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Re: Slaughtering concert goers.

Started by!Jones <jones@fobahor.com>
First post2018-06-01 08:00 -0500
Last post2018-06-05 18:51 -0700
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  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-01 08:00 -0500
    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 06:26 -0700
    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 21:28 -0400
      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 19:12 -0700
        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:27 -0400
          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 21:07 -0700
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:44 -0400
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:09 -0700
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:19 -0600
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 22:32 +0000
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 21:23 -0600
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 20:31 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 22:09 -0600
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 21:14 -0700
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-03 23:48 -0400
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 22:47 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 13:44 -0600
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:10 -0700
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:19 -0700
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 23:53 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 13:57 -0600
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:22 -0700
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 00:30 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-04 02:48 -0500
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 00:58 -0700
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 22:19 -0500
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 20:56 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:26 +0000
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:45 -0500
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 21:30 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 14:00 -0600
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 22:45 -0500
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:39 -0500
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:11 +0000
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 07:48 -0500
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:15 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 15:20 -0500
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:55 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 20:34 -0500
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:52 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-05 22:57 -0400
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:47 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-07 15:09 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 16:52 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-07 20:14 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 06:41 +0000
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-08 08:29 -0500
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 08:20 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:16 -0500
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-08 08:30 -0500
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 21:32 -0700
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 00:34 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 14:07 -0600
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:27 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 17:07 -0600
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 16:18 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-04 16:46 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 17:04 -0700
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:15 -0500
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 22:13 -0500
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 20:16 -0700
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:41 -0500
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:11 +0000
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-05 02:29 -0600
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 07:50 -0500
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 07:41 -0700
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-05 10:38 -0600
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 10:01 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 12:55 -0500
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 07:58 -0700
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 08:11 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 11:56 -0700
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-06-05 14:58 -0400
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 12:17 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 13:02 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:45 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 14:51 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:56 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:02 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:47 -0400
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:51 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 17:21 -0600
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 17:43 -0600
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-05 22:44 -0400
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:04 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 18:06 -0600
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:04 -0400
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:49 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:45 -0400
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:50 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:05 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 17:11 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:20 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 22:42 -0400
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:46 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 18:21 -0600
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:46 -0400
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 19:15 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:45 -0400
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 19:13 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:36 -0400
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 21:07 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:01 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 18:05 -0600
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 22:55 -0400
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:47 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 21:08 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 21:29 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 22:02 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 22:07 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 22:44 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 22:52 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-09 02:13 -0400
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 23:20 -0700
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 06:22 -0700
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 15:16 +0000
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 08:28 -0700
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 15:50 +0000
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 09:23 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:51 -0700
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 10:29 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 10:35 -0700
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 20:16 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 21:08 -0700
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-10 14:33 -0700
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 14:54 -0700
                                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 14:56 -0700
                                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 15:25 -0700
                                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 17:04 -0700
                                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 17:02 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-09 13:42 -0600
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 14:32 -0700
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-09 16:24 -0600
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 15:34 -0700
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-09 17:31 -0600
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:42 -0700
                                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-09 23:47 +0000
                                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:57 -0700
                                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-10 00:21 +0000
                                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:33 -0700
                                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-10 05:26 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 05:52 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 23:51 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-10 07:04 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-10 04:35 -0600
                                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 08:36 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 11:56 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 12:31 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 12:34 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 15:23 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 15:33 -0700
                                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-10 01:39 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 08:36 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-10 15:46 -0600
                                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 15:26 -0700
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 18:59 -0700
                                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:53 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:36 -0700
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-09 12:22 -0400
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:32 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 10:07 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-09 13:22 -0400
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Corwin Esterness <woolcross@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 10:25 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-09 13:31 -0400
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 10:35 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-09 12:00 -0600
                                                              Truth Avoidance. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-09 12:11 -0700
                                                                Re: Truth Avoidance. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 14:33 -0700
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-09 12:20 -0400
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:31 -0700
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-09 21:12 +0000
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 14:31 -0700
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-09 18:41 -0400
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 15:46 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:36 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 16:42 -0700
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:43 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 16:50 -0700
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-09 17:56 -0600
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-09 17:57 -0600
                                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Bill (not Jillians) DOW #3" <noemail@none.not> - 2018-06-09 20:06 -0400
                                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-06-12 00:11 +0100
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 17:08 -0700
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 17:11 -0700
                                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:32 -0700
                                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 23:55 -0700
                                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 08:36 +0000
                                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 11:53 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 00:16 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 12:03 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 16:20 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 16:43 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 16:59 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:06 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:33 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:05 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 18:06 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:11 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-06 04:17 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-06 19:03 -0400
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-07 05:56 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-07 22:05 -0400
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 19:15 -0600
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:05 -0400
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:49 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:45 -0400
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:46 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 17:57 -0600
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 18:03 -0600
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:04 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:23 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 17:26 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:03 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:09 -0400
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:52 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-07 15:08 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 16:51 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:18 -0500
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 08:14 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 11:55 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:07 -0400
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:50 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 17:00 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:12 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 17:56 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:07 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:38 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 17:57 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:08 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 22:45 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-06 04:18 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 16:59 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:17 -0500
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:10 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 18:01 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:09 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 20:36 -0500
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:51 -0700

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#171758

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-05 19:15 -0700
Message-ID<fnoue6FbpqgU39@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#171754
On 6/5/18 6:46 PM, Scout wrote:
> 
> 
> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
> news:fnompoFbpqgU25@mid.individual.net...
>> On 6/5/18 3:50 PM, % wrote:
>>> On 2018-06-05 3:45 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>>>> news:bb3m5g.j3i.17.1@news.alt.net...
>>>>> On 2018-06-05 2:45 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/5/18 1:02 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>>>> In news:fno5uhFbpqgU8@mid.individual.net,
>>>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/5/18 11:56 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:11:42 -0700, Snit
>>>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Even now the NRA is saying schools should have gun-carrying
>>>>>>>>>> teachers!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here's the liberal alternative:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pennsylvania-school-district-gives-teachers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's how dumb the leftists are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What a stupid idea... but much, much better than putting GUNS in 
>>>>>>>> class
>>>>>>>> rooms. THAT idea is FAR worse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If a crazed gunman bursts into the room in which you are trapped, 
>>>>>>> would you rather have a baseball
>>>>>>> bat or a gun?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would rather NOT have more guns in the classroom given how it 
>>>>>> will surely lead to more kids being shot. You can twist that to 
>>>>>> say you want a gun if someone else has one, but when your 
>>>>>> "solution" is likely to lead to more harm than good it is not a 
>>>>>> good solution.
>>>>>>
>>>>> no one needs a gun unless they are going to kill something
>>>>
>>>> So self defense only works if you kill something?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> why do you need to defend yourself what have you done wrong
>>
>> There are cases where you need to defend yourself. But notice how 
>> Scout jumps repeatedly to those very rare cases and ignores the bigger 
>> picture. He is twisting context and meaning.
> 
> Violent crime is rare?

