -0700
                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 18:08 +0000
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 18:05 +0000
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 12:44 +0000
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 09:55 -0800
      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-28 23:40 +0000
        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 16:59 -0700
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-28 16:13 -0800
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 01:21 +0000
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 19:11 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 12:44 +0000
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-29 05:03 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 09:53 -0800
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 12:26 -0700
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 11:28 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:10 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:56 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 12:02 -0700
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 11:04 -0800
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-12-28 20:49 -0500
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 20:38 -0700
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-29 05:02 -0800
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-12-28 20:13 -0500
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 20:41 -0700
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-29 05:01 -0800
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-28 16:14 -0800
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 17:21 -0700
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-28 16:35 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 17:39 -0700
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-28 16:41 -0800
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 17:46 -0700
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-28 16:51 -0800
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 09:38 -0800
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 10:40 -0700
                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 18:19 +0000
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 14:18 -0700
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 11:55 -0800
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 14:08 -0800
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:01 -0800
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:31 -0800
                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:45 -0800
                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-29 12:25 -0700
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 12:47 -0700
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 11:57 -0800
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 14:12 -0700
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-29 17:52 -0800
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 11:50 -0800
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 14:08 -0800
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:01 -0800
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:31 -0800
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-29 14:39 -0700
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 14:59 -0700
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 12:03 -0800
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:50 +0000
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 14:08 -0800
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:01 -0800
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:31 -0800
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 11:58 -0800
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-30 13:38 -0700
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 12:43 -0800
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-30 14:04 -0700
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 13:23 -0800
                                          Rudy is pedantic and wrong. was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-30 19:16 -0700
                                            Re: Rudy is pedantic and wrong. was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 20:17 -0700
                                              Re: Rudy is pedantic and wrong. was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-31 03:41 -0800
                                                Re: Rudy is pedantic and wrong. was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Avenging Angel <Not.fucking.likely@NoWay.com> - 2018-12-31 11:47 +0000
                                            Re: Rudy is pedantic and wrong. was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-31 03:40 -0800
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Avenging Angel <Not.fucking.likely@NoWay.com> - 2018-12-31 11:43 +0000
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                                          Snit agrees he should be banned. was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-30 19:19 -0700
                                            Re: Snit agrees he should be banned. was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 20:16 -0700
                                              Re: Snit agrees he should be banned. was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-31 03:43 -0800
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns -------------- Atheist --------------- <a@hotmail.com> - 2018-12-31 06:13 -0800
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 07:18 -0700
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-31 06:20 -0800
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-12-31 08:07 -0800
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-31 17:05 +0000
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-31 09:23 -0800
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-31 17:29 +0000
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-31 09:30 -0800
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-31 18:09 +0000
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-31 10:45 -0800
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-31 12:12 -0800
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-12-31 09:34 -0800
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-31 18:09 +0000
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-31 10:47 -0800
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-31 12:14 -0800
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-03 02:00 -0500
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 16:45 +0000
                                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:11 -0800
                                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Avenging Angel <Not.fucking.likely@NoWay.com> - 2018-12-31 20:17 +0000
                                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-31 13:29 -0700
                                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-31 12:30 -0800
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2018-12-31 12:35 -0500
                                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-03 01:58 -0500
                                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Avenging Angel <Not.fucking.likely@NoWay.com> - 2018-12-31 19:56 +0000
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 14:08 -0800
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:01 -0800
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:31 -0800
                                      WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-30 19:22 -0700
                                        Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 20:15 -0700
                                          Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-31 03:44 -0800
                                            Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-03 02:03 -0500
                                              Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 16:45 +0000
                                                Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 09:12 -0800
                                                Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-03 11:47 -0800
                                                  Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-03 12:56 -0700
                                                    Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-03 11:58 -0800
                                                      Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 12:03 -0800
                                                  Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 11:59 -0800
                                                  Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-04 01:01 -0500
                                                    Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-04 16:14 -0700
                                                      Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-04 22:03 -0500
                                                        Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Delvin Benêt <DB@cnbc.nyc> - 2019-01-04 20:30 -0800
                                                          Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 06:07 +0000
                                                            Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-05 03:29 -0700
                                                          Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2019-01-05 07:57 -0800
                                                            Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership John Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> - 2019-01-05 10:47 -0800
                                                              Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2019-01-05 12:33 -0800
                                                                Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 13:49 -0700
                                                                  Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-05 13:59 -0700
                                                                    Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 15:40 -0700
                                                                  Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-05 13:39 -0800
                                                                Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-05 14:14 -0800
                                                        Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-05 06:07 +0000
                                                          Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2019-01-05 03:43 -0500
                                                            Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-07 16:31 -0700
                                          Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Avenging Angel <Not.fucking.likely@NoWay.com> - 2018-12-31 12:00 +0000
                                            Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-31 15:01 +0000
                                        Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Avenging Angel <Not.fucking.likely@NoWay.com> - 2018-12-31 11:58 +0000
                                          Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-31 15:01 +0000
                                        Re: WMDs are not arms was Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-03 12:10 -0800
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Avenging Angel <Not.fucking.likely@NoWay.com> - 2018-12-31 11:30 +0000
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 18:08 +0000
                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 14:20 -0700
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-28 19:21 -0700
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 20:34 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:26 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:55 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 12:29 -0800
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:21 -0800
          Snit's OK With Bans- Especially if They Don't Come Out And Say It. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-28 16:20 -0800
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 00:52 +0000
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 18:00 -0700
      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-28 16:11 -0800
        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 01:21 +0000
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-29 05:04 -0800
      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-28 18:57 -0700
        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 19:04 -0700
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-28 19:58 -0700
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 20:19 -0700
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:23 -0800
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 09:52 -0800
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 10:55 -0700
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:50 -0800
      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-12-28 18:50 -0800
        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 20:24 -0700
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-12-28 23:37 -0800
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 07:47 +0000
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-12-29 08:28 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 10:59 -0700
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:58 -0800
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-12-29 23:41 -0800
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 16:15 +0000
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-12-30 13:01 -0800
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-12-30 14:57 -0800
                            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 16:05 -0700
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:08 -0800
                              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-12-30 17:01 -0800
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 18:55 -0700
                                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 19:02 -0700
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-12-30 21:41 -0800
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-31 06:23 +0000
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-12-30 23:22 -0800
                                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns -------------- Atheist --------------- <a@hotmail.com> - 2019-01-01 11:21 -0800
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2019-01-01 13:06 -0800
                                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-01 15:33 -0700
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2019-01-01 14:53 -0800
                                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns -------------- Atheist --------------- <a@hotmail.com> - 2019-01-01 17:41 -0800
                                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-01 21:25 -0500
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:34 -0800
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-29 05:05 -0800
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-12-30 00:18 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 16:15 +0000
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-12-30 11:41 -0800
                    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 21:49 +0000
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 13:51 -0800
                      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-30 22:02 +0000
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 14:08 -0800
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:01 -0800
                        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-30 15:32 -0800
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 12:49 -0700
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 11:58 -0800
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 17:02 +0000
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:55 -0800
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 12:03 -0700
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 11:05 -0800
      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 09:51 -0800
        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 10:55 -0700
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:51 -0800
    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-28 18:54 -0700
      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 19:07 -0700
        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-28 19:54 -0700
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 20:21 -0700
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 10:25 -0800
        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 12:44 +0000
      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-28 20:01 -0700
        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 16:25 +0000
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 09:33 -0700
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 16:56 +0000
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 10:06 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 17:13 +0000
                  Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 10:22 -0700
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 10:36 -0700
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-12-29 10:37 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 10:52 -0700
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 10:37 -0700
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-29 12:02 -0700
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 12:23 -0700
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 11:27 -0800
                Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 12:30 -0800
          Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-29 11:54 -0700
            Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-29 12:24 -0700
              Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-12-29 11:28 -0800
      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-12-29 00:45 -0500
      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 12:18 +0000
        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-12-29 08:32 -0800
      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-12-29 08:37 -0800
        Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns Ted <ted@sam.street> - 2018-12-29 17:02 +0000
    Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "%" <vaginalover1969@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 23:08 -0800
      Re: Fact: Gun Ownership Is All That Stands Between Being Safe and Imminent Slaughter By Other Americans Carrying Guns "%" <vaginalover1969@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 11:31 -0800