It is less common than instances of NOT having violent crime. 
Absolutely. And the numbers are going down.

Does not mean the numbers are not concerning, but in looking at the big 
picture picking just times when a violent crime is happening to someone 
is very clearly cherry picking to push your agenda.

> Oh, well in that case we don't need gun control then, since according to 
> you violent crime is so rare that we need not concern ourselves with it.

Another fine example of lying about my views... and of pushing an absurd 
idea that crime is the only health issue around guns.

I would prefer if you would be honest.


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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
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#171753

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-06-05 21:45 -0400
Message-ID<pf7f00$g93$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#171632

"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:bb3pl0.bua.17.3@news.alt.net...
> On 2018-06-05 3:45 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>> news:bb3m5g.j3i.17.1@news.alt.net...
>>> On 2018-06-05 2:45 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>> On 6/5/18 1:02 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>> In news:fno5uhFbpqgU8@mid.individual.net,
>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/5/18 11:56 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:11:42 -0700, Snit
>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even now the NRA is saying schools should have gun-carrying
>>>>>>>> teachers!
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the liberal alternative:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pennsylvania-school-district-gives-teachers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986
>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's how dumb the leftists are.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What a stupid idea... but much, much better than putting GUNS in 
>>>>>> class
>>>>>> rooms. THAT idea is FAR worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> If a crazed gunman bursts into the room in which you are trapped, 
>>>>> would you rather have a baseball
>>>>> bat or a gun?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I would rather NOT have more guns in the classroom given how it will 
>>>> surely lead to more kids being shot. You can twist that to say you want 
>>>> a gun if someone else has one, but when your "solution" is likely to 
>>>> lead to more harm than good it is not a good solution.
>>>>
>>> no one needs a gun unless they are going to kill something
>>
>> So self defense only works if you kill something?
>>
>>
>>
> why do you need to defend yourself what have you done wrong

Apparently, according to you, the victims of violent crime deserve what 
happened to them because according to you they did something wrong.

Meanwhile, I note that, in general, the victims of violent crime are guilty 
of one thing only being alive.
 

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#171757

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-05 19:13 -0700
Message-ID<fnouaiFrfodU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#171753
On 6/5/18 6:45 PM, Scout wrote:
> 
> 
> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:bb3pl0.bua.17.3@news.alt.net...
>> On 2018-06-05 3:45 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>>> news:bb3m5g.j3i.17.1@news.alt.net...
>>>> On 2018-06-05 2:45 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On 6/5/18 1:02 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>>> In news:fno5uhFbpqgU8@mid.individual.net,
>>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/5/18 11:56 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:11:42 -0700, Snit
>>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Even now the NRA is saying schools should have gun-carrying
>>>>>>>>> teachers!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's the liberal alternative:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pennsylvania-school-district-gives-teachers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's how dumb the leftists are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What a stupid idea... but much, much better than putting GUNS in 
>>>>>>> class
>>>>>>> rooms. THAT idea is FAR worse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If a crazed gunman bursts into the room in which you are trapped, 
>>>>>> would you rather have a baseball
>>>>>> bat or a gun?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I would rather NOT have more guns in the classroom given how it 
>>>>> will surely lead to more kids being shot. You can twist that to say 
>>>>> you want a gun if someone else has one, but when your "solution" is 
>>>>> likely to lead to more harm than good it is not a good solution.
>>>>>
>>>> no one needs a gun unless they are going to kill something
>>>
>>> So self defense only works if you kill something?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> why do you need to defend yourself what have you done wrong
> 
> Apparently, according to you, the victims of violent crime deserve what 
> happened to them because according to you they did something wrong.

You recently asked for examples of where you lie about what I say. GREAT 
EXAMPLE!

Thanks, I suppose.

> Meanwhile, I note that, in general, the victims of violent crime are 
> guilty of one thing only being alive.

Why do you associate guilt with that?


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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#171773

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-06-05 23:36 -0400
Message-ID<pf7ksc$acu$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#171757

"Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
news:fnouaiFrfodU2@mid.individual.net...
> On 6/5/18 6:45 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>> news:bb3pl0.bua.17.3@news.alt.net...
>>> On 2018-06-05 3:45 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>>>> news:bb3m5g.j3i.17.1@news.alt.net...
>>>>> On 2018-06-05 2:45 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/5/18 1:02 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>>>> In news:fno5uhFbpqgU8@mid.individual.net,
>>>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/5/18 11:56 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:11:42 -0700, Snit
>>>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Even now the NRA is saying schools should have gun-carrying
>>>>>>>>>> teachers!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here's the liberal alternative:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pennsylvania-school-district-gives-teachers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's how dumb the leftists are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What a stupid idea... but much, much better than putting GUNS in 
>>>>>>>> class
>>>>>>>> rooms. THAT idea is FAR worse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If a crazed gunman bursts into the room in which you are trapped, 
>>>>>>> would you rather have a baseball
>>>>>>> bat or a gun?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would rather NOT have more guns in the classroom given how it will 
>>>>>> surely lead to more kids being shot. You can twist that to say you 
>>>>>> want a gun if someone else has one, but when your "solution" is 
>>>>>> likely to lead to more harm than good it is not a good solution.
>>>>>>
>>>>> no one needs a gun unless they are going to kill something
>>>>
>>>> So self defense only works if you kill something?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> why do you need to defend yourself what have you done wrong
>>
>> Apparently, according to you, the victims of violent crime deserve what 
>> happened to them because according to you they did something wrong.
>
> You recently asked for examples of where you lie about what I say. GREAT 
> EXAMPLE!