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#244893

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2019-01-03 18:42 +0000
Message-ID<g973coF2glbU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#244882
% <persent@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2019-01-03 10:47 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/3/2019 9:41 AM, % wrote:
>>> On 2019-01-03 10:37 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:28 AM, % wrote:
>>>>> On 2019-01-03 10:24 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:23 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/3/19 10:17 AM, % wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2019-01-03 10:14 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:02 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 8:45 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just Wondering" <JW@me.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:WQeWD.65693$4D2.35349@fx22.iad...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 2:22 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:02 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:42 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:58 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 1:33 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 11:45 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:22 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/18 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 8:56 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted <ted@sam.street> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. The 2nd Amendment was written to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ensure freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The context of what it was written for has changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freedom encompasses the individual rights to life 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People have a right to defend and protect those 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, because government is not always 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defend those rights for them.  How is that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than it was in 1787?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the second amendment, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> includes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context of the militia. Sorry if that was not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the Second Amendment, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricts the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government from restricting your individual right 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms, the context of which is you have a right 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to protect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and defend your life and liberty.  Sorry if that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was not clear to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear to the snotty little troll.  He's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretending not to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if the government is not always there, then 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surely I should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to have nukes and ricin and any other arms 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If not, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, because weapons of mass destruction cannot be used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without indiscriminately violating other law 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abiding people's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is clear that the right - the pre-existing right 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - secured by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the amendment is not an unlimited right to just 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever arms you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish. I know it just chaps your ass, and chaps the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asses of all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other right-wingnuts like Hartung and Scooter and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that cowardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuckstain Doddering, that learned scholars like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blackstone and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Story talk about the right covering arms "suitable 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition", and that more recent learned scholars 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like Justice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scalia fully embrace that idea. What pisses you off 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have some *unlimited* right to decide what is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suitable to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *your* condition, and that's just not how rights 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operate, and never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are left with these facts.  The right to keep and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not unlimited.  The limits are not defined in any 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressing the right - those limits are taken by the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authors of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment as given elsewhere.  The lack of mention 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the limits in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the text of the amendment *DOES NOT MEAN* that those 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limits do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist - they exist. They have to be teased out of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the writings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learned scholars like Blackstone and Story and Scalia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just said that I think the right does not extend to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destructions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't extend to quite a lot of arms that you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What arms are those?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have to enumerate a list of them.  *You* have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already given a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partial list.  There are others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall preparing even a partial list of arms that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think are covered by "the right of the people to keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms" that the right does not actually cover.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You provided a partial list of those that *aren't* covered.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No I didn't.  I identified a category of WEAPONS (weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destruction or WMDs), NOT a partial list of "arms", that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the right to keep and bear arms applies to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think WMDs even meet the definition of "arms"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in this context.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heck, if Rudy thinks the 2nd protects WMD....why fight him 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all, we can all see he's surrendered on the issue of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> firearms by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing the topic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Constitution speaks of arms, not firearms.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Firearms are arms, Snot.  Don't you know anything?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Glad you figured that out.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We're wondering when you might figure it out.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> no , " we're " not , at least i'm not and i'm part of , " we " ,
>>>>>>>> so don't say , " we " when you mean you
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> He is wondering when I will figure out what I noted
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We're all wondering when you're going to stop trolling.  It looks 
>>>>>> like "never", but that's just how things appear at present.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> no , " we " aren't
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, we are.
>>>> 
>>> too late i already said we're not so we aren't
>> 
>> No, it's not too late.  It's a fait accompli.
>> 
> now you car wrap yourself in my tough shit blanket
> 

Your typo was so problematic to Rudy he claimed to be unable to figure out
your meaning. 

I van see why he is so confused by other text. 

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#244865

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2019-01-03 10:34 -0700
Message-ID<g96vcmF1jb2U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#244849
On 1/3/19 10:24 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 1/3/2019 9:23 AM, Snit wrote:
>> On 1/3/19 10:17 AM, % wrote:
>>> On 2019-01-03 10:14 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:02 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>> Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 8:45 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Just Wondering" <JW@me.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:WQeWD.65693$4D2.35349@fx22.iad...
>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 2:22 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:02 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:42 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:58 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 1:33 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 11:45 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:22 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/18 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 8:56 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted <ted@sam.street> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. The 2nd Amendment was written to ensure 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The context of what it was written for has changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freedom encompasses the individual rights to life and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People have a right to defend and protect those rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, because government is not always there to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defend those rights for them.  How is that context 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than it was in 1787?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the second amendment, which includes 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context of the militia. Sorry if that was not clear to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the Second Amendment, which restricts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government from restricting your individual right to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms, the context of which is you have a right to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and defend your life and liberty.  Sorry if that was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not clear to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear to the snotty little troll.  He's pretending 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if the government is not always there, then surely 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to have nukes and ricin and any other arms I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If not, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, because weapons of mass destruction cannot be used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without indiscriminately violating other law abiding 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is clear that the right - the pre-existing right - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secured by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the amendment is not an unlimited right to just whatever 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arms you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish. I know it just chaps your ass, and chaps the asses 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other right-wingnuts like Hartung and Scooter and that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cowardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuckstain Doddering, that learned scholars like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blackstone and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Story talk about the right covering arms "suitable to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition", and that more recent learned scholars like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scalia fully embrace that idea. What pisses you off is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have some *unlimited* right to decide what is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suitable to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *your* condition, and that's just not how rights 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operate, and never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are left with these facts.  The right to keep and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not unlimited.  The limits are not defined in any amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressing the right - those limits are taken by the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authors of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment as given elsewhere.  The lack of mention of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the limits in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the text of the amendment *DOES NOT MEAN* that those 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limits do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist - they exist. They have to be teased out of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learned scholars like Blackstone and Story and Scalia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just said that I think the right does not extend to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destructions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't extend to quite a lot of arms that you think it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What arms are those?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have to enumerate a list of them.  *You* have 
>>>>>>>>>>>> already given a
>>>>>>>>>>>> partial list.  There are others.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall preparing even a partial list of arms that
>>>>>>>>>>> I think are covered by "the right of the people to keep and
>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms" that the right does not actually cover.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You provided a partial list of those that *aren't* covered.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No I didn't.  I identified a category of WEAPONS (weapons of
>>>>>>>>> mass destruction or WMDs), NOT a partial list of "arms", that
>>>>>>>>> I think the right to keep and bear arms applies to.
>>>>>>>>> I don't think WMDs even meet the definition of "arms"
>>>>>>>>> in this context.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Heck, if Rudy thinks the 2nd protects WMD....why fight him on it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After all, we can all see he's surrendered on the issue of 
>>>>>>>> firearms by
>>>>>>>> changing the topic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Constitution speaks of arms, not firearms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Firearms are arms, Snot.  Don't you know anything?
>>>>>
>>>>> Glad you figured that out.
>>>>
>>>> We're wondering when you might figure it out.
>>>>
>>> no , " we're " not , at least i'm not and i'm part of , " we " ,
>>> so don't say , " we " when you mean you
>>
>> He is wondering when I will figure out what I noted
> 
> We're all wondering when you're going to stop trolling.  It looks like 
> "never", but that's just how things appear at present.
> 

Meta-debate accusations show you wish to leave any reasonable topic 
behind. You are insecure about your views. Fair enough.

Meanwhile I am happy to talk about the Constitution... specifically the 
second amendment. It starts with setting the context, though many who 
push for rights and ignore responsibilities pretend otherwise.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#244871

FromRudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con>
Date2019-01-03 09:38 -0800
Message-ID<jMrXD.287697$vH3.277783@fx36.iad>
In reply to#244865
On 1/3/2019 9:34 AM, Snit wrote:
> On 1/3/19 10:24 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/3/2019 9:23 AM, Snit wrote:
>>> On 1/3/19 10:17 AM, % wrote:
>>>> On 2019-01-03 10:14 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:02 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 8:45 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Just Wondering" <JW@me.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:WQeWD.65693$4D2.35349@fx22.iad...
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 2:22 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:02 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:42 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:58 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 1:33 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 11:45 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:22 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/18 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 8:56 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted <ted@sam.street> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. The 2nd Amendment was written to ensure freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The context of what it was written for has changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freedom encompasses the individual rights to life and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People have a right to defend and protect those rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, because government is not always there to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defend those rights for them.  How is that context 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than it was in 1787?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the second amendment, which includes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context of the militia. Sorry if that was not clear to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the Second Amendment, which restricts the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government from restricting your individual right to keep 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms, the context of which is you have a right to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and defend your life and liberty.  Sorry if that was not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear to the snotty little troll.  He's pretending 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if the government is not always there, then surely I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to have nukes and ricin and any other arms I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If not, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, because weapons of mass destruction cannot be used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without indiscriminately violating other law abiding 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is clear that the right - the pre-existing right - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secured by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the amendment is not an unlimited right to just whatever 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arms you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish. I know it just chaps your ass, and chaps the asses 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other right-wingnuts like Hartung and Scooter and that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cowardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuckstain Doddering, that learned scholars like Blackstone 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Story talk about the right covering arms "suitable to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition", and that more recent learned scholars like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scalia fully embrace that idea. What pisses you off is you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have some *unlimited* right to decide what is suitable to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *your* condition, and that's just not how rights operate, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are left with these facts.  The right to keep and bear 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arms is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not unlimited.  The limits are not defined in any amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressing the right - those limits are taken by the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authors of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment as given elsewhere.  The lack of mention of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limits in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the text of the amendment *DOES NOT MEAN* that those 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limits do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist - they exist. They have to be teased out of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learned scholars like Blackstone and Story and Scalia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just said that I think the right does not extend to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destructions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't extend to quite a lot of arms that you think it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What arms are those?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have to enumerate a list of them.  *You* have already 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> given a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> partial list.  There are others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall preparing even a partial list of arms that
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think are covered by "the right of the people to keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms" that the right does not actually cover.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You provided a partial list of those that *aren't* covered.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No I didn't.  I identified a category of WEAPONS (weapons of
>>>>>>>>>> mass destruction or WMDs), NOT a partial list of "arms", that
>>>>>>>>>> I think the right to keep and bear arms applies to.
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think WMDs even meet the definition of "arms"
>>>>>>>>>> in this context.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Heck, if Rudy thinks the 2nd protects WMD....why fight him on it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After all, we can all see he's surrendered on the issue of 
>>>>>>>>> firearms by
>>>>>>>>> changing the topic.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Constitution speaks of arms, not firearms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Firearms are arms, Snot.  Don't you know anything?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glad you figured that out.
>>>>>
>>>>> We're wondering when you might figure it out.
>>>>>
>>>> no , " we're " not , at least i'm not and i'm part of , " we " ,
>>>> so don't say , " we " when you mean you
>>>
>>> He is wondering when I will figure out what I noted
>>
>> We're all wondering when you're going to stop trolling.  It looks like 
>> "never", but that's just how things appear at present.
>>
> 
> Meta-debate accusations 

Just stop trolling.

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#244856

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2019-01-03 10:26 -0700
Message-ID<g96utsF1ds5U6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#244834
On 1/3/19 10:14 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 1/3/2019 9:02 AM, Snit wrote:
>> Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>> On 1/3/2019 8:45 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Just Wondering" <JW@me.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:WQeWD.65693$4D2.35349@fx22.iad...
>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 2:22 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:02 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:42 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:58 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 1:33 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 11:45 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:22 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/18 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 8:56 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted <ted@sam.street> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. The 2nd Amendment was written to ensure freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The context of what it was written for has changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freedom encompasses the individual rights to life and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People have a right to defend and protect those rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, because government is not always there to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defend those rights for them.  How is that context 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than it was in 1787?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the second amendment, which includes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context of the militia. Sorry if that was not clear to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the Second Amendment, which restricts the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government from restricting your individual right to keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms, the context of which is you have a right to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and defend your life and liberty.  Sorry if that was not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear to the snotty little troll.  He's pretending not to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if the government is not always there, then surely I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to have nukes and ricin and any other arms I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If not, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, because weapons of mass destruction cannot be used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without indiscriminately violating other law abiding people's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is clear that the right - the pre-existing right - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> secured by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the amendment is not an unlimited right to just whatever 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> arms you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish. I know it just chaps your ass, and chaps the asses of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other right-wingnuts like Hartung and Scooter and that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cowardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuckstain Doddering, that learned scholars like Blackstone and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Story talk about the right covering arms "suitable to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition", and that more recent learned scholars like Justice
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scalia fully embrace that idea. What pisses you off is you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have some *unlimited* right to decide what is suitable to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *your* condition, and that's just not how rights operate, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and never
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are left with these facts.  The right to keep and bear 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> arms is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not unlimited.  The limits are not defined in any amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressing the right - those limits are taken by the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> authors of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment as given elsewhere.  The lack of mention of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> limits in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the text of the amendment *DOES NOT MEAN* that those limits 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist - they exist. They have to be teased out of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> writings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> learned scholars like Blackstone and Story and Scalia
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just said that I think the right does not extend to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destructions,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't extend to quite a lot of arms that you think it does.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What arms are those?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't have to enumerate a list of them.  *You* have already 
>>>>>>>>> given a
>>>>>>>>> partial list.  There are others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't recall preparing even a partial list of arms that
>>>>>>>> I think are covered by "the right of the people to keep and
>>>>>>>> bear arms" that the right does not actually cover.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You provided a partial list of those that *aren't* covered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No I didn't.  I identified a category of WEAPONS (weapons of
>>>>>> mass destruction or WMDs), NOT a partial list of "arms", that
>>>>>> I think the right to keep and bear arms applies to.
>>>>>> I don't think WMDs even meet the definition of "arms"
>>>>>> in this context.
>>>>>
>>>>> Heck, if Rudy thinks the 2nd protects WMD....why fight him on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> After all, we can all see he's surrendered on the issue of firearms by
>>>>> changing the topic.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Constitution speaks of arms, not firearms.
>>>
>>> Firearms are arms, Snot.  Don't you know anything?
>>
>> Glad you figured that out.
> 
> We're wondering when you might figure it out.
> 
How many people are you, and why do you all wonder when things that 
already exist will come into existence? Seems like a waste of time to me.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#244859

FromRudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con>
Date2019-01-03 09:26 -0800
Message-ID<ABrXD.408629$_35.276649@fx46.iad>
In reply to#244856
On 1/3/2019 9:26 AM, Snit wrote:
> On 1/3/19 10:14 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/3/2019 9:02 AM, Snit wrote:
>>> Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>> On 1/3/2019 8:45 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Just Wondering" <JW@me.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:WQeWD.65693$4D2.35349@fx22.iad...
>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 2:22 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:02 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:42 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:58 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 1:33 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 11:45 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:22 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/18 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 8:56 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted <ted@sam.street> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. The 2nd Amendment was written to ensure freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The context of what it was written for has changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freedom encompasses the individual rights to life and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People have a right to defend and protect those rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, because government is not always there to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defend those rights for them.  How is that context different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than it was in 1787?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the second amendment, which includes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context of the militia. Sorry if that was not clear to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the Second Amendment, which restricts the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government from restricting your individual right to keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms, the context of which is you have a right to protect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and defend your life and liberty.  Sorry if that was not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear to the snotty little troll.  He's pretending not to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if the government is not always there, then surely I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to have nukes and ricin and any other arms I want, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If not, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, because weapons of mass destruction cannot be used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without indiscriminately violating other law abiding people's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is clear that the right - the pre-existing right - secured by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the amendment is not an unlimited right to just whatever arms 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish. I know it just chaps your ass, and chaps the asses of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other right-wingnuts like Hartung and Scooter and that cowardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuckstain Doddering, that learned scholars like Blackstone and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Story talk about the right covering arms "suitable to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition", and that more recent learned scholars like Justice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scalia fully embrace that idea. What pisses you off is you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have some *unlimited* right to decide what is suitable to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *your* condition, and that's just not how rights operate, and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are left with these facts.  The right to keep and bear 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arms is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not unlimited.  The limits are not defined in any amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressing the right - those limits are taken by the authors 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment as given elsewhere.  The lack of mention of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limits in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the text of the amendment *DOES NOT MEAN* that those limits 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist - they exist. They have to be teased out of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learned scholars like Blackstone and Story and Scalia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just said that I think the right does not extend to weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destructions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't extend to quite a lot of arms that you think it does.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What arms are those?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't have to enumerate a list of them.  *You* have already 
>>>>>>>>>> given a
>>>>>>>>>> partial list.  There are others.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't recall preparing even a partial list of arms that
>>>>>>>>> I think are covered by "the right of the people to keep and
>>>>>>>>> bear arms" that the right does not actually cover.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You provided a partial list of those that *aren't* covered.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No I didn't.  I identified a category of WEAPONS (weapons of
>>>>>>> mass destruction or WMDs), NOT a partial list of "arms", that
>>>>>>> I think the right to keep and bear arms applies to.
>>>>>>> I don't think WMDs even meet the definition of "arms"
>>>>>>> in this context.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Heck, if Rudy thinks the 2nd protects WMD....why fight him on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After all, we can all see he's surrendered on the issue of firearms by
>>>>>> changing the topic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Constitution speaks of arms, not firearms.
>>>>
>>>> Firearms are arms, Snot.  Don't you know anything?
>>>
>>> Glad you figured that out.
>>
>> We're wondering when you might figure it out.
>>
> How many people are you

Several.

-- 
Snot's '.sig' is wrong, sophomoric and indicative of
his bloated ego.  Snot fancies himself the Great
Tribune of Usenet, who is going to tell all the
rest of us What It All Means.

Well...no.  Just no.