Please note that the program "Snit" now claims to also be the poster "%"


 

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#171790

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-05 21:07 -0700
Message-ID<fnp4vpFbpqgU46@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#171773
On 6/5/18 8:36 PM, Scout wrote:
> 
> 
> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
> news:fnouaiFrfodU2@mid.individual.net...
>> On 6/5/18 6:45 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>>> news:bb3pl0.bua.17.3@news.alt.net...
>>>> On 2018-06-05 3:45 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>>>>> news:bb3m5g.j3i.17.1@news.alt.net...
>>>>>> On 2018-06-05 2:45 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/5/18 1:02 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>>>>> In news:fno5uhFbpqgU8@mid.individual.net,
>>>>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/18 11:56 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:11:42 -0700, Snit
>>>>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Even now the NRA is saying schools should have gun-carrying
>>>>>>>>>>> teachers!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here's the liberal alternative:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pennsylvania-school-district-gives-teachers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's how dumb the leftists are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What a stupid idea... but much, much better than putting GUNS 
>>>>>>>>> in class
>>>>>>>>> rooms. THAT idea is FAR worse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If a crazed gunman bursts into the room in which you are 
>>>>>>>> trapped, would you rather have a baseball
>>>>>>>> bat or a gun?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would rather NOT have more guns in the classroom given how it 
>>>>>>> will surely lead to more kids being shot. You can twist that to 
>>>>>>> say you want a gun if someone else has one, but when your 
>>>>>>> "solution" is likely to lead to more harm than good it is not a 
>>>>>>> good solution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> no one needs a gun unless they are going to kill something
>>>>>
>>>>> So self defense only works if you kill something?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> why do you need to defend yourself what have you done wrong
>>>
>>> Apparently, according to you, the victims of violent crime deserve 
>>> what happened to them because according to you they did something wrong.
>>
>> You recently asked for examples of where you lie about what I say. 
>> GREAT EXAMPLE!
> 
> Please note that the program "Snit" now claims to also be the poster "%"

Ah, my mistake: you lied about someone else's comments in addition to 
lying about mine.

-- 
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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#171698

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-05 17:01 -0700
Message-ID<fnomj9FbpqgU24@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#171630
On 6/5/18 3:45 PM, Scout wrote:
> 
> 
> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:bb3m5g.j3i.17.1@news.alt.net...
>> On 2018-06-05 2:45 PM, Snit wrote:
>>> On 6/5/18 1:02 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>>> In news:fno5uhFbpqgU8@mid.individual.net,
>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/5/18 11:56 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:11:42 -0700, Snit
>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Even now the NRA is saying schools should have gun-carrying
>>>>>>> teachers!
>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the liberal alternative:
>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pennsylvania-school-district-gives-teachers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986 
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> That's how dumb the leftists are.
>>>>
>>>>> What a stupid idea... but much, much better than putting GUNS in class
>>>>> rooms. THAT idea is FAR worse.
>>>>
>>>> If a crazed gunman bursts into the room in which you are trapped, 
>>>> would you rather have a baseball
>>>> bat or a gun?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I would rather NOT have more guns in the classroom given how it will 
>>> surely lead to more kids being shot. You can twist that to say you 
>>> want a gun if someone else has one, but when your "solution" is 
>>> likely to lead to more harm than good it is not a good solution.
>>>
>> no one needs a gun unless they are going to kill something
> 
> So self defense only works if you kill something?

See: another twist from you. You repeatedly do that. Then you ask us to 
accept YOUR view of the second amendment over that of the scholars and 
the common historic understanding of it (your view was not put into law 
until 2008, and then by judges and not legislatures).

Weird.


-- 
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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#171702

FromSkeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid>
Date2018-06-05 18:05 -0600
Message-ID<999ehd5a1frnhikjqsqd2v7hupc1i707a1@4ax.com>
In reply to#171698
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:01:45 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
wrote:

>On 6/5/18 3:45 PM, Scout wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>> news:bb3m5g.j3i.17.1@news.alt.net...
>>> On 2018-06-05 2:45 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>> On 6/5/18 1:02 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>> In news:fno5uhFbpqgU8@mid.individual.net,
>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/5/18 11:56 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:11:42 -0700, Snit
>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even now the NRA is saying schools should have gun-carrying
>>>>>>>> teachers!
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the liberal alternative:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pennsylvania-school-district-gives-teachers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's how dumb the leftists are.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What a stupid idea... but much, much better than putting GUNS in class
>>>>>> rooms. THAT idea is FAR worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> If a crazed gunman bursts into the room in which you are trapped, 
>>>>> would you rather have a baseball
>>>>> bat or a gun?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I would rather NOT have more guns in the classroom given how it will 
>>>> surely lead to more kids being shot. You can twist that to say you 
>>>> want a gun if someone else has one, but when your "solution" is 
>>>> likely to lead to more harm than good it is not a good solution.
>>>>
>>> no one needs a gun unless they are going to kill something
>> 
>> So self defense only works if you kill something?
>
>See: another twist from you. You repeatedly do that. Then you ask us to 
>accept YOUR view of the second amendment over that of the scholars and 
>the common historic understanding of it (your view was not put into law 
>until 2008, and then by judges and not legislatures).
>
>Weird.


First <TINW> <TINU>

When will you respond with a real answer?