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#244863

From% <persent@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-03 10:29 -0700
Message-ID<bsi6bc.g3f.17.18@news.alt.net>
In reply to#244859
On 2019-01-03 10:26 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 1/3/2019 9:26 AM, Snit wrote:
>> On 1/3/19 10:14 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 1/3/2019 9:02 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>> Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>>> On 1/3/2019 8:45 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Just Wondering" <JW@me.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:WQeWD.65693$4D2.35349@fx22.iad...
>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 2:22 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:02 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:42 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:58 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 1:33 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 11:45 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:22 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/18 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 8:56 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted <ted@sam.street> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. The 2nd Amendment was written to ensure 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The context of what it was written for has changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freedom encompasses the individual rights to life and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People have a right to defend and protect those rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, because government is not always there to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defend those rights for them.  How is that context 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than it was in 1787?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the second amendment, which includes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context of the militia. Sorry if that was not clear to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the Second Amendment, which restricts the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government from restricting your individual right to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms, the context of which is you have a right to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and defend your life and liberty.  Sorry if that was not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear to the snotty little troll.  He's pretending 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if the government is not always there, then surely 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to have nukes and ricin and any other arms I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If not, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, because weapons of mass destruction cannot be used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without indiscriminately violating other law abiding 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is clear that the right - the pre-existing right - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secured by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the amendment is not an unlimited right to just whatever 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arms you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish. I know it just chaps your ass, and chaps the asses 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other right-wingnuts like Hartung and Scooter and that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cowardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuckstain Doddering, that learned scholars like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blackstone and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Story talk about the right covering arms "suitable to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition", and that more recent learned scholars like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scalia fully embrace that idea. What pisses you off is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have some *unlimited* right to decide what is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suitable to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *your* condition, and that's just not how rights operate, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are left with these facts.  The right to keep and bear 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arms is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not unlimited.  The limits are not defined in any amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressing the right - those limits are taken by the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authors of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment as given elsewhere.  The lack of mention of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limits in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the text of the amendment *DOES NOT MEAN* that those 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limits do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist - they exist. They have to be teased out of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learned scholars like Blackstone and Story and Scalia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just said that I think the right does not extend to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destructions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't extend to quite a lot of arms that you think it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What arms are those?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have to enumerate a list of them.  *You* have already 
>>>>>>>>>>> given a
>>>>>>>>>>> partial list.  There are others.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall preparing even a partial list of arms that
>>>>>>>>>> I think are covered by "the right of the people to keep and
>>>>>>>>>> bear arms" that the right does not actually cover.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You provided a partial list of those that *aren't* covered.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No I didn't.  I identified a category of WEAPONS (weapons of
>>>>>>>> mass destruction or WMDs), NOT a partial list of "arms", that
>>>>>>>> I think the right to keep and bear arms applies to.
>>>>>>>> I don't think WMDs even meet the definition of "arms"
>>>>>>>> in this context.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Heck, if Rudy thinks the 2nd protects WMD....why fight him on it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After all, we can all see he's surrendered on the issue of 
>>>>>>> firearms by
>>>>>>> changing the topic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Constitution speaks of arms, not firearms.
>>>>>
>>>>> Firearms are arms, Snot.  Don't you know anything?
>>>>
>>>> Glad you figured that out.
>>>
>>> We're wondering when you might figure it out.
>>>
>> How many people are you
> 
> Several.
> 
i believe you think that

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#244870

FromRudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con>
Date2019-01-03 09:37 -0800
Message-ID<vLrXD.287696$vH3.74558@fx36.iad>
In reply to#244863
On 1/3/2019 9:29 AM, % wrote:
> On 2019-01-03 10:26 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/3/2019 9:26 AM, Snit wrote:
>>> On 1/3/19 10:14 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:02 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>> Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 8:45 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Just Wondering" <JW@me.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:WQeWD.65693$4D2.35349@fx22.iad...
>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 2:22 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:02 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:42 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:58 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 1:33 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 11:45 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:22 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/18 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 8:56 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted <ted@sam.street> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. The 2nd Amendment was written to ensure freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The context of what it was written for has changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freedom encompasses the individual rights to life and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People have a right to defend and protect those rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, because government is not always there to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defend those rights for them.  How is that context 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than it was in 1787?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the second amendment, which includes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context of the militia. Sorry if that was not clear to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the Second Amendment, which restricts the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government from restricting your individual right to keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms, the context of which is you have a right to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and defend your life and liberty.  Sorry if that was not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear to the snotty little troll.  He's pretending not to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if the government is not always there, then surely I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to have nukes and ricin and any other arms I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If not, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, because weapons of mass destruction cannot be used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without indiscriminately violating other law abiding people's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is clear that the right - the pre-existing right - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secured by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the amendment is not an unlimited right to just whatever 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arms you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish. I know it just chaps your ass, and chaps the asses of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other right-wingnuts like Hartung and Scooter and that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cowardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuckstain Doddering, that learned scholars like Blackstone and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Story talk about the right covering arms "suitable to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition", and that more recent learned scholars like Justice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scalia fully embrace that idea. What pisses you off is you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have some *unlimited* right to decide what is suitable to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *your* condition, and that's just not how rights operate, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are left with these facts.  The right to keep and bear 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arms is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not unlimited.  The limits are not defined in any amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressing the right - those limits are taken by the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authors of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment as given elsewhere.  The lack of mention of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limits in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the text of the amendment *DOES NOT MEAN* that those limits 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist - they exist. They have to be teased out of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learned scholars like Blackstone and Story and Scalia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just said that I think the right does not extend to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destructions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't extend to quite a lot of arms that you think it does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What arms are those?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have to enumerate a list of them.  *You* have already 
>>>>>>>>>>>> given a
>>>>>>>>>>>> partial list.  There are others.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall preparing even a partial list of arms that
>>>>>>>>>>> I think are covered by "the right of the people to keep and
>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms" that the right does not actually cover.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You provided a partial list of those that *aren't* covered.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No I didn't.  I identified a category of WEAPONS (weapons of
>>>>>>>>> mass destruction or WMDs), NOT a partial list of "arms", that
>>>>>>>>> I think the right to keep and bear arms applies to.
>>>>>>>>> I don't think WMDs even meet the definition of "arms"
>>>>>>>>> in this context.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Heck, if Rudy thinks the 2nd protects WMD....why fight him on it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After all, we can all see he's surrendered on the issue of firearms by
>>>>>>>> changing the topic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Constitution speaks of arms, not firearms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Firearms are arms, Snot.  Don't you know anything?
>>>>>
>>>>> Glad you figured that out.
>>>>
>>>> We're wondering when you might figure it out.
>>>>
>>> How many people are you
>>
>> Several.
>>
> i believe you think that

It's a fact.

-- 
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his bloated ego.  Snot fancies himself the Great
Tribune of Usenet, who is going to tell all the
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#244875

From% <persent@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-03 10:41 -0700
Message-ID<bsi710.g3f.17.26@news.alt.net>
In reply to#244870
On 2019-01-03 10:37 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 1/3/2019 9:29 AM, % wrote:
>> On 2019-01-03 10:26 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 1/3/2019 9:26 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>> On 1/3/19 10:14 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:02 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 8:45 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Just Wondering" <JW@me.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:WQeWD.65693$4D2.35349@fx22.iad...
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 2:22 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:02 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:42 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:58 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 1:33 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 11:45 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:22 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/18 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 8:56 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted <ted@sam.street> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. The 2nd Amendment was written to ensure 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The context of what it was written for has changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freedom encompasses the individual rights to life 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People have a right to defend and protect those rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, because government is not always there to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defend those rights for them.  How is that context 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than it was in 1787?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the second amendment, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> includes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context of the militia. Sorry if that was not clear 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the Second Amendment, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricts the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government from restricting your individual right to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms, the context of which is you have a right to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and defend your life and liberty.  Sorry if that was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not clear to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear to the snotty little troll.  He's pretending 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if the government is not always there, then 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surely I should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to have nukes and ricin and any other arms I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If not, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, because weapons of mass destruction cannot be used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without indiscriminately violating other law abiding 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is clear that the right - the pre-existing right - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secured by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the amendment is not an unlimited right to just 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever arms you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish. I know it just chaps your ass, and chaps the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asses of all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other right-wingnuts like Hartung and Scooter and that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cowardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuckstain Doddering, that learned scholars like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blackstone and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Story talk about the right covering arms "suitable to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition", and that more recent learned scholars like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scalia fully embrace that idea. What pisses you off is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have some *unlimited* right to decide what is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suitable to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *your* condition, and that's just not how rights 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operate, and never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are left with these facts.  The right to keep and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not unlimited.  The limits are not defined in any 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressing the right - those limits are taken by the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authors of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment as given elsewhere.  The lack of mention of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the limits in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the text of the amendment *DOES NOT MEAN* that those 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limits do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist - they exist. They have to be teased out of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learned scholars like Blackstone and Story and Scalia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just said that I think the right does not extend to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destructions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't extend to quite a lot of arms that you think 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What arms are those?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have to enumerate a list of them.  *You* have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> already given a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> partial list.  There are others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall preparing even a partial list of arms that
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think are covered by "the right of the people to keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms" that the right does not actually cover.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You provided a partial list of those that *aren't* covered.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No I didn't.  I identified a category of WEAPONS (weapons of
>>>>>>>>>> mass destruction or WMDs), NOT a partial list of "arms", that
>>>>>>>>>> I think the right to keep and bear arms applies to.
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think WMDs even meet the definition of "arms"
>>>>>>>>>> in this context.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Heck, if Rudy thinks the 2nd protects WMD....why fight him on it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After all, we can all see he's surrendered on the issue of 
>>>>>>>>> firearms by
>>>>>>>>> changing the topic.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Constitution speaks of arms, not firearms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Firearms are arms, Snot.  Don't you know anything?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glad you figured that out.
>>>>>
>>>>> We're wondering when you might figure it out.
>>>>>
>>>> How many people are you
>>>
>>> Several.
>>>
>> i believe you think that
> 
> It's a fact.
> 
i believe you think that