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#171762

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-06-05 22:55 -0400
Message-ID<pf7igk$vlv$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#171698

"Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
news:fnomj9FbpqgU24@mid.individual.net...
> On 6/5/18 3:45 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>> news:bb3m5g.j3i.17.1@news.alt.net...
>>> On 2018-06-05 2:45 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>> On 6/5/18 1:02 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>> In news:fno5uhFbpqgU8@mid.individual.net,
>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/5/18 11:56 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:11:42 -0700, Snit
>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even now the NRA is saying schools should have gun-carrying
>>>>>>>> teachers!
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the liberal alternative:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pennsylvania-school-district-gives-teachers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986
>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's how dumb the leftists are.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What a stupid idea... but much, much better than putting GUNS in 
>>>>>> class
>>>>>> rooms. THAT idea is FAR worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> If a crazed gunman bursts into the room in which you are trapped, 
>>>>> would you rather have a baseball
>>>>> bat or a gun?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I would rather NOT have more guns in the classroom given how it will 
>>>> surely lead to more kids being shot. You can twist that to say you want 
>>>> a gun if someone else has one, but when your "solution" is likely to 
>>>> lead to more harm than good it is not a good solution.
>>>>
>>> no one needs a gun unless they are going to kill something
>>
>> So self defense only works if you kill something?
>
> See: another twist from you. You repeatedly do that.

Do what? Accept what he said at face value?

Are you saying he didn't know what he was talking about?

>Then you ask us to accept YOUR view of the second amendment over that of 
>the scholars and the common historic understanding of it (your view was not 
>put into law until 2008, and then by judges and not legislatures).

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html

Sorry, but as SCOTUS shows the court has consistently held the 2nd protects 
an individual right.

After all, if the 2nd didn't apply to individuals...then why wasn't Miller's 
defense rejected by SCOTUS since in your interpretation an individual such 
as Miller wouldn't have the standing to claim the 2nd Amendment in his 
defense. However, not only did Miller have standing to use the 2nd Amendment 
the court ruled the case in a manner that the 2nd does apply to individuals. 
Miller was decided in 1939...that nearly SEVEN DECADES before you claim that 
an 'individual interpretation' was adopted.

No, sir, you clearly have not researched the issues, nor have you examined 
the multitude of cites which the Court provided in Heller showing a regular 
and consistent interpretation that the 2nd does apply to individuals.

Interesting how you wish to assert you know all there is, but you apparently 
utterly lack even the minimal knowledge that would indicate your claim about 
the Heller case is nonsense. The individual interpretation has ALWAYS been 
put into law. Now the Court often stated that the 2nd didn't apply to the 
states (prior to the 14th Amendment) or that the 2nd didn't apply because it 
hadn't yet been incorporated by SCOTUS, but that's a far different manner 
than saying it never applied to individuals until 2008.

"The signification attributed to the term Militia appears from the debates 
in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies and States, and 
the writings of approved commentators. These show plainly enough that the 
Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the 
common defense. "A body of citizens enrolled for military discipline." And 
further, that ordinarily, when called for service these men were expected to 
appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at 
the time."

307 U.S. 174

United States v. Miller (No. 696)


Clearly the court is stating that individuals have the right to keep and 
bear arms, otherwise, how could they appear bearing arms they supplied????

So delude yourself if you like, but don't think for a moment the facts are 
on your side, because they aren't.

I've provided enough cites to prove that, and now it's a question of whether 
you have the honesty to look at the evidence that refutes your position.
 

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#171775

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-05 20:47 -0700
Message-ID<fnp3poFbpqgU41@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#171762
On 6/5/18 7:55 PM, Scout wrote:
> 
> 
> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
> news:fnomj9FbpqgU24@mid.individual.net...
>> On 6/5/18 3:45 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>>> news:bb3m5g.j3i.17.1@news.alt.net...
>>>> On 2018-06-05 2:45 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On 6/5/18 1:02 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>>> In news:fno5uhFbpqgU8@mid.individual.net,
>>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/5/18 11:56 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:11:42 -0700, Snit
>>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Even now the NRA is saying schools should have gun-carrying
>>>>>>>>> teachers!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's the liberal alternative:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pennsylvania-school-district-gives-teachers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's how dumb the leftists are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What a stupid idea... but much, much better than putting GUNS in 
>>>>>>> class
>>>>>>> rooms. THAT idea is FAR worse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If a crazed gunman bursts into the room in which you are trapped, 
>>>>>> would you rather have a baseball
>>>>>> bat or a gun?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I would rather NOT have more guns in the classroom given how it 
>>>>> will surely lead to more kids being shot. You can twist that to say 
>>>>> you want a gun if someone else has one, but when your "solution" is 
>>>>> likely to lead to more harm than good it is not a good solution.
>>>>>
>>>> no one needs a gun unless they are going to kill something
>>>
>>> So self defense only works if you kill something?
>>
>> See: another twist from you. You repeatedly do that.
> 
> Do what? Accept what he said at face value?
> 
> Are you saying he didn't know what he was talking about?
> 
>> Then you ask us to accept YOUR view of the second amendment over that 
>> of the scholars and the common historic understanding of it (your view 
>> was not put into law until 2008, and then by judges and not 
>> legislatures).
> 
> https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html
> 
> Sorry, but as SCOTUS shows the court has consistently held the 2nd 
> protects an individual right.
> 
> After all, if the 2nd didn't apply to individuals...then why wasn't 
> Miller's defense rejected by SCOTUS since in your interpretation an 
> individual such as Miller wouldn't have the standing to claim the 2nd 
> Amendment in his defense. However, not only did Miller have standing to 
> use the 2nd Amendment the court ruled the case in a manner that the 2nd 
> does apply to individuals. Miller was decided in 1939...that nearly 
> SEVEN DECADES before you claim that an 'individual interpretation' was 
> adopted.
> 
> No, sir, you clearly have not researched the issues, nor have you 
> examined the multitude of cites which the Court provided in Heller 
> showing a regular and consistent interpretation that the 2nd does apply 
> to individuals.
> 
> Interesting how you wish to assert you know all there is, but you 
> apparently utterly lack even the minimal knowledge that would indicate 
> your claim about the Heller case is nonsense. The individual 
> interpretation has ALWAYS been put into law. Now the Court often stated 
> that the 2nd didn't apply to the states (prior to the 14th Amendment) or 
> that the 2nd didn't apply because it hadn't yet been incorporated by 
> SCOTUS, but that's a far different manner than saying it never applied 
> to individuals until 2008.
> 
> "The signification attributed to the term Militia appears from the 
> debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies and 
> States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show plainly 
> enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting 
> in concert for the common defense. "A body of citizens enrolled for 
> military discipline." And further, that ordinarily, when called for 
> service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by 
> themselves and of the kind in common use at the time."
> 
> 307 U.S. 174
> 
> United States v. Miller (No. 696)
> 
> 
> Clearly the court is stating that individuals have the right to keep and 
> bear arms, otherwise, how could they appear bearing arms they supplied????
> 
> So delude yourself if you like, but don't think for a moment the facts 
> are on your side, because they aren't.
> 
> I've provided enough cites to prove that, and now it's a question of 
> whether you have the honesty to look at the evidence that refutes your 
> position.
> 
> 

What part of the above do you think has not been beaten to death and 
refuted?

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#172547

From"max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
Date2018-06-08 21:08 -0700
Message-ID<pffk0k$bop$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#171775
In news:fnp3poFbpqgU41@mid.individual.net,
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:

> On 6/5/18 7:55 PM, Scout wrote:
>> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
>> news:fnomj9FbpqgU24@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 6/5/18 3:45 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:bb3m5g.j3i.17.1@news.alt.net...
>>>>> On 2018-06-05 2:45 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/5/18 1:02 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>>>> In news:fno5uhFbpqgU8@mid.individual.net,
>>>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>>>>>>> On 6/5/18 11:56 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:11:42 -0700, Snit
>>>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> Even now the NRA is saying schools should have gun-carrying
>>>>>>>>>> teachers!

>>>>>>>>> Here's the liberal alternative:

>>>>>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pennsylvania-school-district-gives-teachers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986

>>>>>>>>> That's how dumb the leftists are.

>>>>>>>> What a stupid idea... but much, much better than putting GUNS
>>>>>>>> in class rooms. THAT idea is FAR worse.

>>>>>>> If a crazed gunman bursts into the room in which you are
>>>>>>> trapped, would you rather have a baseball bat or a gun?

>>>>>> I would rather NOT have more guns in the classroom given how it
>>>>>> will surely lead to more kids being shot. You can twist that to
>>>>>> say you want a gun if someone else has one, but when your
>>>>>> "solution" is likely to lead to more harm than good it is not a
>>>>>> good solution.

>>>>> no one needs a gun unless they are going to kill something

>>>> So self defense only works if you kill something?

>>> See: another twist from you. You repeatedly do that.

>> Do what? Accept what he said at face value?

>> Are you saying he didn't know what he was talking about?

>>> Then you ask us to accept YOUR view of the second amendment over
>>> that of the scholars and the common historic understanding of it
>>> (your view was not put into law until 2008, and then by judges and
>>> not legislatures).

>> https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html

>> Sorry, but as SCOTUS shows the court has consistently held the 2nd
>> protects an individual right.

>> After all, if the 2nd didn't apply to individuals...then why wasn't
>> Miller's defense rejected by SCOTUS since in your interpretation an
>> individual such as Miller wouldn't have the standing to claim the 2nd
>> Amendment in his defense. However, not only did Miller have standing
>> to use the 2nd Amendment the court ruled the case in a manner that
>> the 2nd does apply to individuals. Miller was decided in 1939...that nearly
>> SEVEN DECADES before you claim that an 'individual interpretation'
>> was adopted.

>> No, sir, you clearly have not researched the issues, nor have you
>> examined the multitude of cites which the Court provided in Heller
>> showing a regular and consistent interpretation that the 2nd does
>> apply to individuals.

>> Interesting how you wish to assert you know all there is, but you
>> apparently utterly lack even the minimal knowledge that would
>> indicate your claim about the Heller case is nonsense. The individual
>> interpretation has ALWAYS been put into law. Now the Court often
>> stated that the 2nd didn't apply to the states (prior to the 14th
>> Amendment) or that the 2nd didn't apply because it hadn't yet been
>> incorporated by SCOTUS, but that's a far different manner than
>> saying it never applied to individuals until 2008.

>> "The signification attributed to the term Militia appears from the
>> debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies
>> and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show
>> plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically
>> capable of acting in concert for the common defense. "A body of
>> citizens enrolled for military discipline." And further, that
>> ordinarily, when called for service these men were expected to
>> appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common
>> use at the time."

>> 307 U.S. 174

>> United States v. Miller (No. 696)

>> Clearly the court is stating that individuals have the right to keep
>> and bear arms, otherwise, how could they appear bearing arms they
>> supplied????

>> So delude yourself if you like, but don't think for a moment the
>> facts are on your side, because they aren't.

>> I've provided enough cites to prove that, and now it's a question of
>> whether you have the honesty to look at the evidence that refutes
>> your position.

> What part of the above do you think has not been beaten to death and
> refuted?

All of it... because you can't. 