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#244877

FromRudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con>
Date2019-01-03 09:47 -0800
Message-ID<UUrXD.347739$2A7.134580@fx48.iad>
In reply to#244875
On 1/3/2019 9:41 AM, % wrote:
> On 2019-01-03 10:37 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/3/2019 9:29 AM, % wrote:
>>> On 2019-01-03 10:26 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:26 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On 1/3/19 10:14 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:02 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 8:45 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Just Wondering" <JW@me.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:WQeWD.65693$4D2.35349@fx22.iad...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 2:22 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:02 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:42 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:58 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 1:33 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 11:45 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:22 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/18 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 8:56 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted <ted@sam.street> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. The 2nd Amendment was written to ensure 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The context of what it was written for has changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freedom encompasses the individual rights to life and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People have a right to defend and protect those rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, because government is not always there to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defend those rights for them.  How is that context 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than it was in 1787?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the second amendment, which includes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context of the militia. Sorry if that was not clear to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the Second Amendment, which restricts the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government from restricting your individual right to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms, the context of which is you have a right to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and defend your life and liberty.  Sorry if that was not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear to the snotty little troll.  He's pretending 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if the government is not always there, then surely 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to have nukes and ricin and any other arms I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If not, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, because weapons of mass destruction cannot be used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without indiscriminately violating other law abiding 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is clear that the right - the pre-existing right - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secured by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the amendment is not an unlimited right to just whatever 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arms you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish. I know it just chaps your ass, and chaps the asses 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other right-wingnuts like Hartung and Scooter and that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cowardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuckstain Doddering, that learned scholars like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blackstone and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Story talk about the right covering arms "suitable to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition", and that more recent learned scholars like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scalia fully embrace that idea. What pisses you off is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have some *unlimited* right to decide what is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suitable to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *your* condition, and that's just not how rights operate, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are left with these facts.  The right to keep and bear 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arms is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not unlimited.  The limits are not defined in any amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressing the right - those limits are taken by the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authors of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment as given elsewhere.  The lack of mention of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limits in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the text of the amendment *DOES NOT MEAN* that those 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limits do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist - they exist. They have to be teased out of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learned scholars like Blackstone and Story and Scalia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just said that I think the right does not extend to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destructions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't extend to quite a lot of arms that you think it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What arms are those?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have to enumerate a list of them.  *You* have already 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partial list.  There are others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall preparing even a partial list of arms that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think are covered by "the right of the people to keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms" that the right does not actually cover.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You provided a partial list of those that *aren't* covered.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No I didn't.  I identified a category of WEAPONS (weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>> mass destruction or WMDs), NOT a partial list of "arms", that
>>>>>>>>>>> I think the right to keep and bear arms applies to.
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think WMDs even meet the definition of "arms"
>>>>>>>>>>> in this context.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Heck, if Rudy thinks the 2nd protects WMD....why fight him on it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> After all, we can all see he's surrendered on the issue of 
>>>>>>>>>> firearms by
>>>>>>>>>> changing the topic.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Constitution speaks of arms, not firearms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Firearms are arms, Snot.  Don't you know anything?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glad you figured that out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We're wondering when you might figure it out.
>>>>>>
>>>>> How many people are you
>>>>
>>>> Several.
>>>>
>>> i believe you think that
>>
>> It's a fact.
>>
> i believe you think that

I believe it because it is so.

-- 
Snot's '.sig' is wrong, sophomoric and indicative of
his bloated ego.  Snot fancies himself the Great
Tribune of Usenet, who is going to tell all the
rest of us What It All Means.

Well...no.  Just no.

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#244880

From% <persent@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-03 10:57 -0700
Message-ID<bsi80b.ute.19.1@news.alt.net>
In reply to#244877
On 2019-01-03 10:47 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 1/3/2019 9:41 AM, % wrote:
>> On 2019-01-03 10:37 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 1/3/2019 9:29 AM, % wrote:
>>>> On 2019-01-03 10:26 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:26 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/3/19 10:14 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:02 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 8:45 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Just Wondering" <JW@me.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:WQeWD.65693$4D2.35349@fx22.iad...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 2:22 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:02 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:42 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:58 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 1:33 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 11:45 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:22 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/18 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 8:56 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted <ted@sam.street> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. The 2nd Amendment was written to ensure 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The context of what it was written for has changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freedom encompasses the individual rights to life 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People have a right to defend and protect those 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, because government is not always there to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defend those rights for them.  How is that context 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than it was in 1787?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the second amendment, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> includes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context of the militia. Sorry if that was not clear 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the Second Amendment, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricts the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government from restricting your individual right to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms, the context of which is you have a right 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to protect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and defend your life and liberty.  Sorry if that was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not clear to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear to the snotty little troll.  He's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretending not to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if the government is not always there, then 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surely I should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to have nukes and ricin and any other arms 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If not, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, because weapons of mass destruction cannot be used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without indiscriminately violating other law abiding 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is clear that the right - the pre-existing right - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secured by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the amendment is not an unlimited right to just 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever arms you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish. I know it just chaps your ass, and chaps the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asses of all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other right-wingnuts like Hartung and Scooter and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that cowardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuckstain Doddering, that learned scholars like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blackstone and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Story talk about the right covering arms "suitable to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition", and that more recent learned scholars 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like Justice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scalia fully embrace that idea. What pisses you off 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have some *unlimited* right to decide what is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suitable to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *your* condition, and that's just not how rights 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operate, and never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are left with these facts.  The right to keep and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not unlimited.  The limits are not defined in any 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressing the right - those limits are taken by the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authors of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment as given elsewhere.  The lack of mention of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the limits in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the text of the amendment *DOES NOT MEAN* that those 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limits do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist - they exist. They have to be teased out of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learned scholars like Blackstone and Story and Scalia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just said that I think the right does not extend to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destructions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't extend to quite a lot of arms that you think 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What arms are those?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have to enumerate a list of them.  *You* have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already given a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partial list.  There are others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall preparing even a partial list of arms that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think are covered by "the right of the people to keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms" that the right does not actually cover.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You provided a partial list of those that *aren't* covered.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No I didn't.  I identified a category of WEAPONS (weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destruction or WMDs), NOT a partial list of "arms", that
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the right to keep and bear arms applies to.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think WMDs even meet the definition of "arms"
>>>>>>>>>>>> in this context.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Heck, if Rudy thinks the 2nd protects WMD....why fight him on 
>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> After all, we can all see he's surrendered on the issue of 
>>>>>>>>>>> firearms by
>>>>>>>>>>> changing the topic.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Constitution speaks of arms, not firearms.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Firearms are arms, Snot.  Don't you know anything?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Glad you figured that out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're wondering when you might figure it out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many people are you
>>>>>
>>>>> Several.
>>>>>
>>>> i believe you think that
>>>
>>> It's a fact.
>>>
>> i believe you think that
> 
> I believe it because it is so.
> 
maybe for you

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#244881

FromRudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con>
Date2019-01-03 09:58 -0800
Message-ID<53sXD.194492$IR7.116914@fx40.iad>
In reply to#244880
On 1/3/2019 9:57 AM, % wrote:
> On 2019-01-03 10:47 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/3/2019 9:41 AM, % wrote:
>>> On 2019-01-03 10:37 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:29 AM, % wrote:
>>>>> On 2019-01-03 10:26 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:26 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/3/19 10:14 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:02 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 8:45 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just Wondering" <JW@me.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:WQeWD.65693$4D2.35349@fx22.iad...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 2:22 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:02 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:42 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:58 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 1:33 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 11:45 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:22 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/18 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 8:56 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted <ted@sam.street> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. The 2nd Amendment was written to ensure 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The context of what it was written for has changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freedom encompasses the individual rights to life 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People have a right to defend and protect those rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, because government is not always there to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defend those rights for them.  How is that context 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than it was in 1787?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the second amendment, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> includes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context of the militia. Sorry if that was not clear 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the Second Amendment, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricts the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government from restricting your individual right to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms, the context of which is you have a right to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and defend your life and liberty.  Sorry if that was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not clear to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear to the snotty little troll.  He's pretending 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if the government is not always there, then 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surely I should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to have nukes and ricin and any other arms I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If not, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, because weapons of mass destruction cannot be used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without indiscriminately violating other law abiding 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is clear that the right - the pre-existing right - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secured by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the amendment is not an unlimited right to just 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever arms you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish. I know it just chaps your ass, and chaps the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asses of all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other right-wingnuts like Hartung and Scooter and that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cowardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuckstain Doddering, that learned scholars like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blackstone and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Story talk about the right covering arms "suitable to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition", and that more recent learned scholars like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scalia fully embrace that idea. What pisses you off is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have some *unlimited* right to decide what is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suitable to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *your* condition, and that's just not how rights 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operate, and never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are left with these facts.  The right to keep and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not unlimited.  The limits are not defined in any 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressing the right - those limits are taken by the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authors of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment as given elsewhere.  The lack of mention of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the limits in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the text of the amendment *DOES NOT MEAN* that those 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limits do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist - they exist. They have to be teased out of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learned scholars like Blackstone and Story and Scalia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just said that I think the right does not extend to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destructions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't extend to quite a lot of arms that you think 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What arms are those?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have to enumerate a list of them.  *You* have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already given a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partial list.  There are others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall preparing even a partial list of arms that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think are covered by "the right of the people to keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms" that the right does not actually cover.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You provided a partial list of those that *aren't* covered.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No I didn't.  I identified a category of WEAPONS (weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destruction or WMDs), NOT a partial list of "arms", that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the right to keep and bear arms applies to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think WMDs even meet the definition of "arms"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in this context.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Heck, if Rudy thinks the 2nd protects WMD....why fight him on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> After all, we can all see he's surrendered on the issue of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> firearms by
>>>>>>>>>>>> changing the topic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Constitution speaks of arms, not firearms.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Firearms are arms, Snot.  Don't you know anything?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Glad you figured that out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We're wondering when you might figure it out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How many people are you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Several.
>>>>>>
>>>>> i believe you think that
>>>>
>>>> It's a fact.
>>>>
>>> i believe you think that
>>
>> I believe it because it is so.
>>
> maybe for you

Universally.

-- 
Snot's '.sig' is wrong, sophomoric and indicative of
his bloated ego.  Snot fancies himself the Great
Tribune of Usenet, who is going to tell all the
rest of us What It All Means.

Well...no.  Just no.

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#244883

From% <persent@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-03 11:01 -0700
Message-ID<bsi86r.ute.19.3@news.alt.net>
In reply to#244881
On 2019-01-03 10:58 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 1/3/2019 9:57 AM, % wrote:
>> On 2019-01-03 10:47 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 1/3/2019 9:41 AM, % wrote:
>>>> On 2019-01-03 10:37 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:29 AM, % wrote:
>>>>>> On 2019-01-03 10:26 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:26 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/3/19 10:14 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:02 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 8:45 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just Wondering" <JW@me.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:WQeWD.65693$4D2.35349@fx22.iad...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 2:22 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:02 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:42 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:58 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 1:33 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 11:45 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:22 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/18 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 8:56 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted <ted@sam.street> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. The 2nd Amendment was written to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ensure freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The context of what it was written for has 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freedom encompasses the individual rights to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People have a right to defend and protect those 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, because government is not always 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defend those rights for them.  How is that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than it was in 1787?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the second amendment, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> includes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context of the militia. Sorry if that was not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the Second Amendment, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricts the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government from restricting your individual right 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms, the context of which is you have a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right to protect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and defend your life and liberty.  Sorry if that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was not clear to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear to the snotty little troll.  He's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretending not to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if the government is not always there, then 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surely I should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to have nukes and ricin and any other 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arms I want, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If not, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, because weapons of mass destruction cannot be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without indiscriminately violating other law 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abiding people's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is clear that the right - the pre-existing right 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - secured by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the amendment is not an unlimited right to just 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever arms you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish. I know it just chaps your ass, and chaps the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asses of all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other right-wingnuts like Hartung and Scooter and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that cowardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuckstain Doddering, that learned scholars like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blackstone and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Story talk about the right covering arms "suitable 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition", and that more recent learned scholars 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like Justice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scalia fully embrace that idea. What pisses you off 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have some *unlimited* right to decide what is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suitable to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *your* condition, and that's just not how rights 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operate, and never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are left with these facts.  The right to keep 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and bear arms is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not unlimited.  The limits are not defined in any 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressing the right - those limits are taken by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the authors of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment as given elsewhere.  The lack of mention 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the limits in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the text of the amendment *DOES NOT MEAN* that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those limits do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist - they exist. They have to be teased out of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the writings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learned scholars like Blackstone and Story and Scalia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just said that I think the right does not extend 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destructions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't extend to quite a lot of arms that you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What arms are those?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have to enumerate a list of them.  *You* have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already given a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partial list.  There are others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall preparing even a partial list of arms that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think are covered by "the right of the people to keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms" that the right does not actually cover.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You provided a partial list of those that *aren't* covered.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No I didn't.  I identified a category of WEAPONS (weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destruction or WMDs), NOT a partial list of "arms", that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the right to keep and bear arms applies to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think WMDs even meet the definition of "arms"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in this context.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heck, if Rudy thinks the 2nd protects WMD....why fight him 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all, we can all see he's surrendered on the issue of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> firearms by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing the topic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Constitution speaks of arms, not firearms.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Firearms are arms, Snot.  Don't you know anything?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Glad you figured that out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We're wondering when you might figure it out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How many people are you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Several.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> i believe you think that
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a fact.
>>>>>
>>>> i believe you think that
>>>
>>> I believe it because it is so.
>>>
>> maybe for you
> 
> Universally.
> 
ok show me two people that agree with you

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#244885

FromRudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con>
Date2019-01-03 10:05 -0800
Message-ID<1asXD.178505$lx7.170224@fx44.iad>
In reply to#244883
On 1/3/2019 10:01 AM, % wrote:
> On 2019-01-03 10:58 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/3/2019 9:57 AM, % wrote:
>>> On 2019-01-03 10:47 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:41 AM, % wrote:
>>>>> On 2019-01-03 10:37 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:29 AM, % wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2019-01-03 10:26 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:26 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/3/19 10:14 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:02 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 8:45 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just Wondering" <JW@me.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:WQeWD.65693$4D2.35349@fx22.iad...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 2:22 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:02 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:42 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:58 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 1:33 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 11:45 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:22 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/18 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 8:56 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted <ted@sam.street> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. The 2nd Amendment was written to ensure 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The context of what it was written for has changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freedom encompasses the individual rights to life 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People have a right to defend and protect those 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, because government is not always there to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defend those rights for them.  How is that context 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than it was in 1787?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the second amendment, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> includes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context of the militia. Sorry if that was not clear 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the Second Amendment, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricts the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government from restricting your individual right to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms, the context of which is you have a right 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to protect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and defend your life and liberty.  Sorry if that was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not clear to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear to the snotty little troll.  He's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretending not to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if the government is not always there, then 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surely I should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to have nukes and ricin and any other arms 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If not, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, because weapons of mass destruction cannot be used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without indiscriminately violating other law abiding 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is clear that the right - the pre-existing right - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secured by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the amendment is not an unlimited right to just 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever arms you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish. I know it just chaps your ass, and chaps the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asses of all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other right-wingnuts like Hartung and Scooter and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that cowardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuckstain Doddering, that learned scholars like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blackstone and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Story talk about the right covering arms "suitable to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition", and that more recent learned scholars 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like Justice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scalia fully embrace that idea. What pisses you off 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have some *unlimited* right to decide what is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suitable to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *your* condition, and that's just not how rights 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operate, and never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are left with these facts.  The right to keep and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not unlimited.  The limits are not defined in any 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressing the right - those limits are taken by the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authors of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment as given elsewhere.  The lack of mention of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the limits in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the text of the amendment *DOES NOT MEAN* that those 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limits do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist - they exist. They have to be teased out of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learned scholars like Blackstone and Story and Scalia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just said that I think the right does not extend to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destructions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't extend to quite a lot of arms that you think 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What arms are those?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have to enumerate a list of them.  *You* have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already given a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partial list.  There are others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall preparing even a partial list of arms that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think are covered by "the right of the people to keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms" that the right does not actually cover.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You provided a partial list of those that *aren't* covered.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No I didn't.  I identified a category of WEAPONS (weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destruction or WMDs), NOT a partial list of "arms", that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the right to keep and bear arms applies to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think WMDs even meet the definition of "arms"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in this context.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heck, if Rudy thinks the 2nd protects WMD....why fight him on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all, we can all see he's surrendered on the issue of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firearms by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing the topic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Constitution speaks of arms, not firearms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Firearms are arms, Snot.  Don't you know anything?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Glad you figured that out.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We're wondering when you might figure it out.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How many people are you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Several.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i believe you think that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a fact.
>>>>>>
>>>>> i believe you think that
>>>>
>>>> I believe it because it is so.
>>>>
>>> maybe for you
>>
>> Universally.
>>
> ok 

Okay.