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#172549

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-08 21:29 -0700
Message-ID<fo13cpFdgbuU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#172547
On 6/8/18 9:08 PM, max headroom wrote:
> In news:fnp3poFbpqgU41@mid.individual.net,
> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
> 
>> On 6/5/18 7:55 PM, Scout wrote:
>>> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fnomj9FbpqgU24@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 6/5/18 3:45 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:bb3m5g.j3i.17.1@news.alt.net...
>>>>>> On 2018-06-05 2:45 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/5/18 1:02 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>>>>> In news:fno5uhFbpqgU8@mid.individual.net,
>>>>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/18 11:56 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:11:42 -0700, Snit
>>>>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Even now the NRA is saying schools should have gun-carrying
>>>>>>>>>>> teachers!
> 
>>>>>>>>>> Here's the liberal alternative:
> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pennsylvania-school-district-gives-teachers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986
> 
>>>>>>>>>> That's how dumb the leftists are.
> 
>>>>>>>>> What a stupid idea... but much, much better than putting GUNS
>>>>>>>>> in class rooms. THAT idea is FAR worse.
> 
>>>>>>>> If a crazed gunman bursts into the room in which you are
>>>>>>>> trapped, would you rather have a baseball bat or a gun?
> 
>>>>>>> I would rather NOT have more guns in the classroom given how it
>>>>>>> will surely lead to more kids being shot. You can twist that to
>>>>>>> say you want a gun if someone else has one, but when your
>>>>>>> "solution" is likely to lead to more harm than good it is not a
>>>>>>> good solution.
> 
>>>>>> no one needs a gun unless they are going to kill something
> 
>>>>> So self defense only works if you kill something?
> 
>>>> See: another twist from you. You repeatedly do that.
> 
>>> Do what? Accept what he said at face value?
> 
>>> Are you saying he didn't know what he was talking about?
> 
>>>> Then you ask us to accept YOUR view of the second amendment over
>>>> that of the scholars and the common historic understanding of it
>>>> (your view was not put into law until 2008, and then by judges and
>>>> not legislatures).
> 
>>> https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html
> 
>>> Sorry, but as SCOTUS shows the court has consistently held the 2nd
>>> protects an individual right.
> 
>>> After all, if the 2nd didn't apply to individuals...then why wasn't
>>> Miller's defense rejected by SCOTUS since in your interpretation an
>>> individual such as Miller wouldn't have the standing to claim the 2nd
>>> Amendment in his defense. However, not only did Miller have standing
>>> to use the 2nd Amendment the court ruled the case in a manner that
>>> the 2nd does apply to individuals. Miller was decided in 1939...that nearly
>>> SEVEN DECADES before you claim that an 'individual interpretation'
>>> was adopted.
> 
>>> No, sir, you clearly have not researched the issues, nor have you
>>> examined the multitude of cites which the Court provided in Heller
>>> showing a regular and consistent interpretation that the 2nd does
>>> apply to individuals.
> 
>>> Interesting how you wish to assert you know all there is, but you
>>> apparently utterly lack even the minimal knowledge that would
>>> indicate your claim about the Heller case is nonsense. The individual
>>> interpretation has ALWAYS been put into law. Now the Court often
>>> stated that the 2nd didn't apply to the states (prior to the 14th
>>> Amendment) or that the 2nd didn't apply because it hadn't yet been
>>> incorporated by SCOTUS, but that's a far different manner than
>>> saying it never applied to individuals until 2008.
> 
>>> "The signification attributed to the term Militia appears from the
>>> debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies
>>> and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show
>>> plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically
>>> capable of acting in concert for the common defense. "A body of
>>> citizens enrolled for military discipline." And further, that
>>> ordinarily, when called for service these men were expected to
>>> appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common
>>> use at the time."
> 
>>> 307 U.S. 174
> 
>>> United States v. Miller (No. 696)
> 
>>> Clearly the court is stating that individuals have the right to keep
>>> and bear arms, otherwise, how could they appear bearing arms they
>>> supplied????
> 
>>> So delude yourself if you like, but don't think for a moment the
>>> facts are on your side, because they aren't.
> 
>>> I've provided enough cites to prove that, and now it's a question of
>>> whether you have the honesty to look at the evidence that refutes
>>> your position.
> 
>> What part of the above do you think has not been beaten to death and
>> refuted?
> 
> All of it... because you can't.
> 
> 
Pick your favorite part. Or where you think you make the best point. It 
gets tiring rehashing the same long list of things.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#172554

From"max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
Date2018-06-08 22:02 -0700
Message-ID<pffn1f$phk$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#172549
In news:fo13cpFdgbuU1@mid.individual.net,
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:

> On 6/8/18 9:08 PM, max headroom wrote:
>> In news:fnp3poFbpqgU41@mid.individual.net,
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>> On 6/5/18 7:55 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:fnomj9FbpqgU24@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On 6/5/18 3:45 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>> "%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:bb3m5g.j3i.17.1@news.alt.net...
>>>>>>> On 2018-06-05 2:45 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/5/18 1:02 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In news:fno5uhFbpqgU8@mid.individual.net,
>>>>>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/18 11:56 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:11:42 -0700, Snit
>>>>>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> Even now the NRA is saying schools should have gun-carrying
>>>>>>>>>>>> teachers!

>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the liberal alternative:

>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pennsylvania-school-district-gives-teachers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986

>>>>>>>>>>> That's how dumb the leftists are.

>>>>>>>>>> What a stupid idea... but much, much better than putting GUNS
>>>>>>>>>> in class rooms. THAT idea is FAR worse.

>>>>>>>>> If a crazed gunman bursts into the room in which you are
>>>>>>>>> trapped, would you rather have a baseball bat or a gun?

>>>>>>>> I would rather NOT have more guns in the classroom given how it
>>>>>>>> will surely lead to more kids being shot. You can twist that to
>>>>>>>> say you want a gun if someone else has one, but when your
>>>>>>>> "solution" is likely to lead to more harm than good it is not a
>>>>>>>> good solution.

>>>>>>> no one needs a gun unless they are going to kill something

>>>>>> So self defense only works if you kill something?

>>>>> See: another twist from you. You repeatedly do that.

>>>> Do what? Accept what he said at face value?

>>>> Are you saying he didn't know what he was talking about?

>>>>> Then you ask us to accept YOUR view of the second amendment over
>>>>> that of the scholars and the common historic understanding of it
>>>>> (your view was not put into law until 2008, and then by judges and
>>>>> not legislatures).

>>>> https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html

>>>> Sorry, but as SCOTUS shows the court has consistently held the 2nd
>>>> protects an individual right.

>>>> After all, if the 2nd didn't apply to individuals...then why wasn't
>>>> Miller's defense rejected by SCOTUS since in your interpretation an
>>>> individual such as Miller wouldn't have the standing to claim the
>>>> 2nd Amendment in his defense. However, not only did Miller have
>>>> standing to use the 2nd Amendment the court ruled the case in a manner that
>>>> the 2nd does apply to individuals. Miller was decided in
>>>> 1939...that nearly SEVEN DECADES before you claim that an
>>>> 'individual interpretation' was adopted.

>>>> No, sir, you clearly have not researched the issues, nor have you
>>>> examined the multitude of cites which the Court provided in Heller
>>>> showing a regular and consistent interpretation that the 2nd does
>>>> apply to individuals.