-- 
Snot's '.sig' is wrong, sophomoric and indicative of
his bloated ego.  Snot fancies himself the Great
Tribune of Usenet, who is going to tell all the
rest of us What It All Means.

Well...no.  Just no.

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#244886

From% <persent@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-03 11:12 -0700
Message-ID<bsi8ro.alu.19.2@news.alt.net>
In reply to#244885
On 2019-01-03 11:05 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 1/3/2019 10:01 AM, % wrote:
>> On 2019-01-03 10:58 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 1/3/2019 9:57 AM, % wrote:
>>>> On 2019-01-03 10:47 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:41 AM, % wrote:
>>>>>> On 2019-01-03 10:37 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:29 AM, % wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2019-01-03 10:26 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:26 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/3/19 10:14 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:02 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 8:45 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just Wondering" <JW@me.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:WQeWD.65693$4D2.35349@fx22.iad...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 2:22 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:02 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:42 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:58 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 1:33 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 11:45 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:22 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/18 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 8:56 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted <ted@sam.street> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. The 2nd Amendment was written to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ensure freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The context of what it was written for has 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freedom encompasses the individual rights to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People have a right to defend and protect 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, because government is not always 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defend those rights for them.  How is that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than it was in 1787?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the second amendment, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> includes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context of the militia. Sorry if that was not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the Second Amendment, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricts the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government from restricting your individual 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right to keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms, the context of which is you have a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right to protect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and defend your life and liberty.  Sorry if that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was not clear to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear to the snotty little troll.  He's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretending not to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if the government is not always there, then 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surely I should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to have nukes and ricin and any other 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arms I want, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If not, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, because weapons of mass destruction cannot 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without indiscriminately violating other law 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abiding people's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is clear that the right - the pre-existing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right - secured by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the amendment is not an unlimited right to just 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever arms you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish. I know it just chaps your ass, and chaps 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the asses of all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other right-wingnuts like Hartung and Scooter and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that cowardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuckstain Doddering, that learned scholars like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blackstone and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Story talk about the right covering arms 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "suitable to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition", and that more recent learned scholars 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like Justice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scalia fully embrace that idea. What pisses you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off is you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have some *unlimited* right to decide what is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suitable to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *your* condition, and that's just not how rights 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operate, and never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are left with these facts.  The right to keep 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and bear arms is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not unlimited.  The limits are not defined in any 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressing the right - those limits are taken by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the authors of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment as given elsewhere.  The lack of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mention of the limits in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the text of the amendment *DOES NOT MEAN* that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those limits do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist - they exist. They have to be teased out of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the writings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learned scholars like Blackstone and Story and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scalia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just said that I think the right does not extend 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destructions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't extend to quite a lot of arms that you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What arms are those?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have to enumerate a list of them.  *You* have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already given a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partial list.  There are others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall preparing even a partial list of arms that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think are covered by "the right of the people to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms" that the right does not actually cover.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You provided a partial list of those that *aren't* 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> covered.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No I didn't.  I identified a category of WEAPONS 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destruction or WMDs), NOT a partial list of "arms", 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the right to keep and bear arms applies to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think WMDs even meet the definition of "arms"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in this context.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heck, if Rudy thinks the 2nd protects WMD....why fight 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all, we can all see he's surrendered on the issue 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of firearms by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing the topic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Constitution speaks of arms, not firearms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Firearms are arms, Snot.  Don't you know anything?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Glad you figured that out.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We're wondering when you might figure it out.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How many people are you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Several.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i believe you think that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a fact.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> i believe you think that
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe it because it is so.
>>>>>
>>>> maybe for you
>>>
>>> Universally.
>>>
>> ok 
> 
> Okay.
> 
i believe you think its ok

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#244887

FromRudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con>
Date2019-01-03 10:15 -0800
Message-ID<OisXD.195132$IR7.101409@fx40.iad>
In reply to#244886
On 1/3/2019 10:12 AM, % wrote:
> On 2019-01-03 11:05 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/3/2019 10:01 AM, % wrote:
>>> On 2019-01-03 10:58 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:57 AM, % wrote:
>>>>> On 2019-01-03 10:47 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:41 AM, % wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2019-01-03 10:37 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:29 AM, % wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2019-01-03 10:26 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:26 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/3/19 10:14 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 9:02 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/3/2019 8:45 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just Wondering" <JW@me.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:WQeWD.65693$4D2.35349@fx22.iad...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 2:22 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:02 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:42 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:58 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 1:33 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 11:45 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:22 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/18 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 8:56 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted <ted@sam.street> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. The 2nd Amendment was written to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ensure freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The context of what it was written for has 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freedom encompasses the individual rights to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People have a right to defend and protect those 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, because government is not always 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defend those rights for them.  How is that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than it was in 1787?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the second amendment, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> includes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context of the militia. Sorry if that was not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the Second Amendment, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricts the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government from restricting your individual right 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms, the context of which is you have a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right to protect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and defend your life and liberty.  Sorry if that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was not clear to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear to the snotty little troll.  He's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretending not to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if the government is not always there, then 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surely I should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to have nukes and ricin and any other 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arms I want, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If not, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, because weapons of mass destruction cannot be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without indiscriminately violating other law 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abiding people's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is clear that the right - the pre-existing right 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - secured by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the amendment is not an unlimited right to just 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever arms you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish. I know it just chaps your ass, and chaps the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asses of all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other right-wingnuts like Hartung and Scooter and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that cowardly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuckstain Doddering, that learned scholars like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blackstone and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Story talk about the right covering arms "suitable 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condition", and that more recent learned scholars 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like Justice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scalia fully embrace that idea. What pisses you off 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have some *unlimited* right to decide what is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suitable to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *your* condition, and that's just not how rights 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operate, and never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are left with these facts.  The right to keep 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and bear arms is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not unlimited.  The limits are not defined in any 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressing the right - those limits are taken by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the authors of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment as given elsewhere.  The lack of mention 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the limits in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the text of the amendment *DOES NOT MEAN* that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those limits do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist - they exist. They have to be teased out of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the writings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learned scholars like Blackstone and Story and Scalia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just said that I think the right does not extend 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destructions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't extend to quite a lot of arms that you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What arms are those?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have to enumerate a list of them.  *You* have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already given a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partial list.  There are others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall preparing even a partial list of arms that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think are covered by "the right of the people to keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms" that the right does not actually cover.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You provided a partial list of those that *aren't* covered.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No I didn't.  I identified a category of WEAPONS (weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass destruction or WMDs), NOT a partial list of "arms", that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the right to keep and bear arms applies to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think WMDs even meet the definition of "arms"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in this context.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heck, if Rudy thinks the 2nd protects WMD....why fight him 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all, we can all see he's surrendered on the issue of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firearms by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing the topic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Constitution speaks of arms, not firearms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Firearms are arms, Snot.  Don't you know anything?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glad you figured that out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We're wondering when you might figure it out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How many people are you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Several.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i believe you think that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's a fact.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i believe you think that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe it because it is so.
>>>>>>
>>>>> maybe for you
>>>>
>>>> Universally.
>>>>
>>> ok 
>>
>> Okay.
>>
> i believe you 

You should.

-- 
Snot's '.sig' is wrong, sophomoric and indicative of
his bloated ego.  Snot fancies himself the Great
Tribune of Usenet, who is going to tell all the
rest of us What It All Means.

Well...no.  Just no.

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#244824

From% <persent@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-03 10:10 -0700
Message-ID<bsi579.g3f.17.4@news.alt.net>
In reply to#244812
On 2019-01-03 9:58 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 1/3/2019 8:45 AM, Snit wrote:
>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Just Wondering" <JW@me.com> wrote in message
>>> news:WQeWD.65693$4D2.35349@fx22.iad...
>>>> On 12/30/2018 2:22 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:02 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:42 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:58 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 1:33 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 11:45 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:22 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/18 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 8:56 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted <ted@sam.street> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. The 2nd Amendment was written to ensure freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The context of what it was written for has changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freedom encompasses the individual rights to life and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People have a right to defend and protect those rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, because government is not always there to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defend those rights for them.  How is that context different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than it was in 1787?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the second amendment, which includes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> context of the militia. Sorry if that was not clear to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the Second Amendment, which restricts the
>>>>>>>>>>>> government from restricting your individual right to keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms, the context of which is you have a right to protect
>>>>>>>>>>>> and defend your life and liberty.  Sorry if that was not 
>>>>>>>>>>>> clear to
>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear to the snotty little troll.  He's pretending not to
>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if the government is not always there, then surely I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to have nukes and ricin and any other arms I want, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If not, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, because weapons of mass destruction cannot be used
>>>>>>>>>>>> without indiscriminately violating other law abiding people's
>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is clear that the right - the pre-existing right - secured by
>>>>>>>>>>> the amendment is not an unlimited right to just whatever arms 
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> wish. I know it just chaps your ass, and chaps the asses of 
>>>>>>>>>>> all the
>>>>>>>>>>> other right-wingnuts like Hartung and Scooter and that cowardly
>>>>>>>>>>> fuckstain Doddering, that learned scholars like Blackstone and
>>>>>>>>>>> Story talk about the right covering arms "suitable to their
>>>>>>>>>>> condition", and that more recent learned scholars like Justice
>>>>>>>>>>> Scalia fully embrace that idea. What pisses you off is you think
>>>>>>>>>>> you have some *unlimited* right to decide what is suitable to
>>>>>>>>>>> *your* condition, and that's just not how rights operate, and 
>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We are left with these facts.  The right to keep and bear 
>>>>>>>>>>> arms is
>>>>>>>>>>> not unlimited.  The limits are not defined in any amendment
>>>>>>>>>>> addressing the right - those limits are taken by the authors 
>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>> amendment as given elsewhere.  The lack of mention of the 
>>>>>>>>>>> limits in
>>>>>>>>>>> the text of the amendment *DOES NOT MEAN* that those limits 
>>>>>>>>>>> do not
>>>>>>>>>>> exist - they exist. They have to be teased out of the 
>>>>>>>>>>> writings of
>>>>>>>>>>> learned scholars like Blackstone and Story and Scalia
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just said that I think the right does not extend to weapons of
>>>>>>>>>> mass destructions,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It doesn't extend to quite a lot of arms that you think it does.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What arms are those?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have to enumerate a list of them.  *You* have already 
>>>>>>> given a
>>>>>>> partial list.  There are others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't recall preparing even a partial list of arms that
>>>>>> I think are covered by "the right of the people to keep and
>>>>>> bear arms" that the right does not actually cover.
>>>>>
>>>>> You provided a partial list of those that *aren't* covered.
>>>>
>>>> No I didn't.  I identified a category of WEAPONS (weapons of
>>>> mass destruction or WMDs), NOT a partial list of "arms", that
>>>> I think the right to keep and bear arms applies to.
>>>> I don't think WMDs even meet the definition of "arms"
>>>> in this context.
>>>
>>> Heck, if Rudy thinks the 2nd protects WMD....why fight him on it.
>>>
>>> After all, we can all see he's surrendered on the issue of firearms by
>>> changing the topic.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The Constitution speaks of arms, not firearms.
> 
> Firearms are arms, Snot.  Don't you know anything?
> 
so when you hold your lover in your arms ,
you're actually wrapping them in your guns

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#244845

FromRudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con>
Date2019-01-03 09:23 -0800
Message-ID<fyrXD.408588$_35.384224@fx46.iad>
In reply to#244824
On 1/3/2019 9:10 AM, % wrote:
> On 2019-01-03 9:58 a.m., Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/3/2019 8:45 AM, Snit wrote:
>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Just Wondering" <JW@me.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:WQeWD.65693$4D2.35349@fx22.iad...
>>>>> On 12/30/2018 2:22 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:02 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:42 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:34 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 12:58 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 1:33 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 11:45 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 12:22 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/18 12:10 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2018 8:56 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted <ted@sam.street> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. The 2nd Amendment was written to ensure freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The context of what it was written for has changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freedom encompasses the individual rights to life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People have a right to defend and protect those rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, because government is not always there to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defend those rights for them.  How is that context different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than it was in 1787?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the second amendment, which includes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context of the militia. Sorry if that was not clear to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking of the Second Amendment, which restricts the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> government from restricting your individual right to keep and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bear arms, the context of which is you have a right to protect
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and defend your life and liberty.  Sorry if that was not clear to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear to the snotty little troll.  He's pretending not to
>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if the government is not always there, then surely I should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to have nukes and ricin and any other arms I want, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If not, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, because weapons of mass destruction cannot be used
>>>>>>>>>>>>> without indiscriminately violating other law abiding people's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to life and liberty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is clear that the right - the pre-existing right - secured by
>>>>>>>>>>>> the amendment is not an unlimited right to just whatever arms you
>>>>>>>>>>>> wish. I know it just chaps your ass, and chaps the asses of all 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> other right-wingnuts like Hartung and Scooter and that cowardly
>>>>>>>>>>>> fuckstain Doddering, that learned scholars like Blackstone and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Story talk about the right covering arms "suitable to their
>>>>>>>>>>>> condition", and that more recent learned scholars like Justice
>>>>>>>>>>>> Scalia fully embrace that idea. What pisses you off is you think
>>>>>>>>>>>> you have some *unlimited* right to decide what is suitable to
>>>>>>>>>>>> *your* condition, and that's just not how rights operate, and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We are left with these facts.  The right to keep and bear arms is
>>>>>>>>>>>> not unlimited.  The limits are not defined in any amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>> addressing the right - those limits are taken by the authors of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment as given elsewhere.  The lack of mention of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> limits in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the text of the amendment *DOES NOT MEAN* that those limits do not
>>>>>>>>>>>> exist - they exist. They have to be teased out of the writings of
>>>>>>>>>>>> learned scholars like Blackstone and Story and Scalia
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I just said that I think the right does not extend to weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>> mass destructions,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't extend to quite a lot of arms that you think it does.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What arms are those?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have to enumerate a list of them.  *You* have already given a
>>>>>>>> partial list.  There are others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't recall preparing even a partial list of arms that
>>>>>>> I think are covered by "the right of the people to keep and
>>>>>>> bear arms" that the right does not actually cover.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You provided a partial list of those that *aren't* covered.
>>>>>
>>>>> No I didn't.  I identified a category of WEAPONS (weapons of
>>>>> mass destruction or WMDs), NOT a partial list of "arms", that
>>>>> I think the right to keep and bear arms applies to.
>>>>> I don't think WMDs even meet the definition of "arms"
>>>>> in this context.
>>>>
>>>> Heck, if Rudy thinks the 2nd protects WMD....why fight him on it.
>>>>
>>>> After all, we can all see he's surrendered on the issue of firearms by
>>>> changing the topic.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The Constitution speaks of arms, not firearms.
>>
>> Firearms are arms, Snot.  Don't you know anything?
>>
> so when you hold your lover in your arms ,
> you're actually wrapping them in your guns

You specialize in willful stupidity, don't you?

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#244928

FromKlaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net>
Date2019-01-03 11:44 -0800
Message-ID<3hps2e9toc07rnf2u662jirtui4upqoqti@4ax.com>
In reply to#244802
On 3 Jan 2019 16:45:09 GMT, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

>The Constitution speaks of arms, not firearms. 

It speaks of firearms.

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#244959

FromJust Wondering <JW@me.com>
Date2019-01-03 13:14 -0700
Message-ID<03uXD.193324$e%3.63141@fx42.iad>
In reply to#244928
On 1/3/2019 12:44 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> On 3 Jan 2019 16:45:09 GMT, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> 
>> The Constitution speaks of arms, not firearms.
> 
> It speaks of firearms.

Not as such, only as a subset of arms.  Arms includes knives,
crossbows and pointy sticks.

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#244968

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2019-01-03 13:42 -0700
Message-ID<g97acsF4185U4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#244959
On 1/3/19 1:14 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
> On 1/3/2019 12:44 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On 3 Jan 2019 16:45:09 GMT, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Constitution speaks of arms, not firearms.
>>
>> It speaks of firearms.
> 
> Not as such, only as a subset of arms.  Arms includes knives,
> crossbows and pointy sticks.

But only bear arms are mentioned. They tend to be hairy. :)

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