>>>> Interesting how you wish to assert you know all there is, but you
>>>> apparently utterly lack even the minimal knowledge that would
>>>> indicate your claim about the Heller case is nonsense. The
>>>> individual interpretation has ALWAYS been put into law. Now the
>>>> Court often stated that the 2nd didn't apply to the states (prior to the 14th
>>>> Amendment) or that the 2nd didn't apply because it hadn't yet been
>>>> incorporated by SCOTUS, but that's a far different manner than
>>>> saying it never applied to individuals until 2008.

>>>> "The signification attributed to the term Militia appears from the
>>>> debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies
>>>> and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show
>>>> plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically
>>>> capable of acting in concert for the common defense. "A body of
>>>> citizens enrolled for military discipline." And further, that
>>>> ordinarily, when called for service these men were expected to
>>>> appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in
>>>> common use at the time."

>>>> 307 U.S. 174

>>>> United States v. Miller (No. 696)

>>>> Clearly the court is stating that individuals have the right to keep
>>>> and bear arms, otherwise, how could they appear bearing arms they
>>>> supplied????

>>>> So delude yourself if you like, but don't think for a moment the
>>>> facts are on your side, because they aren't.

>>>> I've provided enough cites to prove that, and now it's a question
>>>> of whether you have the honesty to look at the evidence that
>>>> refutes your position.

>>> What part of the above do you think has not been beaten to death and
>>> refuted?

>> All of it... because you can't.

> Pick your favorite part. Or where you think you make the best point.
> It gets tiring rehashing the same long list of things.

My favorite part was when Scout blew your "new interpretation in 2008" lie out of the water! 

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#172556

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-08 22:07 -0700
Message-ID<fo15klFcgkoU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#172554
On 6/8/18 10:02 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>> All of it... because you can't.
>> Pick your favorite part. Or where you think you make the best point.
>> It gets tiring rehashing the same long list of things.
> My favorite part was when Scout blew your "new interpretation in 2008" lie out of the water!

The Heller case is pretty easy to reference, and is the first time the 
new interpretation was offered by the SCOTUS. Remember:

* The meaning / usage  of "bear arms" (pretty much
   exclusively for "war, soldiering or organized, armed
   action".

* Their were laws restricting firearms at the start of
   the country which were never, as far as I can find,
   challenged on second amendment grounds. This makes it
   a hard sale to say they were against the second
   amendment.

* Most (though not all) relevant scholars have supported
   the states rights view.

* We should not allow the NRA, a group that benefits from
   mass shootings and terrorism, to largely control our gun
   laws.

* We clearly do have, have had, and should have, limits on
   arms... what one could call "infringements".

* We should do more research on gun deaths and injuries, as
   we do with vehicles, pools, food, and pretty much everything
   else that is tied to death and injuries.

* I back evidence-based policies.

All of that is very well supported.



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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#172558

From"max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
Date2018-06-08 22:44 -0700
Message-ID<pffpgb$5bm$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#172556
In news:fo15klFcgkoU3@mid.individual.net,
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:

> On 6/8/18 10:02 PM, max headroom wrote:

>>>> All of it... because you can't.

>>> Pick your favorite part. Or where you think you make the best point.
>>> It gets tiring rehashing the same long list of things.

>> My favorite part was when Scout blew your "new interpretation in
>> 2008" lie out of the water!

> The Heller case is pretty easy to reference, and is the first time the
> new interpretation was offered by the SCOTUS....

Yeah, that's the one! 

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#172560

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-08 22:52 -0700
Message-ID<fo1899FcgkoU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#172558
On 6/8/18 10:44 PM, max headroom wrote:
> In news:fo15klFcgkoU3@mid.individual.net,
> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
> 
>> On 6/8/18 10:02 PM, max headroom wrote:
> 
>>>>> All of it... because you can't.
> 
>>>> Pick your favorite part. Or where you think you make the best point.
>>>> It gets tiring rehashing the same long list of things.
> 
>>> My favorite part was when Scout blew your "new interpretation in
>>> 2008" lie out of the water!
> 
>> The Heller case is pretty easy to reference, and is the first time the
>> new interpretation was offered by the SCOTUS....
> 
> Yeah, that's the one!
> 
> 
So you have nothing. Fair enough. Does not mean you have to agree... 
after all you clearly view things far more though the eyes of emotion 
than I do. No harm done. No offense taken.

But I suspect you will want to push insults. I am not interested in 
that. We disagree. So what? Maybe at some point you will even find 
evidence to go against what I say... and if you do present it. I am open 
to it.

The closest that has been done is pointing to the early laws being state 
and how federal amendments have a different impact. THAT actually showed 
some logic and reason and effort. Other than that there has not been 
much. So be it.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#172561

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-06-09 02:13 -0400
Message-ID<pffrg5$ee9$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#172558

"max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message 
news:pffpgb$5bm$3@dont-email.me...
> In news:fo15klFcgkoU3@mid.individual.net,
> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>
>> On 6/8/18 10:02 PM, max headroom wrote:
>
>>>>> All of it... because you can't.
>
>>>> Pick your favorite part. Or where you think you make the best point.
>>>> It gets tiring rehashing the same long list of things.
>
>>> My favorite part was when Scout blew your "new interpretation in
>>> 2008" lie out of the water!
>
>> The Heller case is pretty easy to reference, and is the first time the
>> new interpretation was offered by the SCOTUS....
>
> Yeah, that's the one!

Have you noticed how the responses have little to actually do with what is 
actually being replied to other than referencing a few specific keywords.

But have fun with that programmed merry-go-round.

I smacked down it's lies for the lurkers, if any, and moved on.
 

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#172562

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-08 23:20 -0700
Message-ID<fo19ubFehauU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#172561
On 6/8/18 11:13 PM, Scout wrote:
> 
> 
> "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message 
> news:pffpgb$5bm$3@dont-email.me...
>> In news:fo15klFcgkoU3@mid.individual.net,
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>
>>> On 6/8/18 10:02 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>
>>>>>> All of it... because you can't.
>>
>>>>> Pick your favorite part. Or where you think you make the best point.
>>>>> It gets tiring rehashing the same long list of things.
>>
>>>> My favorite part was when Scout blew your "new interpretation in
>>>> 2008" lie out of the water!
>>
>>> The Heller case is pretty easy to reference, and is the first time the
>>> new interpretation was offered by the SCOTUS....
>>
>> Yeah, that's the one!
> 
> Have you noticed how the responses have little to actually do with what 
> is actually being replied to other than referencing a few specific 
> keywords.
> 
> But have fun with that programmed merry-go-round.
> 
> I smacked down it's lies for the lurkers, if any, and moved on.

At this point there is no real discussion. I was asked to back the 
following points. I did. There was no real counter other than, perhaps, 
the second point (but there were and ARE laws now that even shoot down 
that effort at a rebuttal).

I am open to comments about the topic. Not interested in nonsense insults.

* The meaning / usage  of "bear arms" (pretty much
   exclusively for "war, soldiering or organized, armed
   action").

* Their were laws restricting firearms at the start of
   the country which were never, as far as I can find,
   challenged on second amendment grounds. This makes it
   a hard sale to say they were against the second
   amendment.

* Most (though not all) relevant scholars have supported
   the states rights view.

* We should not allow the NRA, a group that benefits from
   mass shootings and terrorism, to largely control our gun
   laws.

* We clearly do have, have had, and should have, limits on
   arms... what one could call "infringements".

* We should do more research on gun deaths and injuries, as
   we do with vehicles, pools, food, and pretty much everything
   else that is tied to death and injuries.

* I back evidence-based policies.



-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#172576

From"max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
Date2018-06-09 06:22 -0700
Message-ID<pfgl26$tr3$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#172562
In news:fo19ubFehauU1@mid.individual.net,
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:

> On 6/8/18 11:13 PM, Scout wrote:
>> "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message
>> news:pffpgb$5bm$3@dont-email.me...
>>> In news:fo15klFcgkoU3@mid.individual.net,
>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>>> On 6/8/18 10:02 PM, max headroom wrote:

>>>>>>> All of it... because you can't.

>>>>>> Pick your favorite part. Or where you think you make the best
>>>>>> point. It gets tiring rehashing the same long list of things.

>>>>> My favorite part was when Scout blew your "new interpretation in
>>>>> 2008" lie out of the water!

>>>> The Heller case is pretty easy to reference, and is the first time
>>>> the new interpretation was offered by the SCOTUS....

>>> Yeah, that's the one!

>> Have you noticed how the responses have little to actually do with
>> what is actually being replied to other than referencing a few
>> specific keywords.

>> But have fun with that programmed merry-go-round.

>> I smacked down it's lies for the lurkers, if any, and moved on.

> At this point there is no real discussion. I was asked to back the
> following points. I did. There was no real counter ...

That you would acknowledge, much less try to refute.

You are correct, though, that there is no discussion. You have posted your claims, supported by 
various opinion cites, and that is that. Rinse and repeat.

Does that really work in sci.physics or comp.os.linux.advocacy? 

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#172598

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-09 15:16 +0000
Message-ID<fo29a6Fkd61U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#172576
max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
> In news:fo19ubFehauU1@mid.individual.net,
> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
> 
>> On 6/8/18 11:13 PM, Scout wrote:
>>> "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message
>>> news:pffpgb$5bm$3@dont-email.me...
>>>> In news:fo15klFcgkoU3@mid.individual.net,
>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>>>> On 6/8/18 10:02 PM, max headroom wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>> All of it... because you can't.
> 
>>>>>>> Pick your favorite part. Or where you think you make the best
>>>>>>> point. It gets tiring rehashing the same long list of things.
> 
>>>>>> My favorite part was when Scout blew your "new interpretation in
>>>>>> 2008" lie out of the water!
> 
>>>>> The Heller case is pretty easy to reference, and is the first time
>>>>> the new interpretation was offered by the SCOTUS....
> 
>>>> Yeah, that's the one!
> 
>>> Have you noticed how the responses have little to actually do with
>>> what is actually being replied to other than referencing a few
>>> specific keywords.
> 
>>> But have fun with that programmed merry-go-round.
> 
>>> I smacked down it's lies for the lurkers, if any, and moved on.
> 
>> At this point there is no real discussion. I was asked to back the
>> following points. I did. There was no real counter ...
> 
> That you would acknowledge, much less try to refute.
> 
> You are correct, though, that there is no discussion. You have posted
> your claims, supported by 
> various opinion cites, and that is that. Rinse and repeat.
> 
> Does that really work in sci.physics or comp.os.linux.advocacy? 
> 
> 
> 

Why would you call research and historical fact opinion?

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#172600

From"max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
Date2018-06-09 08:28 -0700
Message-ID<pfgrpc$7p5$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#172598
In news:fo29a6Fkd61U1@mid.individual.net,
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:

> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
>> In news:fo19ubFehauU1@mid.individual.net,
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>> On 6/8/18 11:13 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>> "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:pffpgb$5bm$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>> In news:fo15klFcgkoU3@mid.individual.net,
>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>>>>> On 6/8/18 10:02 PM, max headroom wrote:

>>>>>>>>> All of it... because you can't.

>>>>>>>> Pick your favorite part. Or where you think you make the best
>>>>>>>> point. It gets tiring rehashing the same long list of things.

>>>>>>> My favorite part was when Scout blew your "new interpretation in
>>>>>>> 2008" lie out of the water!

>>>>>> The Heller case is pretty easy to reference, and is the first
>>>>>> time the new interpretation was offered by the SCOTUS....

>>>>> Yeah, that's the one!

>>>> Have you noticed how the responses have little to actually do with
>>>> what is actually being replied to other than referencing a few
>>>> specific keywords.

>>>> But have fun with that programmed merry-go-round.

>>>> I smacked down it's lies for the lurkers, if any, and moved on.

>>> At this point there is no real discussion. I was asked to back the
>>> following points. I did. There was no real counter ...

>> That you would acknowledge, much less try to refute.

>> You are correct, though, that there is no discussion. You have posted your claims, supported by
>> various opinion cites, and that is that. Rinse and repeat.

>> Does that really work in sci.physics or comp.os.linux.advocacy?

> Why would you call research and historical fact opinion?

Why do you ignore the Supreme Court's analysis of the history in the Miller decision and the Heller
decision, and the 1982 report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution to the Senate Judiciary
Committee? 

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